“Just because you’ve suffered, doesn’t mean you’re right”
@SNAAAAAKE92 Жыл бұрын
That stupid ass trope is just for emo teens who say stupid shit about society then say “ but it’s because people don’t like me “ STFU , nobody will like you for that exact reason
@JonSho9829 Жыл бұрын
Who said that?
@Monkeybashplush Жыл бұрын
@@JonSho9829 He did
@SNAAAAAKE92 Жыл бұрын
@@Monkeybashplush nah but some annoying emo kid at school said that
@CoOlKyUbI96 Жыл бұрын
I feel like this is also the same kind of argument for when some villains are just fleshed out in general. It doesn’t even have to only be about trauma necessarily. Just because a villain may have a lot of character development, it doesn’t automatically mean they’re not a villain
@liamloudermilk2294 Жыл бұрын
The fact that Killmonger tried to incite a war after becoming king rather than use Wakanda's immense resources to help those in poverty (like where he grew up) should tell you everything you need to know about his true priorities.
@mackenziegivens6061 Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of that resistance leader from the Last of Us. The one who tried to kill Henry?
@rawfermews4186 Жыл бұрын
War to END poverty
@jangpokemar3449 Жыл бұрын
@@rawfermews4186 War could never end poverty
@itsjustvin7630 Жыл бұрын
@@jangpokemar3449i think maybe that was a revengeance reference
@jangpokemar3449 Жыл бұрын
@@itsjustvin7630 No in revengeance he's trying to start a war to completely wipes the slate clean not to end poverty
@zazendom977 Жыл бұрын
That's why Jiraiya is King. Ill carry his lessons thru life. "Just because we've experienced pain isn't an excuse to perpetuate it. In fact, it's a reason to do better."
@azuria6565 Жыл бұрын
You just reminded me to rewatch Naruto again.
@defiantspirit8512 Жыл бұрын
the cycle of hatred must be ended somehow
@ultimatebishoujo299 ай бұрын
So true
@Lumberjack_king9 ай бұрын
Thats such a good quote
@All-mightssecretlovechild8 ай бұрын
Jiraiya was the goat🔥🔥 RIP pervy sage 😔😔
@kennethforman5265 Жыл бұрын
"cool motive, still murder" brooklyn 99
@honeytree5419 Жыл бұрын
9-9!
@ManiacMarchant Жыл бұрын
9!9!
@ssjdarkdrakus5291 Жыл бұрын
9-9!!!!!
@Nerdyshitaddict Жыл бұрын
Nine nine!!!!!!!!- Terry
@Unknown-gj7yp Жыл бұрын
NINE NINE
@justsomenumpty Жыл бұрын
“Just because someone has past trauma does not mean they get to do horrible shit!” Is something a LOT of people need to hear these days tbh
@uvl.g5611 Жыл бұрын
Sadly your 100% right.
@zockingtroller7788 Жыл бұрын
And for those that disagree, Two words: Adolf Hitler
@Korihiji-icefire Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!!!!
@austinjeffries5741 Жыл бұрын
But it doesn't not mean that as well
@painvillegaming4119 Жыл бұрын
@@austinjeffries5741 what ?
@MrAdamloring1985 Жыл бұрын
A girl told me that Kilmonger was just fighting for civil rights. I was like, “trying to steal advanced tech to kill a bunch of people isn’t fighting for civil rights.”
@metalhead5204 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@nunyabidnes6010 Жыл бұрын
Nah. Killmonger did nothing wrong.
@MaxxdOut313 Жыл бұрын
I'm late, but how else could he fight?
@ErikratKhandnalie Жыл бұрын
I mean, how not? If people are willing to fight to keep you deprived of your rights, why shouldn't you also fight to have them? If a fight is serious, people are usually going to die along the way.
@kojoattah3987 Жыл бұрын
Yeah it's strange😂
@TheWraithOfMooCow Жыл бұрын
"You think you're entitled to everything just because you've suffered, but suffering isn't enough. You can't just be strong, you have to be smart. You can't just be deserving, you have to be worthy. But all you have ever been is a *BLOODY MIGRAINE!*" -Watts, RWBY Volume 8
@Kashi_Mochibean Жыл бұрын
Spoiler; 😔 The show that only kills off the good villains. RIP Roman Torchwick
@JamesSchulte Жыл бұрын
One of the only good moments of that volume
@heh5863 Жыл бұрын
The only wonderful monologue from the series
@cakeday4058 Жыл бұрын
Bro was the only good villain. Cinder out here crying like she didn’t just murder 10k+ people 😂✋🏽
@epsyblue7714 Жыл бұрын
Cinder: Had a bad childhood. Became a power stealing nut with a complex. Adam: Abused and branded by humans. Became a terrorist who kills anyone that gets in his way. Salem: Lost her lover and cursed with immortality. Became a manipulative omnicidal witch and the closest thing to the devil. The Brothers: Sees Salem tricked a bunch of humans to kill them. Kills everyone, abandons Remnant and breaks the moon.
@Pluveus Жыл бұрын
Dabi is even worse, because when Endeavor and his wife understood that Dabi's flames would kill him, they tried to make him stop. In fact, the trauma from having him burn himself up is probably a good portion of why Endeavor was emotionally distant from the whole family in addition to being abusive.
@kannan077 ай бұрын
Exactly, It's an actual plot point That the entire reason endeavor had more kids was to discourage touya Endeavor and rei definitely could have handled it much better But endeavor never abused dabi,infact touya trying to kill shoto is what led to the abused shoto had to face and him being seperated from the other kids
@togucvinw76 ай бұрын
@@kannan07but somehow people spin the narrative that Endeavor abuse towards his children was psychological, and somehow was way way worse than any physical stuff he could have done (for real if you didn’t watch My hero and stumbled upon those haters in forums you would think Endeavor graped his wife and kids on the daily seeing as how he is vilified).
@kannan076 ай бұрын
@@togucvinw7 those people are basically the IRL natsu Manipulated by unjustified hate lmfao,like how touya basically manipulated natsu into hating endeavor Like,what endeavor did to shoto is definitely not justified But the way people put is so fvcking wrong and villianising(idk if that's a word) foor no reason
@Portal-ht3ub2 ай бұрын
@@togucvinw7 ong. People talking about how dabi needs a hug because the whole family abused him. Here I'm thinking, did we even read the same manga? A person acknowledged this on tumblr and reddit, WITH MANGA PANELS AS EVIDENCE, yet people still insisted endeavor never cared about his family at all. him buying a separate house for his family, sending his wife flowers, and being more concerned for her well-being than his own when she visited him wasn't enough to convince these people. All this while people stan worser fathers in anime because they look like young kpop idols.
@DLCDALLAS19 күн бұрын
@@kannan07 finally someone says it
@shadowki5687 Жыл бұрын
it really brings the point home when Dabi straight up *admits* he knows what he's doing is wrong...he just doesn't care.
@theoneglorylucky3071 Жыл бұрын
Why would he care if the society basically worship his father as god in all but name (second to only allmight) ?? I wont say that shit he did is right but he does care for something .Just not the world as a whole
@tanaka173 Жыл бұрын
@@theoneglorylucky3071 Sure he cares for something but it's inexcusable because of how he acts. If Dabi only killed purely for the mission he'd still be wrong but significantly less so. The moment he kills people basically because it's fun to him is where you can pretty much throw the whole misunderstood angle away
@theoneglorylucky3071 Жыл бұрын
@@tanaka173 i wouldnt say he is misunderstood .You can empathize with him yes but he is undeniably a horrible person .
@shadowki5687 Жыл бұрын
@@theoneglorylucky3071 it's mostly because endeavor never went public about his abuse & how he basically only had his family for a petty reason. kid Touya straight up called his mom a "whore" purchased only for endeavor's dream
@theoneglorylucky3071 Жыл бұрын
@@shadowki5687 dude he has his father basically try to live by proxy with him as a substitute .Combining with the fact that he admiring his father and like every child would do .He try to copy him .He would be viewing his mother as an air at best and a breeding mare at worst base on his father attitude toward her .
@ImJustCartelius Жыл бұрын
“My parents don’t like me so I decided to destroy the world”🤡
@360sammyinplacestaywavy2 Жыл бұрын
that not cap
@tommymoodie2157 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like the perfect villain for Amazing Spiderman 3.
@euniceacquah1969 Жыл бұрын
Agree cap
@BIGFRANKOL75 Жыл бұрын
Are you talking Tony Stark before he became Ironman? He did not care about anyone but himself. Not even about his close friend Rhody. He was making weapons of mass destruction, and having a great time living it up. Thor was the same way. Just justifing his acts to feed his own ego and grow his fame. Oden says as much.
@jfoster8624 Жыл бұрын
@@BIGFRANKOL75 Thor is a warrior and was raised by Odin lol he literally raised Three bad kids and luckily saved Thor before he when too far like Hela or Loki
@minitaur8693 Жыл бұрын
And then on the other side of the villain spectrum you got Doofenschmirtz.
@AghoginOritsetsemaye-vr2ls7 ай бұрын
Na if doof became a true villain I would've supported him
@dantesparrow99036 ай бұрын
@@AghoginOritsetsemaye-vr2ls Doof has enough reason to become a true a villain but he doesn’t
@JackLeblanc-ec6bt2 ай бұрын
he is just a goofy villain for proof he talk with platypus like you with a old friend
@myeeeeeh4 күн бұрын
And on the opposite, you have 2D Doof who became a villain because he lost his toy train.
@CreepyConnor Жыл бұрын
A sympathetic villain doesn't make a morally right villain
@DeathMessenger1988 Жыл бұрын
More like having a trauma or bad childhood doesn't make you a likeable villain. I mean, take RWBY. Compare the amount of people that like Salem and Neopolitan. Most of these people will like them because there are genuinelly tragic backstories and traumas that, while not justifying them, makes you sympathize on some level or at very least comprehend WHY they're evil/insane. Compare that to the amount of people who like Cinder Fall, who was an abused child slave. Most of people who like Cinder are the "Wow, she's HAWT" or "YAY, gIrL pOwEr", and use the cliché backstory to pretend she's suddenly well-written. Salem's insanity is comprehensible and justified because her origin story is the story of every woman who ever got their lives destroyed by a god in Greek Mythology. Cinder Fall is an edgy, poorly-written Azula expy.
@scientistsupreme521110 ай бұрын
I like tragic characters who don't justify their actions by tragedy and just do their own shit like Able from SCP. The dude was screwed by his brother,the scarlet king, and the daevites yet never let it define ot justify his fucked up actions dude just killed and murdered with a code of honour.
@RJLiams9 ай бұрын
@@DeathMessenger1988 "Salem's insanity is comprehensible and justified because her origin story is the story of every woman who ever got their lives destroyed by a god in Greek Mythology." WHAT?! All her problems are 100% her own damn fault. She was told no. Went behind one God's back to get what she wants. Got caught lying and was punished for it. Actively tried to get the God's killed by the rest of humanity. Then got punished even harder.
@citrine_22488 ай бұрын
@@RJLiams I mean come on though. All she wanted was her boyfriend, the person who saved her from her oppressive father who locked her in a tower, back and was told bringing ONE person back would throw off the “balance”. It’s not like he died of natural causes either, he just got sick. Who wouldn’t be pissed? Not to mention they still brought him back later only to plot against her. Imagine starting a war to destroy the creatures who denied you happiness, they kill everyone but you, and sentence you to walk the world alone for centuries. After all that strife the gods caused over ONE person, they end up bringing him back anyway, only to have him stand against her when all she ever wanted was to see him again. How would you feel?
@ashhabimran2398 ай бұрын
Tell that to Attack on Titan fans, they’d LOSE it
@SavantPete Жыл бұрын
I remember someone said something along the lines of, "Heroes go through trauma, and want to protect everyone so that they don't experience that trauma. Villains go through trauma, and want the whole world to experience their trauma so they can be understood"
@Magnet_Chaos Жыл бұрын
Sometimes. Soemtimes villain go trough trauma and also want to protrct everyone from expereince that trauma. Is that their methods are just extremly questionable. For example in one of the Fate series the villain plan want to get rid of human desire. In his mind if humans have no ambition World Peace could be accomplish.
@theoneglorylucky3071 Жыл бұрын
I mean with the world that is cruel as mha ,can you really blame them for hitting back?
@SavantPete Жыл бұрын
@@theoneglorylucky3071 They do got a point. But some villains killed innocent people for no reason. Like in the World Mission movie
@theoneglorylucky3071 Жыл бұрын
@@SavantPete its us vs them mentality .Which stem from the fact that most people turn a blind eye on the cruelty that occur .Make them complicit in the eyes of the victim .Thus they become one of the enemy.Hell they usually join in too if anything
@starhammer5247 Жыл бұрын
@@Magnet_Chaos Shirou Tokisada Amakusa. Guy had a point, but his method was stupid. I already came up with about ten other solutions to get a better result for the people while achieving exactly what he wanted.
@LostVibes77 Жыл бұрын
I love the idea killmonger being the imbodment of if a village rejects a child he will burn it down to feel its warmth... but he did have a god complex still one of my favorites tho
@robertcorley5225 Жыл бұрын
Good characters don't have to good people; in the same vein, just because you like a character doesn't mean they have to be a good person. A lot of people want to humanize villains because they don't want to like the bad guy
@firestrikerii810Ай бұрын
no.
@firestrikerii810Ай бұрын
No
@TheDeathmail Жыл бұрын
It's because the moment we find sympathy or a good point about a villain, we cling to it. On the other hand, if a good person shows a problem, we can hate on them more.
@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686 Жыл бұрын
That doesn't really help the case. If anything, that's just more fucked up and wrong on both the long and short term
@ashhabimran2398 ай бұрын
Hating on a hero for their flaws vs loving a villain despite the horrible things they do I kinda understand it but not necessarily agree with it. It’s because people prefer it (even me sometimes) when the main characters are easy to root for. But they can make a villain as nasty as they want, either their so evil you hate them, or they have some kind of entertaining charm to them
@anotherrandomguy88717 ай бұрын
I see this with Batman and his villains. People see Batman as someone who beats on the poor people, and see those mass-murdering villians as just that, poor people. Not just mass murders, corrupt assassins, killers, rapist, people that would sadistically kill you if you ever pulled that “your just misunderstood” talk on them.
@dantesparrow99034 ай бұрын
@@anotherrandomguy8871 it makes the argument that Batman beats on poor people even dumber when some of his enemies are literally rolling in money for example and honestly the easiest example The Penguin
@epkurnissheoway3 ай бұрын
@dantesparrow9903 you cannot tell me that batman in the video games didn't beat the ever loving fuck outta some poor random henchmen, like I get they did bad stuff but some of them just steal a car and get their entire skeletal system rearranged
@epsyblue77149 ай бұрын
Demon Slayer seem to handle this well. Tanjiro sympathize with the demons, but that doesn't stop him from doing his job and sending them to a not so nice place.
@zer0_iz_d34d6 ай бұрын
Tanjiro: omg that’s so sad nobody should have to go through that Guts: oh boo hoo, let me play you a song on the worlds smallest violin
@SolarBrain41286 ай бұрын
@@zer0_iz_d34d Yeah, after all Guts and his circle of friends and loved ones have been through, he has lost all fs to give. Any villain sob story sounds like petty bs to him.
@user-um1yl9pj1b3 ай бұрын
Guts definitely takes it.
@JDWalker495 Жыл бұрын
“Say it with your chest for the people in the Back Bro” Dabi was ready to murk Men, Women and children with no remorse what so ever even one’s that had nothing to do with him or his ‘cause’
@MChuck- Жыл бұрын
If he just went after abusive people then we could let it slide because it would've made sense
@kis4kasper Жыл бұрын
He don't even really care about the league like the other members do either, he's just using them as a means to an end. Literally zero redeeming character traits
@theoneglorylucky3071 Жыл бұрын
@@kis4kasper he does care .he just prefer to go do his own thing instead of being a team player .
@JDWalker495 Жыл бұрын
@@theoneglorylucky3071 he would’ve been the one to kill twice if hawks didn’t move him from the first fire blast
@thegreatguldo9956 Жыл бұрын
He's a psychopath who doesn't care about anyone but himself and would do anything to kill anyone and won't give any shits hell he even kill his entire family if he wanted.
@gramolapietro2491 Жыл бұрын
fucking finally, the hate endeavor gets while girls are too busy shipping dabi with other characters while calling him ''baby boy'' has me fuming
@TSH425 Жыл бұрын
U can hate both uk endeavor should be in jail and so should dabi
@olu550 Жыл бұрын
Let's not talk about the shippers because there's fanart of Mirko and Shigaraki going shopping with their toddler
@degeneratesupreme860 Жыл бұрын
@@olu550" *UH* " *runs away*
@Toshi-vu1hh Жыл бұрын
@@TSH425 I will never say that people need to not hate Endeavor or even lay off of him because he’s trying to do better, because the thing that finally made him realize he’s a pos is that he thinks he has to be like All Might since he’s taken his Number 1 spot, and only then does he reflect on his behavior. Only when he has to compare himself to a fucking paragon, does he think he’s done something bad.
@TSH425 Жыл бұрын
@@Toshi-vu1hh fr tho the only time he even thinks he did smth wrong is when he gets what he always wanted and that's cause he got it in a way he "didnt want" so he was fine with getting the num 1 spot by abusing his kids but not cause all might retires? Is this guy serious he rather abuse his kids than let all might retire and take his place that shits crazy to me
@felixbenitez61699 ай бұрын
People need to realise. Just because a villain have a good point it doesn't mean they are justified. Villains are villains in the first place. They are motivate by selfish desire, and they intetional harming others.
@MurasakiTsukimaru4 ай бұрын
Villain: "Racism bad!" Also villain: Attacking a hospital with full intent of killing everyone he comes across there.
@Derokon9 Жыл бұрын
“Everyone has a sob story, that doesn’t give you the right to be a jerk” -Sam larusso
@killermothxd4085 Жыл бұрын
LMFAO the irony because a jerk and uses Tory and cobra kais bad actions to defend her own at least those people had a sob story
@lebrondavis1420 Жыл бұрын
@@killermothxd4085 yeah sam and miyagi do was wrong for attacking cobra kai at the arcade first but they started that shit by causing trouble and messing with one of their own and tory and cobra kai then break into sams house afterwards and the place ends up trashed
@TheNativeEngine6 ай бұрын
I can't wait for the new season to come.
@firestrikerii810Ай бұрын
LeBron that is all false
@firestrikerii810Ай бұрын
Not true
@paradoxequinox4104 Жыл бұрын
Trauma can explain why your being a horrible person, but it absolutely does NOT and NEVER will excuse those actions.
@StealzSFX Жыл бұрын
While Dabi does bad things because of his backstory, at least he had a reason to do these things. BAKUGO ON THE OTHER HAND, will remain one of the most overrated characters. He had no reasoning to do the things he did. He literally suicide baited, bullied and abused Deku for OVER A DECADE AND PEOPLE STILL DEFEND HIM. People will shame endeavour for what he did to Dabi and Todoroki (and the family overall) but no one will shame Bakugo for attacking a quirkless person who couldn’t defend himself at all. Both cases are abuse.
@StealzSFX Жыл бұрын
People just shame endeavour cause he hurt todoroki. People only like him for his looks. Bakugo is only popular because of his looks. His personality is literally telling people to die 50% of the time he’s on screen. And then it’s either being cocky or abusive. That is one of the worst and most annoying personalities someone could have. Dabi’s actions aren’t justified but Bakugo should literally be suspended and never be able to be a hero again. (He attacked someone who he knew couldn’t fight back and told them to kill themselves simply because they didnt have a quirk which is something out of control.) If Deku decided to kill himself, he could’ve literally been responsible for a murder. If Deku didn’t try save him, Deku would’ve probably given up on his dreams and killed himself meaning he would be responsible for that. He’s lucky Deku did that. The worse part is, he shouted at Deku instead of saying thanks to him for trying to save his life. Ungrateful, annoying, overrated, hateful and unjustified.
@kanikagaral7637 Жыл бұрын
This... it is an explanation not a excuse for bad behavior. U dont get a free pass due to ur bad experiences. Lot of people in the world r suffering as much as u if not more. We understand why u a t like that but we cannot accept it and u should stop is what we should tell everyone.
@tobsonasanya4765 Жыл бұрын
@@StealzSFX I mean dabi is the one killing people not bakugo lol
@StealzSFX Жыл бұрын
@@tobsonasanya4765 yeah true. Like I said, Dabi is not justified for his actions
@kingteddieP4 Жыл бұрын
“I hate him because he’s abusive” “awww he’s so cute even though he’s murdering innocent people and even children😍”
@StephDLegend Жыл бұрын
Sounds like Anakin Skywalker
@willO1674 Жыл бұрын
@@StephDLegend "fuc* them kids" -Anakin on his way to murder youngling
@malcolmmabota8957 Жыл бұрын
Jeffrey Dahmer stans
@orioncrawford9618 Жыл бұрын
You got people kno the monster Jeffrey Dahmer was and still like him.
@machinaowl910 Жыл бұрын
Dabi is honestly worse than Endeavor. At least Endeavor KNOWS he can't make up for what he did, so he tries his best to be a hero regardless. Dabi kills people just because lol
@umbreonix Жыл бұрын
Dabi wasn’t even really abused. He was upset that he wasn’t daddy’s special prodigy anymore
@mei7495 Жыл бұрын
I mean he totally was but doesn’t justify anything.
@umbreonix Жыл бұрын
@@mei7495 he totally wasn’t. As a matter of fact, they were a happy little family until Dabi “died” and endeavor lost his shit.
@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686 Жыл бұрын
@@mei7495 no he wasn't. At most, just neglected and only after both Shoto was born and especially after he almost turned Shoto into baby barbeque
@RyanGP1203_MemeLord8 ай бұрын
@@mei7495 only shoto and rei were ever actually abused
@xzkilerymax83958 ай бұрын
@@umbreonixhe was abused neglect is still a form of abuse
@falafel2964 Жыл бұрын
Gives a whole new meaning to "Just because you're correct, doesn't mean you're right."
@liammercado1235 Жыл бұрын
We laugh at Shirou but he had it right all along.
@firestrikerii810Ай бұрын
No
@raynmakr40 Жыл бұрын
Dude did a great job of explaining the whole point behind Killmonger. Killmonger was clearly designed to be likable on a surface level, but I always felt his actions were meant to be proof of how truly evil and toxic he was.
@theVictor-isVonDoom Жыл бұрын
Exactly but ppl really walked away from that movie with "He's gonna treat them how they treated us" Like bruh it was wrong when they did it why dafaq would it be OK now that he's doing it??????
@raynmakr40 Жыл бұрын
@@theVictor-isVonDoom Yeh and he killed innocent people when he didn't have to. The movie made it clear that Killmonger did not value human life.
@Azulakayes Жыл бұрын
He was a bad guy and what if confirmed it. He couldn’t let go of his need to hurt and control others.
@maxxor-overworldhero6730 Жыл бұрын
I find it scary that people found him likable in the first place.
@TrillVilla5 Жыл бұрын
In all fairness he was trained to kill people. That was the whole point of all of those markings. Of course he was deranged but he was a great representation of a Black American. Black man because of his anger, American for his greed. Black folks related with the anger, no one seemed to acknowledge the American in him.
@aethan-dor102 Жыл бұрын
I actually realised that Dabi wasn't treated that badly. Endeavour realised pretty early on that Dabi was hurting himself, and tried to help him stop. Dabi was just obsessed with it. Much more obsessed than even his father. Endeavour tried to actually protect Dabi, even before Todoroki was born.
@marhan1332 Жыл бұрын
Finally someone gets it
@ScientObject40 Жыл бұрын
That's what I'm saying.
@hirahiro2331 Жыл бұрын
Todoroki is the the family last name.
@grandmasterventi7952 Жыл бұрын
Finally some people who has the same thoughts as I did.
@kingofgreed0737 Жыл бұрын
The way I see it is that endeavor thought that toya was good enough to become number 1 and the both of them were happy but when endeavor found out toya was hurting himself far worse than he thought from using his quirk he tried constantly to stop toya but he just wouldn’t stop and mixed with his obsession to beat all might with endeavor’s care for Toya’s safety endeavor thought the only way to get Toya to stop was by staying away from him and making shoto but Toya inherited endeavor’s obsessive personality trait that caused the problem if both endeavor and Toya got some counseling to help them deal with their issues it could have helped to prevent what happened
@ShiKageMaru10 ай бұрын
People forget how casually killmonger betrayed and murdered his girl. He's not loyal to anyone but himself.
@MurasakiTsukimaru4 ай бұрын
Yep. Showed her plenty of affection but the moment she became inconvenient, he shot her himself.
@KevinMcLean4 ай бұрын
You are so right because I literally never think of that lol
@spartan03283 ай бұрын
How do people ignore that scene, come on this guy is straight evil manipulative psychopath
@lulueater9774Ай бұрын
Bros 1 step away from becoming Makarov 💀
@jabbah711510 ай бұрын
I always say: "That was your reason. That is not your excuse."
@sagemaster1357 Жыл бұрын
It's so surprising because Naruto and killer B had almost every right to be villains or destroy the village but they chose to live with that pain and neglect.
@markey412 Жыл бұрын
That's why I'll pick Naruto over Sasuke any day of the week.
@sagemaster1357 Жыл бұрын
@@markey412 But for I pick Sasuke just for his cool moments. I still like Naruto though.
@markey412 Жыл бұрын
@@sagemaster1357 I get it. But Sasuke's a glorified F-Boy.
@maadtee6281 Жыл бұрын
Basically every jinchuriki besides Gaara who was literally made to become who he was as genin could have turned into a villain. The mizukage was controlled behind the scenes
@lilylove925 Жыл бұрын
@@maadtee6281 didn’t some of them have good reputation?
@mikelv1 Жыл бұрын
Killmonger burning the heart shaped herbs just showed that he was all too willing to pull up the ladder once he made it to the top
@tatteredshield8120 Жыл бұрын
Oh shit I didn't even think about that
@maadtee6281 Жыл бұрын
And people think he should be king lol
@Lowtan Жыл бұрын
That's probably the ONLY thing he did wrong during that movie. Black Panthers are supposed to come and go. He wanted to be the last.
@thesupergamer5894 Жыл бұрын
@@Lowtan the ONLY thing? I don't see how you could watch that movie and think that burning the flowers was the only thing he did wrong...
@maadtee6281 Жыл бұрын
@@Lowtan and you think it was a good thing? Dude was about to start world War 3. He wants power
@iamcat1797 Жыл бұрын
Honestly I’m convinced that the only reason why people like the mha villains are because they’re kind of attractive.
@painvillegaming41199 ай бұрын
Have you seen that fanbase? That exactly why
@petite22767 ай бұрын
That's the sole reason actually. And honestly some of these villains ain't that cute, I'm thinking about Tomura and his ashy ahh.
@iamcat17977 ай бұрын
@@painvillegaming4119 I know right. And don’t get me started on those theories where all for one is deku dads. Which might bad on its own but now I see people acting like that makes it all ok because “YoU CaN’t cHoOsE YOur FaMiLy” because disown a family member definitely isn’t possible.
@MurasakiTsukimaru4 ай бұрын
@@iamcat1797Those people don't understand that "Blood is thicker than water" is actually "Blood of the covenant is thicker than water of the womb". Aka your family doesn't mean shit compared to the people you CHOOSE to be with.
@Spidercake542 ай бұрын
@@painvillegaming4119look another idiot that lets the bad 10% of the community speak for everyone else who enjoys the series
@loading...7862 Жыл бұрын
Just because John Wayne Gacy had an abusive father, didn't give him the right to become a serial killer.
@lebrondavis1420 Жыл бұрын
Or to sexually violate young boys either
@parkertulk7485 Жыл бұрын
I love the kind of villain who's just an absurdly evil bastard with a super tragic backstory, but then it's casually revealed they aren't even motivated or even affected by there tragic backstory, they're just insane.
@tunzlunz Жыл бұрын
Kingpin in Netflix’s Daredevil. Beautiful scene
@SolarBrain41286 ай бұрын
I think they did that with the villain in the second How to Train Your Dragon movie. Dragons killed his village, but he's been a dragon-enslaving raider for so long that he doesn't even dwell on his lost loved ones anymore. He's just doing what he does now for power.
@KaijuGal-rb9ek5 ай бұрын
Like Doflamingo?
@parkertulk74855 ай бұрын
@@KaijuGal-rb9ek Yall gonna hate me, but I've never seen one piece.
@KaijuGal-rb9ek5 ай бұрын
Its alright no one will hate you for that
@Somedumbasswithbadideas Жыл бұрын
"He's a psychopath with a- *loops*" A what? He's a psychopath with a what?!?
@kronoslastnamenotimportant492 Жыл бұрын
"With a god complex", im pretty sure that's what he says after.
@kronoslastnamenotimportant492 Жыл бұрын
Nevermind
@low-key-tony Жыл бұрын
With a pulse lol
@malcolmmabota8957 Жыл бұрын
Nah, in the tik tok, he says daddy issues
@djroscurro9859 Жыл бұрын
I thought he said “a psychopath with a fade” as a little joke at the end lol
@Dragonlord826 Жыл бұрын
Actually by far Dabi had it the best he was just desperate to prove to his dad he could handle his own fire. Bro is actually a self made villain cuz Endeavor even tried to stop him didn't put any pressure on him to be the strongest once he realized he couldn't handle his own fire.
@MurasakiTsukimaru4 ай бұрын
Even more so when his actual backstory comes out and his father tried stopping him before Fuyumi was born (possibly after her but before Natsuo), which would mean he was 4 or 5 at the oldest. Then spent the next 8-9 years burning himself despite his family trying to stop him (minus that time he tried to murder his infant brother)
@spencersholden Жыл бұрын
I half wanted Endeavor to say f*ck you and attack Dabi. Son or not he’s a murderer and no past justifies the murder of innocence.
@salamander8055 Жыл бұрын
Judging from the manga he's about to do that.
@gimmeyourrights8292 Жыл бұрын
Arcane fans be like: Jinx is an anti hero because of her trauma! Jinx's actions: -Committing friendly fire because she mistook an enemy for her sister. -Luring four cops into a burning building and then blowing them up. -Killing a bird. -Suicide Bombing her friend. -Kidnapping her sister's lover. -Tying up her sister and her father figure. -Killing her father figure. -Nuking the capital. Yeah......real anti-hero right here........
@negativezer0741 Жыл бұрын
I’m really glad to know that you disapproved the bird murder
@deangelosummers7717 Жыл бұрын
Isn’t piltover an elitist, oppressive city that basically thrives on Zauns suffering? I don’t feel bad for them. Hell, I don’t even feel bad for Vi or her girl. I feel bad for Ekko though. Having to fight someone you know you can’t save and who you still love is tragic.
@gimmeyourrights8292 Жыл бұрын
@@deangelosummers7717 Piltover is an elitist oppressive nation, yeah but at the same time, Jinx's actions only increase that elitism. Not stop it. It's like how a police force gets increased when there is more crime.
@gimmeyourrights8292 Жыл бұрын
@@deangelosummers7717 Also she nuked the capital right when Zaun was gonna be independent. Now she killed all chances of that happening.
@deangelosummers7717 Жыл бұрын
@@gimmeyourrights8292 I get your reasoning. It’s sound, but at the same time, to those at the lower end of the scale with nothing to lose, it wouldn’t make a difference. They were being policed heavily and disregarded already. What? A few more cops come into your city and create even more hostility between the two parties? At best that leads to more firelights(Except they’re against piltover now) and at worse another Jinx.
@MyAramil Жыл бұрын
I actually like it when the villain just wants to see shit explode, no ulterior motive, no wanting to rule the world. They just want to be evil.
@detectiveghost8856 Жыл бұрын
So Joker Batman Dark Knight.
@jfoster8624 Жыл бұрын
Carnage basically
@xprojectsa3627 Жыл бұрын
*Cough* Sundowner *Cough*
@Aqu1ls_Curr3nt Жыл бұрын
Basically carnage.
@painvillegaming4119 Жыл бұрын
Frieza
@BrocksJellyFilledDoughnuts Жыл бұрын
“B-but secky emo boy 🥺 I can change him.” Emily you can’t even change your drawls ☠️
@nezumixp67444 ай бұрын
LMAO 😂💀😂
@kiaheat19202 күн бұрын
💀💀💀💀
@jonathangordon9911 Жыл бұрын
Being a sympathetic villain doesn't make them any less of a villain. They're still butchering people and making the wrong decisions on the end.
@StephenDurnan Жыл бұрын
"I had a bad dad so now I'll destroy an entire bloodline using my vampire abilities and gay priest 'friend' "
@christopherhanrahan1196 Жыл бұрын
Dio then proceeded to get killed by Said bloodline.
@thomasthecoolkid7228 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, Dio was a scumbag from the earliest point we've seen him chronologically. No even remotely good person kicks a dog full force and then fries that dog alive.
@MugenEclipse Жыл бұрын
I don't think anyone sees him as misunderstood, he's just a charismatic, intelligent mad man who delights in the shit he does. If someone *actually* says he's misunderstood they haven't seen all of his appearances in jojo
@apolloboeckmann6591 Жыл бұрын
@@MugenEclipse*any*
@boiledrat11 ай бұрын
dio was a menace from the beginning to the end for no reason. he just wanted the smoke🤷🏽♀️😭
@Bate.v19 Жыл бұрын
Dio is the prime example, bro was given a second chance to be great and he wasn't satisfied with that. HE WANTED TO ELIMINATE AN ENTIRE BLOODLINE AND EVEN AFTER DYING HE BASICALLY GROOMED SOMEONE TO KILL THEM.
@gyroseedwagone7306 Жыл бұрын
spoilers for part 7: His pettiness also transends time and space, twice. IMO Deigo was a better person overall than DIO, which doesn't say much, but Deigo from another World was just actual cowboy DIO that readers would suspect Scary Monsters Deigo to be.
@muffinboi4134 Жыл бұрын
People sympathize with Dio?
@irregulargamer1352 Жыл бұрын
@@muffinboi4134 bo one sympathizes with dio. He was a bastard all the way through
@Bate.v19 Жыл бұрын
@@muffinboi4134 you wouldn't believe it
@Bate.v19 Жыл бұрын
@@gyroseedwagone7306 I've read part 7 and let me say that him deciding to help Johnny is a W
@jasondphoenix Жыл бұрын
Animes :"wait till we redeem them after killing thousands in a brutal way."
@painvillegaming41199 ай бұрын
The only character that did it well is vegeta in my opinion and that mostly cause man knows he can't be redeemed
@user-og8jy1ib7f9 ай бұрын
Sasuke: Becomes a terrorist by trying to kill the World Leaders, Commit war crimes, and killed a whole lot of people. Forgiven with the Talk-no-Justu.
@painvillegaming41199 ай бұрын
@@user-og8jy1ib7f people really dislike sasuke
@joshuaagbettor56109 ай бұрын
@user-og8jy1ib7f Yh, that shit was horrid. And the worst part is people love Itachi whilst hating Sasuke, similar to the Dabi/Endeavour relationship, just flipped on it's head.
@painvillegaming41199 ай бұрын
@@joshuaagbettor5610 yeah because Itachi was selfless
@coolbrickz65710 ай бұрын
Rocket: Everybody has dead people, that’s no excuse to get everyone kill the way.
@Kozkayn Жыл бұрын
I feel like this is because writing an ACTUALLY misunderstood villain is really hard. The difference is that the actually misunderstood villain has a point which, when events are viewed from their point of view, explain their actions and make them make sense While the "misunderstood" villain has a sad backstory/motive that makes you feel sorry for them or make you think they have a point, that still doesn't excuse their actions
@nnightkingj Жыл бұрын
I think a perfect example of a misunderstood villian is Bondrewd from made in abyss if you’re aware of that anime
@CoOlKyUbI96 Жыл бұрын
I personally disagree. I don’t think it’s that hard to write a misunderstood villain. What I think is actually the hard part is when fans or other individuals self insert their own intentions onto the character. It’s as if some people think they know more about the character than the creator(s) themselves
@AndresHernandez-yk5im Жыл бұрын
The perfect character is Dracula from Castlevania. He did what he did because religious zealots killed his innocent wife. And even after giving them a full year to make up for what they did, they instead celebrate her death. Even a DEMON going into a church abandoned by God tells the Priest that God never wanted that for that woman. And the Priest only killed her because she threatened his power, not because she was witch.
@bthsr7113 Жыл бұрын
@@AndresHernandez-yk5im And Dracula was still grossly out of line.
@facundomontivero2299 Жыл бұрын
@@CoOlKyUbI96 Holy shit. That's exactly it. I bet every Dabi stan had an abusive parent and they self insert themselves into Dabi, and their abusive parents into Endeavor.
@OpenBiolabsGuy Жыл бұрын
People want sympathetic villains, but never learned that just because someone has a justification it doesn’t mean that they are just.
@mackenziegivens6061 Жыл бұрын
I just watched a video about that Adult Swim short "Opal", and this quote from it pretty much sums up this kind of "you all need to suffer for what happened to me" mindset: "Our adversaries are in denial. They don't know the wrong that they do. And they never repent how I want them too."
@blessedphoenix62293 ай бұрын
Count Olaf from A series of unfortunate events (the books, not the movie) is anothwr good example. He did too much without remorse, and they expected us to feel bad for him at the end. At least in the movie, they stuck with the pure evil route, which was one of the few things they did right
@Just_normal_youtube_channel Жыл бұрын
“You can spin it, ride it, deny it, and justify it.” Man was spittin pure fire.
@kennedylemon5837 Жыл бұрын
“My bunny died, so I violated all of hell” Seems reasonable for a villain backstory
@jackmakila3776 Жыл бұрын
Weird way to spell heros backstory
@kennedylemon5837 Жыл бұрын
@@jackmakila3776 my bad
@Bt-dr2ch Жыл бұрын
My boy spelt out doomguys backstory
@monsieur917 Жыл бұрын
What do you mean "violated" 😟
@JetWarrior Жыл бұрын
An entire multi-million dollar video game franchise in a single sentence.
@reina_harhar7815 Жыл бұрын
This is also realizing that Endeavor didn't even treat Dabi badly if you compare it both emotionally and mentally to his siblings. Endeavor acted because Dabi was obsessed and was hurting himself, he wanted that pain.
@Shadow30. Жыл бұрын
Endeavor family gone to shit after dabi "died"
@krieggfn3896 Жыл бұрын
It's better to break the cycle of trauma than to become the trauma.
@SNAAAAAKE92 Жыл бұрын
Same , I hate the whole “ he just misunderstood “ shit , I mean you mightest well apply that to real life people huh, that’s right. You can’t because It doesn’t make sense
@gramolapietro2491 Жыл бұрын
I need to remond you that there are living being who use the word misunderstood for serial killers
@ZhuLeeDTT Жыл бұрын
Might as* not mightest
@bread2039 Жыл бұрын
@@gramolapietro2491 literally hitler, oH i WaSnT aCcEpTeD tO aRt ScHoOl, kIlLiNg SpReE tImE
@AugustoEL Жыл бұрын
"BUt tHeY aR qIuTEeE" idiotic people that defend psychos. And yeah they do it with real life people, look up there is crazy people (mainly girls) defending and sayong how cute serial killers or school shooters were, hell a few years back there was a case like that.
@SNAAAAAKE92 Жыл бұрын
@@AugustoEL THE FUCK
@benderthepirate Жыл бұрын
It’s even worse when movies/shows expect the audience to sympathize with villains who commit genocide and mass murder and every horrible crime imaginable, but when the bully Chad gives a wedgie to the mc he’s beyond redemption.
@theoneglorylucky3071 Жыл бұрын
I dont it is only a wedgie tbh
@marygraceoyangorin8918 Жыл бұрын
*gets reminded by miraculous ladybug*
@tobsonasanya4765 Жыл бұрын
@@marygraceoyangorin8918 nah
@tobsonasanya47659 ай бұрын
Like what
@rhondahoward80252 ай бұрын
Literally Steven Universe. Diamonds: Zzzzz Kevin: REEEEE!
@heyitstheblackguy9 ай бұрын
Killmonger had the intellect maturity and ability to do better there is no pass when you know your actions are wrong.
@SilverFoxSpirit97 Жыл бұрын
Bro, YES. I'm sick of people trying to non-ironically say that evil characters are "baby" just because some bad shit happened to them. Like, I genuinely believe that there's a decent number of villains in the league that are arguably can't be held fully accountable for their actions. Do they need to be stopped? Yes. Are they doing bad shit? Absolutely. But they need mental health care more than they need jail. But Dabi!?! So for example, Toga and Twice are straight up insane. Twice fell on hard times and ended up a criminal, then he had the mother of all existential crisis', watched hundreds of versions of himself murder each other, and now he genuinely doesn't even know if he's real or not. That is mad fucked up. He only really joined the league because they accepted him as he was. Toga actually genuinely believes she is friends with Uraraka and Tsuyu. She really thinks that slicing someone up and drinking their blood is an acceptable form of affection. She cannot tell the difference between reality and her fantasies. That is the textbook DEFINITION of insanity. Society abandoned for being born different and now she exists however she can. Even Shigaraki was abused by his bio father, accidentally murdered his entire family, and was abandoned by society as well. After all that, the person who took him in was a straight DEMON who groomed him from childhood to be his little villain puppet like jeezus. But Dabi? Dabi is completely sane and aware of his actions. He chose to be evil. He doesn't care about how many people he hurts as he tries to take his revenge. In fact, he revels in people's pain. As sad as it is, plenty of people go through horrific and tragic experiences, that isn't an excuse to go around murdering people!
@cool23819 Жыл бұрын
Lowkey kinda wish Todoroki said "it's your quirk not his" in his fight with Dabi as he was pushing the blame on Endeavor for everything. For Deku to Todoroki it was "it's your quirk not his, you are free to use it to it's full extent." But from Todoroki to Dabi it would mean "it's your quirk not his, you're the one who used it to harm others and now you need to pay the price."
@AugustoEL Жыл бұрын
Yeah but then again Dabi is so deep in his twisted sence of making things even that he would not care he is too far gone
@cool23819 Жыл бұрын
@@AugustoEL it's less to get through to him and more so for thematics
@AugustoEL Жыл бұрын
@@cool23819 Well thematically it would have been really good actually, can`t desagree there.
@1999bazz Жыл бұрын
Didn't he say that tho? Maybe not word for word but, he did.
@absolutetr4sh551 Жыл бұрын
Didn’t Deku actually say that shit? Bro was wiped out on the ground but I coulda sworn he said something in Endeavor’s defense
@markey412 Жыл бұрын
This was is probably why Zuko is a great character. Like yeah his life sucked, but he never got a free pass to be a dick. Even when he wanted to join the Gaang, he had to earn their trust.
@RiverSprite30 Жыл бұрын
I'm realizing this more and more as I'm getting older. I understand that giving the villain a backstory not only allows writers to revive a film/series/character and build off of an interesting platform, and it does give interesting stories and interesting perspectives because it makes you think. But you are correct, in that, in the long run, it's going to do more damage than good, and only give children an excuse to act a fool. I loved maleficent, I thought it was a very visually beautiful movie, and I love anything that has a good story about fairies, but at the end of the day, she cursed a newborn baby. Seriously.
@ashhabimran2398 ай бұрын
Villain backstories are there to add layers and depth to characters. Doesn’t have to justify what they do, but it does make things interesting at the end of the day
@FlashQuatsch Жыл бұрын
I feel Kung Fu Panda tackles this subject perfectly. Tai Lung grew up prideful because of Shifu. He even made Shifu face his mistakes in a painful way, yet he wasn't redeemed because no matter what, he still hurt a lot of people and got punished for it.
@salamander8055 Жыл бұрын
20 years in prison over a blank paper. That's rough.
@FOF275 Жыл бұрын
People just struggle to understand nuance in a lotta areas. Having a hard time doesn't justify being evil
@zakbrooks7354 Жыл бұрын
It's honestly a great point in writing to make. Have a character with a tragic backstory that's just straight up evil to prove that no matter the circumstances, no matter your past, your actions are utterly and entirely your own
@Sn0wyChad Жыл бұрын
@@zakbrooks7354 just because a person actions are there own doesn't mean that they entirely wanted that or wanted to do that action
@zakbrooks7354 Жыл бұрын
@@Sn0wyChad you always have a choice. Doesn't matter what the circumstances are. You can either choose to be good or to be bad. Even if being good means that unfavorable things will happen. Doesn't mean it's sound logic, but the facts still remain
@doesntmatter2467 Жыл бұрын
This is true way too many people confuse sympathetic with not evil.
@painvillegaming4119 Жыл бұрын
@@doesntmatter2467 twitter
@gastrodonenjoyer999 Жыл бұрын
And Toga could literally snap a baby in half and eat it’s guts like spaghetti and people will still be saying “hEr PaReNtS wErE mEaN tO hEr!!”
@jordanbroussard802 Жыл бұрын
She'd get a pass because internet is horny.
@maadtee6281 Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure now they say she is a victim of her quirk. If only she was trained by Stain
@jfoster8624 Жыл бұрын
@@maadtee6281 her quirk isn't forcing her to kill people it's not like a vampire situation where she needs to consume blood she literally chooses to do it
@asemmel695 Жыл бұрын
@@jfoster8624 she is insane and I feel like people overlook that because of her past.
@maadtee6281 Жыл бұрын
@@jfoster8624 her quirk makes her seek blood hence her canine teeth. Just like shiggy quirk makes him want to destroy things
@Azulakayes Жыл бұрын
I watched what if for Killmonger, I called my sister up and was like "I told you Killmonger was a bad guy through and through". Felt so vindicated. So many people have tragic backgrounds but they don't rage against the world. Humanity means overcoming your own self, your background, your hurt, your hate, heal and then heal others. That's why we are here.
@spectraphantom5870 Жыл бұрын
I’m gonna say this every time someone tries to defend Harley Quinn
@anotherrandomguy88717 ай бұрын
People forgot that Harley enjoys killing and torturing people with joker. They only pay attention to the “she was abused/manipulated!” part of her as an excuse, and to ignore how she clearly will enjoy doing crime with the joker, she’s manipulative to see joker as misunderstood, not into thinking it’s ok to murder people, she knows right from wrong.
@spectraphantom58706 ай бұрын
@@anotherrandomguy8871THANK YOU!!!! PEOPLE BE FORGETTING SHE LOVED KILLING PEOPLE AND SOMETIMES JOKER DIDN’T EVEN TELL HER TO DO IT SHE DID IT BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO!!! SHE KILLED A WHOLE ORPHANAGE ALL BECAUSE JOKER BROKE UP WITH HER
@anotherrandomguy88716 ай бұрын
@@spectraphantom5870 I can bet you, you can tell people about how she blew up an orphanage, and people will still find a way to make Harley out to be innocent somehow. Unrelated, but I’ve went on a video before that went over the details of how Jokwr and Harley tortured Jason in the Arkam series, including allowing goons to SA him, and I still saw a thread talking about his Harley would never do this, and would instead if she knew about the SA, would try to help Jason, because it would somehow trigger her therapist side of her….even though she literally tortured the kid in the first place and has brutalized many kids before, but ok.
@dantesparrow99036 ай бұрын
@@anotherrandomguy8871 if I ever see anyone try to justify fuckin Arkhamverse Harley then their opinion isn’t worth shit then because how do you try to justify a psychopath especially that version of Harley
@coolbrickz6576 ай бұрын
At least sometimes she tries to redeem herself.
@nolifeconsolegamer Жыл бұрын
"I know he is a representation of black anger but he just does more harm to the black community than good" 👏 👏 👏 I BELIEVE that was the point.
@aaronnilestoussaint5672 Жыл бұрын
I mean he kinda doesn’t we see in BP2 white people want to steal and are willing to break laws to get things. And he had a point Wakanda sat back while wars and starving Africans died? And Wakanda couldn’t even offer food as aid not even technology? They are able to cure disease deemed incurable but they choice not to because they’re selfish? No killmonger had a point 1000%
@ArbiterofTruth Жыл бұрын
No. The point was to say "black man good, white man bad".
@dcsomething6460 Жыл бұрын
What? The villains are bad guys?! 🤯
@storysurgeon5922 Жыл бұрын
I wish, but you've got people (including the actor who played him) saying he's a neutral or Grey anti-hero instead of a straight up villain
@ancarwillis9060 Жыл бұрын
@@storysurgeon5922 he’s more Lawful evil than Neutral. He followed established ideas like rule of law, Justice, and tradition but without compassion. Technically the only two crimes he committed the entire movie was stealing back the museum pieces and of course killing his girlfriend. Everything else was by the book only he had malice in his heart, which I guess a lot of people relate to.
@1999bazz Жыл бұрын
Nothing made me laugh harder than when it was revealed that Dabi was a horrible sibling, after all the years fans spent gaslighting eachother into believing that he was a caring big brother lmao
@ironwraith852 Жыл бұрын
It's honestly kinda hilarious.
@JonesBasley9 ай бұрын
It's quite ironic, ain't it?
@rhondahoward80252 ай бұрын
Bro, not even Azula tried to smoke Zuko as soon as he came out the womb!
@axiliator19 Жыл бұрын
Helluva Boss fans: "Stella is in the right to hate Stolas, he cheated on her!" Throughout their entire loveless marriage, Stella had done nothing but constantly slander Stolas, the only thing that benefited her during this was the fact that she got to flex her status on social media. And not to mention that the only reason she was mad about him fucking Blitz was because it made the Goetia look bad.
@ryanh.6294 Жыл бұрын
Everyone deserves love, even those with horrible origins and pasts. But the moment people start hurting others, that’s when someone needs to step in and stop the whole thing.
@cronasan6931 Жыл бұрын
These tragic backstories for these types of characters are supposed to make you feel sad for them coming to this point & realise that the world can tend to make their own monsters & regret the circumstances that brought them to this point you should want to change them, redeem them not try to justify their means you should feel for why they got to this point not outright ignore horrible acts they make (but also you can just enjoy them for being well written characters too if ya want)
@duskgaming18 Жыл бұрын
This. Another good example from MHA is Shigaraki. Its easy to understand why he turned into a villain, cause his family was seriously abusive to him. His father regularly beat him, his mother just sat back and let it happened, and his sister was even willing to throw him under the damn bus when she got busted showing Shigaraki hero stuff, when she knew full well what was about to happen. On top of that, his Quirk is extremely destructive and manifested at the worst time, when he was having an emotion break down and hugging his dog for comfort. Buddy disintegrated his dog, then the rest of his family, as he didn't know what was happening until it was just him and his father left. Despite fully realizing he was the one disintegrating everything around him, Shigaraki chose having no family left, over only having the cunt of a father left over. We can see why he became a villain. But that still doesn't justify the potential hundreds of people he has Decayed over the years, and I wish people stopped trying to justify him, along with Dabi.
@cronasan6931 Жыл бұрын
@@duskgaming18 yea when I found that out it was technically a spoiler for me since I'm way behind on My Hero hell everything in this video was stuff I haven't caught up on so it was all spoilers lol but it made me wanna start MHA over again cuz holy hell I never expected Shigaraki to have such a compelling backstory it almost brought Mr to tears I think lots of peeps just misunderstand it's not supposed to make you believe there is justification for their actions but rather to realise what made them this way & feel for them maybe hope for redemption I know I always wish those fallen from grace to have that but that idea itself is subjective because it's all a case by case basis whether someone can be redeemed or even what is down right irredeemable but at the end of this all only character like this are complete & well written cuz humans don't do bad things for no reason they do it because bad things happened to them there's always a cause for the effect this is no different
@monsieur917 Жыл бұрын
@@cronasan6931 yes but some are just born down right evil Not every serial killer had a bad childhood or was touched as a child some just kill to kill
@cronasan6931 Жыл бұрын
@@monsieur917 that just ain't true what you should be saying is they're just messed up in the head that's the cause for their twisted way I don't care what people say there's no such thing as true evil sure they don't have good reason for what they do but it's usually cuz they're deranged in some way that simply wasn't possible to stop & there's only so much we can do in our lifespans to try & fix others sometimes it just was never in the cards to change or help people like that or they just don't want the help at all or both
@monsieur917 Жыл бұрын
@@cronasan6931 Yep I'm counting those people too
@Gordan1Freeman3 Жыл бұрын
They can have the saddest back story, and I can have the utmost pity for them, but there is a point where it goes from "Yeah, they just messed up cause of they past" to "Nah, this bitch straight evil"
@RIP-hd8ln Жыл бұрын
Just because someone has a horrible past does not give them a free pass to be a absolute asshole🤦🏾♂️ they're not misunderstood THEY'RE CRAZY 😭
@Jacquelinsane Жыл бұрын
So here’s the things: I feel sympathy for characters like Dabi, or Pink Diamond, who were in shitty situations but could’ve made better choices. I EMPATHISE with Twice, and Toga, and Spinner, who truly didn’t have a choice, who were truly only allowed to become villains.
@seandewar47 Жыл бұрын
Preach, this applies to ALL of the members of The League of Villains, they act as if they're misunderstood victims in an Unjust world. But in reality, they're just a bunch of selfish idiots who use their backstories and fucked up logic to justify their awful actions. That's how you know a story is good, when you hate a character as was intended and it doesn't come off as overbearing
@CoOlKyUbI96 Жыл бұрын
I just find it weird how some people act as it’s impossible to be sympathetic towards a character, but still acknowledge that they’re in the wrong and are indeed villains
@AndresHernandez-yk5im Жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree completely. Toga liked blood and liked the need to kill for it. Twice was already a most wanted villain Dabi was just psycho because his brother went through worse and he isn’t a villain
@TSH425 Жыл бұрын
@@AndresHernandez-yk5im tbf its debatable whether todaroki went through worse the worse todaroki got was getting beat up which prob happened to dani as well PLUS the fact when he uses his quirk he gets burnt by it the worse worse todaroki got was from his mother throwing hot water on him which is basically what endeavor did to dabi everytime he forced him to use his quirk
@AndresHernandez-yk5im Жыл бұрын
@@TSH425 also fair, but he still went through traumatic and abusivo events and he wants to be a hero, unlike Dabi who actively kills
@garlicamvs6235 Жыл бұрын
@@TSH425 bro have you read manga Dabi in really no way was forced to use his quirk at all
@mrflamram9966 Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad he talked about kill monger I thought I was going crazy when I thought he wasn't deserving of forgiveness and just wanted to hurt people when I first saw him
@uvl.g5611 Жыл бұрын
I had the same feeling.
@abrashio Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Killmonger is an outright villain. He has always wanted to burn down not only the world but Wakanda as well for sitting in the shadows and not doing anything. He is misguided rage personified. You can like him as a character but never forget he is a villain through and through. The MCU tries to make its villains sympathetic and possibly redeemable too often when sometimes that just isn't true. We felt Killmonger's pain but inside we knew he was wrong yet a sliver of our soul wanted it all to burn just like he did. Yo when we go talk about how they nerfed our boy Sam Wilson? They got him out here with out his avian telepathy from MC-616 and then they didn't even make him as smart as his MC-1610 counterpart.
@theunskilledshinigami7623 Жыл бұрын
It's been awhile since I've watched Black Panther but doesn't Killmonger kill his own girlfriend the moment she becomes inconvenient? Did people just forget about that?
@painvillegaming4119 Жыл бұрын
@@theunskilledshinigami7623 no he does Also don’t forget about him trying to start world war 3
@theunskilledshinigami7623 Жыл бұрын
@@painvillegaming4119 that at least was under the guise of arming the oppressed and fits under his charade of righteous anger at society. Him killing his girlfriend, a loyal ally, shows that the motivation he presents was never more than a masquerade hiding his truer and more selfish motives. He wanted vengeance for his abandonment and his father's death, any stated goal beyond that was a lie. He claimed to want want to raise black people up but killed a black woman who was loyal to his stated cause for no reason other than he was done with her. People like to say his motives were just and his methods were where he went wrong, but him killing her shows that there is a difference between his stated motivations and his real ones.
@AzathothTheTrueGod4 ай бұрын
Magneto is a good example. Who can’t sympathize with a Holocaust survivor? But the thousands if not millions of dead innocents don’t change that he’s evil.
@maysun37525 күн бұрын
In the comics, his human wife was holocaust survivor they had a human child together both died in a attack by some humans trying to kill magneto. I feel if they saw what he done especially to humans who didn’t hurt him they be ashamed of him.
@AzathothTheTrueGod5 күн бұрын
@@maysun3752 Exactly. He’s not “wrong” and some powers that be would have them penned in or collared. But Magneto made it way worse.
@jamessawyer250421 күн бұрын
Dabi especially kills me because out of ALL those kids he didn’t go through shit yet the others didn’t turn into monsters. He always had that inside him.
@Mrsmile-by3oi8 күн бұрын
True there was always something messed up in his head , I mean who the hell tries to kill his siblings just too make his dad life worst , that didn't end up in just todoroki he also targeted natzo. I never liked Dabi anyways I just wanted him to be dead, that gives to almost everybody in the league of villians. Toga legitimately just want a world where she can just kill people and no one would judge her for that , and people empathize with her because she's born that way. (When in reality the show doesn't give you any sigh of her being addicted to blood , she just think love is drinking blood , so killing people was optional.) There is someone you can feel bad for like Tomura who legitimately didn't have a choice in life at all , his whole existence was planed by another massive ashole. But still he needed to go because in the end of the day , victim or not you still killed people. I mean when would we stop letting our personal feelings control our sense of logic.
@mitcheltillman2461 Жыл бұрын
Thing is Endeavor didn’t even throw Dabi away he didn’t really become super abusive until AFTER the accident before he was more trying to keep Dabi from destroying himself and Dabi didn’t listen and it messes Endeavor up so bad he became super abusive and more obsessed with accomplishing his goal(possibly to make up for what he thinks happened to Touya) which makes sense some parents could have whole shifts in who they are after a child passes away
@DenSoua Жыл бұрын
Right? AND (Spoiler) *To willingly proceed in killing his younger brother (Shoto) when he was wildin out due him thinking that he was going to be replaced if he didn't accomplish much as his father processor. NOW THAT SAYS A LOT*
@zerosen1972 Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but his reaction to Touyas supposed death is to abuse his wife and son MORE? Yeah no. Dabi doesn't get any excuses for being a mass murderer but neither does Endeavor for being an abuser. He never got any sort of punishment besides learning his son became a villain. He doesn't get a pass. Toga is another example of this. Bitch could literally get a job at a blood bank and she chooses to kill people.
@aaronnilestoussaint5672 Жыл бұрын
Endeavor gets to much hate because most of MHA fans are girls 😂. Rei was useless and allowed Dabi to hurt himself multiple times. And I’m supposed to be mad at endeavor because after a long day of fighting crime he gets mad his wife can’t do simple basic shit?
@user-wb3qe6pv1u Жыл бұрын
@@aaronnilestoussaint5672 this some incel ass energy.
@bullymaguire6773 Жыл бұрын
@@user-wb3qe6pv1u I can Imagine his wife cooking a dinner that this asshat hates then he starts swinging. Lol
@Mrpumpkin-bl3nk Жыл бұрын
True after all there’s a fine line between “being broken” and down right becoming a sociopath
@machinaowl910 Жыл бұрын
Pet peeve of mine is when someone calls someone else with trauma "broken". Do people understand how it would feel for a person to think that they're "broken" in some way? People who have been through traumatic experiences aren't broken like some toy. They have just been through ordeals.
@cius2112 Жыл бұрын
@@machinaowl910 you're the one thinking of them as toys but ok
@quickgirl80 Жыл бұрын
I LOVE Endeavor!! 🔥 He owns his past & doesn’t want forgiveness, only to move forward with changed actions.
@joeswilleyiii7510 Жыл бұрын
“What if” really opened to my mind to how Killmonger is not just an asshole by circumstances. He truly is shitty
@tulin_enjoyer Жыл бұрын
I mean, I remember some guy who did some pretty bad stuff after not getting into the art school of his dreams, but he might've been just misunderstood.
@AndresHernandez-yk5im Жыл бұрын
lol prime example
@muntu1221 Жыл бұрын
@Balmug Hitler was still selling art because his dad convinced his rich buddies to buy it. Hitler still would've come off as an entitled ass if you played his story completely straight but changing the names.
@jasonfurumetarualkemisto5917 Жыл бұрын
@@muntu1221 There was a part where he was essentially homeless. And the fact he learned all the nations shit from his literally insane Town mayor. Who he only listened to cause he was homeless. Hitler is an evil person, but honestly without his involvement the same would have happened, to many contributing factors
@tulin_enjoyer Жыл бұрын
@@muntu1221 So he was a rich asshole? I can already see the teenage girls eating this story up.
@ironwraith852 Жыл бұрын
@@tulin_enjoyer My Mom sold me to (Hitler) to pay off her Debts?!?!?
@ArukiTsukaru Жыл бұрын
Exactly, this is why Endeavor went up in my opinion, because it's so rare having a hated character go through an actual redemption arc. Honestly, this might be my favorite part of the anime, bc other animes would have him say "sorry" and then everyone would forgive him in under five minutes.
@zionleach30016 ай бұрын
Facts. Im tired of people saying villains are to be admired. No, the writer jsut sucks. Villains are typically awful people. Regardless of background, they CHOSE to be villains.
@zer0_iz_d34d6 ай бұрын
Eh the writer isn’t wrong, tragic villains are a pretty common archetype for villains in stories, people just need to learn to stop sympathizing with them too much
@zionleach30016 ай бұрын
@@zer0_iz_d34d I meant how bad writers make the villain more interesting than the hero or make it clear that the villain is the bad guy. But the main character is either boring or unlikeable.
@GenshionСағат бұрын
I'm glad someone finally said it
@atrinoch7437 Жыл бұрын
Bro thank you for having this perspective on killmonger. Too many people put this character on a pedestal and totally miss the point that he was the bad guy!
@Lowtan Жыл бұрын
The "bad" guy that should have won. I'm on his side start to finish.
@sptflcrw8583 Жыл бұрын
@@Lowtan bruh
@rgama1173 Жыл бұрын
@@Lowtan you want to start a race war on a global scales?
@DigimontamerB Жыл бұрын
Writers need to remember the difference between having a sympathetic backstory versus *being* sympathetic.
@taurex7939 Жыл бұрын
You means fans. Ain’t the writers fault they are that good.
@DigimontamerB Жыл бұрын
@@taurex7939 no there's plenty of examples, especially these days, of writers who misunderstand this point. But yes there's also a major problem with the fans as well.
@jerelly9469 Жыл бұрын
I always said this, understandable and excusable are two different things, a person can have a sad backstory and I can can understand why they doing something, but that doesn’t justify the death of innocent people
@TD-ug4mg Жыл бұрын
Born out of society perpetually trying to reject personal responsibility. Ultimately that's what it all boils down to, it doesn't matter what happened in your past, you are responsible for how you react to the circumstances you are placed in. You are not some mindless child incapable of thinking for themselves.
@zuulmeister8409 Жыл бұрын
"You know, you're not entirely wrong. You just didn't need to be such an asshole about it."
@hirahiro2331 Жыл бұрын
Hellsing Ultimate Abridged
@yumatsukumo1096 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, I'm tired of villains and anti heroes getting away with murder just because they have a sad backstory
@Vortex-jc7fw Жыл бұрын
I honestly think it's worse when the hero saves the villain only for them to continue to kill more people
@detectiveghost8856 Жыл бұрын
@@Vortex-jc7fw I see what you're saying but there's 2 reasons why this usually must happen; 1) plain and simple reusing the villain without needed some resurrection arc so to put simple... Irl Money. 2) if the hero just decided to kill every villain they come across that can kill a lot of people... The the hero is no longer a hero, just at best, an antihero.
@maadtee6281 Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile Azula still a villain at the end. Wish they did that to Catra and Hordak
@jfoster8624 Жыл бұрын
@@maadtee6281 both of them just got weak ass "redemption arcs" and don't get me started on evil Lynn in masters of the universe
@AugustoEL Жыл бұрын
@@detectiveghost8856 sometimes they are not the ones that have to kill them, the hero goes out od their way to save the villan (yeah that enters in the first one) so it is not them choosing to kill all the villans, just letting karma deal with them or maybe some other criminal, why does the hero have to save the villan in a situation like that? Saving someone that does not take the 2° chance is stupid, I can accept not killing if your morals are like that but if your hand is not "pulling the triger" you did no wrong.
@carolinesalv Жыл бұрын
Someone said this ..that both the hero and the villain are broken by life but ultimately one chooses to let it shape them to fight for justice and the other to take revenge.
@emayaych Жыл бұрын
We have an unfortunate ability to make our bad moments into catastrophes and then convert them into someone else’s bad lifetime.
@DCPierrot48 Жыл бұрын
Dabi kills people Fans: why would Endeavor do this?
@warlock8593 Жыл бұрын
Killing is not something majority experiences due to obvious reasons. But Abuse is generally common, I guess Endeavour might have triggered the people who are abused reminding them about it. So, Even though Dabi is a merciless killer no one cares but Endeavour though, oh boy he got so much hate fandom that some people even issued death threats to the writer when he gave him a redemption arc.
@theoneglorylucky3071 Жыл бұрын
@@warlock8593 thats the thing .give endeavor redemption arc which make dabi and rei just simply nuts did not make sense .It prop enji up and make dabi look like a baby throwing tantrum .hori try to shift the blame as much as possible cos he cant have number 1 hero be evil .
@Tainted_Human Жыл бұрын
@@theoneglorylucky3071 You lack so much basic understanding it's insane.
@theoneglorylucky3071 Жыл бұрын
@@Tainted_Human sure sure
@Tainted_Human Жыл бұрын
@@theoneglorylucky3071 Enji has not been forgiven even in the current manga. ALL FOR ONE HIMSELF, literally the devil of the show, says he would know a thing about ruining lives. And Enji agrees he would. Enji has not been forgiven or excused of his sins you just can't grasp something that isn't shoved down your throat.
@ChazNatlo Жыл бұрын
From a character perspective, the general rule is "are the people you're taking your trauma out on the cause of said trauma? If not, you're probably not a good person."
@ChazNatlo Жыл бұрын
Phrasing allowing for wiggle room for heroes with a Batman/Spiderman esk backstory (though an argument could be made that the target of their trauma release is the victims they are protecting, working through things by attempting to prevent bad things from happening to others, rather than using their criminals as a replacement for the people that took away their loved ones.)
@pkphantom Жыл бұрын
Endeavor deserves more sympathy than Dabi imo. Because while yes, he did terrible shit, he owned the mistakes and changed
@maybetoby Жыл бұрын
They tell you Killmonger's goal in the movie. He destabilizes nations so they collapse. He was doing the same to Wakanda.
@8bitman188 Жыл бұрын
Of all the children endeavour had I think he treated Dabi the best like he genuinely didn't want Dabi to hurt him self and he wanted Dabi to actually be a child
@StephenKterror Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Same goes for Wanda/Scarlett Witch as well!
@PKR0CKIN Жыл бұрын
As someone who loves Scarlet Witch, thank you! I am not at all defending her actions, more so I am enjoying the very believable and relatable transition to full fledged villain She was fucked over, but she did everything to fix her life so so wrong Say what you will about Wandavision and Dr. Strange MoM, it got Wanda as a villain right!
@anotherrandomguy8871 Жыл бұрын
Some people simply her actions by saying “she just wants her kids back, she’s doing what any mother would do” yet she wasn’t a mother to begin with. I don’t think any wish-to-be-mother would just murder innocent people, including attempting to murder a child, attempting to murder a innocent mother, murdering a whole army because said army tried to defend the already mentioned child and also defend a evil book, and straight up murdering a father right after the father says that he has a family. Also didn’t Wanda murder Monica’s mother from another universe (capt marvel from the other universe)? There is still the Darkhold that you can still fault, even tho she was already aware that the book was evil In Wandavision when Agatha told her so and how the book works.
@thatweirdbwah_ Жыл бұрын
If wanda as truly evil, she would've just taken over the universe, as she was destined to do. She wasn't lying when she said she was being reasonable.
@PKR0CKIN Жыл бұрын
@@thatweirdbwah_ Reasonable is imprisonment of a city, threatening and attempting to kill a child, a mother, a group of people defending themselves, an established hero, trying to gain power from a clearly evil source, ect. Again, she’s an awesome evil villain with a good reason for being evil However, she is evil because at no point did she need to do ANY of that Proper mental health prioritization and self care and then simply using her reality warping abilities to JUST make her family, and she’d be a tragic hero It’s not for good storytelling, not at all, but it is the non evil way
@conserztasfia0078 Жыл бұрын
Literally applies with every single villain tbh People still justify loki's acts bcz ✨✨Odin was a bad father✨✨
@darkgachamaker573 Жыл бұрын
"Everyone's got dead people but that is no excuse to be a fucking dick!" Quote I remember that explains this to me
@ethanjaubert437Ай бұрын
"Just because you have suferred, doesn't mean others have to"