Cenk. You got owned dude. Sam destroyed your credibility. Hang it up bruh.

I think it's very racist how Sam Harris mops the floor with Cenk.

As a Historian, I do need to make some corrections regarding both Cenk's and Sam's remarks about the Middle Ages. Cenk in particular seems to have been greatly influenced by TV documentaries, which unfortunately depict Europe's Middle Ages as an extremely bleak, barbaric and bruel time. This is largely a modern spin, however, as Sam pointed out. Contrary to Cenk's assertion, Europe DID have libraries; many of them in fact. One of the largest and most famous medieval libraries was that of the monastery of St. Gallen in Switzerland. It still exists today and it can be visited (it's a really beautiful place). Medieval libraries were private but this was equally true for the ones found in the Arab world. Public libraries are a very recent phenomenon in world history. Europeans also founded universities as early as the 12th century. The late Middle Ages in particular were a time of great learning and innovation. To claim that all the Christians back then were fanatics is ludicrous. There was an entire class of clerics who were really pious but ALSO very interested in the natur al sciences, medicine, engineering etc.. Today we call them scholastics. Scholasticism was highly influential in the history of science and philosophy and the Renaissance likely wouldn't have been possible without it. The Middle Ages also weren't as cruel as is often believed today. For example medieval people did NOT burn anyone at the stake. There were no witch hunts. All of these events happened during Early Modern times (16th-18th c.). Even the inquisition didn't really get going until Early Modern times. This is important because something significant happened right at the end of the Middle Ages: the reformation. Contrary to popular belief, it was the Protestants, NOT the Roman Catholic Church, who harbored deeply sexist, anti-semitic and otherwise toxic beliefs. This actually makes sense when you look at what these people preached. All the famous Protestant preachers used the phrase "sola la scriptura". Today we'd call them religious fundamentalists because this is literally what they were. They believed that only the Bible mattered and that it should be interpreted to the letter. The most radical of these religious zealots called themselves Puritans and ended up moving to North America. This is another common misconception about history by the way: the Puritans weren't pushed out of Europe. In fact, most European kingdoms at the time (and the UK in particular) treated them with a great deal of tolerance. The UK under Elizabeth I. even enacted some protections for Jews, so why would they hunt down fellow protestants? In truth, the Puritans WANTED to leave because they couldn't stomach the liberal values in Europe. They moved to North America specifically so they could build their own little theocracy over there, being sure that no one would bother them in their fanaticism. Lastly a word about anti-semitism during the Middle Ages: while anti-semitism doubtlessly existed, Historians generally differentiate between structure and events. It's important to do so because if we don't, we get a very twisted view of the past. For example natural catastrophes were singular events, they weren't structure. Now, in the case of anti-semitism, pogroms did occur but they didn't occur every day or even every year. Let's not forget that we're talking about a time spain of 1,000 years here! Not every person in the Middle Ages was a raging anti-semite; in fact, the overwhelming majority probably wasn't. People in the past weren't different from us today, they had just as much empathy and love as we do. People did have far less information back then of course but nowdays we've got a lot of fake news. In my opinion, religion certainly contributed to anti-semitic pogroms but it wasn't the decisive factor. The decisive factor was the lack of law enforcement. If 200 neonazis today would try to commit a pogrom in Cologne, the city government would immediately call on their police force and perhaps the federal government would even call in some military unit. Medieval cities did not have this option, so once a pogrom got going, there was very little anyone could do to stop it. And while it is true that Jews were prohibited from taking on various jobs, which is doubtlessly anti-semitic, they often excelled in fields such as medicine or trading, where they were usually highly respected by their Christian peers. So, it's important to be very nuanced about these things.

Holy crap this is 9 years old and literally nothing is different. This is so depressing.

Am I supposed to like for Sam Harris or Dislike for Cenk ?

Like watching a drunken frat boy trying to debate with his professor.

3 hours of Cenk missing the point

Sam has patience of the saint.

Cenk Uygur is maddeningly obtuse in this interview, seemingly determined to misunderstand well-explained distinctions and showing a disregard for the accurate representation of his guest's views.

cenks arrogance is unsettling

Sam Harris is so good at remaining focused and on point within the context! I wouldn’t be able to remain as calm as he was 😆

Note to self: Don't debate an intellectual giant unless you are totally prepared, or Cenk

I'm more intrigued by Sam's patience than his intelligence.

This interview is the reason I now say "I used to watch TYT" I wonder how many people here feel the same way.

Summary: Sam: all religions aren’t true Cenk: yeah but my previous religion isn’t as bad as the others!

This interview did cenk no favors.

The humiliation of Cenk Uygur

Sam Harris, I applaud your courage, your knowledge about the subject.

I would love to hear a body expert analyze the sitting postures of these two. They are distinctly contrasting..

Sam Harris: The Sun is hot. Cenk: I agree and disagree and this is why.

The intellectual distance between these two men is quite astounding.

Such a great, honest and genuine debate, 9 yrs later

Don't they have an intelligent guy on the show that can interview Sam Harris? It's like the interviewer just likes to hear himself talk.

Did anyone else notice the difference in emotional maturity between the two...not to say anything about intellectual ability.

Cenk is like: "But the christians killed a lot more people than muslims!" Sam is talking about the doctrine, which is fundamentally different. Straight lines from doctrine to behaviour. That's the key here that Cenk doesn't seem to be able to understand, because he takes it personally. He says he isn't muslim (religiously), but he is a muslim culturally, which is why he can't resist to feel insulted by Sam's explanations.

I don't believe at all that Cenk is failing to grasp the various criticisms that lie unique in Islam, he is simply practicing selective-ignorance and defending it out of favour for his mother culture and even says as much early in the interview.

Cenk is trying so hard to misinterpret what Sam Harris is saying. Is it deliberate dishonesty on Cenk's part, or just his profound ignorance showing?

I don't think Cenk understands basic logic and reasoning.

Cenk has zero credibility and is lucky Sam took it easy on him. Fast forward a decade and Cenk appears totally unhinged in every debate and interviews.

Quite a pleasant discussion to listen to. Thank you Sam and Cenk!

This was like trying to watch a philosopher try to explain logical reasoning to a caveman.... oh wait.

Cenk, just give it up and say "I've got a soft spot for Islam because I used to be one, and my family still is. Therefore, I am going to deflect by tossing in all these red herrings like 'But..but..but Christianity!'" It makes perfect sense for you to feel that way, and nobody would begrudge you those feelings. Just be honest about it.

This was an amazing 3 hours, honestly. I don't like cenk but this convo with Sam was just...wow. You should absolutely make videos like this again.

Always enjoy when peeps allow conversations that represent opposing sides. Well done

I'm surprised that Sam still has hair by the end of it. I would have torn all of mine out.

Who lets Cenk debate? He just embarrassed himself!

I just hope KZfaq doesn't fill my feed with TYT videos cuz I watched this one video.

Can we get an update? Very relevant conversation for today.

This is what a civilized conversation/debate looks like. I wish we could see more like this between adults.

this is why I stopped watching tyt

Did Cenk just disagree with probability?

Funny listening to Cenk talk about Christianity and the Bible like he knows anything about it. And it's always entertaining listening to an Atheist also talk Christianity.

How can anyone take Cenk seriously? He’s an embarrassment sitting oppoosite Harris.

Sam: We gotta think deeper. Cenk: error 404.

It is a disappointment that Cenk didn't seem to understand logic or reasoning and seemed more interested in rebutting rather than discussing

In today’s India there seems to be more animosity towards the Muslin Mughal Empire than towards British Empire!!

Such an amazingly good and needed talk on this very delicate subject !!! It's a 3 hour long debate, but boy, it has been all worth it !!🤗

I'm impressed by Sam's mental fortitude. Arguing with someone as thick as Cenk for 3 hours must be very taxing on the mind. Refuting arguments for the sake of refuting is the invention of an idiot.

The Better question you guys are missing here is, "How did Sam manage to keep his leg in that position for 3 hours straight?"

Thank you Cenk, it is so nice to see you at a normal level of emotion. Don’t go on Pierce Morgan show anymore because you act crazy when you get on there, you get so upset. I think you’re going to have a heart attack and I can’t bear to watch it, but now you’re so calm and peaceful and both of you are so engaging. Great interview glad to see you back to normal.

Cenk has left islam like he left bacon...back at it every morning

Take a shot every time Cenk agrees with himself

This intellectual bullying, Sam's playing 3D chess and Cenk's still trying to get the hang of hungry hungry hippos

It is funny how this is shown on TYT but it makes them look bad.

Cenk immediately defaults to moralization whenever Sam starts to pick him apart. "Yes, but Sam, aren't we '**better** than military action?" It's like talking to a toddler.

This was not a proud moment to be a Turk...

Cenk looks very emotionally invested in protecting Islam.

I found this very interesting and informative. I have very little other reference point but as a beginning, thank you.

I busted to have a crush on Sam Harris when I was masquerading as a straight person.

I like how Cenk brings two giant stacks of paper, and Sam just brings his brain.

LOL the number of times Sam Harris spends 5-10 minutes trying to explain a complex point of argument, Cenk utterly fails to understand it, and Harris just facepalms silently and says "Let's move on..."

This is so foreign to me my mind is blowing-up after only 22-Minutes! I want to listen to all 3-Hrs and 39-Seconds so I have saved it in my Watch folder and clicked Liked ! I was baptized as Catholic (Joseph is my baptismal name) and was Confirmed while in High School (Saint Gregory is my confirmation name). So I am Robert Joseph Gregory Davidson and am a USA Revolutionary ancestor of Colonel Davidson of Virginia.

Everytime Cenk opens his mouth, I want to leave this video. But when Sam answers, it makes me want to stay a little longer. I've never been so divided. I need to sleep, and I'm simultaneously regretting being here and also enjoying it quite a lot.

Sam lays out clear concise arguments, none of which are bigoted or racist. His points are data driven and relevant to today's world. He is indeed considering all sides of the argument. Cenk continually sets up straw-men of Sam's position, as many have done. If you rationally consider Sam's position and carefully listen to his wording they make a lot of sense.

Its like Sam is talking to a 10 year old.....

More conversation like this in 2024 please. Two intelligent people who disagree civilly. What happened to that!?!? Can we bring it back?!?!?!?

Wow. Cenk’s conversational style and energy is so cringy at times that it makes this debate a hard watch. It’s clear that one participant is much more knowledgeable in not only the whole idea but the details as well compared to the other

I'm so confused. Is Cenk intentionally pretending not to understand what Sam Harris is saying or is he serious. Either way it's annoying. I don't know how Sam Harris didn't didn't get frustrated and walk out. And the way Cenk just kept putting words in his mouth and then Sam had to keep explaining why that wasn't his point of view. But for the most part it was only a few instances. I don't get how Cenk thinks that Sam should be responsible for people that misunderstand his views and then go on to misrepresent him. He's being as clear as possible, it's not his problem if people are too stupid or too lazy to understand. Also why can't Cenk just admit that the doctrine of Islam is worse. It very obviously is. It seems to me that Cenk wants Sam to provide a simplified answer to a vastly overly complicated issue. It's ridiculous. Great discussion for the most part!

"Sam Harris is an intellectual black belt" - Joe Rogan

Wish I had 1/10 of Cenk’s confidence 😂😂

This is a 3-hour long conversation about theology splitting hairs, literally. Two atheist sitting down proving each other's point that religion leads to turmoil and disconnect. The irony of this video is in and of itself the reason why religion will never get us off this rock...

Fuck sake Cenk, that probability bit was embarrassing.

I tried uploading this to Pornhub, but apparently rape is not allowed by their terms of service. When i was a christian my church didnt even hand out or teach from the old testament. It was new testament only. And being born and raised in Northern Ireland i can tell you, with 100% confidence that its not about religion. Its about sovereignty. There are catholics and protestants on both sides. As well as atheists and other religions. The IRA which now is mostly catholic was started by protestant farmers. Not catholics. No one ive ever known, and ive known a lot of enlisted terrorists on both sides, have ever stated anything about faith or brought it up. They only talk about sovereignty. For 37 years sounded by this shit, and im not cherry picking. And yes there are religious people on both sides, some very religious. Never once heard any of them talk about religion in the context of Northern Ireland.

Why does Sam waste his time with Cenk? Are they actually able to pay him enough? It does nothing for Sam. Well beneath him.

This was a very painful watch. Sam Harris I envy your patience.

It was at this moment, five years ago, I unsubscribed from TYT.

This is like Floyd Mayweather fighting my Grandmother.

This is what it says about Sam Harris on Wikipedia - American philosopher, neuroscientist, author, and podcast host. His work touches on a range of topics including rationality, religion, ethics, free will, neuroscience, meditation, psychedelics, philosophy of mind, politics, terrorism, and artificial intelligence. Phew! What a polymath and intellectual!

Cenk! Brilliant talk! I learned so much from BOTH of you. By far, one of the best debates I've seen on your show. It has always been a subject close to my heart. I missed the online furor over Mr. Harris' past statements, and interpretations online, but I think it was brilliant of you to get together the clarify, and air out differences. Thank you!

It must be scary to find out that you're totally outmatched and still have 2 hours and 59 minutes to go in the interview!

Cenk seems unwilling to give Sam an inch in trying to understand what he's actually saying. Could have been a much more effective dialogue if he had attempted to do so.

Idk how many times one has to dislike a video to get YT to STOP auto playing a 9 year old video over and over and over and over and over again 🤯

Cenk is just there to be argumentative and nothing else!

I don't know whether to like for Sam or dislike for Cenk

Cenk actually believes he is Sam's intellectual equal. Cenk's chair is smarter than he is.

Thank you Cenk and Sam Harris. - Cenk ..this deserves a redo - Sam mopped the floor with you this time....

Philosophy doesn’t make it right. What about your morals? What about your intuition? What about your heart?

So happy with how this video was received. These comments give me hope for humanity

Cenk - Makes Point Harris - Responds directly and backs up his viewpoints Cenk - Disagrees (or agrees and disagrees)... deflects with unrelated point Repeat for 3 hours.

i dont know why but 38:17- 38:30 was too funny looooll

I haven’t watched enough of Sam Harris to say I support his ideas or the conclusions he draws from his research. But I respect his perspective and find it applicable to the conversations we have these days about ourselves and our world. He speaks calmly, and slowly, which appeals to me because I know we’re more rational when calm. He constantly tethers his conversation to specific examples and stats. He speaks honestly, based on his perspective, about topics that many people don’t talk about because they simply don’t know enough about them to contribute to them. That’s not to say he’s never wrong, we’re all wrong, and that’s not to say his opinions don’t exacerbate stereotypes that can make life difficult for people, but if he isn’t speaking responsibly about difficult and controversial topics, then I haven’t seen an example of a responsible contribution to conversations on such topics. Lastly, I lived in Iraq recently for a few years. I was a high school teacher at a high school in Kurdistan. I find it hard to believe more than 10 to 15 percent of the people who lived in my city tolerated radical Islamic ideas, just don’t encounter those views and actually encountered opposite views commonly, but I also recognize I’m comparing my own subjective experience with his facts/stats. So I’ll check his sources and reconsider my understanding of that topic. I think we owe that to people like SH who present such strong arguments. And Cenk? I mean, who gives a shit?

Sam is in a whole intellectual league of his own. How gross and racist of him.

This is like a Harvard scholar trying to convince a child how the Earth is round.

Take a drink every time they say "right?". You won't last.

I Don’t believe in God so I have no fight in this game. Sam is to the point, Cent gos around & around, & not hearing Sam. Difference is Muslim fanatics will kill you if you say anything about there religion, Catholics just want to have fun

Poor Sam having to deal with this obtuse simpleton...

Damn, I think Cenk has been watching too much TYT.

Problem is not moral progress. The problem is authority. It will still do what it has always done.

If you only knew what was coming in 2024, this conversation will be so different...

I was gonna add a comment about how Cenk doesn’t seem to be listening to Sam but apparently everyone senses that.