I remembered renting this and thinking it would be great like Dishonored. I can’t believe it’s been 7 years! Tell me this came out in October because I remember listening to Opie and Anthony ft. Jim Norton’s “Jocktober”

@@DontRespectTheUS What doea your channel name and pic mean ?

I think Doom 2016 (AKA Doom *4)* was the right way to do it: be both a reboot AND a continuation that respects the original.

A openworld Thief game actually sound really good. All they need to do is copy Hitman and replace assasinations with thieving and it will be a easy GOTY if they manage to put a good story in it.

Very accurate

@@reallycool also, Erin is the girl from the ending of thief 3, (who tries to pickpocket Garrett) and is implied to be his protégé

Except in this reboot they state that this is a reincarnation of Garrett and the first three games are a historical myth, so this Erin could be anyone

@@reallycool oh I didn’t know that lol. I figured it was the same one my bad.

@Dale Macarena the originals, not thief 4

Well it was really a combination of Splinter Cell: Conviction, Hitman Absolution, and Thief 4. There’s a reason that the only one of these series still left standing is the one that ultimately returned to its roots

Kidboy you don't know what "it really was" cause you don't work in the industry nor do you know someone in it. You're just simply what's called a "basement dwelling typer" which means you just say anything 🤡

There was a weird phase in late 2000s and early 2010s when every major steallth game franchise going through a existential crisis. They were rebooting every stealth franchise, and it was always with a new creative team who didn't even understood what made the original great in the first place.. I think Metal Gear Survive officially put the last nail in the coffin on steath genre

Stealth games just like horror games have been on a decline for a while there's no denying that, there are outliers like Hitman and Resident Evil but generally stealth same as horror doesn't sell very well in the AAA arena.

@@charaznable8072 at least horror games get churned out like butter by the indie dev community, stealth doesnt get nearly as much attention.

2 words, Jenny Craig

While you're most certainly right on much of it, I do believe the thief-taker general was a much less official position, and was a self-styled title for a vigilante by the name of Jonathan Wild. Don't let this discount the other things you've said, though! I'm just a silly pedant. ❤

@@Koweth All I know about this topic comes from the Extra History video series, Policing London, so I'm hardly an authority. You could be right.

​@@Andre-fq6xg extra history is a wonderful way to learn history. I'm glad you've watched their content! 🙂

@@Koweth Yeah, I like history. My favorite time period is Victorian England.

Wow! Hey! You are really insightful! You're totally right! I remember all the quotes about Balance in the original games.

Yep spot on. It's all about the balance. Even the Keepers themselves lost balance by trying to believe they're above it and they can decide what it is. That's how you got the Hag. The thing is, the Thief Franchise doesn't NEED rebooting. Thief Deadly Shadows ended with Garett taking in an orphan girl to train her. Why not make her story? 10-20 years after Karras, Trickster and the Hag? No more Glyphs, with both Technology AND Magic probably under lockdown, could definitely set a nice sort of renaissance \ Victorian era with a lot of hidden factions vying for the power vacuum left behind the big guys. Missions exploring old pagan or mechanist hideouts, stuff that the protagonist has only ever heard about second hand from her mentor. But even if you DO reboot, don't use Garett as the protagonist, use him as the mentor. He should be what Artimus was for Garett. You can't have Garett without Stephen Russel, so just move on from him. Be the Bioshock to Thief's System Shock. Dishonored 2 knew to use Stephen Russel as the voice of Corvo, because Dishonored was inspired by Thief. Like I said, there's plenty of directions you can take this to, even incorporating some elements of the new Thief's story. But this new Thief had everything wrong. Bad story, bad characters, bad design, bad ai, I remember being so disgusted after playing it.

It's insane how you can simply make observations, end it with "x" after backhandedly telling the developers how to do their job (which you have no experience in) and people will bomb you with internet points you represent everything I despise about armchair game critics

@@razztastic Yeah he told devs who made a mediocre entry in a good franchise, so mediocre it killed the franchise, what to do storywise and thematic wise with the franchise based on its previous successful entry. Your take is pretty terrible. Reflecting and advising is valid criticism. You however, are obviously either a failing game dev, or someone who has a personal attachment to a game so that if someone criticizes it you think they're criticizing you. Grow up.

@@razztastic you can dismiss it and scroll along.

Its just cut from the canvas, probably put onto a different canvas.

Easier to steal as well, if you’ve ever watched them explain it on white collar.

The different pieces of your equipment that you use to traverse the world weren't a problem in and of themselves, actually -- I quite appreciated that you often needed to have specialized equipment to get unique items that you could subsequently view (even rotating the model around) at your leisure. It's one of the few gameplay mechanics I wish had been fleshed out more in Deadly Shadows. The problem is that you end up carrying so much specialized equipment on you (razor is fine, wrench/wirecutter/permanent trinkets, not so much) that it screws with one of the key tenets of the first two games -- that Garrett was such an expert that he discarded most of his extraneous equipment between missions, not just because he enjoys the challenge (he specifically wears shoes with taps on them because not doing so would make sneaking far too easy!), but because the extra gear typically bogs him down and you never really have a need beyond some extra arrows or fence tips per mission. It doesn't help that most of the places you need to access with this specialized equipment are ''extremely'' superficial -- either an item that's right behind a grate that you need to unscrew, or a path that is still just a slightly-alternate circuit through an otherwise-linear stage that only has one path anyway.

It had penty of flaws and was plagued with bugs, but overall it was enjoyable.

Lol.

Same.

Yeah its definitely not the the worst game of all time. Guy clearly never played Agony

same for me as well. i enjoyed.

There's nothing wrong with liking something irrespective of it's quality.

I like it too. In comparison to games coming out today, its a good one. Actually I like the gameplay and ont like the story.

I would disagree heartily. The missions are quite bad. Literally the only mission that felt like a thief mission was a DLC. Obviously the developers realized they done f*cked up, so they gave the fans what they wanted in the form of a 20 minute after thought. If the whole game had been like the bank heist, this game would have been an incredible addition to the series. But instead of being about stealing, it's about drama, magic, plague, civil unrest. When I found myself stumbling through an abandoned asylum trying to avoid goblin creatures, I realized the creators had no idea what game they were supposed to be creating.

I love this game 🎯

No, you're not. The only difference is that you don't make "being a gamer TM" your personality and therefore, you can afford to say stuff like "Thief 4 was pretty good" or "Walking Dead Survival Instinct was flawed as f but there is enjoyment to be had" etc. People have cornered themselves into their own perceived notion that being a gamer TM came with a checklist or some sh!t like that. 9 years ago, it was cool to say that Fallout 3 was sh!t and FF6 was a better FF than FF7... Because they all know that, statistically, FF7 is most people's first RPG so, claiming to like the previous one(s) makes you a more OG gamer TM... You have a super-power in today's day and age: you can like things you like without giving 2 fµcks about what other people will think about you. You are a free person. They're not, they're trapped, trying their hardest to convince the rest of the world that they are REAL gamerz TM, which REQUIRES you to sh!t on Fallout 3, only praise the first 2, sh!t on Thief 4, only praise the previous ones etc. Any deviation from that and they'd feel like Candy Crush players... Which should be okay to be... but... There's a good reason why Dark Souls games took off... Are you really a gamer if you haven't beaten them? But wait!!! In which difficulty? Well, there's no easy difficulty, is there?... But what if there was? Ever thought about that? Then it would mean that "I beat Dark Soul" could mean "I beat it in easy difficulty"... which would make you NOT a real gamer! And we can't have that... can we? Oh no, we can't. Even though adding an OPTIONAL mode wouldn't take anything away from the game, it could damage Dark Souls players' very fragile ego... See what I mean? It's all about ego, gamer credentials etc. That's the reason they played the game in the first place and the reason they're fighting so hard against the inclusion of an (optional) easy mode You don't care about that. So you can say stuff like "guys, I actually liked it!", you should be proud of yourself. I mean that. You are a complete person, on your own, you don't need other people's approval to exist. You are more than your video game "achievement" list. They're not. You can enjoy this good game (not great but "good" is already quite good!), they can't. That's really sad when you think about it, how many other stuff they are missing out on?! And for what? Impressing DarkLordxxx666 on the internet? To what end? He beat dark souls too and he thinks he's a better gamer than you anyway... Thief 4, worse game ever... Can you imagine believing something like that?! I mean, the PS2 alone has 2500 games... Thief 4 is worse than all of them and then some?! How pathetic it is to live like that... I feel sorry for them, happy for people like you.

this is canonically not the same garret. She is Garret's apprentice, who he decided to teach when she tried to steal from him. He caught her red handed trying to pickpocket him She was raised in the house of blossoms and when it came the time for her to have her first time, she kills the customer. She escapes when a guard caught her red handed as he was patrolling. She tries to survives on the streets, sees Garret, tries to steal from him, Garret catches her hand, then she escapes and she chases him and he loses her. She came to Basso because he's the only one she knew in the city (according to Basso) and he shelters her. Basso calls Garret because she wants her to meet him, he just thought they would get along, and when he shows up she realizes he's the guy she tried to steal from. Time skip, Garret is her mentor now, a guard is about to attack Garret and she kills him instead of knocking him out, and Garret refuses to work with her anymore. This is taking in mind she has killed people before against Garret's orders (she doesn't always kill them). She becomes an assassin after that. That's all in the comic, but the game does show a scene where she kills a guy in the house of blossoms and escapes. I also think it was pretty clear they were partners in crime, idk why mrixt had doubts, everything else is just not clear in the game (that scene with Eryn at the house of blossoms is so random and vague you don't piece it together, I was just confused) I find it weird that the comic also differs from the canon that the game presented.

I wish I'd seen that

I wish i could unsee that.. disgusting

Well, garret isnt in thief 4, its a brand new character. And considering "Randy Smith, a designer on the original trilogy, suggested to the studio of creating a new character instead of using Garrett" I find it increasingly hard to believe the devs never played the original games.

This is simple BS. Devs knew and played all previous Thief games of course.

stop making shit up

I think thats why its a bit linear with these qte to mask loading times. I think if it had been designed only for PC it would look and play differently.

Yeah that was basically the problem for me

I seriously dont understand why they made it if they didnt love and honor the previous games.

Yeah they could have introduced the less annoying girl from 3rd thief game ending with Garrett as mentor, and they really should have improved the positional audio so you can actually hear where footsteps come from. Oh well, we have Dishonored for a spiritual successor instead.

Same thing! And even after I played Dishonored and Deus Ex series, Thief 4 remains to be a good game for me, thx to the amazing esthetics, atmosphere, and a cool fluent gameplay 😉

Hope you got into Metal Gear by now

100% I hate this days fifa and cod 2 games that are way of that gamers likes

Yeah, that is probably the best description. It's alright. And forgettable. But only for the fact that it's neither the best game ever made, nor absolute shite, nor a trainwreck, nor laden with controversy. It exists and has no major flaw, but also doesn't set itself apart.

@@infinitygamer-un4qq people were complaining about fifa and cod when this thief game came out lol, literally nothing has changed.

The atmosphere is the thickest, realest, most inspiring I’ve ever come across.

Thanks! I really tried, too!

@@reallycool Oh it shows, lol! And we all greatly appreciate the effort too (^-^)

I do have to point out that it's established from the beginning that they see each other as family (rivals but still with a familial bond) That's why he cares about Erin.

Me too, I also like to replay Thief 3 from time to time

The Cradle calls

I feel like thief 3 is the worst of the trilogy, but also kind of the easiest to get into. That’s why it’s my most played thief as well. Like thief 1 and 2 are better, but boy some of those quest are hard and I actually really like the third person view of thief 3.

@@WaddyMuters true. The Thieves guild pisses me off at least once every playthrough

I also got it for free from epic this week and i dropped it after an hour it aint it

Yeah... I forgot that they promised so much. I was interested because of the teaser content, but I never got the game until years later at a heavily discounted price... Even that didn't really feel worth it.

I love the dodge you can do (though it should have bigger a cool down) which helps out with dealing with sneaking between large gaps or getting out of potentially dangerous situation which can get you caught

@@titanjakob1056 i can agree there

The biggest thing that bugged me was what Thi4f did with the blackjack. In the original games, it was so satisfying bonking guards over the head with the blackjack, and that was only a simple melee attack. You don't get the same levels of satisfaction when you try to make it "cinematic" by reducing it to an animation while playing an unnecessary sound effect every time you do it.

​@@TheCrimsonElite666 in the OG series, it was also a coin toss between enemies being deaf af and suddenly all of them having sight and hearing ability of Superman

I think a better title would be "biggest disappointment of all time". The game may be fine and dandy when viewed in a vacuum, but it has very little of what makes a Thief game special, other than a basic premise.

It's a good game. Sure, it doesn't reach the creative heights from 1 and 2, but I have enjoyed playing it several times. This guy's just got a beef.

@@PikkaBird I'm currently playing through and that's pretty much were I sit. As someone who only played the originals a little I didnt really have the same attachment as the community and coming at it from that perspective I quite like the game. Far from prefect, but servicable and has some good levels. But I cant totally understand the fan reaction as it's a huge departure of what made those originals so iconic.

@@PikkaBird there were games with far more hype than this that bombed

@@trtvitor1385Of course, if you look at it in the grand scheme of things there have been some spectacular fumbles. But from the point of view of a Thief fan this game was an atrocious dud.

It’s was the shalebridge cradle for me, my sister and I would seriously run away from the Xbox if one of those light bulb looking dudes caught us and run away again if he was still on screen trying to kill us lol

Lol, playing shite like assassins creed made me realise the opposite

Action games with stealth elements, otherwise known as "try to be stealthy, plan your route and pick off 3-5 enemies over the course of a few minutes, get spotted, massacare everyone in several seconds like you probably should have done in the first place". Or at least that's normally how I end up playing them.

Should have just bought Dishonored

@atheilredpeople have different tastes

Hmmm like that explanation

It's just Dishonored, but a bit buggy still a somewhat good game

@@YunkBread Dishonored series was inspired by thief

Awww well bless your heart 💕

It would be weird thats all I know.

Thanks, yeah I wanted to finally be able to say exactly what it was I don't like about it, and now I think I can do that

@@reallycool I don't like you don't you dare say anything like that about thief you're bad fuck off

All of it for you

@@reallycool great to see one from you, sausage arms

Where are the views god damn it!!

@@lazy7789 PewDiePie stole them lol jk

I hide in plain sight.

Glad it helped!

Thanks for the suggestion!

Yeah, they went in really hard on annoying things

What enticed you in the first place just the freeness herpes as long as it's free pretty dumb , bad story take it or leave it gameplay matters most of course, I like the gameplay and looks aesthetic etc, bad map design lol ok sure I'm sure you're like a cartographer, maps don't matter just like most post 2008 AAA games you can navigate this game purely by sight what a trash nock , get good the end 😂

I gave it a try, I'm uninstalling it xD

I think it's a perfectly fine game for $3

@@reallycool Agreed! I think it was a good deal overall. I did play the game (at my EXTREMELY slow pace) for about two weeks before feeling I've had enough. Maybe I'll even return to it someday. 🙂

oh god no wonder I didn't hear much about it. That just sounds DUMB. Who was the clown in charge of that circus?

The one that always made me laugh the most were the scissors. It's just so petty.

Thing about that "junk" is.. those aren't cheap scissors and pen like we have, those are actually Gold or Silver scissors and pens, which even to this day, a gold plated Scissor or Pen is still worth a pretty penny.. Silver unfortunately has declined quite a bit.

The Styx games are criminally underrated.

Bought the first Styx game for 2$ on GOG thinking " eh that might be fun , never really heard of that " and ended up really liking it 👍 Im not a stealth game enthusiast really but I 100% recommend Styx

@@timinou9915 styx gang🤙

@@XX-121 😎🍻

I always recommend people to check out Styx. They are really closer then thief 4 and probably the closest games to the of thief trilogy out there.

Dishonored is overrated

Sadly even that level is so incredibly linear

And it's a just a rip-off of the shalebridge cradle from thief 3

@@kingdomkey2262 A very bad ripoff. Shalebridge is still one of my favorite levels of all games.

Please don't ever say "aggressive mediocrity" ever again. That's obviously not your phrase, and you're not even using it well. The sentence its in is redundant.

@@scottk1525 I got what they were getting at. I appreciated their comment. Don’t know why two words has you so worked up.

@@BreeQuinn My point still stands. The fact that this redundant catch phrase doesn't happen to bother you personally doesn't change anything.

@atheilred You're so edgy

Theres plenty to steal for, you got trinkets and other things that help for 28,000 gold and more.