Yeah, it was great that Whitney was checked on her manipulative behavior. Congrats to Taylor!

I hope Whitney watches this! She thinks she is so evolved and Taylor called her out so many times, deservedly. I didn’t know Taylor and I am obsessed now! She is awesome!

The bangs and the outfit give her such pretty 70s vibes 💕

bravo Taylor.

@@patriciadelahanty8300 taylor a nut too she talking about turning a guy into bum if he as goals in life

I'm going to guess that Whitney couldn't hold onto any of her friends from before she was successful because she likely started talking down to all of them as she got more fame and money.

Stfu

@Vit Sono Nah son. You don’t seem to understand that there is a big difference between trying to give someone advice and thinking you know what’s best for the person. There is nothing more invasive than trying to put someone into your own little box by psychoanylyzing them. She believes that just That’s called being narcissistic prick. No one likes a narcissistic prick. Don’t be a narcissistic prick.

@Vit Sono “They’re crossing a boundary by being worried about you”. You’re right. Posting things that someone doesn’t want you to post and assuming you know what’s best them makes sense! Seems healthy😐

Absolutely! As someone older than her- I’m like girl! You’re not that far beyond this. You sound ridiculous.

The pain of podcasts. The host thinks they set and run everything lol. Whitney was insufferable several times

Yep

This episode is actually exhausting to listen to

@@quacker008 Whitney is a lot.

And I know she says when she's called "a lot" it means the other person is "a little", but she's increasingly becoming just wayyyy too much to bear and I've been a long time defender of her. Can't even watch her insta stories anymore, I don't want to watch 20 stories of something that could have been done in 2, or often, none 😒

ok i don't think we'll see Taylor a third time on the podcast.

Looking for more taylor Tomlinson stand up is how I find Whitney's podcast

Word

It's kinda insufferable

Yes! Lol. But who’s life is also a mess. How do you tell them respectfully, “you’re a mess and I’m not taking any advice from you” without being rude?! Haha

She's not my friend, I would never want a friend like her.

It's like , is there any way you can mute only one of the two people in a podcast?

You don’t need to worry about Taylor she can hold her own

She's way more talented than Whitney. Personal opinion.

Please dont be like Whitney. She's a trainwreck

Whitney’s just a mom. My mom is always trying to give unsolicited advice. The older you get the more comfy it is to pushback/nicely treating them how they treat you

I dont see how she is doing anything but

Same here!!

Same

Same!!

Agreed!

She introduced me to Whitney’s podcast

Seems to be a lot of passive aggressive comments.

@@nickharris8104 because it sucks to see somebody you think highly of treat people in a certain way.

I know, right?!

The whole thing was so uncomfortable.

@@Barbievel yes it really is. Beanie lady thinks she knows everything and is there to boss Taylor around when she knows Taylor has potential to pass her up in Hollywood or at least get more attention than her and I think that is what gets her. Whitney is desperate to latch onto the newer , prettier talent since she is clawing to stay young or appear young while she is getting older . It is hard to watch. Had to turn it off for good.

Omg so true.

Eh?! Whitney seems kinda tough and intimidating; esp. in her stand-up, YET when she talks about how insecure she is, her toughness impresses the HELL outta me. Facing your fears and insecurities is good and important and they don’t necessarily have to be conquered: you just try to deal with them even if they NEVER dissipate 😊 She also seems really down-to-Earth in interviews 👍

I feel like Taylor is the adult person and Whitney the insecure young person in her 20s. I was so blown when I realized Taylor is like 3 years younger than me. I thought she is a bit older than me. 🤣

@@Protectobot it's called being phony. If you take away the cameras, mics, and leave her alone with her thoughts for 10 minutes... nobody is really like this (constant chatter, maniacal laughter, etc.) I guess it's her way to stop the self loathe thoughts, everything is an act. I go the other way, total shutdown, barely speak, constant loop of negative thoughts, none of it healthy ...everything is pointless.

Taylor is funny, She's nothing like Whitney

Agreed

The power dynamic seems to look like if Taylor is upset, then Taylor is wrong or neurotic. Whitney assumes to know how & what Taylor is thinking even when Taylor says she’s wrong. Taylor is not EXACTLY like her. And when Whitney upsets her, she doesn’t seem to want to apologize.

@@SuicidalBlond this articulated my thoughts exactly. I've been absolutely loving this pod, but the last few episodes have seemed combative for sure. And this whole thing reminded me of Landmark and Hendricks lingo of "I can't maaake you feel anything, that's your shit" instead of owning ones own toxic nature. I had to turn it off, ruined my day. I've tried to listen again and it just feels so demeaning.

@@jtschmitt5116 EXACTLY. That’s what I was thinking too. I’m hoping it’s temporary. Maybe she’s going thru some shit. I just hope that this isn’t the trajectory this podcast is going in.

Reminds me of a boss I had who also assigned herself as my mentor. Even though our team only worked because I had different strengths that complemented hers and wanted to go on a completely different career path than her. So she'd fluctuate between bribing me with what I said my goals were to being insulted I didn't wasn't trying to become just like her.

Nailed it.

Look up Narcissistic personality disorder, and abuse cycles....Whitney is a textbook abuser looking make herself feel better by abusing and "helping" Taylor....Lovebomb, devalue, lovebomb, devalue....

It's even worse with Annie, it's just blatant rudeness.

@@z1z2z3z I dont think I'd go that far, but I can tell this isn't a healthy friendship.

its weird seeing it so blatant and literally recorded, edited and uploaded.

@@dntgvafuk89 You mean Whitney is worse with Annie or Annie is worse than Whitney?

Ye 100% Whitney was well out of line

Ngl Whitney keeps describing why people do certain things such as tell other people's secrets and i think her subconscious is literally describing her and why she acts and does the things she does. I really like this podcast but it seems like she couldn't bs her way through this one since Taylor really knows Whitney and can call her out for lying, and she did lie a few times in this episode and had to backtrack her statement. All love tho I'm still a fan of Whitney and a new fan of Taylor

@@dbboykid10 time stamps times she lied?

@@dbboykid10 I think this exact thought often when listening to the podcast. There are times when someone will say something and she’ll expound on childhood circumstances that could explain their behaviour but it always seems to be coming from a personal experience. That being said I only really recognized this because I know that I do that myself so maybe I’m just projecting lol

@@dbboykid10 Its a phenomenon known as psychological projection.

No you're 100% correct. Misery loves company and it stems from pure jealousy. Happy for you!!

Whitney is a headcase who does treat people like shit.

Whitney needs to find a new sponsor or a healthy meeting...or actually work the program. There are reasons we are anonymous at the level of press TV or social media. This is an example. A bad example. Controlling others, "fixing" them and skipping the steps then 12th stepping everybody with "vast wisdom" is not practicing principles. Sad because she could potentially help someone if she could learn to simply share her experience instead of acting like the worst version of a critical controlling mother.

@@tbbart6463 Or, ya know, any number of other things. "The Program" is not the only solution to addiction and does not work for many people. Honestly, AA/NA (and I assume all the others, but I've never been) push _a lot_ of dangerous psuedo-science. I mean... the _entire basis of the program_ is "God will help you if you surrender yourself to him", which is... not great lol. It definitely works for some people, so that's cool but we should definitely be finding a more rigorous "treatment" for addiction. Honestly, the ideology pushed by AA can be genuinely dangerous to many people. Telling a fragile addict that "you are powerless, you have to put all your trust to God and then he'll help you" is an absurdly risky proposition. It might take some weight off their shoulders... or it might make them feel totally powerless and invalidate allll the hard work they've been doing. It's an incredibly troubling concept that I believe does more harm than good. Also, it's very clearly not true in reality. I get what the point is, but they're just taking a roundabout path to get to the same place. It's entirely unnecessary and potentially harmful. Otherwise, I totally agree with your comment. As an ex addict (something AA pretends doesn't exist), it just really sucks to see people talking about AA and "the program" as if these are real things with any actual evidence behind them. It gives the impression that there's evidence to support "The Program", but.... there isn't really any at all. "Practicing principles" doesn't really mean much when the principles are just some random dead dude's opinion. There _ARE_ actually programs out there with genuine, research-backed methodology, but AA is not and will never be one of them. They're just a religious group.. one that is often dangerously close to being a cult. If any addicts trying to get clean are reading this, AA might be worth a shot if you're religious. The good news is that there are THOUSANDS of different AA/NA/GA/whatever out there, and some of them are wonderful! On the other hand, there are AA groups who will be all judgemental and hostile to drug users because they think _their_ addiction is somehow less bad because it's legal. There's allllll sorts of problems with both the structure of the program and the new culture formed within it. Luckily, there are other options; the important aspects (that AA also has, which is why it does work occasionally) are accountability, honesty, and human connection. By human connection I just mean "spending time with and around other people". Find a group that will help you with those 3 things. If AA doesn't work for you, that's ok because it's all made up! It doesn't work for most people! Just try something else, you'll get there eventually. (I know people like to say it isn't a religious organization and your higher power could totally be a door knob, but that's nonsense. Try to actually do that. Replace every instance of the word 'God' with 'doorknob' in the texts. It stops making any sense at all the second you move beyond surface level)

Well said! Taylor is the biggest growing female comic in last couple years. Whitney just wants to attach herself to that. But it's like she feels the need to hurt and damage taylor and even lead her to wrong info. Like it's so manipulative and gaslighty is crazy. She even gets called out by Taylor for being fake and starting public drama. Seems horrid person

She has a wonderful personality and the girl next door aura around her. She's also much funnier than the usual -just be as vulgar as possible- female comedian. I hope she keeps up the good work and has luck in her relationships. I don't want to see her cynical or emotionally damaged in her 30s

@@HerrMikael I hope Whitney can heal from her trauma and overcome all of the challenges life presents her for the good of herself and others!

:/

@@Rebe841 What's up Becca?

Big oof lol.. it hurts to watch in some moments.. takes me back to being confused if someone likes me or just likes having me around for whatever they want out of the situation..

Sounds exhausting. Your relationships shouldn’t be exhausting

"Men, we know how to be friends!"

Wow. Sad. I didn't hate anybody.

I think she looks cute. Lol

Someone needs to be a real friend and tell Whitney that she is looking ridiculous. This quarantine is eating away at her brain or something, I expect by the new year she is going to be most of the way into her Maureen Ponderosa cat transition.

Whitney looks disgusting with this pink hair routine. Show some class.

She actually makes fun of her own appearance a surprising amount of the time. I thought she DID get plastic surgery cos she joked about it lol. I think she said she uses Nuface skin-tightening products. I like the pink hair, actually. I got REALLY tired of fake blond hair in the 90s, personally; just WAY too trendy and common 😂

@@waylander140 not Maureen ponderosa 💀💀💀

The way she just speaks straight facts but somehow makes it funny and not mean is just incredible.

I think is toxic and she said on another podcast her father raised her that way

I've just come from the first podcast, so this comment clicks so well with me! The more Taylor finds out and the clearer and stronger she is, the more oppresive Whitney becomes.

Yes!! I listened to them in order and it's drastically different 6 months later

5:39

Its super interesting... I feel like watching this could be a case study in some college psych class. I'm a little over 40 minutes in at the moment and while I've mentally noted a few questions she genuinely asks about Taylor, most have still been about herself. Bizarre.

Great observation. 100% textbook narcissism.

She’s subliminally dissing Taylor the whole episode even in the ads. She wants to control her.

Concur! Bring back more Benton!!

Agreed. Whitney with the same old self analysis is exhausting

i'm just watching more of the ads just to get some Benton lmao

Same!! I looked for Benton first thing and was super bummed he was missing

nope

This! Check my comment!

and ambitious!

She rubbed me the wrong way on this one tbh. Gave me a wolf in sheep’s clothing vibe and clearly was threatened by Taylor’s maturity and stability. Just weird vibes all around 👎

Tough love issa thang. You roast people cus you care bullying is a different story. Me and my mates would always bash eachother its character development 🤣🤣 of course lines were crossed at times but the intent was never malicious. Its like if someone can't handle mild roasting how they gonna handle the adult world lol

@@SamtotheSkillz 🤣 not really sociopaths dont love they obsess and possess. Is tough love sociopathic 🤣🤣

daaaaaaamn

Insecurity be a thang

she does talk alot ;D

Textbook narcissist

Same, I usually love the pod but the last couple have seemed very much about Whitney and very one sided. I really learned nothing new about Taylor which sucks :( I hope Whitney is ok, she mentioned a new relationship, maybe its bringing up insecurities or anxieties.

I think Whitney is jelly how mentally sane and funny she is. She's also younger. So there's that.

She was gaslighting here!! 🤭

@@Bloomingstyle_ no she was not lol she did not deny any truth of Taylor’s

@@alexakimov She was denying her reality of being a human and implying that since she's an adult, she doesn't need to be checked in on.

Orrrr she was joking

@@IanStraka That's not a joke, she's brushing off her behavior because she's a narcissist

Taylor took mushrooms? Where do I hear about this

Agreed, she seems to be the vulnerable type to come out with her insecurities all the time whilst also being very self obsessed in terms of her achievements etc

:/

she warns everyone about herself actually. its insecurity though not narcissism. lots of "geeky" or "nerdy" people rub people this way. and to a certain extend narcissism is insecurity and insecurity is narcissistic but i dont think a real narcissist would ever put time and effort into self reflection and betterment. too vulnerable.

@Mike Solar exactly my view! :-) I feel the same way. And I think it's actually the more "dangerous" kind of narcissism. That one when someone is aware, to some degree, yet still can knowingly behave.. like we know they can..

@Mike Solar that´s an interesting thought. Surely, It has to do something with their self-centeredness, again, naturally.

Yeah I think we'll see Taylor move away from Whitney in future. Seems like an abusive toxic person getting worse as their life goes further downhill while watching other younger girls do it better. She manipulates and bullies Taylor a lot here. It's bizarre.

toooootally the vibe.

Well then love her.

Thank you. God it was nuts.

Then Taylor at 20:44 tells Whitney she's a sociopath and her dad lol

Well, she literally said shes a love addict

Don't excuse abusive behavior because she's a virgo. It's abuse

Sometimes with Whitney it seems like the lights are on but there's nobody home. It's like her brain operates like a squirrel obsessed with chasing after nuts. Even her self analysis seems more like an obsessive compulsive impulse rather than something that she grows from.

@@jaguarwarrior8171 I do agree. But that’s why I think she does have the best intention, she wants to grow and have the tools. But she is getting in her own way kind of. She wants to already be there, and maybe it’s the embarrassment thing, that she doesn’t ACTUALLY want to be vulnerable... thats why she laughs most of these things off or turn them into jokes/shifts the focus from her when it gets too “real”.

Perfectly worded. Didn't really enjoy the episode because of it

Taylor's experiencing the common Virgo trait of incisively & efficiently picking someone apart in order to constructively build them back up. She means well, but Taylor's a quick study.

Like, really? Like do you talk like that??? Like literally

It has and always will be funny to make fun of bangs, it just comes with the territory. Taylor isn't a china plate.

She wasn’t wrong that she could style them better though. I saw Taylor in a vid recently and seems like she took the advice lol

Yeah I remember Whitney kept asking to be on Taylor's podcast last time and Taylor was hesitant. I get old aunt wants to hang out with the popular girls vibes. But then she wants to tell them how to live and what to do even though she's a mess and clearly less happy than Taylor's group. The fact taylor even says she feels bad being around her speaks volumes and she just brushes it off.

@@lifeunderthestarstv I literally keep pausing it cuz my blood pressure goes up. I'm actually done with the whole interview at about midway point, I never really have liked Whitney and I 100% watch for the guest but Whitney is just rude to everyone and I'm probably going to unsubscribe.

@@joycedominguez1828 I don't know how she hasn't been cancelled for just being a terrible person in so many clips. I feel the same with Bert, Bill, Tom, the big 3 of right wing comedy now days. Bert especially has a weird attraction to his kids. Among other things.

@@lifeunderthestarstv "Right-wing comedy," no, lol.

Narcissistic feminists are exhausting as can be. Pure energy drain.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah right? Like how she has any confidence to give any advices in dating? Every story she tells is clusterfuck

Exactly!

I mean... It’s not hard to get married lol. Divorce is such a scary thing to most people that’s why they wait so long to get married/don’t get married

@@Barbievel no I agree its not hard to get married; it does however take some guts to have everything booked and decide to walk away.... most people wouldn't and that's a solid reason why divorce occurs... both Whitney and Taylor had the strength to walk and they're both better women for it; that's why I stated that it was a powerful statement, that was massively overlooked

It's such a WEIRD goal. They're professionals at the top of their craft, above a crowded field. But they focus on whether a man gave them a circle of metal?

@@LS-sg8rb This comment deserves so many likes

Weird take. Everyone seems to feel Whitney was being antagonistic from the start and everything taylor says just makes her more defensive and insecure. It's bizarre.

Also "this is so funny" often times it's not funny at all. Americans... go figure!

I think it's code for "interesting" because comedians are enthralled with different perspectives- its the bedrock of all comedy.

Omg now every time they say interesting i hear no

Yeah this felt really weird like she has issues with Taylor and tries to attack her in all these different ways

IMCRYIN NGG

Bill Burr can be like this. It’s the “I’m wiser and more successful” syndrome. Still love em both I just accepted that their egos tipped the scale of return.

Whitney asks to speak to the manager at least once a week.

Whitney the Ellen of podcasts

@@jasonpack5105 what does that mean lol

She gets paid for the appearance? Or just promo 🤔

Narcissism 101

I feel like she brings guests on the show just to bounce her ideas off them...not to actually hear anything they have to say.

She's cold? She should put on a sweater.

Anthony cringeworthy joke

Hear, Hear! 👏🏻

Wisdom? Lmao what wisdom? She parrots pop psychology nonsense that isn't reflective or representative of human biological reality.

I get it!!!

@@peggyjane8634 This is 100% correct

Luna I love this

Whitney is a narcissist and she's completely fake. Watching this after watching her interview with Bill Burr and how she treats them so differently is disturbing. Everyone deserves respect and Whitney treats people based on their level of success and influence.

I feel this, on so many levels. Strong attributes of my personality, also tend to be my biggest insecurities. Anytime I encounter someone with them, I'm usually prickled, until I reflect on the ugly mirror shining back at me.

for some reason redbar started to like her too at the same time as u :)

@@z1z2z3z 100% spot on

It is a fun and multi-angled bit when they go at each other like that or slip in the little jabs. Obviously all fun and games. They’re comedians. A couple of the other girls have mentioned how much they like that kind of jokin’ and jabbin’.

@@mkwilson38 I enjoy the joke and jab bits as well and feel that it was more jovial the first time Taylor was on the podcast, but it just seemed more mean spirited this time around - especially since Taylor indicated Whitney tends to/was bringing up topics Taylor genuinely didn't want to joke about. Possibly reaching, just how I interpreted it though.

@@mkwilson38 Don't you have to be funny to be a comedian?

@@anthonyi784 No, because comedy is an art and some art forms can be learned. Also, it’s Comedy 101 that comedy is subjective; highly subjective at that. So judging by ones personal opinions doesn’t tell us anything. Follow some or most of the basic ‘rules’ of comedy, do spots, get gigs, tour, all as your main or primary means of income...and one is a comedian.

You got this!

💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

You won't get better on the flip of a switch, but positivity is definitely the way to a healthier, better life, sounds cheesy but it's true. It's been five months since you commented it so i hope you doing much better, you deserve to be happy!

@21:29 absolutely not I hate what’s happening here

This was the last ep Taylor was on too and this was like 2 years ago. She used to be on all the time lol. Whitney has no chill.

@@garysteyn1039 from a woman’s perspective I’m going to kindly disagree, but who knows!

@@sarahmoore1430 I’m with you. This felt more passive aggressive than good natured ribbing

@@andreakae4211 exactly!

I didn’t feel it was awkward at all. There were some times they were playing it up... they are stand up comics after all..

@@alexakimov Lol

She’s gotta be on adderall at least 70% of the time

"Bad Friend, Good Business Woman. A lot of people wanna work with me; but they hate me. I don't know if people LIKE me." - Taylor

She's clearly going through something. She's kinda of bitter and spiteful to Taylor. Taylor has to actually police her a couple times. Sounds like your drunk regretful aunt at a family meeting taking all her insecurities out on Taylor.

She's so annoying and that loud fake laugh is ridiculous, and not in a good way. I'm checking out of this now that she schooled her on addiction..i can't stand her self righteous b.s.

I agree, but also …COVID. Everyone gets a pass. We all went through some serious shit. I think there’s this thing where they are living in their heads and need to drop into their hearts. ❤️

​@@joh2957 I like the way you put that .. Your right. Context certainly played a part . Comedians continually are at work in their minds at some point I think they loose the desire of switching off and just feeling with heart. I hope Taylor doesn't loose her natural genuine qualities.

This comment seems like it was written by chatgbt, i like it though

Girl i feel ya

nailed it. How is no one else seeing through it lol

This was very helpful for processing my abusive relationship with my ex.

@@emoke150 same

I totally see that because right off the bat is just a straight up offending and unnecessary comment about her looks. But her being a Virgo has nothing to do it with it. I had an emotional and physical abusive ex that was an Aries and I'm a Virgo. My mom is a Virgo and when she was with my dad, he was the abuser.

Yeah, Whitney handled that so badly. Bringing up her relationships, blaming Taylor for "not telling" her and then divagating and barely saying sorry... I don't truly understand the dynamics of this friendship/relationship...

Whitney apologized and took ownership. So...

Omg me too

As far as I know, yes there is. But I don't think that's exactly the case here. For me it looks like Whitney realised at some point in her life that her brain is acting weird in certain areas and she tried to find out what it is. And got veeery invested in it. Maybe that's the reason she's so invested in explaining everything in a very neurological kind of way. Maybe. But who am I to judge xd

She’s “too woke” now lol

There is such a thing as using your therapist as an opportunity to talk about yourself, not listening with an open mind to their opinions (or even listening at all), and cherry picking your own online "research" to create your own frankenstein theories that justify why other people need to give you more attention.

@@comedychrises Well said. Meanwhile people with real mental disorders are too busy trying not to drown from their real life problems. People like Whitney claim therapists are a scam trying to drain you of money while they spend years in therapists offices booking up their schedules and limiting the available resources to people who need it.

nope

Long healthy relationship? Let me know when you’ve found one that meets both of those criteria

Thank you for your input armchair psychologist. Sometimes treating others badly in jest doesn’t mean you’re projecting your insecurities.

@@slukass9631 are you replying this to everybody on here who’s said something similar or just me? This isn’t the first time I’ve seen this. I keep seeing it and there’s a huge difference to those “superior” or “inferior”. If you can’t read body language and behavioral patterns... iiiiiii don’t know what to tell you. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I understand what you’re saying but there’s a point where it becomes toxic.

@@ahnnakraklau7216 you do understand this is a comment/ discussion forum correct? I’ve always been a huge fan of Whitney’s but it does bum me out when I see the way she interacts with certain people. She really is becoming Hollywood personified.

I totally get what you're saying and feel the same. Anymore, I just come for Benton because Whitney hardly let's the guest actually talk and when she does, it's not about themselves, it's about their relationship with her. Her ego is, as she put it, running the show. I think she likes to play off her jibes at Taylor as making her stronger, but she just sounds like she is being rude for comedy and projecting her own insecurities. I want Benton to get his own podcast! He is so quick witted and I love it

I am with You on it! Also, as a regular viewer of this podcast, sometimes it gets tiresom to hear Whitney talking about the same thing over and over again and never REALLY listeting to her guests. I love her. But she's just getting that toxic therapy session out on this pod...

this

I'm sure he'll interrupt at some point, or read some Ads.

What did these monsters do with our Benton?!

@@carolyntalbot947 Don't blame the girls, he was like that when Whitney found him.

Yes! Even though these are your friends, in the interviews they are your guest. Also it’s rough to hear female comics shit talking each other even if it’s a joke or to toughen someone up 23:12

and her......

I'm pretty confident Lex reprogrammed Bear Claw, and it killed Whitney prime. Now it's in debug mode fixing Whitney's relationships.

Brain? Whitney? Ha!

What's crazy is getting girls out of a bad situation and a week later back to the same old stuff