Think Twice before Switching OFF ABS when going Off-road | RE Himalayan, BMW G310 GS and KTM 390 Adv

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Think Twice before Switching OFF ABS when going Off-road | RE Himalayan, BMW G310 GS and KTM 390 Adventure
When going off-road, majority of riders switch off ABS as a matter of routine.
Have you ever thought, what is the benefit of switching off ABS?
On KTM390 Adventure if you switch off ABS, it will still be active partially but only on front wheel. That means the rear wheel can be locked but not the front.
The BS4 model of the BMW G310 GS had switchable ABS but now on the latest BS6 models same option has been removed. That means you can’t switch off ABS.
On Royal Enfield Himalayan the ABS remains on and there is no option to switch it off. The brakes with ABS don’t really provide a great bite and are just satisfactory unlike KTM390 brakes which are precise and very effective.
So to switch off ABS, an intelligent way was found and that was to pull out the ABS fuze which is located below the rear seat on RE Himalayan motorcycle.
During a routine off-road ride, a Himalayan rider was just behind me with fully switched off ABS. Since the trail Infront of me was narrowing, I started moving to the left. The RE rider had a good speed and closed in too fast. Looking at this situation the RE Himalayan rider applied sharp brakes and now without any ABS front wheel locked in a fraction of a second which resulted in a bad fall. Luckily rider escaped unhurt and motorcycle had minor damages.
Looking at this accident which otherwise could have been very bad, I want to ask everyone of you “Do you still wish to switch off ABS when off-road”?
May be you can share your views and experiences by writing your comments, however as per my experience, it is good to have ABS ON when going off-road.
Infact KTM design team has given the best option of having partial ABS only on the front wheel and that is provided to safeguard a rider from PANIC BRAKING. Generally we all are quite used to applying full brakes because todays motorcycles are equipped with ABS. And in an emergency we are bound to slam both brakes as a matter of routine. However, when in dirt it needs a micro-second to loose control if we lock the front wheel.
That’s why having a little dull brakes and with the ABS is quite safe when going off-road as we are not taking part in a rally or an enduro event.
Probably this is the reason why BMW G 310 GS has removed the ABS switch in the new BS6 models.
Riders who are taking part in competitions, know this point very well and that’s why quite gradual on application of front brakes.
When going steep downhill, having ABS is certainly quite tricky as once the motorcycle weight starts to play because of gravity alongwith the riders weight, ABS may not really help. That’s why when riding with ABS on and going downhill reduce your speed and be very gentle on your brakes. If the slope is very steep, having ABS on is dangerous. In such a situations, may be reducing tyre pressure can be of some help as you can increase the tyre contact patch area.
When riding in slush or in wet conditions, having ABS on is a much safer choice.
On a motorcycle like the KTM390 Adventure, one should ride with ABS off on dirt as it already has partial ABS working in front alongwith no ABS on rear wheel which is the perfect choice for any rider.
Jai Hind and Ride Safe!
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@actstuntcam 3 жыл бұрын

Nice vid - In general YES to switchable ABS and switching it off. Locking the rear wheel is fun and doing brake slides is cool. ABS also cannot handle VERY steep declines in slippery conditions and becomes a dangerous hazard in those conditions. This rider crashed mostly due to rider error (Not meaning to be nasty about that and I hope he is ok and hasn't lost confidence). He needed to decrease speed far earlier when he noticed you scrubbing speed. Also, he needs to practice emergency braking and hard braking in general in these conditions. Brake practice is something we should ALL engage in every day. This is possibly an issue with ABS, it encourages riders NOT to practice and to hand over control to that system. Anyway, just my opinion as an experienced rider of 30+years. P.S. - What a cool group of bikes - Good to see a group of friends out there doing what they love. Cheers :) from New Zealand

@WingstoWheels 3 жыл бұрын

Very true, steep slopes and slippery conditions, both are dangerous with ABS. Luckily our group rides a mix of all machines which provides a greater experience. The world has really become small as both of my children got their commercial pilot licence from New Zealand. Thanks a lot for your comments.

@actstuntcam 3 жыл бұрын

@@WingstoWheels You went on to discuss my comments about steep slopes after I posted :) You must be proud of your kids. Nice one mate :)

@gpnmoab1 3 жыл бұрын

Just depends on your level of off-road skills. I turn it off as I need the control during steep descents. Very scary when you need to stop on a steep hill and your bike won't let you! Beware. You can get seriously hurt.

@MadM0nkey 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, more so when it's a sharp bend going downhill

@bickysingh4008 3 жыл бұрын

Same thing happened to me, i was going down sharp down and i was about to fall from mountain due to abs, abs was looking the brake lever!

@tshillam Жыл бұрын

I think a skilled motorcyclist can stop faster by applying proper brake control, by applying both brakes, on dry pavement. However, in adverse weather/road conditions (e.g. rain, wet roads, or sandy roads), using ABS can aid a motorcyclist in stopping a shorter distance than locking up the tires and skidding. Good video--thought provoking.

@KVMetalGod 2 жыл бұрын

Jai Hind Sir! Love your Content. I am to buy G310 GS and no switchable ABS was a turn off. But this video clarifies it...

@ashishthakur8595 3 жыл бұрын

Himalayan bs6 also comes with switchable ABS

@thazeebpatel2598 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent 👍

@sanjaysbhargava27 2 жыл бұрын

Quite informative vlog 👍👍👍

@amitthakur4662 3 жыл бұрын

Hi I own the same and per my understanding, incident happened bcoz of Himalayan rider is fast as compared to the ktm rider nd in order to avoid collision with ktm bike he pressed brakes hardly. But still your point is valid.👍

@usb6009 Жыл бұрын

I'm riding over 30+ years. Different terrain, different countries. Yes.. ABS is Good and Bad. One need to know when to use it and not to use it. 👍🏻

@wendygerrish4964 Жыл бұрын

But the insurance companies insist on standards requiring these lower cc bikes to have no way to switch abs to 'off' I think in the end more riders will die than corners saved.

@sureshnaik3021 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@jh-moto 19 күн бұрын

Yes, I usually turn off the ABS when I drive off-road. Can in some situations be dangerous to have it on.

@pruthvi0504 3 жыл бұрын

thank you so much sir for educating about ABS with an example vdo. actually i switched off MTC and ABS on my 390 adv when i visited ermai falls. i am going to keep ABS ON from now.

@danielben-avraham1539 4 ай бұрын

A real education vid on ABS would cover the dangers when the system fails which happens often. I have a Himmy that does this quite often and the fix is to simply revert it back to dependable normal hydraulic brakes. I skilled rider has no need for ABS and can do much more with a non ABS bike. I have done it safely for 50 years of off and on road riding with only non ABS systems.

@danielben-avraham1539 4 ай бұрын

Funny, yes I am indeed getting rid of ABS, I am either going to defeat or modify and remove the ABS system completely. Since I bought the bike new, the ABS gave me problems, often life threatening. Sometimes locking the front brake lever momentarily so I was without brakes in hard braking, and then the rear brake makes a loud metallic sound like hitting two pipes together when braking hard, and then the rear wheel momentarily locks up and the fades out completely. I was in the Andes mountains coming down 45 degree declines and the rear brake did this continually for about 1200 meters of the descent. Most of the way down the bike was sliding sideways and scared the crap out of the people I was with. I have been riding bikes for about 50 years and never had any such experience with any other non ABS bike. I spoke with a Colombian mechanic and he recommended to simply remove the ABS system completely to avoid any more problems in the future. ABS is totally unnecessary if you know how to correctly brake a bike. Just feather or pulsate the brake when stopping hard on the street and avoid using the front brake except lightly when in soft dirt or sand.

@nomadprratt3924 3 жыл бұрын

The way you guys ride is unsafe. No distance between riders. High speed overtaking attempts. Inappropriate riding gears for the terrain and speed you guys are trying ABS - depends on the rider entirely I ride a non Abs motorcycle and use the front brake like a feathers touch. Your bound to eat dust if you brake on the front on off road or even a banana peel. Ride safe guys. It's the journey to remember and be back home. Not a one way ride to heaven.

@regorohan 6 ай бұрын

for beginners ABS is a safer option as in this case, but for pro's we have been riding competition motocross, rallies for over 30 years without any ABS. you need to develop the fine art of using brakes, then no abs is always better as you have complete control over your brakes. all these modern rider assists are good, but not necessarily makes you a better rider. makes you a lazy rider .

@NikhilSingh-ro4sx 3 жыл бұрын

Never done any off roading so can’t tell but surely going to buy adv 390 over duke 390 bs6

@hiltonmcconnell2563 3 жыл бұрын

I was to the understanding that on the KTM 390 Adventure that the ABS shut off at the back wheel only and still had a version of ABS on the front wheel. and there only the 2 modes on road and off road.

@WingstoWheels 3 жыл бұрын

On KTM390 Adventure even when you switch off ABS, it still has partial ABS working for the front wheel.

@rahuljoseph8936 2 жыл бұрын

Excuse Me! Himalayan BS6 has a switchable ABS.

@avinashjagadish 3 жыл бұрын

Sir i own a Himlayan BS6 and ABS is switchable.

@WingstoWheels 3 жыл бұрын

Ok, that is good but watchout the point I am making

@dreamchakmalife4048 3 жыл бұрын

👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

@kenkl5204 2 жыл бұрын

He grabbed that front brake. Bad move in that situation. I don't use it as much in the dirt.

@wendygerrish4964 Жыл бұрын

Agree and if he'd had ABS ..that's telling me he isn't going to learn anything about braking ever either.

@hiltonmcconnell2563 3 жыл бұрын

there is no ABS on the DR650 on my second one and no problems as well did not have it on my Suzuki 600 do have it on my Versys 300 X but would never take it on really rough roads just light off road.. Looking at the KTM and think they have the best idea shutting off the back but leaving some on the front. On the DR650 stick to the back break in sand and deep loos gravel, if I do need the front break I will feather it not grab at it. There will always be mess ups but people should practice going off road, and know what they are doing before going that fast and riding in tight groups. You should never come up behind some one that much faster than they are going, that is asking for trouble unless your a very good and experienced rider and never do it to a rider that is not experienced, think about others as well as your self.

@WingstoWheels 3 жыл бұрын

Actually the business of ABS and non ABS has many factors playing apart from the huge variety of terrain you come across when going offroad. Things like tyre tread pattern, tyre pressure, suspension setup, wheel loading and many such things play an important role on braking. Rider's skills can't be questioned if experienced. However in emergency one reacts in a manner as used to otherwise and that's why having some kind of ABS working on front wheel as done on Ktm390Adventure, is always good.

@CyberGasty 2 жыл бұрын

@@WingstoWheels This is more informative on ABS off-road and how it works kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pb1hmbmKl9Oben0.html . Riding on adventure bike better learn to brake with ABS off on off-road rides. This guy was already turning with his wheel trying to avoid you, he would have fallen even with ABS on, since it is not cornering ABS but a standard one for braking in straight line.

@hiltonmcconnell2563 3 жыл бұрын

All bikes do not come with ABS just got my second DR 650 and no ABS also my S40 dose not have ABS, You should state most bikes come with ABS not all.

@WingstoWheels 3 жыл бұрын

As per now new rules in India, ABS has become mandatory on all motorcycles above 125 cc. Yes, it may not be true for many nations.

@wendygerrish4964 Жыл бұрын

A big plus feature on the dr650-no ABS to screw with your braking .

@wendygerrish4964 Жыл бұрын

Why on earth would you hit the front brake in uneven dirt at speed. When I want to lock my brakes its because I need to-it might be an emergency-collision: When going steep downhill abs on means your rear brake will be defeated/switched off. How dumb is that?

@WingstoWheels Жыл бұрын

The rider behind me, in order to Prevent a Collision he applied front brake in panic. Since the ABS was off, wheel locked and the fall. Certainly when going steep downhill, ABS should be OFF.

@joharltachang3131 Жыл бұрын

Abs non abs.. sometimes it depends upon the rider….

@sharadnaik561 3 жыл бұрын

Bs6 Himalayan gets switchable abs..

@WingstoWheels 3 жыл бұрын

That's Good but please watch out the point I am making

@bennyaufreisen2855 5 ай бұрын

there is nothing to think about. off-road no abs. if your not able to break then don't go that fast. enable abs braking in low traction.. no man threre is no brake power

@user-se7vt5ow4e 8 ай бұрын

That fall had nothing to do with ABS he was cross rutted. Riding off-road you need to learn how to slide the front wheel. Find some wet grass and practice riding with the front wheel locked up.