Thinkpad T14s, X13 and Thinkbook 13s comparison
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@YuriShevchouk Жыл бұрын
Holy moly very good in-depth review… you deserve 1000s of subs. :) love it bud
@stefano78 Жыл бұрын
LOL, glad you liked it, man. Happy to make more videos if there are people who can appreciate the finer details of what makes a good laptop ;)
@justme-wh5li Жыл бұрын
thanks so much - really great to hear a normal (non-influencer) on the TP / TB range.... a real opinion! You're right about the premium on business laptops.
@JoshForet Жыл бұрын
Yeah the build quality is my biggest concern with the 13s. I’m very much so on the edge of purchasing it, but build quality is keeping me from making the leap. This was incredibly helpful. If I could catch the 13s even on a slight sale I’d more than likely make the leap
@stefano78 Жыл бұрын
The build quality on the 13s is excellent. And I loved the design which was sleek, solid with quality finishes that felt premium (very much like a Macbook, actually). In terms of quality control, the model in my video showed no imperfections, whereas Thinkpads I've held in hand lately all have had some flaws (like the wobbly touchpad I pointed out in my video). If you are referring to durability then I would say that unless your use case involves a lot of heavyhanded outdoor use, the Thinkbook seems more than ready to last many years of indoor tabletop/laptop use. But yes, the Thinkpad with its chunkier build definitely feels like it can handle rough use. My biggest concern was whether I could live without the Trackpoint and dedicated PageUp and PageDown keys that I have grown accustomed to on the Thinkpad, and whether those things are worth the pretty significant price premium of the Thinkpad line (about $300 more for the same specs). In every other area, such as screen quality, keyboard quality (this one is subjective of course), speaker quality, webcam quality, the Thinkbook is on par with the Thinkpad, and actually better on the last two.
@virilis 3 күн бұрын
thanks for the superb and thorough review!
@neotokyovid Жыл бұрын
Hey, big thanks for making this video. It saved me a lot of money. I wanted a laptop with AMD graphics to work on some projects on Linux, so I ordered a T14 gen 3. Now I realize I made a big mistake since ThinkBook 13s offers a better CPU and GPU at a lower price. I dislike how Lenovo organizes the products on their website; looking for the right product was a big hassle. Please keep it up with great videos like this one.
@jaydarl2 Жыл бұрын
Good layman review without the fluff and gimmicks. I recently bought the X13 Gen3 and am still going through the rounds to see if I will keep it. I had a Bluetooth issue, but ever since I put in a return request it has been working just fine. It did the car not repeating the issue at the mechanic thing. So, I might hold on to it. I bought the ThinkPad because my primary concern was hinges. I have had bad luck with laptop hinges, so when shopping this go round it was all about the hinges. MacBook appears to be the gold standard, but I'm not an Apple guy. In my searches, the ThinkPad T & X series are the best hinges for the buck laptops when you can catch them on sale.
@stefano78 Жыл бұрын
X13 is my favorite model at the moment. It is essentially the same as the T14s except for screen size but it has a smaller, sleeker footprint that I like. Compared to other thin and lights, the T14s just feels a little dated and unwieldy even though it is about the same weight.
@GamerAbderahmane 22 күн бұрын
@@stefano78Hi which one you think is better Lenovo Thinkpad x13 yoga gen 3 or Lenovo Thinkpad T14s gen 3 or the cheaper T14 gen 2 models? My concern is about the screen size i never tried 13 inch screens and idk if it's enough compared to 14 inch screens. I calculate the screens area and there's no much difference except with the T14s as it's bigger with also bigger screen to bdy ratio
@jgm113 Жыл бұрын
I work IT in a medium sized 1000+ fully remote company. I would never, EVER gamble on a thinkbook. They are trash. Buy the T14, it's worth it.
@hanjarake_taro Жыл бұрын
100000000% agree
@waterhill Жыл бұрын
Hi JHP, did you mean T14 or T14s? Are the T14 Intel i5 good for light use?
@jgm113 Жыл бұрын
@@waterhill Yeah they're great, my work machine is a t14 gen 2 with an i5. I have no issues with it other than battery life being just okay. T14s is a thinner version, you lose out on the ethernet port and I think the battery is smaller but don't quote me. Pretty much the same on everything else tho
@waterhill Жыл бұрын
@@jgm113 thanks so much for your reply.
@user-rp6bi5qj1n Жыл бұрын
@@jgm113 And how long does an autonomous battery last? How do you use it during the day???
@blackgold1859 Жыл бұрын
Nice video, I'm actually torn between the T14s and the x13. BTW, what is the battery percentage app are you using?
@airborneranger-ret Жыл бұрын
Overall nicely done :)
@TheDodgefan9 Жыл бұрын
This was a great comparison. I have an X1 Nano which is 13inch instead of the typical 13.3. I'm finding it a bit too small, so the T14s is appealing to me. At work I have a T16, and I find it more comfortable to use despite it only having the base screen. I find I need to turn up the brightness more on my Nano to reduce eye strain.
@user-pc5dk7gp4b Жыл бұрын
I have an x1 nano gen 1 and x1c gen 9 and I find myself using the nano a lot more despite the smaller screen.
@adamwalter2573 Жыл бұрын
just like me - i even had a 12 inch dell some time ago and despite superb quality, the screen was too small fhd. now the only reasonable is either 14 or 15 for a mobile lap.
@10mbc 10 ай бұрын
I usually use the T14 but the Nano Gen1, at 907 grams always appealed to me. While the performance is not nearly close to the T14 Gen3 with Ryzen 7, that portability...
@10mbc 10 ай бұрын
I bought a Thinkbook for my mom because I thought it was pretty solid and 2 years later the hinges are damaged. While her grandchildren most likely played with the laptop, the would have not happened to a Thinkpad. So yes, some compromises are part for the course with the Thinkbooks.
@alexanderstromer5106 3 ай бұрын
awesome review!
@RoughRunnerAce98 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video! Just wanted to ask if you are running any Windows scaling on the Thinkbook? It's just a pet peeve of mine that I don't like scaling, I like running things at native resolution to see more code, but I'm not sure if 13.3 inches is too small for just over 1440p and 16.10 aspect ratio. I know the actual panel is larger and bezels are thinner so its fits a bigger screen in 13.3 inches but just wanted to check! If you set it to 100% scaling can you comfortably read it from a regular distance while typing? I am on a hyperthreaded dual core right now and I'm overdue for an upgrade! Thanks again!
@stefano78 Жыл бұрын
I believe I had it at 125% but don't remember for sure.
@achmadaurin5838 Жыл бұрын
It's working thanks my friend
@user-pc5dk7gp4b Жыл бұрын
The x13 is a tank. Very sturdy laptop.
@ajimbong1623 Жыл бұрын
Great review ❤️
@JtotheRizzo Жыл бұрын
I want to get the TP X13 Yoga Gen3 as it's lighter than the X1 Yoga Gen7 I just bought on black friday. X13 Gen3 has all the same ports, better battery (U-series on X13 vs. P-series on X1 Yoga), great screen, etc. But the X1 Yoga suffers from bad PWM. I wonder if the X13 Gen3 suffers from the same issue.
@Chris-pm7xt Жыл бұрын
Thanks! The 13s G4 is no longer available (at least in my country). Do you know whether the specs and quality of the ThinkBook 13s G4 are also valid for the ThinkBook 14 G4 and 15 G4? Wondering cause the 14 G4 & 15 G4 have a lower price point and have different (worse) connections. Therefore no clue what to think of the keyboard and overall hardware quality. Usually, all these models should have the same hardware specs & quality, right?
@dansotnikov4280 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@iwanhaniyoto Жыл бұрын
All ThinkBook and IdeaPad keyboard not interchangeable, if the keyboard broken, you must disassembly all the body. ThinkPad ports have a reinforcement plate inside, make the ports more durable. Swap the new keyboard is easy on ThinkPad. Disassembly all laptop, and you can see what the different inside.
@HindiOphthalmology 9 ай бұрын
I just needed a laptop for my basic tasks and got an older T14s with 5850U CPU, 16Gb RAM and 500 nits screen for 670 USD. I think it will serve me well for some years.
@lebaminhquang Жыл бұрын
I just bought the Thinkpad Neo 14, basically a Thinkbook 14p with Thinkpad look and keyboards for like $85 more, the only downside is that it is China-only model so I have to buy through a person in China, and shipping take a very long time. In the end it's worth it, I just re-install Win11 in English and it's good to go. It has Ryzen 7 6800H with 2K mate screen, 16GB very fast 6400MHz quad channel DDR5 and 512GB of Gen 4 SSD, and guess what, it only costs me $915!!!
@andrewcatubig9239 Жыл бұрын
Also torn between Neo 14 and Thinkbook 14. Since both have nearly the same specs, would you know how the thermal performance is on Thinkbook?
@smokecigar Жыл бұрын
Amazing comparison. I just received yesterday my X13 gen 3 AMD. I was also surprised how thick it is. But my biggest issue is the smaller keyboard. The keys are noticeably smaller than on my current Surface Laptop 13.5" . Also the touchpad is just too small, when using double finger to scroll, I keep running out of space and touch the dedicated buttons. Can you confirm the keys on the T14s are bigger than the X13, and is the touchpad bigger also or same size? Because im considering buying the T14s and selling the X13, brand new. The T13s would be actually perfect for me BUT as you mentioned the thermals seem to be a deal breaker (unless its possible to fix in bios)
@stefano78 Жыл бұрын
When I first got the X13 (Gen 2), and I was coming from a T480s with the deeper key travel, I felt the X13 keyboard was noticeably smaller and shallower, but after a few months, I love it. I don't even know which keys are smaller anymore (I think it's some of the double width keys like shift, tab, enter and capslock. The rest are full size. And I still do use a full size mechanical keyboard when my X13 is docked so I can assure you, you'll quickly get used to the X13 keyboard even if you use other, larger keyboards on a daily basis. I wound up returning the T14s. To be fair, I'm sure I would have gotten used to the T14s keyboard, even if I didn't like the rough surface texture. But the T14s, with its larger footprint, thicker chassis, just feels more chunky and dated, like it belongs in 2015 and not 2022. I spent a bit more time with the Thinkbook 13s and ultimately could not live without the Trackpoint so I went back to my X13 lol. And yes, the thermals and more frequent fan noise annoyed me. Hope this helps!
@smokecigar Жыл бұрын
@@stefano78 Thanks for the reply. I'm an IT freelancer so this next laptop will literally be used every single day to make a living. I just came across the Thinkpad Z13. Its a new line, a bit more modern, but still rocking the same 6850U AMD. Super large keyboard and touchpad. What do you think?
@stefano78 Жыл бұрын
@@smokecigar The Z13 looks really nice and could be a good option for people who want the Thinkpad build quality and the trackpoint. I haven't held one in hand though, so can't speak for its keyboard but it appears the key travel is quite shallow and there are no dedicated PgUp, PgDn, Home and End keys, which I value, and the port selection is pretty limited. For me, personally, the Z13 is something I would look at in a couple more years when USB-C will cover all my accessories. For the moment, I still appreciate having HDMI, USB-A, etc. and so I will probably stick with a more "traditional" Thinkpad for a few more years.
@user-ik5qi6cw1x Жыл бұрын
Comparing to x1 carbon, T14s amd may attract me more. 10th x1 carbon have many problems especially it cannot work too long without plug. And T14 without "s" show no special advantages to HP elitebook. It's hard for me to choose a 14 inch thinkpad. I'm a really newer of thinkpad and if lenovo dosen't make any changes i will think should i need a thinkpad anymore.
@mitbedacht1285 Жыл бұрын
Very nice Video. Thank you for the explanation. My Lenovo is 6 years old. The x13 gen 2 is on sale in our country, r7 5850u, 16gb, und 500gb ssd for 700 Euro, instead of 1200+ Euro. I guess it's worth the money? Is the use case fine for it, if I use it 80% docked? Edit: Notebooks with 6800u Cost above 1,5k Euro+ here at the moment.
@edalder2000 Жыл бұрын
I need to replace a 4 year old ThinkPad e585 because it won't support Win 11. I watched this video and found a Thinkbook 13s G2 intel 11th gen i5 for $450. I bought it immediately. Ryzen may be the better CPU, but that price is a steal.
@ericjohnson5990 Жыл бұрын
The e14 thinkpad has the same configuration as the x13 but between $800 to $900
@ithinkabout4369 Жыл бұрын
The key travel on the T14s G3 and X13 G2 / G3 is 1.5 mm, not 1.4 mm
@yuanjiebao9739 Жыл бұрын
thanks for the nice review. how about heat and noise level? during light work use, such as WORD, PDF, how is the noise level?
@stefano78 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! No noticeable heat or fan noise during everyday use. Maybe if you open several websites with heavy graphics/video at the same time, the fans may kick in for a bit but it is not loud. This is true even for my x13 which has the 7nm Ryzen 5650u. The T14s with the 6850u is built on 6nm which is even more power efficient. Unless you are doing gaming or video processing that requires sustained cpu the laptop runs cool and fans are either not running or running at very low power and noise levels.
@yuanjiebao9739 Жыл бұрын
@@stefano78 Many thanks, please have a good day.
@yanuthDailyLife Жыл бұрын
❤
@linhtrantuan1655 Жыл бұрын
Maybe thinkbook can’t compete with thinkpad with durability, but their quality build is surprising in price range.
@bsdpowa 7 ай бұрын
I've had a T490 (before it was called T14) for years and then bought a Thinkbook 13s and regretted it. It's been nearly 4 years now and it's still running fine and the battery is still decent, but it's no Thinkpad I tell you that. I miss the original keyboard, magnesium shell and its beautiful design. Thinkbook line is a completely different computer, I don't think you can make comparison. In fact I will argue that there's only one Thinkpad and that's the T line.
@indasiagivens6148 7 күн бұрын
I need a keyboard for my Lenovo thinkbook but I can’t find one online. Someone please help!
@hanjarake_taro Жыл бұрын
the rough texture is because you selected non backlit confog
@stefano78 Жыл бұрын
No - it was backlit
@thariqbas Жыл бұрын
How about the material of thinkbook and thinkpad? Is it all same?
@stefano78 Жыл бұрын
No. Both are solid, but the Thinkbook exterior is brushed aluminum while the Thinkpad has a black textured coating. I'm not sure what the Thinkpad is made of anymore - I think a combination of magnesium and plastic and it depends on the model. The Thinkbook will feel cold as it is metal when you touch it (obviously the palm rest will warm up if your hands rest on it) while the Thinkpad does not because of the coating. I personally like the Thinkpad more as it is solid everywhere while the Thinkbook has some areas which exhibit some flex where the aluminum is thinner. It's still very solid and elegant looking. Just base your decision on which look you prefer, I guess.
@HungLe.Michael 8 ай бұрын
nice comparison, i will choose thinkbook, it's good for my wallet :D
@gianlucab2261 Жыл бұрын
Do you know "Andrew Marc David" channel? you 2 have the exact same voice 😲 but your hands are much less hairy...
@stefano78 Жыл бұрын
LOL. Yes I have seen his videos. Excellent observation… he is one hairy dude and I am not hahaha
@adamwalter2573 Жыл бұрын
I had it as a cmpany dev machine. Touchpad - 1/10, screen 5/10, weight 10/10, gpu 1/10.
@XLR-zw4tn Жыл бұрын
which one
@adamwalter2573 Жыл бұрын
t14s. dont get me wrong, but for me this unit is of very low quality (too thin plastic). also, that gpu really was a bottleneck. after switching to amd or dedicated gpu, despite slower cpu, i could feel a big difference - everything was "faster". i think intel should drop itd igpu and concentrate on external one with a few power plans. otherwise ppl will drop their cpus to amd, or intel will fire..oh wait 😀
@XLR-zw4tn Жыл бұрын
@@adamwalter2573 which configuration and was it a Gen 3 T14S ?
@samegemba1741 Жыл бұрын
@@adamwalter2573 are you a gaming dev, you seem focused on the GPU?
@adamwalter2573 Жыл бұрын
@@samegemba1741 no, I'm not a gamer at all. I just want to say that the performance of the current IGPU is far from expectations. I know, power draw matters here and is shared between CPU/IGPU, but Intel seems to make a big mistake when it comes to power draw (limit) for igpu. Hence, reducing the overrall speed/feeling of using those notebooks. Oh, I owned some Lenovo some time ago P14 or P15, dont remember, and it was with Quattro GPU. Seemed to be slower in benchmarks, but the general feeling was that it was far superior than Intel one. In short - Intel looses its position more than expected, that's why people start to choose AMD solutions. Sad, but true.
@eddieoconnor4466 Жыл бұрын
I don't know when it happened?..(some say its when Lenovo bought out IBM) but for some reason?....from my very first ThinkPad..(a T-400)....right up to my current ones (T-460....T-470...and an E15 Gen3) and I LOVE them!...I also have 2 T-420's and a T-430 from back in the days that are ALL still running smoothly (all running Linux) and believe my...even though I have a Dell XPS 15 and a Huawei MateBook X Pro (my MacBook clone...got Catalina to install and run on it!) but my "go to" machines?...the ones I "trust" to take outside the house?....the ones that I', learning coding (Python C++) on?..the ones I plan on keeping maintained and running for as long as the make parts for it?...are my Thinkpads...there's just SOMETHING about those keyboards....man!! And the ease of upgrading the RAM...the SSD...and then installing any version of Linux that I need?...not to mention take a look on ebay and you can find replacement parts for the T-400 right on through to some of the X1 Carbon series!! Whatever "formula" they combined to come up with the magic of these laptops?...I hope they never change it! Now I'm thinking I might want to go full blown desktop and get a ThinkCentre...with an AMD in it...I could literally bump up the specs to an internal 4TB SSd and 32GB of RAAM...(I COUDLE go 64GB or 128?...but 32 should be good!!)