Excellent info. Thank you. I pinned you on top so everyone can see it.

If you need very small amount of Naphta check Zippo Fuel or lighter fuel that is Swan in the UK. Zippo Fuel/Swan is also Naptha.

Ronsonol lighter fluid is VM &P naphtha. Also any brand of Camp Fuel is generally TOP quality VM&P naphtha WITHOUT benzene, which is nasty anyway and I can't think of a single use for naphtha anywhere in my wheelhouse that would require it to be benzenated. Good info here. Naphtha is an amazing and very versatile chemical that must be used responsibly. I disagree with government bans on many things with naphtha being one. Thank God I know about Coleman fuel being pure naphtha. Back in the day there was what they called 'white gas,' which was just gasoline without additives. It was directly made FROM naphtha as it's a lighter fraction than naphtha and some gasoline was even blended with naphtha a part of the additive package used to help carry other additives. Well aside from vaporizing much faster than naphtha and being even more volatile and therefore explosive, it was also responsible for many engines getting damaged or destroyed because a mislabeled container or simply someone ignorant of the necessary anti knock additives that MUST be added to gasoline used in automobiles to prevent detonation, folks were putting it in engines and causing catastrophic damage. The additive for this anti knock used to be tetra ethyl lead. HIGHLY toxic.... And so the opposite was occuring, people were putting good ol ethyl gas in their cookstoves and tent heaters and lanterns!! So Coleman and just about every other 'camp fuel,' manufacturer switched to pure naphtha. You think naphtha is hard to find?! Try finding REAL white gas! Good thing naphtha is a great replacement for it. A side note. You can I indeed run UNLEADED gas in any Coleman camp fuel appliance. Shhhh don't tell I told you. They LOVE it when you pay $14 bucks a gallon for their Coleman branded naphtha!

I have discovered the reason. It is not an oil based hydrocarbon. It has to do with what the silicone is blended with at the factory, an oil based solvent, and will be included in my next silicone Q&A video.

Valuable info, thanks Mate.

Wonderful! Now everything is gonna be alright.

Petroleum Ether in can be highly flammable (or is it combustable), evaporates at 35-40C in the fastest evaporating variant.

Thats sexist. It should either be called HeLite or Theylite!

Is that the same as Paraffin?

​​@@VoiviNo. Paraffin is a more refined and distilled version of kerosene.

Glad it was helpful!

My pleasure, indeed.

I may just do that. Thank you.

The Coleman I used had a hole in the pump to lubricate with an oil... I thought the whole idea of Coleman White Gas was to burn incredibly clean. An oil wouldn't.

@@transkryption - it is a trace amount as far as clean burning goes, but enough that it could affect it’s use as a solvent for other purposes. Windex contains oil too... as the “anti streaking agent,” so is a horrible choice for cleaning something you want certain types of adhesives and sealants to stick to. In both cases, they are put there (when they are) in a small enough quantity not to disrupt the main function of the liquid, but at the same time provide some added “benefit”

Learnt something new. Didn't know that about Windex...makes a lot of sense why my dashcam could be falling off. I assumed it was the heat on the windshield heating up the rubber.

@@GEOsustainablehave you tried that?

Glad I could help. My pleasure. Yeah, this will be ideal for your project.

Well, thank you. I am glad you enjoyed.

Yep, you are in good shape. Mineral Spirits will work just fine.

I mean you regular commercial thinner

Yes, paint thinner is the same as mineral spirits. Same product with different names.

@@GEOsustainable ah i see, thank you for the info.. I got confused about that because information i got from the internet said that they're different product.

Thinner PU .

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.

Personal choices. Nails are what I set in silicone. Cornstarch speeds the cure. Thanks for watching

Yep. It depends on the state or country. That's government for you.

the usual thing is they legislate so they can only be used by licensed manufacturers. There are always retailers who will sell it to you.Currently £ 9 per litre from UK seller on Ebay

It makes sense to me too. I would say yes, and I have to try it. I love the idea, and it suits my channel well. Thank you for sharing.

I drink Turpentine when I've ran out of booze. It has serverly damage my eyesight. Who should i contact?

Not sure about the turpentine, but boiled linseed oil is often mixed with beeswax for waterproofing.

A question I have answered so many times I made a new video about it. You have great timing as it is still recent. Watch here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g9hpga2JsMe7lYk.html Enjoy!

It's the VOC. Like the little evolved from Naphtha is a problem in comparison to car exhaust. It is government acting like they care and finding someone to blame. Governments rush to regulate what they don't understand, so they take advice from industry, and sometimes industry has an agenda...surprise, surprise. Naphtha is a valuable component of something industry can charge 100 times more for what is cheap now.

Is mineral spirits the same as white spirit in the UK that has hydrocarbons. About to find out. Hope so . Thanks

@@watergirl6174 Yes it is - you might find some in your dads shed under the older name turpentine substitute or just plain turps. Works just as well as naptha .

It is, but not pure Naphtha, and only for now. It is mixed with something to lower the flame point. But it will work. It is also very expensive in that amount.

@@GEOsustainable Thanks for the reply and the continued experimentation. I can't get Naphtha in my location either so appreciate you saving me the cost of having to experiment on my own. Here we have something called "Solvable Mineral Spirits". It's advertised as a more "gentle" form of mineral spirit which I suspect means additives of some kind. Looks like straight up mineral spirits may go the way of Naphtha so experimenting on my own may be in my future after all.

My pleasure, and I think I did a video you would be interested in, really. I did 2 that meet your criteria. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ec9ia7xkv5nGiYk.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qtx1Z9uqy5zYfYE.html Although I did not cover it in these, each is non-volatile and the solvents can completely recovered. Both are food safe.

@@GEOsustainable Splendid. I will have to give them a watch. Thanks!

Turpentine is basically pine tree essential oil.

Don't let it bother you

@@manjichromagnon5480 true, it won't hurt you. But it didn't work for me in this, it thinned, but would not cure.

I have never tried Acetone, but I hear that it works. This needs to be my next silicone video. I am not sure you can cure silicone like that, but give it a try and let us know. I am thrilled you liked and subed. Stay tuned as I get into a lot of things.

Really? I always thought I would put people to sleep if I talked too much. And, these projects take days sometimes and I wanted to make sure at least the action was included. Thanks so much for your feedback. My latest video is 42 minutes long and only 2 minutes of music (and I talk through it too.), if you want to give me another chance. I do plan on making my next silicone video a Q&A, that should be good I think.

I totally agree! I would love to hear what you're seeing when you're testing things out... love your videos! Thank you!

Awesome. Thanks.

I didn't know it had the 2 cycle oil in it. I've used camp fuel/white gas for thinning silicone--doesn't seem to greatly affect the drying process with the oil in it.

I have to agree, however our brilliant government bans it because of the VOC evolution when evaporating. A feeble attempt to reduce Green House gases.. With so many other greater contributors to this problem, they pick one that will have very little affect, yet politicians can claim they are doing something. We have a saying, 'Only in America', to describe nonsensical governance. It's BAN creates a huge problem for industry here too...specifically the automotive paint shops. Not to worry, it is still the major component in products such as fuel, that is not being banned, which is the largest contributor of Green House gases. Our government goes after the smallest contributor in a clocked effeort to show action to Americans. I just can't say things like this in videos. It costs 4 times that much here, about 10 USD per Liter.

@@GEOsustainable im not surprised at all /sigh

Thank you. That is great information. Thanks so much for sharing.

@@GEOsustainable we also used it before to coat some fabric, this one was dry enough within a day, a warm summer day. used it outside and that one doesn't smell like turpentine anymore. that is most likely due to it being an thinner film and it being exposed to wind, water, sun, and heat a lot more, that fabric was also coated more than a year ago but after a short time it didn't give a smell anymore. so terpentine is still usable, however mostly just if it is used for something like coating fabric, otherwise it might work if it is warmed up for a while afterwards since for those 2 molds I made half a year ago, the smallest one is almost (terpentine)smell less when cold and not bend a lot, however when it get warmer and flexed somewhat it starts to give of a slight terpentine smell when smelling closely, it is a lot less than in the first weeks, and it also doesn't really give irritation anymore if you touch it for to long. so if your terpentine one won't lose it's smell, yet you still want to use it then you can try to put it in a ventilated space and keep it slightly warm while also adding in some movement/flex to get it sped up if it doesn't work since I do not know if it was just the slight warmth, or if the movement also played a role. just added this, because based on what I wrote people might think terpentine is completely unusable for it, while it is actually usable for as long as it is either used for real thin objects, or if it is left to let the stuff out really well, and possibly accelerated by heat and light. and since terpentine is a natural product it would be a better choice in that sense if it works well for the specific project.

I was thinking of making my own silicon sealant for a dam liner that I use at home for some water based plants (azolla). This is the easiest way as the plastic probably has multiple holes water seaps through slowly. I wonder if this turpentine/turpentine smell could affect the plants negatively

@@apepanthera well if you use it to waterproof cloth you can make it dry in the open sun and let it get hot, the objects I made are around 2cm high at the highest point, so they will keep the smell a lot longer than thin materials or films. when we coated a piece of cotton using terpentine thinned silicone kit it lost it's smell in a few days, heat and sunlight make the smell disappear faster, so it is worth trying that, early on it is also the worst it gets less bad. for seals you could just directly use the silicone kit it it typically meant to dry within a day so you shouldn't get weird things like that. but what exactly did you want to do, what kind of a sealant, how big, etc. in most cases you can just make it dy on a warm temperature in direct sunlight to make it lose its smell faster, if you have a thicker layer it might not go as fast, you can look into if your plants like or dislike it by searching for if they like terpentine. some plants respond well to normally dangerous toxins .blue-green algae for example suddenly starts to grow extremely fast and well when it gets exposed to at least a little ammonium,(i think, it could also be another acid). more makes it grow faster but even small amounts can fill a huge lake with blue-green algae, in Netherlands there has been quite a blue-green algae plague the last years because people use that stuff to remove weeds from the pavement, a little of that eventually reaches the lakes which caused extreme amounts of blue-green algae. so you should look into your plants, perhaps they will grow better because of it. but for waterproofing a tarp and just sealing a edge it will work well without much smell. for other things, you can look into what it needs to do, sometimes you can easily use different materials and only use the silicone at very specific points. if you have some kind of drawings or such that would make it more easy for me to help. right now just mostly think about the following things, thick silicone which had been thinned with terpentine will contain a lot of terpentine for very long. high temperature and light will make it go away much faster. to high temperature will damage the silicone, so if you find the right temperature you could likely get most out in a very fast pace. the high temperature here was around 30 degrees celsius, you can get it much hotter. before affecting the silicone.

Acetone

Yeah, different states have the ban. I was told by my supplier he can't buy it anymore because of the ban. Pity for some of us. I liked Naphtha much more than Mineral Spirits. I can buy it next state over, but it would be illegal to bring in my state. So, I use other things now. Turns out, Mineral oil works and you can put that on babies. So, lot's of options.

Sheeeeeeeeee

Yea well we cant even get menerial spirits here in CALIFORNIA.

Yes, you may be talking about NightHawkLight. He found my video and used the formula to make a sheet into a tarp. Say hi to him for me. He really helped my channel get off the ground. And his idea is incredible, worth watching his video.

When working with highly flammable things....don't smoke. The cigarette won't ignite it but lighting the cigarette may trigger a secondary ignition you don't want. Don't use a lighter when working with flammable materials. Wear a respirator too. P.S. using an Amazon Fire Stick around it is perfectly safe.

@@GEOsustainable Yes He's great.

@@GEOsustainable Thank you so much for the info.

& I was just there watching his vid, then I remembered about someone the other day mentioning in a chat was about naptha moth balls being banned for outside is how I found this vid for an alternative 😉

Wow

Any suggestions?

Good points.

I assume you meant mineral spirits, which is entirely different from mineral oil.

Yes, I always use a release agent. My favorite is DAWN dish soap. I made a video using it on plaster that will show you how to apply it to any surface. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aptirJx3tp3FYIE.html Great question. One I wish more folks would ask before.

Sure thing, my pleasure.

Correct. White Spirits is what it is called Europe. I really need to upload my new video , it answers this question. Anything made from petroleum works

@@GEOsustainable Found a few other names with a formula. Petroleum Ether being the oldest one. That comes is a few ranges of flashpoints 40-60C, 60-80C, even upto 120C as we are talking mixes of carbohydrates. Don't know the flashpoint of your on the shelf Naptha? A tarp gets expensive quick, as a liter is around 10 bucks closer to 20 including postage. Cheapest tube 280ml (not the 310) is 4 euro at dollar store type store. Even a metal oil drum with 200L is around 800 Euro.

"white spirit" is turpentine substitute, at least in England, and not the same as "white gas" (Coleman fuel). Petroleum ether is the lab name, I'd be inclined to try unleaded for similar properties, unless the additives leave a residue.

@@highloughsdrifter1629 And what temperature? Varies from 35-40 to 140-160.

Fabulous! We have confirmation of a much debated solvent. Thanks so much. A appreciate your info. I have been forgetting to try it. Sort of getting bored with silicone and have moved into gardening and growing indoors. Hope you have a look.

But you have to be careful of what substrate you are applying acetone to, because it is a more harsh solvent for things like polyester, nylon, etc. Some of us use thinned silicone to treat fabrics for DIY DWR's or waterproofing (often in the camping and backpacking world).

@@justinw1765 do you know, can acetone be used if you are using the silicone for cotton waterproofing? For example for a simple trap tent?

I had trouble mixing it with egg scrambler. Maybe the bag method would work. Or you need the starch

I have never tried RTV silicone. I don't know. You can try and let us know.

No, it won't. Once silicone has cured, it is set. I have seen a lady that recycles it using silicone oil. She mixed it for days. I will look into this and do a video real soon. I will also try to link the lady. Great question.

@@GEOsustainable Thank you so much!

Maryland for me. I don't know what other states; go to the store and find out. All other countries on earth, except the USA for several years now. Oil based paint as well, gone. Why? Because it releases VOC's (volatile organic compounds). Lighter fluid and White gas are safe...for now. Naphtha in particular has a bad history. For those in automotive industry, regular handing has been linked to nerve damage and loss of feeling in the hands from absorption and chronic Migraine from breathing it. Lot's of folks like me that used to get into it crafting also experience some loss of feelings in my fingers. I took more care after my fingers went numb after using it. I also get Cluster Migraines now, late in life, which is abnormal. Thanks for watching, I hope I have provided several other alternatives that will work for you. Stay tuned, in my EV Solar Panel build videos coming, I use yet another non-volatile solvent I have discovered to thin silicone to increase dielectric strength of the wiring.

Good to know, thanks!

Turpinetine is made from distilling tree sap pine tar and is very natural when made properly

Thanks jack

Cool, but I was born in the USA, yeah, born in the USA, where I got my first kick just hittin' the ground. Where government has the task of protecting us from ourselves or something. It is being banned in many US states. Perhaps I should have mentioned this as my audience is international. I am preparing a video that will clear up some of this. Thank you for your info, that will be good news to Brits.

Sure is. Here is a new video I did doing just that. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y56khLGclcm2Z4U.html

I've never tried it. Any solvent that starts out dinosaurer should work.

That was my first thought too !!!!! It would smell better 😎😎

It won't dry as fast.

My pleasure.

I haven't tried those, but sounds reasonable.

Thanks for the info. Not to be confused with the Coleman fuel that is in the pressure vessel, which is propane.

All airplane and jet fighters f16 use naphtha I get many time a go from my uncle work on military base 200l it's amazing engine parts cleaner and engine flush....

I think you're right. A lot of folks are recommending it. Thanks for confirming.

I am not sure what zibro is, but pretty much any solvent that started out as dinosaurer will work.

@@GEOsustainable zibro is The brand of a petroleum heater that I have

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You are in luck. I did a video to answer this and a couple other questions. Check it out here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g9hpga2JsMe7lYk.html

@@GEOsustainable Cheers bud!

Yep, and for Maryland, the Kailfornia wannabe. What's annoying is this is a fake 'do something for the environment' thing by another state. Don't have to solve problems as long as it looks like you are trying. Politics should be illegal in America.

It is time for a Master Class video. Thank you. I will make sure I include that. Thank you for watching.

Not yet. You can be the first. Let us know how it works. Great question.

Easy. Thin it will water.

I made a tool I needed and turned on the camera. Make anything you like with this mix. Thanks for watching!

@@GEOsustainable mineral spirits = paint thinner ?

At a guess, he needs a thin silicone sheet with a grid of holes.

I don't know. A wireless cheapo. I have switched to iPhone now It is a real problem syncing sound and video in iMovie, most likely most video editing programs. With a phone, I can just upload the complete video without any of that.

VOC (volatile organic compound). It is our respective governments pretending to do something about global warming. Although car emissions are by far the most damaging to the earth, governments go after a few people that want to paint.

@@GEOsustainable its not !!

It is not banned in the UK

@@GEOsustainable And industrial factories are worse than car emissions.

@@GEOsustainable solution to their planned hoax plant more hemp or bamboo (if there's a non invasive type bamboo), we need carbon too if see Dr. Eric Berg's video about carbonated water

I don't recommend breaking the law. No one is special enough for that. If you don't like the ban, seek to have the law revoked. There are safer and less expensive options to thin silicone. I don't understand the attraction of it. You can't grow without change. Consider being a law biding subject.

@@GEOsustainable The day they ban alcohol or gambling as being serious risks to mental and physical health or perhaps crush your car for doing 31 in a 30mph limit then i might start taking them a bit more seriously.

Indeed, the same.

So I have heard. And Charcoal Lighter fluid. Makes one wonder why it is banned in Hardware stores that carry it in safety cap metal cans. Must be a lot of paintin' goin' on, goin' on. But yeah, pretty much any hydrocarbon borne solvent will do the trick, and those that are not hydrocarbon borne solvents will not work, 'cause I have tried a lot of ideas from folks and that seems to be where the chemistry is going.

Yes, pretty much because it is a very volatile petroleum product. Easily absorbed and respirated, linked to reproductive failures. Volatile enough to get into your DNA.

In America, I do not advise taking a banned substance across state lines. I did think of it, and determined it would be illegal to do that. Then there is the thought of getting in a collision with Naphtha in the trunk. The making an explosive situation. I live next to the border between 2 states, and Naphtha is available in the neighboring state. A short 5 minute drive. However, because of the 2 reasons I gave above, I made a video using suitable alternatives. Enjoy!

Perhaps 4 hours of watching me? You're probably right and I'll start doing real time segments. Hunting for music is also a pain.

Sure are. Thanks for posting.

I don't know. I have not tried every single alternative folks dream up. Buy a can and try it. Although I am possitive I have answeed this in other videos.

I would not recommend. As well as being a controlled substance, it smells.

Solve a problem. You made me look. LOL

@@GEOsustainable you set that one up for me, too easy, but thanks.

Parhaps

You must not live in Maryland or another of the states that...LOW AND BEHOLD DON'T SELL IT. jackass In America, retailers are allowed to sell existing stock, but they will not be able to reorder it... Hence my title 'IS BEING'. If you live in a state that this is happening, stock up, and once that is exhausted, watch this video.

@@GEOsustainable Then your fatass should make sure the video title is accurate.

@@GEOsustainable Also, the expression is not LOW and behold; it's LO and behold. Maybe you sniffed too much naphtha as a kid and that's why they banned it!

@@GEOsustainable interstate commerce, jackass just order it, jackass and stop living in such a shithole, you could live somewhere else, or just stop living. either is fine by me

I am going to whoop on your simple _ss a bit more, if you keep reading. The Internet Search Engines will give you results even if they don't have the item in stock. Amazon will sell you a rocket ship. My challenge is to GO TO a Home Depot and see if you can buy it. I want you to waste the time and gas learning about Internet Search Results. Basically what you are seeing are results because they once in time sold it OR it fits in a CATEGORY they are in the business of.