“No need to aim let the hand of stalin aim for you”- Phlydaily 2018

The Pantsir can also lock on up to 4 targets at once, totally balanced.

Honestly, one very important thing that people miss about it makes it even stronger than it seems. The problem is that the missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.

Hopefully they finally will increase the render range to 50 km or so

welp this is great

Vehicles like this would be amazing if Gaijin were to make operation maps like Afghanistan available to ground too

This AA can destroy you while the JET on its side cannot see you because beyond a certain distance, the game engine does not display the models of ground vehicles, nice balance gaijin 👍

So the Pantsir not only has the TWS mode, it's also a non-standard radar band, so RWR in game doesn't react to it anyways. It doesn't just not alert you about TWS, it never tells you you're being tracked at all. Lovely.

The best way to balance this is to have Russia always face Russia until other nations get something comparable.

I love how it isn't even visual distance but render distance

They actually increased render/view distance to 20km in this update.

Long distance killing in warthunder has gone nuts.. helis are insane, planes are insane already

14:07 lmao the 2 cruisers having a dogfight

2:49 I audibly gasped, WTF WHO THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS BALANCED

How are you doing, dude. I just wanted to say that you make my day 10 times better when you post, so thank you.

The milk truck final form

So from what I remember they have to be within a specific angle to lock multiple targets together in the patch notes

To me it looks like if the flarakrad and tunguska had a kid lol, great vids as always though!!!

"a very fast high five coming towards you" 😂

Honestly, Its gonna be so stupidly OP that I'm not even looking forward to it... Would've wanted to see the TOR or SA-8 OSA way before the pansir..

Finally a Kamaz, we got snowrunner in war thunder!

I think the double locking mode is for intercepting missiles more than shooting down multiple planes.

Captrain here: in order to bring a truck the fastest way to stop, you downshift your gear in order to use the "engine break". It helps to reduce stress/workload of the breaks. *_flies away_*

They finally added Truck-Kun. May the Isekai rituals commence.

Love how one of the most advanced surface to air systems is being added to the game 😂

I can have the most sophisticated sam system in the world but if you can't keep tires on it then it belongs to the enemy tractors. LOL.

I might be wrong, but if memory serves, the missile is radio guided, with the only sensor the missile has being proximity, if that. All control and guidance being ground side, making it cheap to operate and use.

The only aircraft to out maneuver a 32g missile 16:59 ofc 💀

The TOR for comparison can only launch SAMs at 12KM but the lead on the missile is better on the TOR

Pantsir so OP in-game but irl it can't defend air bases in Crimea from old soviet era drones lol

It’s nice to see they modeled notching. Where traveling at a 90 degree angle beats the radar tracking of the missile. Also it’s funny that this is here and the patriot isn’t a year later even the patriot was technically first developed earlier

The reason he has to down shift ist because Gaijin cannot model a proper gear and rev use to this day. Like no kidding, I still have no clue at all why the tank driver revs like a madman whenever he stopped.

How i am not suprised russians got something best again... :D

9:25 that boom before he crashes is so funny for some reason

Gaijin: *puts these on EC maps for maximum mental torture*

Classic gaijn giving one nation a next gen vehicle while everyone else gets nothing. Germany is still stuck with 2 top tier mbt’s

I hope the f14 get's its tracking of 6 targets via tws back

Phly, I would love to see you play on more custom servers. The one you're playing on in the video is owned my AussieMantis, and he has one in regular non-dev server

Glad you liked the ship spawn above the building!😄(I made the map) @PhlyDaily

OK. Avoiding 10.3+ until other nations get their equivalents. Got it.

The IRL issue that is causing the Anti-air debalance is that the Soviets/Russia were obsessed with anti-air cover for its ground forces and thus made as many anti-air vehicles as they did tanks and apc/ifvs. Where as NATO felt that they would more than likely have air-superiority (which probably would have been the case) and thus didn't have the need for anything more than tactical level SAMs (Patriots/Hawks) and MANPADs. Yes I know many of the euro nations made quality vehicles like the Falcon, Gepard and the various SAMs, but no nation was as prolific in their AA/SAM vehicles as the Soviets/Russia. Also I feel like this is getting put in game because they're developing the Shrike/HARM anti-radiation missiles and will eventually add those.

I feel like once stealth aircraft are added this should be bumped up 8j br to them

With such range and visibility of missiles, cas will struggle. Hopefullly they willl add some sort of missile alert for modern jets at least.

Apparently the missile itself doesn't have a seeker. It relies on the launch vehicle to radio course corrections to it. An RWR might pick up the tracking radar but won't get a missile warning because the radar doesn't look like it changes to a dedicated guidance mode.

"A-A humble truck" heh.. hehehe see what we did there

Yes this is exactly what we needed

Speaking of insanity could you try and play the aml-90/eland?

In real life, all those missile tubes would be filled with toilet paper rolls.

Ooo we get to see what weapon's been used in the killfeed now nice!

Lets go more vids! love your vids, I hope you and your kid is doing well!

Day 256: Phly, you should play the Hampden TB Mk I. High-yield, low-tier bomber goodness

We need anti-radar missile now, please...

19:30 and therefore you can do only SEAD not DEAD, by disabling the aa and then go for tanks with Maveriks or so

hey phly, highly recommend phlying the bv 138 in ground rb and just gunship all the byplanes and open tops, its extremly fun

Day 3: teach the kid that the A-10 says BRRRRTTTT

The cruisers in 14:04 are too funny lmao

Well, playing against SA-22 Pantsir is fun in DCS, I wonder how playing it against jets it sees because stealth doesn’t exist feels like.

This thing shouldn't have been added, its grossly overpowered. I'll remind you, this is only .3 BR higher than the Otomatic, that can only hit targets dumb enough to fly in a straight line for the 15 seconds of flight time.

In reality, it can’t shoot down a drone from the 1980’s 😂😂😂

I know in our sph its an “automatic” but manually shifted and to go into neutral you have to go through each gear but if your in high gear and stop without shifting it will absolutely stall out

Please do the XM-1(GM)!! Please Philly

0:15 “wipe anyway our tiers.”

phly you forget some stuff about the this spaa it can shot at the move and it can lock 4 targets and shot them down at the same time !

Day 489: Phly, I challenge you to get 8 kills in one game with the SU-5-1. This MBT/Tank Destroyer is severely underloved in your channel.

It should spawn on roofs

I have to wonder what effect AI might have on missile tracking algorithms. Like, give the missile radar, IR, and TV guidance packages, and let the on-board AI evaluate the inputs from each and determine which is the real target.

"The rocket knows were it is by knowing were it isn't"

Next up: HIMARS in WT :D

There goes another match making breaker "Shoots SACLOS SAM fire on the move

When you have more golden eagles than silver lions 😮😮😮

To me, with the current maps' widths, the Pantsir seems a little gimmicky. There's not that much of an advantage being able to shoot down planes at 15+ km, when visual obstacles (tree lines, buildings, mountains etc.) are blocking sight and reduce it to a range, where other AA's are preforming roughly the same.

sucks in real life completely OP in game good job Gaijin

So I can kill drones with this thing? Sign me up

4:26 I know that my question maybe sounds stupid: but how do you open that panel to change weapon mode?

It seems to be working better in Warthunder then in real life 🤦😅

Love the content Phly, keep it up! Combo time, non premium p61 black widow and m4a2. Attempt 149

"AAARREEE YEEEEE WEEAARRRRRRIINNGG AAA PRRROOOOPEEEER KIIILLTT?!?!?" "No sir, I got the PANT,SIR"

So happy to have you back phly

CAS got you down? The all new Pantsir, the solution to all your problems!

I see actual potential for SEAD planes like the F-15/18. I know the game is slightly biased, but I can see ways to balance it out.

Is gaijin trying to compensate for real world Russia? Because they're getting a lot of best in game vehicles that aren't needed and have questionable performance.

The CAS stopper 3.0, i'm going to love this !

The polite way of saying Panzer

KA-50 mains will still say the ADATS is overpowered

in reality, these "Pantsir S-1" burn perfectly in Ukraine.

Wirlewind: let me interdose myself now!

Downshifts to neutral so the truck doesn’t stall out at low RPMs. If he was in first at the idle which I’m guessing is 900, truck would’ve def stalled out.

If warthunder adding AA like this then we gonna need more modern fighters

I've seen a lot of video lately that really overhype the vehicle, not a lot of actual game footage of people playing as the pantsir against F-16 / MIG-29 so I'm glad to see you playing the thing. I understand that many content creators have to surf on the news and make it as entertaining as possible, but gosh the lack of informative and unbiased video on the subject is just hurting the community, and to some extent creating drama for not a lot of reason. I came to the dev server thinking the Pantsir was god tier, I am now on the train of thoughts that it is more of a gimmick than anything else, and having now experienced first hand that the only "problem" that I had with the tunguska is unresolved with the Pantsir I'm even wondering if I will add the Pantsir to my lineup as it is a really fat, hard to hide, slow, and most importantly unreliable SAM as it is in the dev server ! Why do I say that ? I've been trying the Pantsir for few hours now on the dev serv, and here is my conclusion : - First the missile : The target lead mode and automatic mode are unreliable, they are dependant on having a stable radar lock which means every chaff, or bug in the system that make you lose the radar track will make the missile miss. The feature seems much much much less accurate than the TOR M1 for some reason. This is a problem in my opinion because why would I want to use 2-3 missiles to manage to kill one target, when I can reliably kill a target with one missile in the 2s6 tunguska.The only reason would have to be the range, which is indeed very nice, but also quite gimmicky as you often realise there is not many spot where you are both safe and have a full line of sight on a plane 20km away, I don't think any experienced anti air player with a top tier SAM really complain about a lack of range, I did not, not a single time thought so with the Tunguska, so yeah at some point having more range doesn't even matter anymore. The direct mode of the missile is not that great either because the initial trajectory can make you miss a lot of target at shorter ranges, don't expect to really be able to aim at ground vehicle unless they are fairly far also it prevents you from using missile to duel against incoming barrage of ATGM from helicopters as it is often done by skilled SAM vs Helicopters (yes such things exist). The F-16 and mig-29, which are the only 2 real danger right now for a tunguska, still have the advantage on the Pantsir when it comes to pull ridiculous manuvers and droping agm and bombs from space, as long as they are going full throttle and not in a straight line they can fairly reliably evade the missile, I was surprised to even see some target actually dodging the missile unintentionnally while dogfighting with other jet. - Second the canonns : they are the same as the tunguska, the suspension of the vehicle on the other hand is not, which leads to you overshooting ground target if they are in short ranges just because of the vehicle tilting from recoil, don't think of them as a miracle weapon of self defense against ground vehicle, remember that you are I think the tallest ground vehicle in the game which makes some encounter very awkward ! But against air target, this is a different story, they are still beast when it comes to shoot down sneaky helicopter, and low flying CAS, and I must say there is something funny about the russian schoolbus of doom firing like a maniac. - Third the radar : It might be the dev server, or not, but the tracking radar have a lot of small interruption when tracking fast movers, making you lose the track for half of a second, which is very concerning for the lead mode / automatic mode of the missile that no longer is in lead mode as soon as it lose the tracking. I believe it is one of the main reason why the system feel so unreliable overall, and makes you shoot several missile for one target. The 50km search radar seems honestly pointless with the current map in war thunder, having the radar range set to 50km was mostly annoying because you can't really see anything on the radar HUD, the real wonder of that radar comes from the vertical angle tho that is very wide. - Forth the multi target : Well it is there, is it good ? Gimmick ... Again ... You can indeed fire at several target that are close in an area (45°x45°) that is if 1) you trust your tracking enough to completely give up on guidance 2) you have several target in that area 3) said the targets are not going on opposite direction, in all the game I did it happened only once for me and I did not fire because one was already too close and would have not been tracked long enough to get hit by the missile. I guess I can see it working on drones but I havn't seen any in my games. Now as I said at the beginning, I do not want to dive on the vehicle controversy, I will just say it wasn't something russia needed, I do think other nations such as Italy, Japan or Israel really need a decent SAM system ASAP. Now is it a wonder weapon, no, not in the state it is in the dev server in my humble opinion of a fairly experienced anti air enjoyer in several nations ...

Hell yeah, they just need to add similar aa for other countrys and we're golden

Having faced a number of these now I can confirm that they are every bit as broken OP as I had feared.

create a problem, sell the solution. nerf the tunguska to push people gold pantsir. totally not a scummy act

In my opinion this spaa is too advanced to be included in the game at the moment. The soviets should have been given the TOR M1 instead.

"Missile knows where it is from where it isn't..."

HI PHLY HOPE YOU HAVE A PHANTABOULISTIC DAY

They should make it work like that in IRL too

well if it can intercept HIMARS missiles landing in general proximity, ofc it will be op against planes that fly 300-500 m/s with much larger radar signature. Now only airfield spawn at 12.0, air spawn is scary

At least you're honest that it's insanity

that 2 for 1 is hilarious

I wanna point out that the suggestion for this thing had people voting it should be 11.0 or below and someone said that the 20km missile distance wouldn't be OP It was quite the interesting read I'm curious if the missiles flying like that is intentional or if there's gonna be a buff for them down the line