This Conservative TRIED To Debate Me.. It Didn't Go Well.

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in this video, conure will be working on designing a new emote for site chat while arguing and debating against an unruly conservative chatter. they will be talking about whether capitalism is the best economic system, whether the ussr and communism failed, whether people should starve and go homeless if they can't pay for food and housing, why working class people support capitalist systems, fox news propaganda, who is winning the ukraine and russia war, how russia is invading ukraine for imperialist reasons, why republicans support russia, why student loan debt is immoral and hampers the ambitions and prospects of american, why education should be publicly funded and free to all citizens, why the government should spend money and do things to improve people's lives, why the welfare state is good, reasons why the food and drug administration (fda) has been less effective than it should be because of budget cuts from republicans, why universal healthcare is good and calling it big government tyranny is silly, why government corruption is made possible by conservative policies, differences between socialism and social democracy, why privatizing the veteran affairs administration (va) would be a horrible idea, why food insecurity exists in the richest country in the world, why its better for the government to run things instead of corporations, how taxes should work to benefit the people, why the super rich should be taxed more, why food and healthcare should be subsidized by the government, overlap between libertarians and fascist, anti-democratic ideas from libertarians, and much more!
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► TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 teaser
0:43 intro
1:28 thoughts on russia vs. ukraine war
6:24 'small government' and student loans
11:54 the FDA and government regulation
16:44 did communism FAIL?
22:10 socialist healthcare
26:48 capitalism, prosperity and freedom of choice
30:20 is taxation theft?
35:18 libertarianism and fascism
38:48 conure callout

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@PossumBuddy420 Жыл бұрын

>Conservatives argue for lower taxes >Taxes go down >Basic programs go to shit >Conservatives complain about the government not doing enough >Argue again for lower taxes

@stevonwhite8933 Жыл бұрын

When are we gonna call conservatism, the mental disease that it is?

@silaskuemmerle2505 Жыл бұрын

Pretty much

@keanuxu5435 Жыл бұрын

>Vote for Conservative politicians that say "smaller government"

@superidol4670 Жыл бұрын

You can makes taxes go lower and instead of keeping the money for yourself use them for the upbringing of a country you are stupid and know nothing about economy

@AGoatDemon98 4 ай бұрын

@@keanuxu5435 all small government means is more power in fewer hands

@jvalfin3359 Жыл бұрын

As a guy living in Finland, I can confirm we indeed live in a commie dystopia where the government doesn't let me die or starve. I would much rather not be able to afford rent or food while working a job.

@CharlieApples Жыл бұрын

I heard that in Finland the government forces you to have excellent public schools and free universities? 😨 What if my doctor tries to give me free insulin?! I’m scared just thinking about it!!

@jvalfin3359 Жыл бұрын

@@CharlieApples Indeed, and paying high taxes feels awful, when we actually get our money's worth back in services we all need eventually! I was in a car crash last year and I was brought to a hospital in an ambulance and it cost me about 16 euros! This awful socialist commie policy is so evil.

@gorillaguerillaDK Жыл бұрын

@@CharlieApples Yup, the Nordic Countries are a very scary place to live! We have hardcore competition on reaching the top of the "Happiness Index"! Yes, the name is a bit silly, as it doesn’t actually measure happiness, but instead it takes various parameters such as safety, health, life expectancy, income inequality, social justice, psychological well being, social support, basic needs, education, access to nature, etc., and measure these, and then give a collected score! At the moment Finland is in the lead, but they just got a new government this year, so they will probably be number two or three next year! Of course they have all the lakes and saunas going for them!

@niles8576 Жыл бұрын

@@gorillaguerillaDK now don't get so hopeful we will be on top for the next few hundred years atleast. except if humanity does die in around 60 years

@niles8576 Жыл бұрын

@@CharlieApples not only that but its illegal to make students pay for any schools and on top of that the student loans have a really low interest rate, on top of that the government gives free money to students. Finland is such a scary place to live i don't know how long i can live in this horribly communistic country for

@dataexpunged93N15 Жыл бұрын

"I would rather starve than have free food" -person who's probably never gone hungry for a long time

@ecyor0 Жыл бұрын

I've been fortunate enough to only be in the position of going hungry on rare occasions for a few days at most, but even that's enough to make sure you don't forget. The inability to concentrate. The inability to *rest*. Nothing to do but just... endure in a state of not-quite-pain until the money turns up in your account.

@dataexpunged93N15 Жыл бұрын

@@ecyor0 same here, I've been hungry sometimes, a week and half one time at most I think, but it's still seriously a painful feeling regardless. So exhausted and tired but you can't sleep because of the pangs in your stomach, the headaches, the nausea from being so empty for so long... This isn't the first time I've seen someone say they'd rather starve than get free food, and that is one of the most gross, entitled, "I've never been through a tragedy and judge other people for theirs" mindsets I've ever seen.

@Detective_asparagus Жыл бұрын

I've never "gone hungry", but when my mom first told me "i can't afford food right now, I'm working on getting a second job", that was enough to know. Just the IDEA of going hungry is enough to scare the shit out of you

@xanderkruger9040 Жыл бұрын

as someone that grew up povertized in johannesburg south africa, living in a broken overrun home always on the verge of homelessness, stealing bread and flour to make milliepap to survive, sometimes only eating a couple of slices of bread a fucking day ... its very clear that person has probably *NEVER* actually gone hungry before

@k4nd1incyb3rsp4c3 Жыл бұрын

I've stopped eating on occasion due to poor mental health, it's a fate I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I never lasted more than 24 hours without eating. Truly this person has probably never skipped a meal in their life if they think they can just not accept food.

@GokuVHomosexualThoughts Жыл бұрын

Please stop comparing them to a middle schooler. It’s degrading to middle schoolers.

@Fleet-Admiral-Harrison Жыл бұрын

Ok, I'd compare them to preschooler's. That's because I was that dumb, at preschool.

@Sgt-Wolf Жыл бұрын

Judging by your username you want to bang Jacob.

@rainbow_vader Жыл бұрын

Eh I was kind of a dumbfuck in middle school but I was also being influenced by gamergate so make of that what you will

@cocksmoocher2024 12 күн бұрын

ok sh1tbag!!!!

@Turai12 4 күн бұрын

@@Fleet-Admiral-Harrison as a preschool teacher please don't insult my students.

@thepicausno5561 Жыл бұрын

"You shouldn't be given free food" You're 14, you ONLY eat free food.

@grimsage5809 Жыл бұрын

rofl its almost as bad as tate teens

@Ostermond 10 күн бұрын

@@grimsage5809guarantee the venn diagram is a circle

@entropic-decay Жыл бұрын

on the "communism has always failed" point they tried to make, I find it worthwhile to point out that every time a country has tried communism it has immediately been attacked, either overtly or covertly, by global capitalist powers and been forced to focus much of their economy towards militarization to the detriment of everything else to not just collapse.

@dangerousd1312 Жыл бұрын

“wow great communism you got over there. would be a shame if a coup happened”

@stevonwhite8933 Жыл бұрын

@@dangerousd1312 Or place a forever embargo

@strayy1554 Жыл бұрын

Russia tried doing capitalism and democracy in the 90's look how that went.

@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 Жыл бұрын

Oh thank God almighty someone said it. I usually have to be the one to point it out because nobody else does. Thank you

@nunyabidnis3815 Жыл бұрын

"That's why capitalism is -" :economy crashes: "the only-" :economy crashes: "effective form of-" :economy crashes:

@transitorri7794 7 ай бұрын

"I don't watch Russian propaganda, I watch FOX news" Oh boy, who wants to tell em.

@KittyThaliaX23 Жыл бұрын

Im autistic but this guy made me feel neurotypical, thanks ❤

@mj91212 Жыл бұрын

Shouldn’t your profile name be “HewwoFwowence”?

@M3G4FR34K Жыл бұрын

@@mj91212 why the FUCK did I just lose my shit to this simple ass comment 😂😂😂

@leviadragon99 5 ай бұрын

the crazy thing is, that guy was probably 1000% Neurotypical. Completely neurotypical peeps be scary yo.

@Kidomaru222 14 күн бұрын

@@leviadragon99 Actually this

@TheReaverOfDarkness 11 күн бұрын

@@leviadragon99 Crippling Allism Spectrum Disorder. Uncommon but far from rare.

@ergifem Жыл бұрын

That dude was wild. He should apologize to the trees for wasting the oxygen they make.

@CharlieKell Жыл бұрын

You don't understand, the trees are forcing him to intake oxygen he hasn't earned.

@dont_take_it_personal Жыл бұрын

God, is "oxygen" an analogy for a living wage, in this scenario, or free health care? Yesn't I guess

@CharlieKell Жыл бұрын

@@dont_take_it_personal just a funny silly little goof

@dont_take_it_personal Жыл бұрын

@@CharlieKell Indeed. It's just hard to tell when conservatives want to be so unhappy.

@marocat4749 Жыл бұрын

But he can grow, hopefully,. and learn. He is bloody 15

@nio804 Жыл бұрын

Right-wing libertarianism probably needs an entry in the DSM

@nio804 Жыл бұрын

@@BradleyZS Being trans isn't in the DSM. Gender dysphoria is. They're not the same thing.

@William-Morey-Baker Жыл бұрын

@@BradleyZS You've never actually read the DSM, have you?

@peppermintgal4302 Жыл бұрын

@@BradleyZS Not all transpeople have gender dysphoria, which is itself caused by trauma in the first place.

@nio804 Жыл бұрын

@@BradleyZS You not being convinced of someone else's gender identity doesn't matter.

@BOOOOOOOONE Жыл бұрын

@@BradleyZSJust as well these things are the preserve of medical professionals rather than know-nothing internet dipshits like yourself:)

@punkrockllama Жыл бұрын

I really think it's unfair for Conure to call the chatter mentally ill. Mentally ill people are smarter than that.

@BagOCheetos Жыл бұрын

I am one of them. I have brain damage from being in combat, and I am still smarter than this dude. 😂

@witherschat 11 ай бұрын

I mean, there are levels of mental illness. Conservatism is one of the worst.

@TheReaverOfDarkness 11 күн бұрын

There are a lot of levels.

@angeladonoghue9010 Жыл бұрын

People like that guy piss me off so bad. My parents had to declare bankruptcy because my mom had a catastrophic injury and they didn't have insurance because the corporation my dad worked for closed down his plant and moved to Mexico. I have a chronic illness with no cure. There actually might be a cure, but-- because of the FDA being so badly funded and pharmaceutical companies only being concerned about profit-- it's been in clinical trials since fucking 2009. The only way to get it is to move to one of three locations in the US and pay $18,000 per year just for the medication. That's not counting doctor visits and blood work. Instead, I'll just suffer and probably die in the next 15 to 20 years. I'm 37.

@stevonwhite8933 Жыл бұрын

The pos would just tell you, “muh bootstraps”. Fkn hate people like that.

@angeladonoghue9010 Жыл бұрын

@@stevonwhite8933 Yeah, I'd love to tell the POS about bootstraps. I worked my ass off in school, did what I was supposed to, and it was all for nothing. I wanted to be a literacy specialist and to teach college writing. Not going to happen as it is now.

@stevonwhite8933 Жыл бұрын

@@angeladonoghue9010 And then after that, he’ll tell you “Life’s not fair”. Their politics are/and cause nothing but suffering. Complete cretins.

@Dragonette666 Жыл бұрын

@@stevonwhite8933 people like him say thing aren't fair constantly. Bring up student loan forgiveness "aw that's not fair" I tell them you got that right life isn't fair, this time it'll just be less fair for you.

@PackRatManiac Жыл бұрын

Our healthcare system is so brutal. Really, all our systems are brutal and most of us are an injury, serious illness, or job loss away from financial hardship. Idk how people can pretend not to see that.

@dysnomiaalvey Жыл бұрын

"Are u a man" "Are you with the government?" The only correct response

@WastelandBowman 14 күн бұрын

“I will resist having my basic survival needs provided to me because I would rather have to fight for them day to day” is such a take

@RisingJericho Жыл бұрын

If there's one thing I love more than anything else, it's bullying idiots in Twitch chat

@skarrx2416 Жыл бұрын

Trying to debate Conure, as a conservative, is like trying to challenge MF DOOM to a rap battle as a novice rapper: You got no shot ☠

@CharlieApples Жыл бұрын

Can’t wait for the new Conure single to drop

@pastelpurpledeathbed Жыл бұрын

*MF DOOM

@billieeisenhower406 Жыл бұрын

Who

@juliankirby9880 Жыл бұрын

The Vibe MF DOOM gave off the few times I saw him on tv or in interview, he would accept the rap battle challenge, and smile happily at you while you attempt to rap battle him, and he would just make you look way better than you actually were because he seems like a really nice guy. Maybe even rap poorly and let you win because he just wants to be friends.

@TheTVTelevision Жыл бұрын

Even though he's dead, I'm still pretty sure DOOM would beat me in a rap battle

@butwhyyyyyy Жыл бұрын

As a hungarian I apologize on the behalf of this guy

@gorillaguerillaDK Жыл бұрын

Bet he voted for Orbán

@butwhyyyyyy Жыл бұрын

@@gorillaguerillaDK for fucking sure, bro is the type of guy to clap at his speaches

@gorillaguerillaDK Жыл бұрын

@@butwhyyyyyy F'ing sad! Hope you get rid of Orbán next time! You all deserve so much better - and right now, all that is happening is NATO allies and EU partners just getting more and more annoyed at Hungary… Seriously, wish you the best with kind regards from Scandinavia!

@Mae_Dastardly Жыл бұрын

Between him and jontron hungary isn't sending their best

@marocat4749 Жыл бұрын

erdogan is worse :(

@aicram62 Жыл бұрын

The richest country in the world CAN afford healthcare. But we chose to sell it on the open market. The middleman raises the prices. The Medicaid offices pay closer to the real price because the GOVERNMENT won't allow the pharmaceutical companies to gouge them. But they let them gouge us.

@vrstary Жыл бұрын

Privatizing the VA is like saying we need to privatize the military lol

@bucherregaldomi9084 Жыл бұрын

tshhh fr wtff hahaha

@BagOCheetos Жыл бұрын

That is exactly what the GOP wants haha. Why do you think all these defense contractors are primarily Republican donors. As a veteran, if they take away the benefits I've earned and hand me over to some corporate insurance bullshit, I and my fellow veterans will revolt.

@BOGOworms4sale 9 ай бұрын

Uhhhh fuck uhhhh haha that’s definitely not happening to a pretty significant degree

@anthonyschueller1284 Жыл бұрын

Somebody last Friday literally told me, that they thought the government isn't supposed to support the people. I was like, what, are they supposed to work against us? 😂😂😂

@charbway Жыл бұрын

on canadian healthcare: i'm canadian, and i've been dealing with a health issue that's left me unable to work since september of last year. this has been a strain on both me & my family since my family had been relying on me somewhat financially. the care here can be very slow, but honest to god i'm so grateful that i live here. money has been super tight and if we'd lived in the US i either wouldn't be able to afford care or we'd lose our house

@kaitlyn3168 Жыл бұрын

That's awful for you and your family. Hope you get to feeling better! Stay safe out there! ❤

@CharlieKell Жыл бұрын

Also Canadian, healthcare (from my experience) wasn't too slow, but I have heard some stories... having a slow system that takes care of everyone rather than one that leaves people in crippling debt is pretty cool though.

@hayuseen6683 Жыл бұрын

People bring up slow healthcare like it's a systemic issue when the elephant in the room is a matter of supply. More professionals, shorter waits. If it's actually paperwork problems then sure I agree we cut out some of the beaurocracy. If everyone in America had the money to pay for full treatment, the medical system would definitely be slowed down. People die for lack of treatment due to costs, not delays, but heaven forbid someone wealthy or powerful wait in line.

@CompComp 9 күн бұрын

(American) My apendix exploded, I sat in the emergency room for 5 hours before being seen by anyone. When I was seen by a nurse I got accused of faking. A lady surgeon figured out what was going on right before she was supposed to get off and I was about to be sent home. They charged me $87,000 and some change to be lucky enough not to die and 24 hrs in the hospital. It was the worst pain ever. I had a baby via c section as a pain comparison which wasn't as bad. I did get drugs during the c section to be fair. You don't wanna know how big the bill after insurance was for having a kid lol -$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Why aren't people having kids?? It's too expensive to have them safely in a hospital. I'm not down for a dr free home birth which is popular in our area ....

@GutsyTen42 Жыл бұрын

It seems like he didn't realize that you weren't insulting him because you had no arguments. But because his arguments were dumb and easy to dismantle

@cjgroves4429 Жыл бұрын

Conservatives aren't capable of understanding that.

@highsoldier420 Жыл бұрын

@@cjgroves4429 Conservatives aren't capable of understanding

@zacharybosley1935 Жыл бұрын

RIP Hungarian Eagle. Homeboy sacrificed his reputation for 40minutes of fame

@TheSeventhOutlaw Жыл бұрын

Rest in piss. S

@CharlieKell Жыл бұрын

for 40 minutes of pure content. Bro should be regarded as a legend for giving us this.

@lawncrow Жыл бұрын

Truly a guy to be remembered for nothing more than the exact duration of this video

@bruhdotwmv Жыл бұрын

why is conure so much prettier than me. literally crying.

@ComradeMaryFromMars Жыл бұрын

@CharlieApples Жыл бұрын

Ideal male physique

@seamstressdragon8707 Жыл бұрын

Excellent fashion sense

@ergoproxy-gx2cq Жыл бұрын

Hrt helps

@Sgt-Wolf Жыл бұрын

Makeup, lots and lots of Makeup.

@sophitiaofhyrule Жыл бұрын

I'm going to agree with hungarian eagle on ONE thing: I don't think it's fair to call ignorant or bigoted people "mentally ill". Plenty of mentally ill people are very smart and/or decent people, and it's very possible for a neurotypical person to be an ignorant asshole. TL;DR You can be an idiot without being mentally ill

@firepuppies4086 Жыл бұрын

Right? He's just an idiot, calling him mentally ill is giving him an excuse

@eljoel89 Жыл бұрын

No matter what system of government you lived under your tax dollars will inevitably go to something you don't support, just like my tax dollars go to the military. That's a part of society. If you're morally opposed to taxation, stop paying taxes. You'll go to jail for tax evasion. Or you can admit the government collecting taxes is what gives money its value and allows widespread trade.

@NottherealLucifer Жыл бұрын

Yeah, these types of people are just morons who haven't thought through their beliefs at all. They just have shallow ideas that they run with. He also said he wants "small government" which in the libertarian sense means they don't want cops and tax collectors fucking with them. What this dude fails to realize is that in that society he'd be one of the first ones to get gunned down. In a society where the government doesn't maintain the peace some asshole like him is done for.

@stevonwhite8933 Жыл бұрын

B-b-but, money is our entire reason to live I thought?😰-Confused “Libertarian”

@niles8576 Жыл бұрын

im from finland and can say that health care isn't slow. 2 years ago i got hit by a car which broke my shoulder. when i went to the hospital i got to see the doctor in less then 20minutes and after that i had an xray immediately after that. in total i needed to wait 30minutes in total and it cost me around 40€. i also got 1600€ from the government afterwards

@gorillaguerillaDK Жыл бұрын

You had to pay for the X-rays? Did you get copies to hang up on the wall or something? Here in Denmark that would e public funded, unless you went to a Private Hospital!

@niles8576 Жыл бұрын

@@gorillaguerillaDK i did but 40€ is nothing for the entire expenses of the treatment (thats the only thing is needed to pay for). and i got way more money back from the government

@Alex-cq1zr Жыл бұрын

I know trans healthcare in Finland is quite bad. I think a trans person can be denied changing legal gender for something like getting depression (even if due to dysphoria).

@niles8576 Жыл бұрын

@@Alex-cq1zr yeah its bad finland also only has only 2 genders legally so u will always be a man or a woman in the legal sense.

@gorillaguerillaDK Жыл бұрын

@@Alex-cq1zr So the money from the government was just for your visit to the doctor? Or was it compensation for not being able to work for a while or something like that?

@kemanebel9018 Жыл бұрын

"Do yOu eVen knOw what fAsCism is?" Gets slapped in the face with the literal definition of facism. Way to go, Conure!

@Montesama314 Жыл бұрын

"I would rather starve" is cute rhetoric until you actually starve.

@sophitiaofhyrule Жыл бұрын

Why are people against free food and healthcare 😭

@cjgroves4429 Жыл бұрын

Because they don't have morals.

@MartinLeong25 Жыл бұрын

they are selfish that they have to pay for someones food and health

@forty_two42 Жыл бұрын

He doesnt believe in the right to vote? Have conservatives leap frogged from nationalism straight to Monarchism?

@ArlecchinoAKAFather Жыл бұрын

Unironically yes. Many want Trump to be king

@Danap-mykaykat 11 күн бұрын

Sadly, yes. They’d rather a mouthpiece for their asshat rhetoric than actual democracy if it means their actions get to be justified.

@abiwoodbane89 15 күн бұрын

“You have to understand. Most people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured and so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.”

@BigaloMax Жыл бұрын

How do republicans not understand that for a government to make a profit that would mean that they are Taking in more money then they are investing in keeping its citizens alive and well. Last I checked I spent money in Taxes To fix the roads And put out the fires not for that money to sit in a bank and never get spent on my needs

@marcomoreno6748 Жыл бұрын

"Run it like a business." Cons think gov debt is bad. The fed debt is public surplus. What's bad is when that public surplus which should be thought of as investments in infrastructure, education, and medicine- gets privatized. Inflation is caused by wealth hoarding. It's a myth that inflation is caused by the fed printing too much money. Like supply and demand or The Holy Ghost oops i mean "The Invisible Hand" Economics is a thermodynamics engineering problem but Americans are brainwashed into thinking it's a morality problem.

@coconut4219 Жыл бұрын

I think it’s good to highlight that all people are thought of under and benefit from progressive/socialist policies. Conservative policies tend to exclude someone (usually the economically disadvantaged) so appealing to conservatives’ own needs and wants is a good way to get many of them on board with left wing policies.

@BagOCheetos Жыл бұрын

That is exactly what is happening with veterans. Many of the vets Ive known over the years that were conservative before Trump have slid more to the left because Republicans kept bringing up privatizing the VA. Don't mess with veterans benefits, it will backfire haha.

@Thealchemyoflife 13 күн бұрын

People wanna talk about copium, but the US healthcare system brings out the hardest copes I have ever seen! Got into it with a costumer about our healthcare system vs. France (a nation we both visited). He tried telling me "Nothing in France is open in the middle of the day, because people in France don't like to work", and "they pay 50% of their paychecks into their healthcare system."... Dude, I've been to France... Nothing was arbitrarily closed in the middle of the day, and French citizens only pay 4% more for their healthcare taxes compared to us in the States. Here we pay 3% REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT WE ACTUALLY HAVE INSURANCE!!! Republicans don't live in the real world...

@jurassicsmackdown6359 Жыл бұрын

Saying "a man is when penis" is like saying "a horse is when brown" Are dapple gray horses not horses because they arent brown?

@dataexpunged93N15 Жыл бұрын

Of course not! They're secretly unicorns! (sorry lol)

@Alex-cq1zr Жыл бұрын

Transphobes not denying science is impossible... denying science often requires not being intellectually inclined ig.

@21forevergone Жыл бұрын

I always wondered if these people truly believe that a man must have a penis, then what happens to a man who doesn't have one?

@AnimeLuver0604 Жыл бұрын

@@21forevergone that depends on whether they want to be insulting. Cause remember, a guy who drinks fruity drinks is a woman, but a trans woman is a man...somehow. Because something something we can always tell.

@BagOCheetos Жыл бұрын

As a disabled veteran, privatizing the VA would probably end with me losing my benefits and becoming homeless or worse. That guy can stfu and leave my benefits, which I earned in blood and suffering, alone. I have not met a single veteran who supports privatizing the VA, even the ones who complain about the VA constantly. They rather have subpar free healthcare than some private corporate controlled insurance that will inevitably overcharge them and ruin their lives further. I have already been bent over the barrel of patriotism, I refuse to be bent over by corporations and by the GOP.

@chiwo Жыл бұрын

"your political ideology has the depth of a kitty pool" stop i nearly died

@LauraTeAhoWhite Жыл бұрын

Community college should be free (100% state sponsored). No ifs or buts. Every adult should have the right to learn a trade of their choice and the freedom to change careers if they so desire. America's infrastructure and health care is horrible, having educated people will resolve these problems and strengthen the economy at the same time. Educated people are more productive, creative and less likely to experience poverty. Considering the number of studies over the decades that have demonstrated this fact, it is unethical to not support access to tax funded higher education.

@highprogressive Жыл бұрын

donkWalk emote won this debate.

@snoopysurfer582 Жыл бұрын

37:10 oh my GOD I just discovered i've been living in a Fascist country all my life! Even if there are free elections, 4 different parties have been elected since I'm alive! Because I get free health care and studies, it has always been a Fascist country! NoOooOOooo! /s

@calvingarbacik272 Жыл бұрын

You don't even need to cut any programs to cut military spending, just start actively monitoring where the money the government spends on that stuff goes. The whole idea of the "bigness" of a government is BS. South America proved this, with their incredibly austere governments still being able to brutally repress the population, while social democracies with massive deficits and budgets produce consistently better outcomes for their citizens.

@peppermintgal4302 Жыл бұрын

Exactly this! The military itself has told congress that if they stop spending so much on vehicles that just rust away in boneyards, never used, (because the manufacturers said "they look cool and thus are totally needed trust us,") that like, they could reduce the budget, at least, or put that money into like anything else. As far as I know, the military people testifying to this weren't even arguing for that money to be spent on some other aspect of the military.

@calvingarbacik272 Жыл бұрын

@@peppermintgal4302 I'm not even talking about that, a lot of contractors enjoy the same type of thing that hospitals get. They can just make up an amount of money and the client will just pay it. All you have to do is look at where the money is going and how much those things actually cost to make and sell, and a lot of the price will just vanish

@jadegreenleaf781 Жыл бұрын

"I dont watch propaganda! I just watch fox news"

@ToonamiT0M Жыл бұрын

The perfect is the enemy of the good. For so many idiots, they feel that if we can't have a perfect version of something we shouldn't even try to improve it in any way.

@PhoenixXIII Жыл бұрын

The idea that small governments are somehow less corrupt or run better is a joke. The scale of it might be lower but there is plenty of corruption going on in local governments and there is way less scrutiny on them or ways to combat it, especially if you cut all federal or state agencies.

@peppermintgal4302 Жыл бұрын

Somebody else mentioned in the comments how many governments with tiny budgets still manage to brutally oppress people, (and I mean, is not the local warlord the smallest unit of government?) and many large ones oversee relatively peaceful, libertine societies while having massive budgets and deficits.

@TheCountOfMommysCrisco Жыл бұрын

I always wonder why these people who are so concerned about taxes being theft never make the connection that, by that logic, *profits are theft too*. It value you produce for an entity which decides to keep a certain amount of it. The difference is, when we pay taxes we get, like... Roads, and fire-fighters, and schools, and libraries, etc. etc. When a company takes their profits from our earnings, we're just paying for their yachts and vacation homes and stock-buybacks.

@aaronhalsted7762 Жыл бұрын

Actually, it's funny, as I was listening to you tear this person a new one, I decided to do 15 min of research to calculate the "effective" tax rate for someone in the US vs. Sweden. The first thing I stated is that the quality of outcome has to be equal (i.e. equal care, higher education, etc.). I then picked an electrical engineer as the test case (as there is good information about salaries for engineers on the web). I would also point out that I made the engineer the sole breadearner for a family of 4. Here is a brief summary of what I got: US: Salary: $ 100,000 / yr. Federal, State, Local, & Sales taxes: $ 20,800 / yr (average across US) Student Loans: $ 4,800 / yr Health Care: $ 26,500 / yr (insurance, copays, & deductables) Quality Schooling for children: $ 24,000 / yr Total "effective" tax rate: ~76 % Funds after "effective taxes": $ 24,250 Sweden Salary: $ 40,500 / yr (equivalent) Federal State, Local, & Sales taxes: $ 16,600 / yr Student Loans: $ 0 / yr Health Care: $ 0 / yr (insurance, copays, & deductables) Quality Schooling for children: $ 0 / yr Total "effective" tax rate: ~ 41 % Funds after "effective taxes": $ 24,000 (equivalent) Of course, this is a gross oversimplification, but I think the point is easy to figure out.

@Noname72105 Жыл бұрын

The funny thing is food is already heavily subsidized by the state, because it turns out growing food costs money. In order to make food production profitable while still allowing the proletariat access to food *sometimes* the state has to split the difference with its workers and pay farms and agricorps to produce. But profit motive amirite?

@pabdira Жыл бұрын

omfg that guy made me die, communism never was implemented, at best it was socialism

@LaborwaveLenin Жыл бұрын

Not even to mention that the ussr had the highest qol increase of all human history as well as it going from a semi feudal agrarian society to a world super power that rivaled the US

@Stroopwafe1 Жыл бұрын

And it didn't last long before the CIA did a little coup

@peppermintgal4302 Жыл бұрын

@@LaborwaveLenin This is actually quite true, just the enormous drop in numbers of famines happening per given unit of time was incredible. What Soviet Russia really struggled with was a few things, one was the development of tensions between agricultural workers and industrial workers, one was trying to control a bunch of Balkan states, and the last was the stagnation of the Soviet hierarchy as a bureaucratic class alienated from the people developed. That's my understanding, anyways.

@whensomethingcriesagain 14 күн бұрын

@@peppermintgal4302There was also the Brezhnev-era mistake of overspending on the military to try and maintain parity with the US rather than just having it be enough that the US couldn't risk open conflict even if it would probably win eventually, and then spending the rest of that money in other parts of the economy

@Montesama314 Жыл бұрын

The KZfaqr named Shark3oZero has previously said that we are basically gonna have to drag people kicking and screaming into an America with a government that helps them. They are gonna hate getting healthcare insurance or being able to get a job without having their insurance coverage hostage.

@ilyaslebleu1947 Жыл бұрын

If you're wondering about people in Russia fighting against the government, the indigenous (non-Russian) peoples of the region are working on this! There's Idel-Ural for instance (six indigenous republics in the middle of Russia, whose autonomy was progressively stolen by the central government)! Also the irony of the Hungarian guy supporting Russia when Russia was the one to crush both of your big revolutions (1848 and 1956)

@platonicriot Жыл бұрын

Its real bro, our government sucks Putins cock like the country runs on cum. Like its actually insane how Orban cucked the entire country into believing what he does is for the good of the people even though these assholes steal so much money and have this circle of people that gets the tax money of the minimum wage worker who doesnt make enough money to live off of it.

@gorillaguerillaDK Жыл бұрын

Hungarian right-wingers are simps for Russia - not because of the past, but because of ideology! At least in Poland and Ukraine, most of the right-wingers despise Russia!

@irondragonmaiden Жыл бұрын

Pffft, hungarian-eagle has never heard of medical tourism. If anything, the Americans who have the means to pay for the trip save a lot of money in getting a medical procedure in another country, plane tickets and hotel stay and all. That says it all.

@TayTayMakesBeats Жыл бұрын

The way you lay everything out is so simple and elegant. Even when it's on topics that I'm well informed on you always show me better ways to explain them. Thanks comrade.

@dracocrusher Жыл бұрын

"A man is when penis" I guess anyone who had their dick cut off in an accident just isn't a man then? That's... not quite right..... That's kind-of like saying if I lost an arm I stop being a person. Turns out being 'a man' is a kind-of complicated topic with a lot of philosophy and bimodal biological stuff based on what you actually mean, and there just isn't a clear-cut answer for this stuff. Pretty much anything you can point to is going to have exceptions, flaws, and a lot of really dumb implications.

@DGAMINGDE Жыл бұрын

Truly showing how scary we, forcing people to get easier opportunities for education, healthcare and solidarity with fellow Americans. Also I live in Europe and its not really slow, if you have emergencies you will get a doctor. Also Europeans go to the doctor twice as often as Americans, because everyone (I live in Germany) take routine visits seriously. That there is that high demand is a good sign, that people care about their physical and mental health. One of the biggest problems in healthcare is that there still is a private option, so some people are not interested in improving the system. The only reason to go to the US is because of some high-risk operations that the EU doesn't allow, like for some cancer patients. Those people often need to crowdfund the treatment in the USA, because its not financed. Funnily East Germans pretty much seem to agree that the GDR was horrible, but good on schooling, welfare and healthcare. Which makes sense because they are the main industries where there is market failiure (should be noted that the GDR was a garbage authoritarian state, that was doomed to fail and that should not be a model in any way, outside of the mentioned areas, but people even remember its socialized system fondly).

@mrcocoloco7200 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the information German 🇩🇪 Citizen. Love ❤️ from a Dominican 🇩🇴🇺🇸 American

@NottherealLucifer Жыл бұрын

Yeah most Americans use the free healthcare our military veterans get and base their entire view on free healthcare on that failing system. Our veterans get free healthcare for life but the doctors and clinics that they're allowed to go to are extremely underfunded and have small staffs. It's ironic that Republicans are the ones who will talk all day about how much they love the troops but then will turn around and defund their healthcare. They're hypocritical pieces of shit.

@DGAMINGDE Жыл бұрын

@@mrcocoloco7200 Tbh I don't really consider myself German. Its complicated.

@mrcocoloco7200 Жыл бұрын

@@DGAMINGDE What? So what nationality are you?

@DGAMINGDE Жыл бұрын

@@mrcocoloco7200 I have German nationality, have the life goal to get into US politics, like the Danish electoral system, love Brazilian campaign songs and support the president of Chile. As I said, Its complicated.

@Reed5016 Жыл бұрын

The second they mentioned how they watched Fox, I thought “oh, so you watch Fucker Carlson? Enough said.”

@HOIIIYEAA Жыл бұрын

This is how I'm gonna handle these degenerates from now on. I don't have the patience to spell out reality for them, if they're too egotistical to admit they're wrong and that they've been mislead, they're not even worth wasting breath on if you ask me. GG handling this one, Comrade Conure.

@isdrakon9802 Жыл бұрын

I've pretty much given up, I can't deal with their shit anymore

@tokatkc Жыл бұрын

@@isdrakon9802 they live in their swamp of dumb, descending there in order to convince them of anything that is not their dumb is pointless and only harmful to anyone who tries, they should leave it themselves and for that we could leave a path for them in form of easy to understand content that slowly lures them out of dumb. little sir sic reference here, if you know you know :D

@StudioNama Жыл бұрын

I would RIOT if the VA went private

@jadegreenleaf781 Жыл бұрын

OMFG this infuriates me. Im canadian, and unless youre talking about a specialist, its not slow. In hospitals its not slow, at least not if it cant wait. The thing these people dont understand is triage? A vital system that keeps hospitals efficient. Yeah, you might have to wait 5 hours to just get an xray for a broken wrist, but at least the woman who got hit by a car doesnt have to wait until im done. Im fine with waiting, because i dont have life threatening injuries. Others do. Canadian healthcare isnt slow, its just using triage. The only reason its slow is because other people are dying. Have some empathy ffs.

@platonicriot Жыл бұрын

I genuinely think Conure is the best debater in the lefttube scene right now.

@wet-read Жыл бұрын

Good, yes. But the best to me is The Majority Report. They don't debate much over there, but there are some clips of some.

@CharlieKell Жыл бұрын

I don't think debates lead to much, but it sure is fun to watch.

@platonicriot Жыл бұрын

@@CharlieKell yea that is true, but when it comes to the right with their debate lords at least there's someone on this side who can quickly come up with good enough and informative responses to the bs.

@grimsage5809 Жыл бұрын

at a minimum conure is at about the same level I am where I'm just tired of their propagandized npc dialogue lines so we do a little trolling. the fallacy gotcha game is middle school behavior to me >.>

@demonicloaf2100 3 ай бұрын

@@grimsage5809The right respond to power, and bullying is a power move.

@umbralryu Жыл бұрын

As somebody who's been in the Army for over a decade, I've seen the government pay $700 for a cheap plastic knob because of how contracts were in place. I think there is a way to cut costs there just fine without even hurting national defense.

@thatdognotthepuppy5809 Жыл бұрын

Man, I wish Conure would bully me like this.

@robdotgif Жыл бұрын

"hungarian eagle" now thats a name that instantly paints a person's politics on their face

@PackRatManiac Жыл бұрын

I love this debate and I'm trying so hard not to snort laugh while listening to this. This brightened my night. It's been a rough week and I think you for your honesty and bluntness against the troll.

@johail3510 Жыл бұрын

Canoe is the Chaddest Stacy and the Staciest Chad I've ever seen, I bet Canoe walks around with real life jojo "Danger" words in-wake

@CREATIVEART100 Жыл бұрын

Literally had a tooth infection that needed an extraction and if I didn’t treat it I would die and the only reason I got the tooth removed and am in the process of getting a fake one put in with an implant (cause it’s a front facing tooth so I can’t leave a gap unless I wanna look like a stereotypical hillbilly) is because my parents are paying for it and having me pay it back to them because I’m literally a jobless college student rn

@evictionnotice1155 Жыл бұрын

Just forced me to remember I used to think like this. Man.

@peppermintgal4302 Жыл бұрын

Same here. I was, some of my friends have told me, an insufferable libertarian in high school. (Though I did hate corporations as much as I hated the government. I was just propagandized into thinking that breaking down government as much as possible would like, destroy the powerbase of corporations? Yeah don't ask me lol its been over a decade since I changed my mind on all that) Part of what broke me out of that was learning about the concept of the hydraulic empire, a profit motivated government that uses a city with sole access to all the water in a desert region to utterly control everyone else. Made me realize, of course tyranny and profit motive dovetail. I also eventually put two and two together to realize that profit motive doesn't require monopoly to be oppressive, war lords are also profit motivated and they don't always have monopolies over a region, (in fact, the lack of complete control is often why they go to war and become war lords!)

@dylandreisbach1986 Жыл бұрын

Linus from Linus Tech Tips had a great explanation on why taxing wealthy people is good and trickle down economics doesn’t work. Basically you pay taxes on profit and not gross income. If you get more of your profit takes away then you are incentivized to spend more gross profit on your business to make more money. By reducing taxes you just encourage people to hoard wealth and not actually out it back into the economy.

@ecyor0 Жыл бұрын

2:40 Implying that they COULD have taken the city with better weapons and soldiers but... chose not to for some reason? And instead just threw 30,000 soldiers into a meatgrinder for 11 months to take a city that actually has little to no strategic value?

@whensomethingcriesagain 14 күн бұрын

I mean it wouldn't be the first time that happened

@gorillaguerillaDK Жыл бұрын

Here in Scandinavia where I live, we not only get low rent student loans, but also public funded student grants, and we have tuition free higher education, and subsidies for rent for low income - we do have high taxes, BUT, we also get living wages! (You can literally survive on a halftime job at McD) Oh, and we also have universal healthcare, except for dentist and physiotherapy, unless you have some neurological disorder or similar, then you can get public funded physiotherapy as well….

@Magnustopheles Жыл бұрын

Is the healthcare administration efficient? I think the only problem with implementing universal healthcare in the US is that we have a terrible track record with our bureaucracies.

@gorillaguerillaDK Жыл бұрын

@@Magnustopheles Well, in the country I currently live in, we do have issues, but a lot of it has to do with lack of staff, we need more nurses, doctors, and for various other core functions. Also, there’s been opened up for Private Hospitals getting some of the patients and receiving public funds! The problem is, there’s a fixed price a hospital receive, (private or public), and the money follows the patient. Now there’s only an X amount of doctors, so many of them both work private and public. The private sector pays better - and private hospitals can pick the easiest patients, and get just as much for let’s say a knee surgery, as the public hospital would get. This leaves the more complicated patients, (same knee surgery, but this patient has diabetes, severely obese, and has Chronic Obstructive Lung Disease), to the public sector, and these patients take more time, and cost more to operate. This practice has been undermining the healthcare sector! Also, as I mentioned, we lack healthcare professionals, and so does neighboring Norway, but Norway can attract Danish nurses because it pays better in Norway, and even better if a Nurse wanna go to Greenland and work 5-6 months a year. Now we try to recruit nurses and doctors elsewhere, but we have very high requirements, and the system dealing with applications is way too rigid, but we've been promised the politicians will look into this! Otherwise, the administrative sides is fairly efficient - yes, sometimes someone F up, and creates a scandal, but you know, it’s humans, and we try to find quick solutions when people make mistakes! But even the administrative errors when they happen, are often related to the lack of staff…. So if you know any well educated nurses, doctors, bio analysts, etc., who won’t mind learning a new language, (most Danes speak at least some English and will happily do so, but it’s still a requirement that newcomers who wanna work in our public sector take courses in Danish), then please feel free to send then our way…. 😜

@theycallmejodamo 14 күн бұрын

This whole “convo” reminds me of my Fox-watching grandmother trying to tell me about the signs and symptoms of drugs that she got from Hannity or whoever, not realizing that I was coked off my tits and running said drugs to pay rent 🙄🙄🙄

@etabiansosin Жыл бұрын

Conure is definitely Debate Bro material and I think that would be based af.

@LibertarianLeninistRants 7 күн бұрын

I love how well structured and pointed your arguments were. Looking forward to more debates tbh

@gh0stgarbage Жыл бұрын

Also, like, a government offering help through taxes is 1) the whole point and 2) prevents the pothole a lot of people fall into where we have zero connections as people. Humans always have and always will rely on connections to other humans in better positions or with more knowledge to help them. That’s the whole point as a social species.

@Lucifer-Riding 13 күн бұрын

Don't you just love when someone's whole personality is 'have contrarian opinion to everything you say'? It makes them look SO smart, you know.

@yannizo Жыл бұрын

17:15 Doesn’t Conure confuse communism for anarchism? Communism isn’t really moneyless, it just gives the working class freedom over it. Also, not every country pursuing a communist path have failed doing it (Burkina Faso under Thomas Sankara 1983 or Bolivia 2006 under Evo Morales for example), it’s just that the examples we were taught in school (USSR, China) weren’t the best representatives.

@peppermintgal4302 Жыл бұрын

Communism structures things around the idea that workers should be making the decisions as a class. (For example, when Soviet Russia was first established, the "Soviets" from which it got its name were "worker councils," which working class people could be elected into by other working class people, though generally to be elected up into higher Soviets, one needed to be in a lower one, kind of like a bracketed tournament. that bracketed tournament nature is where the problems set in, it allowed the production of yet another career politician class and it produced yet another strict hierarchy. There have been anarchocommunist governments, though, like the one that existed in Ukraine prior to being invaded during one of the world wars that had established, under the anarchist black army, soviets that I guess weren't tiered --- I'm not so familiar with those, but I have heard that the Ukrainian soviet system that existed at that time was successful in many metrics, including reduced racial tensions as it eased the conflicts between industrial workers and agricultural workers that often dovetailed with racial strife.) Conure is promoting alternative forms of government that do have a strong eye towards working class rights, but don't necessarily do that. What they advocate for is a society that provides sufficient welfare and safety nets that, if Capitalist, could compensate for a lot of the social issues that plague Capitalist countries and cause the development of castes and stagnation, if I understand their position correctly. If I had to guess, Conure's position is probably more in the realm of social democrats or mainstream european socialist parties, neither of which are communist in nature. And in fact, Communists *have* had conflicts, even violent ones, with parties within these two spaces before.

@syush_ Жыл бұрын

assuming chatter is young and there's hope - this method of slapping someone out of their stupidity on time is something i very much support. regardless, i wish i had someone like this to watch when i was a kid, would have spared me some brain worms for sure

@peppermintgal4302 Жыл бұрын

I was myself an insufferable libertarian in high school. The more innocent side of it is a reflexive dislike of totalitarianism, but libertarianism does not understand totalitarianism and is easily manipulated *by* it. (This does not make libertarianism innocent, though --- I was indoctrinated into some hateful religious shit, and it sounds like this Hungarian Eagle kid had something going on with that.)

@helicopterharry5101 12 күн бұрын

Based on landmass. Ukraine fighting off Russia is like Texas fighting off two United States with their own Texases.

@widescreennavel Жыл бұрын

Great stuff! Please keep up your good work,

@lycan4312 Жыл бұрын

Kinda Venting here but My families food stamps got cut and im pissed hearing that guy said hed ratger starve then get free food and im also pissed that everyone feels bad for me when i tell them about my surcemstances when they should be pissed at the goverment for cutting them and im done feeling guilty for not having the best diet when i cant afford alot of produce >:(

@TheNeonClucker Жыл бұрын

22:45 privatized healthcare still exists in Canada to skip waits (no clue if they are gonna go into that)

@warmac88 Жыл бұрын

Great job 👍

@bjornbjornson740 Жыл бұрын

28:18 even if you keep the defense spending, you can cut corporate welfare. It's one of the largest Republican drains on the budget.

@Veiraviss Жыл бұрын

Republicans defund the FDA? Guys what the actual hell. How can you live in a country like this?! How can you live like this?

@MTWitherspoon Жыл бұрын

17:35 Makhnovshchina came pretty close but, in addition to the communes, it also had social factories and small-scale worker-owned business. Some villages were properly moneyless, others less so.

@shoutmon1337 Жыл бұрын

I love how out of touch these kinda guys expect u to be, like boss your not in the Tim Pool super chat, how was this gonna go down any better than this? did you even wake up today?

@Cirex2118 Жыл бұрын

Remember to sometimes take the L for learning 💙

@Schnupperdose Жыл бұрын

Man I briefly forgot how much I enjoy conures videos, I gotta catch up on some shit

@stevonwhite8933 Жыл бұрын

SAAAMME

@TasTheWatcher Жыл бұрын

_"We are fat from our food"_ isn't the pro-capitalism own you think it is...

@TheDemonOfSemen 13 күн бұрын

> Conservatives argue for lower taxes > Conservative politicians "We'll lower taxes, (for the rich)" > Public programs go to shit > Conservatives complain > Conservatives then continue to argue for lower taxes > Conservative politicians "We'll lower taxes again, (for the rich)" > Public programs are even worse > Conservatives complain (Rinse and repeat)

@reesetyra902 Жыл бұрын

they literally teach that taxes help the economy in capitalist economics classes. the idea that economics supports low taxes, or even capitalism itself is a fucking joke.

@mk-aka-morgan8386 Жыл бұрын

Seeing people debate give me such anxiety, I would be terrified to try and debate anyone (online or not). You’re really good at debating 👏

@lexter8379 Жыл бұрын

First time seeing Conure arguing against somebody live and wow you dominated the submissive con. Well done, all the insults flew so naturally and without really rising voice. Like everything you say should feel very obvious (which it is) and it felt like explaining to a child that fire is hot.

@CyanWatercress4 Жыл бұрын

I can literally think of Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, PRC and DPRK off the top of my head, and the last two barely even qualify as "communist"

@whensomethingcriesagain 13 күн бұрын

To this day Cuba flexes on the US constantly in their responses to foreign crises

@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 10 күн бұрын

Those countries are socialists

@artemiskiwami6677 Жыл бұрын

Your deadpan delivery is brilliant! I legitimately feel sorry for people brainwashed by conservative media to vote/speak out against their own interests... One small correction, at 36:43 you mentioned Stalin as an example of fascism, which is completely false. He was authoritarian at a time when fascism was on the rise in Western Europe and all First World capitalist nations were actively seeking to undermine and destroy the burgeoning USSR. Though he was flawed and definitely not above criticism, the Soviet Union made great strides in reducing wealth inequality, increasing literacy, fighting global imperialism, and improving the quality of life of people around the world during his time in office.

@Montesama314 Жыл бұрын

"The government should not give us loans to go to school." I agree, I think college should be affordable, and public ones should be fully covered by government funds.

@panzerwolf494 15 күн бұрын

Sometimes i wonder if conservatives are the way they are because they've never experienced real hardships like poverty, starvation, homelessness, etc. because they never quite grasp just how desperate people can get and how hard simple things they take for granted can hit people.

@Jman0163 12 күн бұрын

100%

@ApricotBoy Жыл бұрын

The thing about government funded health care is that you don’t have to use it, like if you want you can still go private and get better and/or faster care the public care is for situations or people where that isn’t an option

@cookiescraftscats Жыл бұрын

Jesus wants you to EARN your health. The parable of the Financially-Responsible Samaritan lays it out clearly.

@ThatBunniBoi Жыл бұрын

⁠⁠⁠@@cookiescraftscats Good thing Jesus isn’t president then. Jokes aside, that’s absolutely not what Jesus wanted. Jesus was not against taxes. Jesus even said to give everything you have to the needy and follow Him.

@ThatBunniBoi Жыл бұрын

He deleted because he knew full well he was lying about what the scripture says.