Wow. For a black man to get such a distinguished medal during that time; he must've single-handedly saved everyone in his platoon, plus a visiting official, plus a five star general. When u consider the racism in the military back then, it's surprising that even if he did all that he would still get medal and not some white guy in the same platoon as him

So instead of leaving the black dad a hero who influenced his daughters strong spirit and a decorated war hero you wanna turn him into voodoo shadow man out to kill his daughter and steal the life from the man she loves? No.

Tiana's dad and Dr. Facilier don't look anything alike. The "supporting evidence" is basically just saying they look alike because they're both black. But looking at their character designs, they don't have the same chin, the same lips, the same nose or eyes, they don't even have the same hair color or skin shade. I think the theory is BS.

In the movie Tiana's dad is not only seen as someone who was courageous and heroic but as someone who had a great love for his family (Tiana in particular). I think that not only is this theory far fetched, it makes absolutely no sense seeing that he loved Tiana so much why would he come back as someone who pushed his beloved daughter to such an extent that she almost died.

The shadow man knew about her because he was hanging out in the restaurant when her friends asked her to go out and she talked about her dream, he eavesdropped

So because they are 2 black men They must be the same person???? Definitely not!

In the Disney book "Almost There : *A Twisted Tale* ", it's revealed that Tiana's father died at war when she was 14. You can find this information in the prologue of the book. I consider this canon since this comes from a *Disney Official* series.

Yeah...No 😐 I just simply believe that Tiana's father just died in world war I. Also, Dr. Faciliar has spirits who have probably given him information on other people including Tiana, that's how I think he probably knows.

Don't forget. Skilled tarot readers see a lot in the cards. And being able to communicate with the spirit world. So no, I don't buy her father became the shadow man. No dice

I can't believe that he'd attack his daughter, for he would have recognized his daughter's voice and who she was

Dr. Facilier was in the diner when Tiana got the money for her restaurant from Lotte. He was following Mr. Lebouf. That is how he knew about Tiana and her wanting to have her own restaurant.

Notice how Mama Odie is the queen of the bayou. And Dr facilier said during his song "friends on the other side" he said I'm a royal myself on my mother's side. He then held up a voodoo doll of a queen with her eye hanging out. Mama Odie is blind. Meaning Dr facilier did voodoo on his mom to make her blind. During that same song, his shadow turns into a snake. Mama Odie has a pet snake. But it's not a pet. She kisses the snake passionately. Meaning that the snake is her husband. Dr. Faciler did voodoo to turn his dad into a snake.

There’s literally a whole song about how has he figures out everything about a person. It’s literally in the song lyrics.

Honestly the how did he know is pretty easy, just about everyone who knew Tiana knew how she never took a break and basically worked her butt off to save enough money for her restaurant. Also considering where she worked and the amount of people that probably go there, it’s not impossible for the information to somehow reach his ears, also he has his friends on the other side and he uses voodoo magic so I can also imagine he is able to see into peoples hearts and discover their greatest desires, just like he did with Naveen and his assistant dude and then with Tiana, he knew perfectly what they desired and the first two fell for the temptation and Tiana didn’t.

The characters look nothing alike and they have two different VAs.

Considering Facilier has a deal with the shadows, of course he would know everything about Tiana…he’s a shadow man… 😑

Crazy idea, but too farfetched. Way too much hinders the idea, considering everything he does, knows, and has motivation for strives from the 'friends on the other side.'

There’s no way tiana’s dad is dr. faciliar

The way this girl keeps saying "Dr Facilier" is really jarring

''Facilier would have been Mama Odie's son, who followed the path of the dark arts, unlike his mother. In this same script, there was to be a showdown between the two of them, which would have converged into a major battle during the Mardi Gras festivities.'' The script might be scrapped but the fact that she easily defeats one of Dr Facilier's "friends" and getting serious after she chuckles and says "Now, WHO MADE A DEAL WITH THE SHADOW MAN?!"(actual line from the latest version of the movie) like that shows that this still might be canon. But they problably scrapped because they don't want young children to see Dr Facilier and start getting rebellion on their parents like he did. Though this is my opinion. But I guess it's up to the audience now to decide if Dr Facilier is related to Mama Odie or not... Not to mention in Maleficent after Maleficent crushes the party she greets the King in a insincere way. But she doesn't greets the Queen. It's because of their backstory. But I rewatched the moment Maleficent curses Aurora in the Disney's orginal "Sleeping Beauty" and in their she also greets the King but not greet thr Queen. It shows her backstory from Maleficent did happend in both films. But in the Sleeping Beauty it has been censored. The good times Maleficent and Aurora had has been censored too I guess. It's problably for not confusing younger audinces' minds. Which shows that something doesn't just have to be shown just to be canon... But what do you think? Do you think Dr Facilier could actually be son of Mama Odie? Could you discuss how they're reunion would be like if this script wasn't scraped?

No just no. This is the worst theory I've heard. Not enough salt in the world. He's bony because he's bony and looks nothing like her dad, bad guys always try to come off as sympathetic when they think they can get what they want.

No that makes no sense. Remember in the beginning of the movie, he knew Lawrence and Naveen's secrets and wishes. Part of his dark voodoo is to determine the wishes and weaknesses of his prey so that he can use them to get the deals. Same with Tiana later. He was desperate because he knew it was time to pay too, and as long as he had the talisman for which he sold his soul in the deals he made then he could repay and save himself. He was just using their weaknesses against them

when he said royal on my mother's side it safer to assume she was voodoo queen.

No offence, I don't see the connection. Tiana probably heard of The shadow man/Dr. Facilier through other people. Dr. Facilier probably knows so much about Tiana through voodoo, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a crystal ball to see people's weaknesses so he studied about Naveen's friend that's helping him escape

As you said at first. "New Orleans have this popular myth about Voodoos" That's the reason why the villain exist. Cause there are lots of voodoos in Tina's world.. No need to bring out a hero father into a villains body

Ehhh.. it’s just doesn’t make sense. It’s bad enough Disney killed off her daddy. Just let the man be a hero. Also those two characters look nothing like each other lol this theory doesn’t hold up in anyway, yal should of just done a different one that made more sense.

Going to the dark side isn't something we would have expected a young Anakin to do either. But he grew up up to become someone even he didn't recognize anymore and his reason for doing so was his family.

He was in the same diner Tiana was in, so he should of heard Charolette doing all that screaming and Tiana talk about wanting a restaurant.

Honestly how he knew everything about her is easy enough to explain as the spirits giving him information that would make him more likely to tempt her. Information like her name and heart’s desire would be basic, and his difference in approach could come down to her being female. Though it would be amusing if he made a deal with the devil to get Tiana her restaurant and then the devil turned him into a villain that would manipulate events in such a way that would make that happen.

I kinda feel like this theory kinda aims more racial based in a negative way for the sad truth about any black or different race characters perfect or not someone will make or strive to find flaws which sucks

It could also be a misconception that if a princess kisses a prince who was turned into a frog that HE would turn back. It. Is possible that the spell would simply make them compatible (which could be assumed to mean he would be human again) and instead transform her to his status. (A frog) remember it was evil magic that made him a frog in the first place. So perhaps an evil twist to the spell. Besides if the kiss had turned him human, Naveen would still be selfish. It was the journey he took (as a frog) with Tiana that made him the true prince/good guy he became.

There is an incorrect assumption here, one that Voodoo is dark magic, that was one part of the film I found to be ridiculous, including the use of Adrinka symbols as evil magic symbols-completely untrue.

Doesn't make sense, I thought the theory was that he made a deal with him but not be him. No chance they are the same, he knew all about the prince and his servant too. He did his research.

“How does he know that tiana wanted a restaurant?” IDK MAYBE BECAUSE HE USES VOODOO-

theory is interesting, but doesn't hold weight at all. Considering that the guy is litterally in leauge with demonic entities, its safe to assume that he was able to gleam information regarding tiana in order to attempt to persuade her like all his other clients.

He was not the shadow man .

Yeah... sorry. This one's a REALLY weak theory. So many things have to not be taken into account for it to work. one of which is the interaction between Him and Tiana. Like... she even talks about her dad there. but the shadow man does not react to it accordingly.

The shadow man is her grandad, he killed her dad to gain some twisted control over the spirits for material power. The woman down at the bayou is her grandmother. She is royalty but if she doesn't know it she can't activate it, it's dormant. On 05.03.22 At 06:36 GMT

Sense the shadow man can basically communicate with the dead doesn't that mean that the spirits would have told him about the dream

I think you should’ve watched the movie or looked up the name cause you keep saying facilier but it’s a French word meaning the r wouldn’t be pronounced

Well I belive that the shadow man was her father and he has voodoo so that makes him a royal , but a different than the prince . So perhaps even the shadow man even kept a secret from his wife and his daughter and all along loved them but really was a villain of the story. So maybe the prince needed a princess like him. I loved the video!

I think the shadow man's character design is kind of based on Prince.

Doctor facility is descended from a voodoo Queen which wouldn't be considered royalty is the actual royalty by Disney standards the more conservative which

Hey there, what if the shadow man knew so much of Tiana wasn't because he was her dad but because he was her uncle? And not as a full-blooded sibling to either Tiana's mom or dad. But instead, a half-sibling shares the same dad but has different moms. The shadow man could have been the black sheep in the family and only had a good relationship with the half-sibling that is Tiana's parent. One day the shadow man tells the family that he is cutting all ties to the family and leaving to become the shadow man. But because he deep down still cares for the only nice family member to him. He kept an eye on his half-sibling and in turn his sibling-in-law and his niece Tiana. Which leads to him knowing so much about Tiana. he was an uncle that was talking Tiana's family for who knows how many years. What do you think?

this srsly feels like just a generalisation of two black male characters...

The difference between Tiana and Naveen is that while Naveen came from 2 long lines of royalty, Tiana did not. Even if her father was Dr. Facilier who is royalty, her mother may not have come from any royal family or not. Idk how much percentage of a princess a girl has to be to turn a frog back into a Prince when kissing him, but if you have to be 100% royalty in order to turn a prince back into a human, then that would still make the theory possible that Dr. Facilier could be Tiana’s father James.

Very unlikely. As for how he would know about Tiana's history, it's sensible that as Voodoist aka a Witch Doctor, he would use scrying and divination to understand those involved in his schemes. And because of his goal to that involved Big Daddy Labuff, he would need the know the people involved with the Rich Family and considering Tiana and Charlotte were so close, naturally he would look into her. Plus clearly he goes to the restaurant Tiana works at he could have learned of her that way.

The Shadow Man ain’t her daddy. This theory doesn’t make sense. It’s bad enough he died in the first place!! Let him be a hero. ❤️

What if, and this is totally far fetched, the shadow man is from the future and is a further descendant of Tiana? I mean he could be a grand son or great grandson who had fallen in love with some who is not royal. Or he could even be a descendant of Tiana's childhood friend Sharlet?

There’s a way he could’ve known alot about Tiana. Go to her best friend and get information. He probably talked to Tiana nicely because there’s a chance he had something similar to Tiana’s dream. Or He can see someone’s greatest desire

What’s your theory on the Horned king?

It’s already confirmed he was in the military of sorts just look at the picture on the dresser in the beginning of the movie.

He knows all that stuff cuz he is a shadow man lol the ghosts, his friends, probably told him all about her.

Yeah, about the kissing frog turning into a frog issue. Why did it only happen to Tiana? And by that I mean at the end of the movie her best friend kisses the frog and nothing happens even though at the time she was not a princess, if these are the rules why was she not turned into a frog as well? What's your theory on that?

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I feel like this could be true if you consider that making a voodoo deal cpuld have turned ones personality and morals around entirely. But it still feels a bit far fetched

This theory don’t even make sense 💀😂

He did voodoo and like you said made a deal to gain more powers his intuition probably told him he is not the father 😭 also zombies are a real thing had he been brought back idk if he'd be going around playing tricks people usually don't come back the same

Facilier: Tiana, I am your father Tiana: No thats not true. THATS IMPOSSIBLE!! Facilier: I'm sorry, but its the truth Tiana: *kneels down* Tiana: *currently in a mental breakdown*

the most impressive part of Tiana's father getting a medal was that he was a black man who got credit for his heroism in World War I. most times their white superior officers took all credit.

In descendants he has a daughter so Diana has a sister!!!👩🏽👩🏽

I always thought Dr. Faciliar looked a lot like Oscar Proud from Proud Family to me. 😂

Yeah This From the word go, This Theory DOES NOT HOLD WATER! Dr. Facilier is Voiced By Keith David, The voice of Goliath, and Thailog in Disney's GARGOYLES. And Tiana's Dad James is an Actor who loves to Play Characters Named James who work for the Military, I am of course Talking about the actor of IRON MAN, Terrence Howard. So in Conclusion James Died in War, and was a Hero to his Squad, and is a Victim of Disney Parent Syndrome. For Those who don't know what Disney Parent Syndrome is, It's when the Main Protagonist of a Disney Film is Either an Orphan, or had Both Parents but lost 1 Because He/She Died, Bambi's Mom, Mufasa, Coral/ Nemo's Mom, James/Tiana's Dad, The List goes On.

about history and medals, it is not only the second most important medal, but the most important medal a black man could earn in that age, so he could be perfectly someone who earned the most ranked condecoration, but being a black man they couldn't give it to him

NO! Don't you dare downgrade or tarnish her father. The man is dead. Dr. Facilier is the shadow man.... he does magic... err voodoo and shadows. Seriously, it's not too hard to have one of his shadows do recon, he's done a lot of things in the movie that that is a viable option. As for how he treats Tiana, perhaps he thinks she's pretty, or since they are both Black Americans, they feel a little more familiar. He also might have a sense of who she is and can relate to her. And no they don't look a like at all.

I'm going to be really honest, sometimes I think theorists get so caught up in whether they can spin something from nothing they don't stop to think if they should. How do I say this gently? When you claim Tiana's father and Dr. Facilier look similar, or have similar design, but offer up no verbal examples of what you mean by that, it comes off as if you cannot find a way to say it that does not specifically reference their noses and lips, or give any clear examples of what you mean by that really... It just feels kinda... what DO you mean by that? Can you support the similarities you supposedly see? Because all I see is an effort by Disney to draw black men with accurate facial structures and NOT an indication that they are supposed to uh... look or be exactly the same person. Further, can we have some respect for the very real people Tiana's father represented in the story? Actual brave black men who fought and died for their country despite being ineligible for certain types of service and under segregation when they could? Frankly, I don't think you know enough black history and culture to cover this sensitively and say the things you want to say in a way that's straightforward. I'm having trouble articulating how deeply I feel this speculation about selling ones' soul to the Voodoo Spirits and becoming indebted to them isn't the same as wondering if Chip could have been the Beasts illegitimate son based on mixed fictional lore from a the original movie, a straight to video sequel, and the live action remake. I'm not trying to come off as aggressive, I'm just wondering if anybody else has raised similar concerns about this video? Edit: Also, it's a children's movie. Why does the villian knowing a lot about Tiana have to be deeper than, "this is a magical, mystical, all-knowing supernatural force aligned with darkness?" It doesn't. It feels like you're reaching to turn a character Disney lovingly and intentionally depicted as a hero into a villain. This whole video feels like someone's unexplored anti-blackness on display.

I'm sooooo glad there's a video on this. I've always thought that Tiana's dad and Dr. Facilier were connected, or maybe even the same person. I sadly and not sadly do this with a lot of Disney movies and shows. The fact that someone's theory has seen the light makes me giddy.

He died from war

Dr.Facilier Jafar and Judge Frollo wearing Red Black and Purple Clothing ❤️🖤💜

Why didn't she ask how you know my daddy

her dream was no secret nor was Tiana's ambition to achieve it so knowing of the dream would not be a big thing to know about in the small town depending on how long you where a resident.

Are my eyes broken?! They look like 2 completely different people to me! The only slight and I mean slight similarity is the nose area and the shade of their skin.... Other then that, I see no similarities.... Am I broken?

nope. just nope.

“Anyone might turn to the dark side to protect their family.” ANIKAN anyone?

Before I watch the video can I suggest that the dad just wants to find the milk

The death of doctor facelicer made 6 yer old me cry and have a fear of voodoo dolls and spirits lol

Oh, KAY!

This thing about Dr. Facilier does not make sense at all; If Tiana's father had managed to survive the war; he would've been in his late 40's/early 50's; he would not have looked as young as the Voodoo man looks now; it is impossible to have the time in between to practice something as serious as voodoo magic: You have to start as early as either a teen or be of twenty years of age for that and Tiana's father was already in his mid 20's before he joined the army.

He died during ww1 actually look at his military uniform in the picture. This movie is based in the 20's you can tell by the clothes . And fun fact Tiana was actually 17 . The oldest Disney princess in the cannon of Disney princesses is actually Cinderella at 19 this is fact snow white is youngest at 13 . Ariel was 16 etc.

Okie dokie then.

No. Facilier also knew what Prince Naveen and his servant wanted, too, so by that logic, he would have to be their father as well. So that doesn't work.

Deluxe is contradicting her own theories; but I appreciate her theory.

Ppl like to reach with these theories lol

For the sake of the argument let’s say they are the same person. You “make a deal with the devil” and it has consequences. Maybe one of the consequences was him being completely unrecognizable in features that even if he were to go back home to his wife and daughter they wouldn’t have accepted him as himself. That can take a toll on one’s mental health, possibly causing him to spiral out of control and turn into the crazy creep that he is, instead of the respected man he once was. Or, again, consequences of him making a deal with these voodoo spirits is that it corrupted his soul, or broke his soul so that he wasn’t his former self. From there he could’ve used his magic to change his appearance to reflect his new character, or by having his soul corrupted that could have been what changed his appearance. Now, on the other side of the argument, they’re not the same person. He’s a voodoo practitioner. Why wouldn’t he have used some voodoo magic to get in Tiana’s head to figure out her hopes and dreams to then use it against her. You don’t have to personally know someone to know their innermost desires. You just need to have the right spell or potion.

It's made clear that Shadow Man eavesdrops and pays attention to the city around him, like the newspaper that tells him about Naveen. Tiana is well known in the area. Add in the spirits are believed to be the power and the ones that deliver info as well, and he doesn't need anything else. Easiest way to get someone like Tiana to listen is to appeal to the nurturing friend nature and the spirits would be using her own mind against her so her dream setting in her head along with the photo she carried and what was considered rich for the time was all he needed. Trying to turn a good father and dedicated war hero into the soulless villain here seems like the racism didn't get left back in the era of the movie.

They actually explained it in once upon a time that he died fighting a war

I feel more like he made a deal with the shadow man, that ultimately cost his life, trying to get tiana her dream.

So thats why dr fecilier was a good dad to celia in decendants

They only way I can see this making any sense is if Tiana's father was on the brink of death at some point during his time on the western front and made a deal with the voodoo spirits to get back to his family, as for the difference in appearance, attitude and behaviour? Say the combination of the war and his deal with the voodoo spirits warped him both physically and mentally so bad that his mind snapped and adopted the personality of Dr Facilier, whilst retaining some knowledge of Tiana from his past life's memories

uh maybe the shadow man is Tiana's uncle and Tiana couldn't remember the shadow man as her uncle its just what i thought instead of the shadow man being Tiana's dad.

What happened to Tiana’s dad is explained in Almost There, a twisted tale

Ok, no. This is one i can't believe. It's too hard to believe un top of that it still has some loose ends to it.

voodoo isnt dark magic.

Dr.Facilier could have been a war buddy or sibling of Tiana’s father which would solve why he knows more about Tiana than she knows about him but, explaining why he spoke personally to Tiana.

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So let's go war hero d.i.a or m.i.a theory.1:the family would get that metal after a while if mia or sooner if they bring a body with it...2m.i.a he could had not Ben found and shellshock or just depressed now he turn to that. Like u said it's the culture there and watch Disney or anything or in life it's a thin line from bloodwhatever or be good

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Both characters looking nothing alike!

I don't think it make sense for the dad to die during the war..the poster has '20s styling same as the movie. He couldn't have given the poster before he left for battle with it's style.

They look nothing a like