Totally. No bullshit, just openness and honesty. I hope they get filthy rich.

Agreed!!@@petermclennan6781

he's no terdreau that's for sure

Not wrong. His emotional reaction to Sandy's praise says it all

Yeah, guy talks the trade, does not spear warm air, is humble on his legs. Much respect!

They have a great KZfaq channel. Walks u through the whole project

Me to!!!!! 🎉

Honestly the best advertising they could do is get a bunk for the bitch bring it to a nasty block and get it loaded right up with logs and record everything, battery and fuel usage

You know they will. They've already guaranteed that they will make sure to never over-supply the market.

As a modern hotrodder This is literally a restomod truck taken to its logical conclusion

I was so stunned, words can’t describe how honoured I was that Sandy Munro liked what we did

@@EdisonMotors It showed! You guys should be very proud of your efforts! We need more industry that uses your “Keep it simple” attitude.

@@EdisonMotorsyou guys rock! Very nice presentation and I love the attention to detail and the design philosophies with the cat generator, cable wraps as west indicators, switch costs, etc.

I wish they would get that at management level. I hear and see the exact same through my job but before you get the mindset of a big OEM changed years go by. And then you speak with the Purchasing dept. again and need to save again on every damn bolt or make a proper plan on why they need to be so strong. Aaargh. It's an endless loop. I also started as a young aspiring engineer but 15 years of HD vehicle quality & test engineering later I am just like the rest of them...

and being s*****d by «consultant» pirate friends-of-the-Government and shameless colluding politicians!

True but Edison worked with DC and DC motors. Edison's nemesis, Nikola Tesla, invented the 3-phase AC motor technology that modern EV's use.

@@Tron-Jockey the comment obviously refers to the work of Edison Motors, not Thomas Edison. The "Edison" name for the company is basically a bad joke intended as a shot at Tesla (the car company, not the person), and unrelated to the technology used in the truck. They may eventually regret it; for now it's just slightly amusing and the source of some confusion.

They're using LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate) batteries which have less energy than more typical ternary Li-ion like NCA and NMC (NCA and NMC employ nickel and cobalt which can have significant environmental, humanitarian and safety issues). LFP avoids all these issues and offers 2x to 3x the life of NCA and NMC. The only drawback to LFP is about 35% less energy storage capability. However, the newest version (due to start manufacture in 2024) is LMFP which adds manganese to the cathode. LMFP offers a substantial increase in energy density over standard LFP. LMFP has a gravimetric energy density of 240 Wh/kg and a volumetric energy density of 525 Wh/l which are close to NCA and NMC. They can also last up to 4000 full charge cycles (NMC and NCA are typically good for only 1500 charge cycles).LMFP could allow Edison to offer a version of this truck with battery only or give the existing truck about 30% more range.

​@Tron-Jockey edison could actually offer a very functional all electric version of this already, they would have competitive range at lower speeds compared to the rest of the market. Being that this truck is designed for almost exclusively offroad use, that low speed thing isn't a detriment. If they take full advantage of the electric semi weight break in the U.S. it's even better.

​@admiral_peck7834 The issue with all electric is the battery weight reducing load weight. With hybrid, the battery can be much smaller

​@@frenchonion4595the Cat generator doesn't weigh nothing. If you can get the range you need out of the equivalent extra weight in batteries then you'd be better off with that. The great part is I reckon these guys will have it modular so you can either slot in the generator, or the extra batteries, depending upon your use case.

You're missing the biggest point. You don't need to plug this thing in. You don't need a grid system to accommodate charging. The generator is constantly topping up your batteries so extra batteries just aren't needed. @@morosis82

Which parts do you mean? On the outside sure, Metal is often better but on the inside it is not necessery since what Forces has it to take?

@@Luca-gj4yi I have owned trucks going back to 1979. Trucks inside and out from that era were made to last and be easy and inexpensive to repair. Go back and listen to the exchange surrounding the dimmer switch. The CEO was trying to explain his logical choice to Sandy, and Sandy was worried about dirty boots. Mount a boot brush to the step... problem solved. Sandy is an engineer and I value his expertise, but his POV, his business is advising large OEMs on how to make things cheaper, easier, and faster. The CEO mentioned plastic air lines. OEMs like plastic air lines because they can be used together with quick connect fittings and save 15 mins on the assembly line. Quick connect fittings will begin to leak before the truck expires. There are probably 100 of these fittings on a truck, many that are impossible to get to without disassembling components to get at them. An air leak anywhere on the truck can have you put "out-of-service" on the side of the road and the truck either has to be towed or repaired right there before the truck is allowed to be moved. These fittings are an ongoing headache for truck owners. Many hours and much expense to maintain them. 15 mins to the good of the OEM...15 years of grief and expense for the truck owner. Modern trucks are increasingly built with proprietary vital parts instead of the off-the-shelf parts of yesterday. If you're operating in a remote location or you break down in one, you won't find these parts at the closest truck parts distributor and you will, like the OEM explained will be multiple times more expensive and you will most likely have to wait days and pay expediting fees to get the part shipped to you...why, because it somehow benefits the OEM, either faster assembly or more profits from parts sales. Truck cabs take a beating because the suspension has to be designed to handle heavy loads. Truck cabs sit over a solid front axle that usually have stacked leaf springs. That is not going to be a plush ride! Plastic interior parts: plastic HVAC ducting and actuators, plastic dashboards, plastic gauges rattle and break down before the truck expires... again, proprietary, over-priced replacement parts. Unless you have experienced what I'm describing, you may find it hard to get your mind around. This CEO understands! Truck owners understand. OEMs are too busy looking to barely out-do each other while extracting as much as possible from their customers.

​@@nooneyouknow7036 I love that Chace and company specifically mentioned that they want to build the truck using parts that are available at any truck shop, repair shop, farm eqx shop, or local auto parts store. Absolutely phenomenal planning. These guys are gonna blow the heavy vocational market clean out of the water!

​@Luca-gj4yi plastic air lines for one. In my short 2 years trucking, I was out of commission and missing loads because a stupid air line had a hole rubbed in it 4 or 5 times.

@@nooneyouknow7036heck, based on what you’re saying, these guys could make a diesel truck just the same and probably sell out just because of how it’s built.

Yup. So much BS and hot air from the Silicon Valley/Vulture capitalists. I wish them Edison the best.

Hydraulics always have "real hoses". The excessively stiff and heavy hoses that Chace pointed out are being used for air, for which relatively flimsy tubing is often used.

@@brianb-p6586yeah if a hydraulic line bursts it'll be a bad bad day

I'd love to see that happen! I feel like Sandy wanted to drive it off right there!

"An Edison truck"? There's only one; they're standing in front of it, and it is not ready for anyone else to drive.

@@brianb-p6586 To be more generous, quoting the Tesla point of view (Elon's, not Nikola's), "Prototypes are easy; production is hard." One hopes they can manufacture these for an adequate profit.

​@@brianb-p6586That's Topsy, their SECOND truck.

@bbeen40 Edison has only built one truck. Before this prototype (which they call "Topsy"), they converted an old truck (which they call "Carl"). They didn't build Carl - it's a Kenworth. And Carl isn't a functional truck, because the powertrain components can't handle real work. Carl is a conversion project using parts salvaged from a Tesla car, like many other other hobbyist projects; while Edison Motors calls it a "concept truck", it is not an Edison truck, and not a prototype of their design.

Knowledgeable about trucking logs, yes, but "everything about making hybrid electric trucks"? 🤣

@@brianb-p6586 He has a university education, I don't remember quite in what field, but somewhat relatable. Anyways, his co-founder Eric is the expert on making the trucks hybrid.

@basstrammel1322 Chace apparently has a degree in economics. Eric seems like a nice guy, and arranges solar power installations, but doesn't know anything about hybrid trucks; his video about their truck is cringeworthy.

@@brianb-p6586 I just took it from their site. "He has become a respected industry leading expert on solar, batteries and hybrid power generation and was able to help apply those idea’s into the chassis of a semi truck."

That’s a good idea! Thanks

That is probably cheaper than fabricating a simple lever and moving the switch further back near the fire wall. Keeps the switch easier to reach for replacement as well

The problem with that is you usually take off a condom AFTER you have been screwed If you take it off before hand then you are doubly screwed.

@@EdisonMotors- you can probably put an old school dash mounted toggle switch in parallel with the on-floor high beam switch… so a broken floor switch can still be bypassed until the shift is over, from a safety perspective

@@DavidHalko And then wire them like two-way switches so that you don't need to remember which one you had on.

They could have made the hood lower by dropping the generator into the frame rails, but decided to keep it higher to make it easier to service. They've had a lot of input from mechanics.

Every decision was made to keep operating cost and maintenance low. From the top to bottom everything was purchased at the local parts shop that could be. Even the power control system is essentially standard off the shelf inverters, converters, and switching gear.

These boys definitely do not want 'HR' ...😂

@@MarkRose1337I hope the regeneration absorb enough under massive loads since there’s no Jake Brake.

@@TamagoHead It can hold back more than a Jake brake

Good to see a product without built in obsolescence.

@@charleswillcock3235 yeah, that's one of Chace's big things, no planned obsolescence. He managed to keep from going on a rant about that.

One thing that Sandy didn't ask about was the cost savings on brake wear because of regenerative deceleration. Could be considerable in reducing downtown and parts.

​​@@martinhicks6020 he did mention it, sort of, when he talked about the regen braking and how he rarely uses the brakes in the Lightning. Implied, more like. @ 3:39 and 17:28 he implies the savings on brakes

I agree that the advantage of regenerative braking was discussed with regard to fuel savings, but I was hoping for more indication of actual cost savings from reductions in downtime and parts over the life of the vehicle.

That's just fuel too. Sounds like this thing will stay in service longer and have less downtime and less to maintain.

These electric vehicles talk about how much money they save on fuel but dont ever say how much they spend on electricity.

@@everettwalker9141 that saving is generally inclusive of electricity. The Tesla Semi that PepsiCo have been running apparently does about 1.7kWh per mile, so assuming electricity is 0.20/kWh (California) that would be $340/1000 miles. A similar diesel truck uses about 7.25mpg, at $6.40/gal (again in Cali) for a cost of $885/1000 miles. See So if you put 100k miles a year on the vehicle that's about $54,500 a year just in fuel savings, for a semi operating in California. In BC where these guys operate it's $2/litre and 0.12/kWh I believe, so that would be $1015 of diesel vs $205 in electricity. That's about $80k per 100k miles savings. These logging trucks would have a much different duty cycle though, would be interesting to see how much electricity they use given that EVs typically perform even better at low speeds.

@@everettwalker9141 $4.50/100km

@@morosis82 Especially with the near extinction of purpose built "off road trucks", everything now is just a highway truck with a lift kit, easily broken junk.

Yes, that's the origin of the name. It is at least as stupid as all of the names used by people who have no right to use the name: Tesla, Nikola, Edison..,

@@brianb-p6586 Faraday future.

Mass produced vehicles right now are literally just copy cats of each other, where more and more of the vehicle is made from the cheapest possible materials.

That made me laugh so much. It's chipmunk approved.😆

Chase almost broke his arm putting an axle in. Talk about a hands-on CEO.

Ditto. India penalized electric scooters/moped makers who abused tax incentives by using sub assemblies from we know where.

Chace shows zero educational background or professional qualifications in his LinkedIn profile... only his experience as owner of SEI Logistics (the solar trailer company) and CEO of Edison Motors. Any rational professional lists relevant background in their LinkedIn profile. There was a mention in one video that he has a university degree... in history. I don't think there is anyone in the company with technical qualifications; Eric has some qualifications in investment services. I'm not criticizing Chace for a lack of education or technical qualifications. He doesn't claim them and others shouldn't claim them for him.

Chace got a Bachelor of Arts with a major in economics from Thompson Rivers University.

​​​@@brianb-p6586Chace and his business partner bought their 1st logging truck (it was sitting in a field, if I recall correctly) for $4000. Overhauled and rebuilt it; ran it for years. Made $$ and bought more trucks. Point being, they certainly learned a lot repairing that 1st logging truck, and have only gotten more knowledge and experience since then. (Chace also drove logging trucks before they owned that 1st truck.) If Elon Musk does not care about education as much as problem solving ability... Also: R G LeTourneau started out as a construction contractor. He kept building his own equipment because he came up with better designs than what he could afford to buy, so he built his own. He never went past 8th grade, but was a naturally skilled designer/builder, and was a legendary crazy hard worker. Reading his book "Mover of Men and Mountains", he said he had a hard time figuring out if he was a construction contractor or a heavy equipment manufacturer.

Look for that next year, perhaps.

That is peak efficiency some of the loggers might get there.

That's like when I had to walk to school. Up-hill both ways.

👍On a MUCH smaller scale, our i3 REx (94k miles, trouble-free) has me convinced that series hybrid is perfect for this application, too.

There is no driven front axle option because there no product yet. They have talked about a driven front axle, but haven't built a prototype of a truck with one yet, and haven't allowed for one in the design. There is no "typical" buying process for something that no one has been able to purchase yet. The idea of driven trailer axles, or even specifically electrically driven trailer axles, is not new. Edison people have talked about it, but have not done anything about it. That's true of alternative engine and fuel types, and various other ideas... they're just obvious ideas, not part of the reality of this truck or company.

I follow the Edison Motors channel (and many of the people here should too) and I'm here, so the answer is at least one.

One point missed here is that this EV Truck design is much much much more realistic even for everyday trucking. Saves on fuel and saved on wear and tear of the diesel engine since in this application, the engine runs at a steady rpm as it is only used to recharge the battery. Unfortunately that was let well covered here.

They're working on a retrofit hybrid system for pickup trucks.

Tesla Semi has a third motor for additional regen. The energy used going uphill is replaced during regenerative braking downhill.

Money was made that day based on that statement

@@Mr7O5 i think MrMunro's opinion is solid gold friend. It was fascinating to me , to see MrMunro's process when evaluating Chase's truck, ..i felt like i could "hear" the gears change in Munro's head as he adjusted his advice to a 'fledgling" Company capable of building "Tens" and possibly "Hundreds" of trucks, when he listed to Chase describe some features.. MrMunro is a "MONSTER" when it comes to production in the Millions hired by Companies that make Billions. As i say it was fascinating to watch this ,.."Braintrust" switch gears.

To be fair.... I had that same thought!

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Elon Musk is a hype man, not an engineer. He can sell the public and shareholders on a product, but he's shit at actually designing things. Where his companies (which have been legion) actually do well is where Elon steps back to leave his engineers to do the job he pays them for, instead of micromanaging. I don't get that vibe from Chace. He's much more down to earth instead of head-in-the-clouds like Musk.

Both good smelling! 😎

They're both hybrids, but other than that, no. The Voltec system is far more sophisticated than this straightforward series hybrid.

@@brianb-p6586 Voltec was also series hybrid architecture. Motor under the hood was a generator powering an electric drive.

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