Welcome to ForgottenWea... ForgottenCoolers, I am Ian... I mean Roman

The power draw of current Intel CPUs will never cease to amaze me in a negative way. 300W for a CPU is absolutely ridiculous.

the v8 was my first ever high performance cpu cooler i ever bought, i remember looking at the v10 and just laughing at how ridiculously big it is

It's probably regulating the voltage to only 7v since the temp sensor is not warm. Also would be interesting if you had swapped the TEC for a higher current one, to see if it had done anything, probably not though, TECs are really useless. 😅

Your videos showing unique coolers from the past are amazing. Late 00's was the time of total craziness in CPU coolers design and it's amazing thing to show and test today. This one was pretty sophisticated, but mentioned time was all about trying hard to be different even if it was only shape of the heatsinks like e.g. Scythe used to love with e.g. Grand Kama Cross or Orochi. Until you tested it, you couldn't know if it's some highly advanced engineering or just some freak show, so they were always starting with being impressive : )

Would've loved to see what happens when you simply remove the TEC and screw the mounting plates directly against one another, might give you slightly better results?

Love seeing these videos looking at older bits of kit! Most of this stuff came out when I was too young to afford any of it. Now I'm an Electrical Engineer and love looking back at the old-school stuff and how they did things.

Pretty wild design on the V10! Might add some support on that wing it has. I love your commitment and milling out brackets for the old cooler. Amazing what we can do with the proper tools

appreciate the dedication to took it apart and repaired it. Most reviews would end with "welp, that's that" and leave us with nothing, or pretending that all is fine. The fact that you tried to repair the controller, and even ordered a replacement tec is very good.

Back in the day I had a friend that had one of these. I was so jellous. I kept trying to design how I would implement a TEC for an EPIC build. Now that I am an engineer and can run the numbers, it's clear how impotent TECs are for moving lots of energy. I am no longer jellous.

The temperature sensor is there so the tec is not at 100% while the cpu is idle in order to avoid condensation, whennyou measured 20w on the tec you had the temperature sensor on the air, so kt was probably not pumping more so it does not make/freeze condensation.

Roman, there is no such thing as negative feedback. It was all about the novelty and getting your name into more people's mouth. And it worked it's job

I always enjoy these videos on comparing old tech with new to see what is better.

Wonderful to have this to play with. Thank you for letting me join in.

Finally some content on this. I had the V8 back in the day and thought that was BIG

Oh whoa I remember this! I had the original V8, which was a lot more reasonable IMO. Always wanted that V10 though

I love these old tech reviews. Keep them coming 👍

Maybe the peltier was not getting cold because the temp sensor was just sitting in room temp air while you were testing?

these are the best content on pc's nowerdays :D so fun to watch old products reviewd

Bravo der8auer, your milling adapters never cease to amaze, as good as if not better than stock, looks likt it was always ready for 14th gen.

The concept did work once upon a time...a LONG time ago. I once built a machine with the legendary Celeron 300A. I had a cooler with a TEC on the heat synch for that. It was able to hit an insane overclock at the time of 550, stay chilly and stable. Unfortunately the utility ended there, beyond that processor TEC just doesn't do much of anything.

I needed a Cooler for my Z79 Sabertooth board that had a backplate. I had everything assembled and realized this, so I went to the local PC shop. They had a V10 and V8 that would work. The V10 looked impressive but even I was worried how it would fit and hang off the motherboad in my HAF 932 case. In the end I went with the V8 and that setup is still going strong playing all my modern-retro games. Just in case, I have another V8 in the box. The HAF cases and V8 coolers were quite the home run back then for HEDT. Funnily enough, I used an old CoolerMaster PSU, Antec case fan and TEC to build my mom a wine chiller fridge, with a thermo controller to keep things chilled to 10C. That's what a TEC of that size is good for :)

G'day Roman, Shiek & Makita, I am really loving these crazy coolers you are testing

TEC can transfer very limited amount of heat - and here we are way beyond that. Fortunately, heat transfer curves are available in the datasheets. 12706 TEC that you selected - is among the weakest in the 127 line. But even 12715 - can only transfer ~70W with decent deltaT of ~30°C. So to cool 14900 one would need 4x 12715 TEC, and run them at combined current of at least 50-60A (that's 720W of extra heat!!!). This is definitely doable, but not in this arrangement. With dual water loop probably... This original product could have worked with low-power CPU's of the past, consuming some 10-20-30W of power, not more. There it could have cooled below ambient.

Why has someone ripped off K9 (from Dr Who) head and tried to use it as a CPU cooler?! 😢🤦‍♂️

Man I had that cooler attached into my first true high end pc in the x58 platform ,that cooler served me well for 11 years. It was loud but also the cpus wasn't drawing so many watts plus I had an overclocked Xeon into that machine.

I really enjoy these kinds of videos, ty

I used to have a V10 and if memory serves the thermostat for the TEC is set such that it only powers up fully when it senses 70 degrees celsius, which will throw off attempts at measuring it without putting a load on the cpu first. It also means that even on lower power cpus it would never have them running particularly cold as that would be a huge waste of electricity for not much tangible gain.

great video thy for testing old tech its very interesting.

I remember selling this V10 cooler. We didn't think all that much of it, but water cooling was very exotic at the time, almost no one did that. The Core2duo 45nm of the time used 45w TDP, so this TEC was not as under sized as it may seem today. There was a V8 version that didn't have the TEC and was actually decent value. Still I think the Thermaltake 120mm tower cooler or Zalman copper ORB cooler was the go to option of the day. The Zalman came with a manual fan controller, which was an awesome feature in the age before motherboards had full feature fan speed management.

I had the v8 version for many years over 3 cpu lifespans,,it still works like a charm!

Wow that thing has 10 combustion cylinders arranged in a V shape? Amazing!!

I had one of these back in the day. Exact thing happened to my tac with the burnt connector. Haven't brought anything coolermaster since and I replaced the cooler pretty quickly as well.

Isn't that the head of Doctor Who's robodoggie K9?

Man, I remember this cooler. I really wanted 1 so bad but they just wont fit in my case. So I settled with the V8 instead. Works well till today, still havent failed yet.

That CoolerMaster cooler, looks like the head of K9 from old Dr.Who series.

I owned one back in the days, after some personal testing I had the same results. So, I modded it with a copper plate between the pipes, and it performed a little better.

had this cooler when it came out and i went through all the same thinking you did. cause i noticed it wasnt working well then i upgraded the tec and plugged it straight in to molex. still nothing changed... love the design cause it went great in my og haf case but disapointed the tec didnt do much. but this did get me to go down the tec rabbit hole. which was fun to mess with.

I still have its lesser brother the MK1 V8 which ran a Vishera cpu and barely broke a sweat even under heavy load like Forza Horizon 3 and 4. When I had just the stock cooler that came with the Vishera 8 core, it was a problem to stop thermal shutdown under load but the V8 just threw off the heat with a shovel. Its funny that after watching your video on the CM flower cooler with the mega sized heat pipe, I like yourself didn't get that good a performance so I lapped to a mirror shine the foot of the baseplate and replaced thermal paste with phase changing thermal material and now its performing superbly, even at max load on my Ryzen 5 it rarely crosses the 50 degrees mark.

WOW!!! I have a V10!!!! My old computer was giving me problems so I built a new machine in June of '09 and this is the cooler I chose for it. I never benchmarked it, but my computer never had any cooling problems. I got a few photos of the machine right after I assembled it and first turned it on. I have to admit, it looked GOOD!!!! Nowadays I choose my cooler based on how well it tests. With all that metal, I think if you got rid of the TEC and maybe the shroud and just had the radiator unit and fans (upgraded fans?) you might have an improvement.

Imagine if they'd made a W16 model! Oddly Brian (Yes Tech City) was having a nightmare with the smaller V8 this week, with rounded off mounting screws on a FX build.

I was a fan of those coolers from CM, the V8 and V12 looke awesome!

Back in 2010 I built a PC using this cooler, damn that cooler was huge! The components I used back then was: -AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition -ASUS Crosshair IV Formula, Socket-AM3 -Corsair Dominator DHX+ DDR3 1333MHz 8GB (x2) -XFX Radeon HD 5970 2GB GDDR5 (x2 in crossfire) -Silverstone Strider ST1500, 1500W PSU -Cooler Master V10 CPU-cooler -Silverstone Fortress II Midi Tower (black) -Corsair SSD Force Series F120, 120GB -Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB

I was using a TermalFake Tower 112 all copper and I was looking at the V10, BUT I was sick and tired dealing with a heavy air coolers and got something like H60 from there to fractal design kelvin 120mm, but it was not enough for 9590, so I toke the h60 radiator, tubes, fittings and Monsoon Series Two D5 Premium Dual 5.25" Reservoir and made my fist open loop, I don't miss air cooling.

To keep it less vague, a TEC can either transfer it's rated power at no temperature difference, transfer no power at it's maximum temperature difference, or in practise something in between that. So to relate that to what Roman said, if this 70 W TEC at a max dT of, let's say, 50 C, then in some practical usecase you could tranfer that 35 W of heat with some usable temperature difference of some 10's of C between the sides. And on top of that you need to get rid of the power the TEC itself uses, which is typically 2-3 times the transfered power.

It did a lot!! It meant that coolermaster had an 'also ran' product so that they were at least thought of by customers who were excited about peltier coolers. You're absolutely right that there wasn't any/much benefit to customers, but this product did exactly what it was supposed to. It's just that what it accomplished were entirely benefits for coolermaster. The same is true for a lot of products available today. In fact, if we can go by history, this approach is probably more endemic and more covert.

Excellent review.

Ahaha I used to own one of these, absolutely blown away to see it again :-D

I got this cooling fan for $22 on the secondary market. I understand now that its real thermal power is 220 watts. I like. Thanks for your research. Like+

Most impressive 15yr old cooler yet tho! Love this series of old tech

I remember these coolers, people used to hype them up all the time. When it comes to super interesting coolers there was also the Scythe Orochi, it was a giant passive / semi passive cooler. I kinda wish Scythe brings it back now that silent cool builds are more popular than ever and it would compare w/ the Noctua NH-P1.

25° ambient is rough, man. My ambient temp has been down to 15° and I'm loving it. Anything over 20° and I'll start sweating

I had a peltier setup which I used with a Slot A 900 which was a 50w cpu. I it was setup up as a staged system with 2 70w attached to the slot a, then the second stage had 6 70w. Both stages where operating at about 1/3 their capacity so I was roughly getting 2/3 of the potential delta available. Overall I was getting temps at about -35 c at load but I was also burning through about 610w. They only work well if your only a fraction of their potential heat load because the delta vs load is roughly liner.

i remember this thing! i wanted one so badly. shame to see it didnt live up to the hype (or pricetag) at the time

I actually owned one of these for my X58 build back in the day and remember replacing it with the Prolimatech Megahalems because it fit my case much better. I remember owning the V8 as well and not getting that much more performance out of the V10.

Started as a Review ... ended up by being a repair ... SO COOL dayum XD I love this so much

The design was crazy!

Dead pixel top left in your camera had me checking if my screen was dirty lol

back in the day these type of cooler was a holy grail for me ... i mean by today standarts its not working ... but marketing and beliving made all the difference

i just amazed on the amount of current density on each power via within the layes of the motherboard let alone the cpu , to handle it, its like 150 amps if for say 2v feed.

I would take the fan on the front of the dark pro off myself, excellent video btw

Great video Roman, I remember the CM v10 1st time round and thought gimmick, any chance you can test one of the gigabyte 3D copper cooler ultra coolers that gave the centrifugal fan???

the new center fan mount for the pro 5 is so much better than on my pro 4

Is there room to flip it around 180 degrees and put the overhang over the VRM section of the motherboard? if so that would have aided cooling of the VRMs back in the days when this came out as VRMs in those days didn't have heatsinks on most motherboards

Thank you. That was cool.

I remember using stacked TECs with heat pipe coolers. Trying to cool a 200w+ TDP CPU with one is crazy, they just can't move that much heat. You would need around 1kw of TECs to move that much heat. I had 2 70w TECs stacked to cool 35w-40w AMD processors. You had to insulate the socket because once it got below the dew point the moisture would accumulate, freeze and short things out. Crazy times back then.

Interesting video as always. Maybe have a look at the old Thermaltake Typhoon CPU cooler - it beat most at the time and one of only a few good products that Thermaltake has ever produced imo.

The heatsink design really reminds me of the prolimatech genesis, it too used a vertical and horizontal heatsink.

Whew, your camera made me think I had a stuck pixel on my OLED monitor, that would not have been a good day!

13:58 yessss this is what i want in a video!

Oh man. I remember I had the Coolermaster V8 GTS on my shopping list but for whatever reason I didn't end up getting it. I got a Noctua instead.

I used this V10 cooler back in the day with my 2600k before I switched to a AIO. The TEC doesn't kick in till it hits a certain temperature.

Now i will watch your CM V8 tower vintage review

I had one of these back in the day. I had replaced the TEC with something around 100W. It still had no meaingful impact on temperatures.

Nice reveiw, how about making it work better by increase voltages into TEC. Will that make a different?

I have two V10, a V6Gt, and V8, where can I find mounting kits for those to use it on LGA 1700?

These were probably sold, when those big towers were sold. But in standard cases, this would be a problem? Any way, this is the first time I see this massive cooler, great video Roman :)

the Peltier transduction system works , but is power is limited .I wave one on a portable cooler that I can connect to 230V or 12V DC,the hot side heat-sink on the outside is cooled by a blower fan , and it manages to keep the drinks/food cold for several hours .however isn't ideal to cool something that generates heat , so l’m not surprised to see that fail . maybe it was enough for a P4 or Core2Duo ...

what is that connector wth the little wattage draw meter on the graphic card thats freakin neat

Could you test it replacing the TECwith a solid copper shim and see if they would've just been better off using all the heatpipes to directly dissipate heat instead trying to throw in a TEC as a gimmick?

2:19 I agree about this viewing angle, the external fan seems to be an afterthought. 16:43 How this product made it to the market, Theory 1: To gain an ROI after the money spent/lost on R&D. P.S. my cats 😸 miss your cats 😺 when i watch the show haha! 😂

Wonder if would change anything if the tec was "deleted". Connecting the tec heatsink direct to the cpu heatsink

i had the V6/V6GT V8/V8GT and loved everysecond of them (legi just swapped them because the fans failed, and some of them had "custom" fans, always dreamed with the V10

I remember this monstrosity. I had thought about going with this one for my LGA1366 i7 920 build back in '09-'10, but I ended up going with the trusty old Prolimatech Megahalems (still have it around, a pity it can't be used anymore with newer sockets...).

I still have an old xp system of running a V6 GT .works still great after all these years. I remember being interested in the V10 but decided against it

this makes me want to add custom peltier cooling to my water loop.

AM5 delid, Peltier cooler between cpu & heatsink, air coler for the Peltier. Would it be any *worse* than leaving it stock?

In my experience, TECs are the business if you want to pump heat _uphill_ - e.g. cooling a camera sensor to well below ambient temperature. In CPU heatsink applications, it seems like they are often/always going to end up trying to pump heat _downhill_ and it also seems like they are pretty damn faily at doing that 🙂 (even before the controllers fail!). Heatpipes are awfully good at transferring heat downhill...

I remember back at that era seeing a more conventional cooler with a peltier element, or thermoelectric couple. It cost £70 and I could see that it wasn't going to be that good. This was before the era of heatpipes. They have their uses, water distillers use peltier elements to make a condensation plate.

You know what I thought was funny? That it took me until last night to realized what DerBauer meant... And I even speak and read German. Mensch!! Lol

How good is it at cooling when you remove the peltier module and screw the other half directly onto the cooler?

brasil aqui mano, seus videos e top acompanho sempre tmj meu amigo.

How can i get my hands on that offset mounting kit here in america? Would love tontry it on my 5800x.

What would happen if you connected the secondary heatsink directly to the heatpipes? WIthout the TEC in the middle.

It is better to call the "tech" by its name, Peltier cooling element. "Tech" can mean so much.

this is funny to watch especially because I used to have one i was like 15 and bought it because it looked cool

small thought, if they make the aluminum fins criss-cross/hatch, that would make the cooling surface area larger and make it more efficient.. any thoughts why still no on the market?

Back in the days when I was using an AMD Phenom II X4 955 black @ 4Ghz, I was using a Titan Fenrir cooler with a pair of scythe 120mm fans in push/pull configuration that were (allegedly) good for 104cuft/min. I figured this to be around 210 - 220 watts of cooling(ish) The system actually ran at 26C on the mobo and never nore than 36C on the cpu. Of course, this was in an oversize case that had another 8 of the same fans pulling in and blowing air out.... It sounded like a jet fighter taking off.!!!

i like this kind of videos with old tech 😁 amazing how that actually didnt change anything but still they sold it ahahah, i was thinking about replacing oldd fans but i think that makes no differences, right? ofc only for testing purpose, with the technology we have now is completely useless XD

nice video!