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Yeah I saw the Lessons in meme culture channel appear and I was like "Uh why isn't this guy getting bullied off the platform like BTM was?!" makes no damn sense.

Sucks how LIMC is loved but BTH was Hated

as far as my understanding goes, BTM just read off KnowYourMeme pages verbatim, and the overly cheery attitude has that soulless youtube kids content feel.

The reason is because Lesson in Meme Culture is more informative and well-researched on the latest meme, his voice is more calm and the editing is simplistic while Behind The Meme, while being also informative, just copied off from a Know Your Meme website on the script and his video quality and editing isn't the best neither his humor. Though, I can give BTM some credit for explaining the origin of memes (it's just poorly executed and he should do better than that). Without him, then there would be no LIMC. Still, that doesn't justified the hate he got. After all, it's just funny memes and it shouldn't be taken seriously.

@@bobthespam Except that BTM ain't a robot just like Watchmojo than what people made out to be.

Yeah it's like one of those kinds of people who use the term "Alpha" or "beta" or "sigma" unironically, it's so stupid and close minded to think that people can be classified into normies and non.normies, no person on this earth is 100% normal, and no we all have generic and mainstream things we like as much as underground's things we like

Haven't heard the word "normie" in ages. Feels like the late 2010s

Okay normie lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Or Chad...... gah

My guy just roasted 90% of Reddit

They honestly bullied this poor guy, for what memes.

Essentially: "How dare you explain jokes?!?"

@@balazscsotai8354 Yeah, what's wrong with doing that?

​@worthybutter2004 it makes the joke unfunny

@@adamgingibbins2751How? I find it funnier when I know the origin

​@@adamgingibbins2751 Except with memes, you really might need an explanation

HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS! bro I remembered how my friend and I got ridiculed for being into btm during the peak of the emplemon video and I never understood why he even gotten hated. he was doing what he loved to do and I just found people over reacting. like bro it's just a dude explaining memes. touch grass.

Tbh the memes people claimed he "killed" were fucking obnoxious as well. The drama was just embarrassing for everyone involved.

Le redditors

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thats where you're wrong kiddo. eg drake meme.

I do honestly think he was experiencing severe suicidal ideation at that point. This is what many suicidal people do. They often make references to their suicide in non-serious ways (jokes, artwork/poetry, obsession with the macabre, etc) as a way to air out the thought, see how others react, see how it sounds to themselves. They normalize the idea to themselves. It's also a cry for help, a way of telling others that they're thinking about killing themselves in a way that is easier than saying to someone "I'm thinking of killing myself". I think he was in a low point in his life. I'm glad he decided not to do it and instead make a few disturbing videos instead. I doubt the videos atually hurt anyone even if they were in "bad taste" and it's not really ridiculous to see how they could raise awareness. I believe that his last video about how he "used to feel that way" might have been a lie to make people not worry about him anymore, and he was likely still feeling that way. I also help they functionally did work as a call for help, and his family and loved ones brought him to therapy. I can't get mad at him for making those videos. Really. Couldn't care less they were in bad taste. I can get mad at people for continuing to level abuse at the poor guy after these videos were made. I said it when it happened 5 years ago, and I'll say it again today. If anyone posts disturbing videos like these, they aren't looking for attention. They need HELP. Similar thing happened to Etika too. He started doing really disturbing things on livestream, and people accused him of "clowning for attention". Not long after he jumped off the Manhattan bridge. Can't help but feel if people took his disturbing behavior more seriously, he'd be alive today.

@@seanicus100 Not reading all that, but I’m glad for you or sorry that happened.

as long as his family, friends, and people in his actual life knew what was going on, I honestly think it was kind of a solid move. this is the assumption that he was just tired of people fucking with him and he essentially already decided to shut down the channel, and was not in fact doing something that would cause distress for those he knew. I imagine most who did it really did not care, but i imagine some of those who just constantly ragged this poor guy saw it and thought had killed himself might have to be confronted with the reality of their behavior. there is a huge difference between a one of troll or kind of shit talk online, but targeted and constant harassment is something that actually ruins lives, and I don't think people take the time to think about how shitty they can actually be

@@seanicus100 The last paragraph gives me a frown face when you mentioned Etika. I really missed him though. I heard him from a meme where he got really excited over a Nintendo character coming to Smash and gives me a good laugh of how great his reaction is.

@@seanicus100 my thoughts exactly. sometimes people need the two way mirror to fade to make them at least pause for a while and think about how shitty their character is. screens are depersonalizing, human communication is mostly nonverbal and our brains evolved for hundreds of thousands of years to pick up on subtleties and interaction that can not be replicated on a screen. moving from almost exclusively communicating the way we had for thousands of years to such a depersonalized way in just a decade or so is bound to end not perfectly.

Ppl just be taking KZfaq too serious. I'm seeing it with Tiktok too. Like when its not working out or they fall off they go insane like bro life isnt even that bad. Imagine you made like 800k in 2 years doing it and then the channel died. I'll be happy with that tbh

The term cringy is stupid

for me it sounded more like he thinks his audience is stupid, he seriously explained what a funeral is, shit content creator imo

I agree idk why people were so protective of memes from "normies" like who cares

Yeah, basically lots of uptight weirdos who needed to touch grass. They got much too invested in that.

And on the internet, the algorithm is King 👑

Unfortunately, it's easier said than done to ignore criticism.

@@seanicus100 honestly, yeah

@@seanicus100 It worked for MatPat. And now he has a big enough audience where he can make fun of people criticizing him for his misinformation videos and still get views from it rather than get the harassment BTM did.

@@seanicus100 "oh no people that don't know me are writing mean comments about me" *Wipes off tears with hundred dollar bills*

also, idk if everyone knows this, but there was a website called know your meme EVERYONE used when first seeing a new meme in the early 2010s.

Losers will be losers I guess

It's fucking pathetic

honestly. half of the memes he talked about were pretty much bound to drop off a bit anyway. meme culture is basically constantly evolving. one dude talking about memes in a "cringy" way isnt going to be doing shit when we're constantly changing our minds about what's cool and funny anyway

Emporoer lemon see himself as the custodian of meme culture as a godame internet king personally I think he is pure unadulterated cringe I did find him funny at one point when I 12 but now I just feel sad for him

Yeah and he was really smart not to use his "KZfaq" voice. I thought he was acting but using his real voice cast doubt.

He is mentally challenged and has a speech impediment.

Fun fact: He has since returned to KZfaq. He still makes videos about memes, and now has a kid.

His drunk acting was absolutely horrible and totally see-through. Still didn't deserve to be bullied like that though.

he probably knows by personal experience, it was pretty accurate (i dont drink thankfully, but i know people who do)

Yeah he couldn't handle the criticism so I'm glad he doesn't have to deal with it anymore

It felt like he actually was going to do it but got help and just said it was fake

@@doctorcrazy8500 I’ll give you that it did seem like it.

Yeah. I think his shift from the colorful meme content to a darker and grittier videos is something else.

@@PopcornBroVids that's one word for harassment

Seriously, like imagine thinking that stupid jokes on the internet that will die off in a few months is more important than an innocent man’s life

gatekeeping people from understanding a joke is just bizarre but that's internet for you

Not to mention the “you’re stupid if you don’t get this” is particularly harmful to people who are neurodivergent and don’t pick up on a lot of things like that. I saw an interaction between somebody with a mental illness that limited their social cues and ability to pick up on tone and a lot of jokes and instead of explaining things to them the other people on the thread dogpiled them for not understanding. It was awful to see. All in all this mentality is hurtful to everybody and is incredibly useless It’s awful what happened to Kyle, too. This was an awful situation

memes only did the whole popular then die off kinda thing in recent years

Memes aren't meant to take it seriously. It's all fun and games. Unfortunately, I don't like how BTM got treated in the most unfair way by the Internet mobs.

These kind of mindset shows in the New '20s that nobody has ever changed.

but so was faking his suicide for attention

True

@@ArthropodJay yeah, I agree that he could’ve gone a completely different route. Both sides were shit

@@jamarcusmudkip True

@@DEGENERATORexe How can someone possibly be so upset about a youtube channel explaining memes, you're worse than he is.

To think of the annoying awful TikTok memes he could have killed. May be Ugandan Knuckles could have died sooner. Imagine him trying to explain E to boomers. This is why we can't have nice things xD

I would've loved to see BtM's turn as a heel. That would have been legendary. But of course others already ruined it by doxxing him. That would’ve just made it worse.

@@dyll_pyckle I believe they ended up doing that along the line. But it would have made for an epic story.

@@dyll_pyckle People did dox him anyway sadly

@@Ettrix Yeah they did doxx him, I just meant it probably would’ve gotten way worse.

One of the best channels on KZfaq

I think Emplemon perfectly explains his "In defense of Behind the Meme" video, even though he kickstarted the hate movement.

@@Therworldtube Yeah. BTM's "death" video is shocking that KZfaq immediately take it down for "violent imagery". After all, Emplemon is no better since he's a ringleader behind the whole hate train. He's maybe improved a lot in terms of his analysis videos, but the Internet will never forget.

@@poweroffriendship2.0 Did you not read my comment? Emplemon DID make a video about BTM's suicide video. It's only less than 8 minutes long. And the fact that you presume the comment I made about the video I was talking about has any anti-Emp sentiment is absolutely a disgusting product shipped from twitter

@@Therworldtube I did read your reply, and yes I did watched his response video "In Defense of Behind The Meme". I'm not an anti-Emplemon guy, but look at the bright side, at least he did apologized, but still, what he did is just wrong because he's the one who lead the, like you said, the hate movement.

@@poweroffriendship2.0 When I rewatched the Meme Theory video, he explicitly stated that he doesn't hate the person behind the channel, but rather what his channel represents. Hence his punctuation of 'mediocre'. And his apology was only presuming he's making content for the money or other sinister motives. At no point did Emp add any additional fire than necessary in his video.

Thank god emp left this

Elitists in any form are pathetic. Whether it's for memes, race, culture, language, sexuality, gender, whatever. No one is superior for something they lucked into or enjoy. Just reminds me of the annoying anime fans who insist that subs are always superior.

Something tells me you were the kind of person that ran around school yelling “problem?” at people that day you discovered the troll face. That’s why we have elitists about it.

@@blank-vj1mc Literally everyone, including the elitists, have done that at least once in their life when they discovered a new meme.

@@Artician No, not really. I found memes back in like 2009 when they were deep community centric inside jokes. If I ran around yelling Kek at people or telling them that they lost The Game, I’d have been bullied relentlessly. And for good goddamn reason.

Dude, those people sending "death threats" don't have the balls to even confront someone to their face, much less commit murder. So who gives a fuck, it's all bullshit and I wouldn't take it so seriously

It’s mostly the 4 chaners who are toxic and can get away with anything cause they don’t have an internet handle

Mr. Enter did the same with the 3 writers of Spongebob Squarepants (Zeus Cervax, Casey Alexander, and Richard Pursel) during the post-movie era seasons, but he really regretted that years later.

Bro, Chinese gamers attempted to bomb game devs cuz China banned bunny girl skins lmao

@@poweroffriendship2.0 Mr. Enter has honestly grown so much as a person

The answer is no, no they didn't. That's why they cared so much about something so trivial.

you’d be surprised how little some people have going on outside of internet

The internet will always change or not, memes now are very ironic, they're mean't to be unfunny on purpose which just makes them funny, humor is just dead in the future

IKR!! I was thinking the same thing.. like, what world did I just step into right now???

@@blitzie66 yeah January 6th comes to mind lol

Same here! I loved his channel.

Try L I M C a go

I’m not autistic but a lot of jokes go over my head. His channel seemed super helpful.

@@bekahsierra7313 It was very helpful! I was so sad when he shut down his channel.

agreed

People cling on all sorts of stuff

I like EmpLemon, but he takes memes way too seriously. Like it's a matter of life and death.

I F***ING LOVE CONFLICT !!!!!!! I JUST WANNA WATCH PEOPLE TEAR THEMSELVES TO PIECES AND TAKING TRIVIAL TOPICS FAR TOO SERIOUSLY

@@horaciosi he makes high quality stuff but has some awful opinions sometimes

“he’s making memes accessible to the normies!” No bitches, huh?

When you do something right, no one remembers. When you do something wrong, nobody forgets.

@@kristhemaddiusladdius1088 great quote

And?

Copium

@@walterrising4276 and is wrong.

Exactly, some people substitute memes for having a personality

Anyone who called someone a "normie" should splashed their faces with water.

@@poweroffriendship2.0 only water?

Agreed. Memes are pop culture. It's like trying to pretend you're superior for liking Ariana Grande.

*a part

@@poweroffriendship2.0 normies mad

It's not hard being right when the people you deal with are pos.

Yup. People think his video quality is similar to Watchmojo at first until realizing that it's just one guy.

I feel sorry for what happened to poor Kyle.

Yeah true Emp is my favorite KZfaqr but IMO that’s his worst mistake and worst video.

It's also funny that in that video he criticized BtM for making a video about a 4chan post about him, when he's now made several videos about comments about himself.

Yeah emps a prick

@@nerdyganii9580 I stopped watching him cause he just comes off Elitist in edgy humor

"Meme culture" is an oxymoron.

Because EmpLemon

It was because of his awful response to Emp and then his downward spiral reacting to every person who came by to criticize him.

@@TheClassicnathan it’s just a video with criticism though his video wasn’t about normies shouldn’t use memes it’s about criticizing the KZfaqr all that lemon did was the second point

Yeah I don’t have any hate for him but it seems like it would’ve been so easy to make higher quality videos, that was my only gripe, well his voice inflection was annoying too. The people blaming him for killing memes are losers though, like he was explaining shit like “here comes dat boi” he wasn’t explaining like underground memes he was explaining shitty very popular memes many of which were dead years before.

@@monhi64 Yeah in that sense he was a very easy target to criticize, but I feel like if he didn't listen to the critics or simply responded in a mature manner and kept on making videos in that style then people wouldn't have harassed him so much. He really proved how much it got to him and he appeared vulnerable, which is how haters and trolls smell blood. I didn't watch his videos regularly but I saw many of them in passing when he was popular. When I saw the amount of hate for him, I assumed he was a bad person or something. But now looking bad, he meant well; he seemed genuine in making these videos even if they were "simplistic".

Same, I turned against the channel when emplemon made his video

@@GojoGOATED Idk about LIMC but PewDiePie is basically untouchable now. All the hate and controversy for him is probably just a minor inconvenience for him since he's so big and isn't as active like before. The biggest drama he had was back in 2016-2017 but he still kept making videos instead of letting the hate destroy his motivation to make more videos, something he learned from years of making YT videos and something BTH hasn't fully mastered which led to this. Also, he wasn't limited to just memes, he also did other types of content so he could still remain somewhat relevant like now where reaction type videos are the norm. As of now, he's not really trying anymore since I think he and his audience know that he's 'retired' so he just streams and makes whatever video he wants and uploading whenever he feels like it instead of sticking to the daily upload schedule that other KZfaqrs do. He's made it and he doesn't really have much reason to try anymore which is why most people and even Pewds himself say his videos are 'lazy'

BRO Same

Normie

Exactly

Behind the Meme definitely had an annoying manner of presentation but I do think he did his videos at a time when all the commentary channels were at their peak making him an easy target. And this was in that transition period where real life and internet were still considered separate things so there were many purists who hated the idea of someone kind of bridging that gap. These days internet culture has blended so much with real life that someone like Lessons in Meme Culture can thrive and not get shit on for explaining memes.

I think he fell victim to the edgy era of youtube because outside of his videos being boring he wasnt doing a bad thing at all

@@GarrusN7 looking this way it kinda make BTM a bit too ahead of its time... but then he had to be too cocky about it too...

@@loganroofpedoexposer4952 wtf?

@@loganroofpedoexposer4952 sounds like something someone with no bitches would say

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Well I might be stating the obvious but I think behind the meme really did not like criticism and just said fuck you to it except from actually changing or just ignoring it.

@@naohperkins7446 being spammed with hate and doxxed isn't criticism. Decline in views is a better form of criticism.

@@red__guy I guess the Internet was a different time and nowadays you can't even see dislikes on videos which could either be a good or a bad thing

I don't think using normie unironically is a problem in itself, the problem manifests when you take it way too seriously or personally. The word exists to describe a group of people and I don't see an issue with using it to refer to those who don't get one or more internet cultures, but when you're using it to call out somebody and belittle them you look incredibly sad. You have to be special in general to get offended that someone doesn't understand your lingo, whether you're expressing that through this word or others.

@@naohperkins7446 it’s a bad thing

I agree, btm should had employ the same gate keeping tactics in the comment section...

My thoughts exactly! Preach

I've met a lot of kid who are like that. It's kinda sad

What also insults me is how i saw other comments pathetically detailing how they "regret" there actions and "apologizing" in the process As if that's ever going to solve anything now

Emporoer lemon see himself as the custodian of meme culture as a godame internet king personally I think he is pure unadulterated cringe I did find him funny at one point when I was 12 but now I just feel sad for him

Ikrrr it’s horrible

I didn't because I covered my butthole.

Because you should that thing looked ungodly

true true

*wrongly explaining

@@1mclv you can always do your correct version of the video. Apparently is easy to make

@@vicentegeonix people think you can't criticize something unless you are an expert at doing said thing, which is a pretty dumb way to think. We are only allowed to like stuff and if we dislike it we are supposed to just shut up about it. Just look at what happened to the dislikes in youtube.

@@1mclv ayeah i am just saying i would love to see you do it better, i bet you can do it.

I think many miss the point with that. He actually felt those things and probably still did at that point despite saying he didn’t to calm people down, he probably thought nobody would care as much as they did after all the hate he got. These videos are an artistic way of getting his negative thoughts out. Many people with suicidal ideations will joke about suicide or bring up their death to accustom themselves to the idea and see other peoples reaction. It’s a weird situation were people say we should take it seriously but when a person that got severely bullied, threatened and doxxed makes videos that clearly are a scream for help even if it’s through an artistic expression (acting) it goes too far. It makes one wonder if it’s about it being not „real“ or people not liking being confronted with suicide. Everybody plays the moral gatekeeper but nobody tries to think how bad his mindset had gotten that it seemed like a good idea and he felt it necessary to make and upload them. People that are completely stable don’t make videos like that.

They literally tried to harass him for existing and that’s how life is. The people who harass him should be banned off KZfaq

The only real mistake he made was his reaction to the hate. The initial video mocking his format was undeniably accurate. To react to it in a ‘holier than thou’ way like he did was foolish. Faking suicide and an alcohol problem was also idiotic. He made himself difficult to defend through his melodramatic nonsense.

@@DivertingTales in my opinion he does not come off as a person genuinely contemplating suicide. I don’t believe that someone with his level of narcissism is capable of committing suicide. He uses the threat to try to make people feel sorry for him and come onto his side I agree that someone who is of sound mind would not make videos like this but suicidal thoughts are not his issue.

@@hentype But it shouldn’t happen that way! Just cause you are on the internet does that mean you are obligated to change your attitude from a reasonable lad to an unbridled jerk? Just cause it happens doesn’t mean you should accept it! I hate the stigma of “it’s the internet, and on the internet everyone’s an asshole” because that implies the internet allows you to unleash your most darkest, perverted and cruel version of yourself, and that shouldn’t be the case.

Fire is different than stupid jokes on the Internet.

@@marishiten5944 "modern day"

@@marishiten5944Metaphors are a great tool in literature

Yeah. If it wasn't for BTM's content existing, then there would be no LIMC by now.

If memes get exclusive to a select group of people it wil be like inbreeding, only with memes instead of genes.

Dat Boi is funnier on an image board than in a presidential debate. Change my mind

Now that's a pretty meme, exquisite!

sus

oh the irony.

And that explains why he moved on to the documentary style content.

They didn’t even dox him! They doxed his Grandparents!

@@the4tierbridge Still, that counts as doxxing.

@@poweroffriendship2.0 are you, like stupid or something? I’m pointing out that it’s worse because they didn’t even target the right guy.

@@the4tierbridge Well, it doesn't matter. Whether it would be his family member or Kyle himself, doxxing is still a crime. Can you imagine if that could happen to you? Taking someone's addresses as an attempt for harassment and stalking could've hurt anyone. I can't blame Kyle for this. He maybe did wrong about the "fake suicide" situation, those fools who doxxed him did far worse than he would ever be. And I repeat, doxxing is a crime.

the poor dude was one of the only ones.

I think it was a time and a place. That internet culture (though not gone) with that r9k mindset just happened to latch onto this guy with all its autistic fury.

Theres a difference between being in on the joke and regurgitating the wikipedia page for a joke.

The thing is with LIMC VS. BtM is LIMC doesn't explain the joke. he just talks about how it started and doesn't do it talking to you like you're a 6.

He was how I got into memes, I didn’t know what Doge or Uganda Knuckles was

his issue was the presentation, explaining where a meme originated from or what it means is one thing, but talking like youre catering to 6 year old and using nothing btu a rainbow background and normie gifs is not the proper way to present and damn this dude voice can make you want to jab a pen under your toenail

Any adult who uses the word toxic like that deserved everything they got. They didnt go far enough apparently, if they had you wouldnt say "toxic stuff" like a 12 year old girl. Good luck having that boy you like ask you to the dance.

@@ZDiddy7777 I'd ask your dad but you chased him off too.

@@ZDiddy7777 Dude you're out of touch

What do you mean they broadcast them online anyways, barely anyone knew about the memes he covered before he covered them. There's entire 600 episode long shows tout there that have been broadcast for decades that you don't even know exist, it's an entirely moot point, it doesn't matter if they were publicly available or not.

@@Cri_Jackal it's the 'world wide web', they were publicly available regardless of who talked about them, I watched some of them dozens of times on KZfaq before he started talking about them. They were never secrets to be protected, they were lame jokes that went viral.

If the internet wasn't so edgey in 2016 and 2017, I don't think that what happened wouldn't be nearly as bad as what actually went down.

Same, but I unsubbed a month afterwards due to how cringe his videos became. I didn’t know anything about the drama at all

Personally I think Behind The Meme has legitimate criticisms thrown his way, but I honestly think the people who think he was some malicious guy out here to destroy memes were bring more cringe than he was

@@IcyDiamond Exactly. Plus, memes were already mainstream enough years before his channel became a thing. That cringy ass Wendy’s commercial was one of the first ads to feature memes

Maybe if people weren't too harsh on him, then none of the controversies would've happened. I think 4Chan is the one that started the controversy way before Fantano and Emplemon joined the drama... with just one fake meme called "zenzi". I wouldn't be surprised since 4Chan is extremely controversial on its own.

Yea the internet ruined him…

Who can blame him? The trolls broke him so hard.

Keemstar, Leafy, Scarce, BTM. Boy there were A LOT of youtube dramas and this was right before 'Cancel Culture' became common.

SJW community too, and KZfaq is still mean.

@@LightBluly Or, people had enough of their shit and them getting away with it.

@@channel45853 found the nazi

@@SnoFitzroy what?

Meme culture now is a hit or defiantly a miss to me. The days or rick roll, Numa Numa, all your base those days are truly done... hell even dank memes took a hit due to people sensitivity its just the way we are now.

@@loomingdeath1758dank memes aren’t even funny once you realize it’s just ear rape

@@shimmershine6902 well not to you XD cause you fell for it. This comes off as a personal problem

@@loomingdeath1758 Fell for… what? Memes are meant to be viewed. I think you’re mixing it up with jumpscare videos.

@@shimmershine6902 I think you dont know get around memes. But thanks for assuming XD i see you must be new to memes. recommend getting out more.

It's an absolute joke because memes were popular in the early-mid 2000s. They were a little bit niche, but every guy I went to school with knew the memes of the time. They were never some "hipster underground club" like these sad KZfaqrs mentioned in the video like to think. These greasy neckbeards pretending that their precious "meme culture" is going to be attacked by normies when memes were fairly mainstream LONG before BTM came along.

When you consider that all jokes are memes, but not all memes are jokes, that's what makes the .. how do you say.. "memelords?" so weird to see fervently defending their inside jokes when they're simply thoughts and ideas that either die or pass to the next generation depending on their validity/relatability. Internet weird sometimes. @_@

I agree. Seeing that clip from EmpLemon is SO pathetic. Like man that was cringe. Like wow you're not like other girls 🤪 The 2010s sure were something, that's for sure

@@CanteLizzie I like some of EmpLemon's content but his take on BTM was really bad. Like memes are some kind of limited resource we have to ration...or like memes are only good if nobody understands them

I'd like to point out that in order to be a meme, it has to spread through culture. Meme becoming more popular literally is a necessary part of something being a meme by definition

There was literally one in the video when he was showing the zimzi thing or whatever.

Yeah. I think BTM is the first victim to ever get "cancelled" before cancel culture is a thing nowadays. He got hate... over memes? Seriously?

agreed.

Yeah, the fact that some people take their meme culture THAT seriously is honestly sad.

Reddit moment

Special love I had for you..... BABY BLUUUE

Yup.

It has nothing to do with him and more the fact that saying normie is just cringe. That and memes became so mainstream that they aren't an obscure autist subculture anymore.

I’m so glad that shit mostly died out

​@@supotter377 Unfortunately, some of them still stuck with the "meme killing" mindset. People never changes.

I watched a few of his videos back in the day. I never understood the hate. As far as I can tell is the hate is just as valid as meme culture itself.

I never watched any of his videos or anything and not sure if its because of my age, but the "meme culture" always seemed so cringe to me. I kinda wish I knew about his channel back then to learn about memes and their origins and yeah never understood the hate for it, like him faking his own death was really crappy hope he's doing better now.

@@kyruula6567 “hello fellow kids” momento.

all cultures are made up, thats how culture works lmao

@@thepardigon178 lmao you know exactly what i mean. not rooted in anything like location or heritage. just something that most people will find funny.

Was literally thinking the same thing like wavy said the original video the guy posted was okay but all the hate was ridiculous u dont like it move on and shut up right? I mean he should of just turned the comments off no one in this world will ever like every one just ignore them

Yeah I remember when he uploaded the Crash bandicoot “Woah” meme video. He got tons of dislikes and so much harassment that he had to take the video down. It didn’t help that he rushed the video and had some misinformation which helped escalate the hate even more

@@DannyL87 Except turning off comments would've been perceived as "cowardice" and "trying to silence people", which would've simply led to more harassment. Not to mention the whole doxxing and death threats issue. Hence why the "just ignore them" approach doesn't work worth a shit.

@@EagleTimberWolf yeah there was no way this guy could’ve won tbh..i’m glad we’ve gotten past the era of people crazily gatekeeping memes and treating them like a precious resource that “le normies” can’t get their hands on

No.I dont think so limc was already starting

He’s the meme Jesus. He died for our sins.

@@deathahoy8971 bruh then yall are judas 😂

@@notjimpickens7928snitched on him for 3 doubloons

i think its that internet culture arent as edgy and annoying nowadays and the different format in LIMC’s videos

Okay to be fair. Yes LIMC does the same thing, but I can tell from the format they use and how they present the stuff shows us that they are well educated and informative. Their videos are straight to the point, no filler, no jokes, and other stuff you often would find with BTM. They take very little to no time watching through and gives you a basic understanding of the memes whereas BTM (at least the latter videos) was just basic information from other websites mixed with his poor sense of humor. BTM really wasn't a good place to really learn memes. But yes I also agree with pizzaman here that people aren't taking this whole meme-thing as seriously as they did back then and that the BTM hate overall was over hated (even though he really deserved some of the criticism)

LIMC gets rights to the point.

People will trust a British accent over a weird accent any day

It was a different time

@@Eurobeat_fan it was like 3-4 years ago lmao and meme culture is still toxic especially since most memes come from reddit

@@Eurobeat_fan Nah, everyone I knew in school who used the word “normie ” were the biggest losers and hated by everyone. They were also 4chan users who spent their time harassing random people online.

@@Eurobeat_fan Brushing it under the rug as "a different time" looks a bit wonky, almost like you would let this slide

@@kaylons he was probably one of them lol

They do do it tho, and they do it better

@super radical To be fair, they _were_ right.

@Logan roof my sir, I can see in the bottom of my heart you get zero woman, zero woman on you pelvis

@@michaelcampos6451 NO BITCHES?

@@michaelcampos6451 what they say?

I feel bad for this guy

Honestly I think it was smart for him to leave KZfaq, he clearly wasn’t in a good mental place doing KZfaq so him leaving to focus more on his personal life seems like the right thing to do

his voice kind of annoying, video format and edits feel like it came from 2010 facebook or something, with all that i understand why hes hated, but overhated, it dosent help when he made the responce video to fantano, acted like that instead of embracing the meme like chills or rick asley he shouldve known things like these would happen but hope hes ok and got the help he needed

I’d sympathise with him if it wasn’t for his dumbass stunt

“YOURE KILLING MEMES! 😭😭😭” Fast forward to today and memes are now widespread on every platform and widely used by all ages 🤦🏾‍♀️ Like wtf we all discuss memes now, they are widespread so it was clearly wrong.

That's true. Although, I remember that one deleted video that I'll never forget where he took his own life online by shooting himself with the last word, "IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?!", which it's a jab response to his haters in the comment who literally threatened him. He triggered the gun in front of the mirror while holding the camera and fell, ending the video with a faded skull in the background and the suicide hotline number. Not only that gives me chills in the back, but it also gives me a sense of shock, including for everyone else who feel the same. And all that because of memes.

Memes are simple

It was a stunt

2015-18 was such a dark age for internet culture

@@blockotheblock5672 Ya kinda agree tbh. Used to be apart of that, and good lord it did a lot of harm to me personally, and socially.

@@unclekarl5219 you're saying the whole situation of his channel being dismantled and him being forced of the internet was all a stunt? You're dilusional.

@@boogityhoo7452 pretending to kill himself was a stunt for attention

Tbh, all he really did was explaining memes for people who were new, all the hate is what made him left, he has to stay down prob since he faked his death, when he gets caught, that’s when he REALLY gets hate.

The utter rage shown in EmpLemon's video was the most childish thing I've ever seen.

Eh. Passionate guy. Could have worded the video better but I understood the frustration of people who don't know anything about your interests diluting what you enjoyed about it.

Yea seriously, hearing a grown man whine about “meme culture being ruined” is almost as pathetic as faking a suicide for attention.

@@ghhn4505 True, but you gotta have perpesctive and hope you don't take it too seriously. Because then you come of as a jerk, and end up looking like you care way too much.

Never heard of the guy but hearing him claim that meme culture has been “delicately constructed for years” gave me quite the laugh.