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Really should make autocontrol a visible stat as something like "controlability"

I figured out how bad recoil was this wipe when I was scaving and I happened to kill an absolute chad of a player who had a Zabralo + Rys-T and a fully decked out HK-416 with 60 rounders full of M995. I put on his gun and armor and was beyond unencumbered and slowly making my way to extract only to run into another scav that started shooting at me.. I returned fire and not fully realizing how recoil worked I decided to burst fire him and oh boy.. It took the entire 60 rounder to kill him.. After extracting, I tested out in the shooting range to find out how bad it was and holy shit, it was unusable in any form of fire.. it was even worse then a stock m4. BSG has to do a full rework on recoil, and reward tap fire and burst fire and make rifles hard to full auto instead of the other way around.

Makes me sad to see that they have dethroned the AK-103 as 103 is bae but also the crazyness of hidden stats that affect so much more in terms of recoil and how shooting someone will play out i really hope that these stats are either eventually tallied with vert/horizontal recoil or even another stat put in. But still 10/10 vid can't wait for the actual recoil vid on convergence and all that

If they made mods affect things more specifically like one grip being better at horizontal, one better at vertical, some at convergence. Make it so certain gas tubes/buffers affect firerate in different ways. Other things like reload speed, ads speed and stamina use could be made instead of ergo. You could make the weapon modding so much deeper.

This is why I have always tried to take the time to load 3:1 or 1:1 (every other) ratio of trash/meta ammo in my mags. Might just be confirmation bias, might be placebo, but it feels more controllable when full auto.

great video, in the grand scheme of things :)

I've managed to master the Kedr to level 2 and no amount of spending rubles on other PDWs (MP7 excluded) can match how tight the full auto grouping is. With SP7 it dumpsters everyone with haste. I've noticed the recoil picture doesn't get disturbed nearly as bad as level 1 mastery, making full auto mag dumps with irons a breeze.

Would be interesting to hear your. Thoughts on the M4/HK platforms as it feels this wipe the recoil seems crazy

Great vid fam😎

I wonder if your convergence might actually be an optical illusion. The iron sights of the AK hide more of the view below the sight, while this isn't the case with the MK. I recon you test this with similar sights, like an holo.

Convergence should be a known(listed) stat that is modified by your skill with the overall weapon type(assault rifle, DMR, etc) as well as your skill with that particular weapon type (AKM, M4A1, etc). It's kinda dumb because this "stat" in reality is just your PMCs ability to match the cycling of the rifle with leverage, this is something you learn after firing full auto on different platforms, no two are alike, they all have a unique feel, but after putting time into it you begin to learn the recoil pattern of a particular rifle. This stat should not just be a flat stat that is applied, seemingly randomly, to different guns for no apparent reason. Either the Recoil stat should be the only thing that matters, or the convergence stat should be attached to PMC skill level, otherwise some guns will just suck more for no reason, with no excuse because it doesn't work that way IRL and it's not balanced for the game, so it's just making a gun shit just for the sake of making it shit.

The vpo is one also that just kicks loads, which it never used to do, and makes it hard to user a bunch of guns but still leaves the top end guns being op, honestly dont enjoy having the gun bounce around the screen like crazy

Surely the much higher ergo of the Mk47 with the same recoil stat as the AKMN would have something to do with the faster convergence?

Love the content

idk about top loading bad ammo, it assumes youre going to spray the entire mag as if you dont convergence wont have enough time to matter and most of the bullets you either 2 bursted or single fired are trash ammo and then you no longer have low recoil ammo in the mag for the next enemy. im honestly not liking full auto in this game period.

How much doe player stats make a difference? If my character is low level, with low recoil stats, is there still a significant difference?

AK has more muzzle velocity, therefore better long range capabilities and better penetration. If it is not how it works in this game, this game is not realistic it any means.

Aren't the Akm and the akmn the same? I was looking at the base stats and the guns both have different mags one mag has a -2 ergo stat and the other has a -3 ergo stat. So with out the mags aren't they the same?

Where did you hear about these hidden stats

What happens if you have one BP In the chamber and 5PS top loaded in mag and the rest BP? Does that still have the recoil reduction or because there is one BP In the chamber does that not work?

Pretty sure it is +5 recoil (absolute), not 5% recoil. This has been proven in other videos

The recoil modifier on the ammo is a flat number, not a % reduction or increase. This has been proven in other videos, but the easies way to show it is by looking at how any of the gun mods for recoil work. Mods recoil reduction is based on a weapons base recoil stat. That is before it has anything attached to it. As an example, if a gun has a base recoil of 200, then if you put on a mod with 5% recoil reduction, it will reduce it by 10 (5% of 200). If the ammo was really doing a 30%, it would be lowing the recoil by 60 in this example. The Mk47 has a base recoil of 188. An easy way to test this is take 2 different MK47s, mod one to some recoil stat (say 100), and then take another one and mod it to 30 points less recoil (70). If you shoot PS ammo out of the 70 recoil gun, it will have the same spray as if you shoot US ammo out of the 100 recoil gun. If it was -30% you would need to mod a gun to 44 recoil (as that is 30% less recoil from 100 based of the base recoil on the Mk47 being 188, or a reduction in 56 recoil)

U dont do more vides? 😢

In the grand scheme of things

wow, it's almost like paying more money gives you a better result >90% of the time

This video has probably changed the way I will play

Stuff like this makes me feel like BSG don't actually know what they're doing.

Me after watching this video : *Friendship ended with ak now mk-47 is my new best friend*

Hidden stats don't belong in Tarkov. We gotta know our gear in and out particularly if we're roleplaying operatives expected to be incredibly vetted with their kit.

“in the grand scheme of things" count: 6

Yaay science!!

Alot of it is the rate of fire and not even just that. It's the bullets that shoot out of sync. This is a thing in real life as well. If the bullets come out and gasses/recoil in equal intervals even a high pressured round would be some what controllable compared to the same thing bla bla u got it

The speed of the US is shit though... anything after 50yards bullet basically grounded

The rounds don't do % reduction. It's a flat amount. Some other youtuber tested this to conform it.

wordsy words, oop. wrong streamer.

i hate hidden stats, they should just add it to the list of stats

Hidden stats is probably the dumbest thing about tarkov. And that's saying ALOT.

You should start a low middle and high tier gun builds series

Mk. is short for "mark" it's a "Mark 47"

I love tarkov , but honestly the recoil system in this game is straight up fantasy land . Tryn too hard to be ground breaking and less functional.

It's nice to see comparisson side by side but I never really see why would you run shitty ammo on top especially subsonic ammo. First you're going to assume that you're gonna spray your entire mag from start to finish every time and what happens when you run across a scav at the start of the raid just try to not waste top loaded bullets because you're training your self to have no recoil with bullets? What about when you're re-packing your mags you're still gonna have a stack of PS and BP and carefully count how many you got there? Just pull down your mouse and learn to use the ammo you're going with. But ye they need to toss this "Vertical recoil" numbers into the bucket because it's pointless.

"nice" 😄

wikiwikwiki your 20head is massive

I've been using US it's stupid how slow it is tho don't shoot anyone at any distance further than that last target in the range....i had a guy looting a scav infront of big red on customs and I was at the concrete platform ramp laying down and bullets would take actual time to travel to him and also saw a drop of at least 3 -9 inches

I think they need to have the weapon weight reduce recoil, it's "HoW iT WoRx N ReAL lIfE".

just use an adar 4head

The idea of putting weak ammo on top of the mag has one major flaw Additionally you cannot use the initial kick of the gun to your advantage Hear me out Imo the first few shots are many times one of the most important ones in the firefight (that is if you put the on the target ) So having bad ammo for the first few shots makes you unable for fast kill because of the lower pen And the thing that people keep forgetting about vertical recoil Is that you can easily control the initial kick just by swiping you mouse down fast Yes you have to used to it No, it's not as easy as putting subsonic rounds at the top of a mag But For people that haven't noticed The phase of initial kick has very little of horizontal recoil So with some training you can put all first 3 shots on target just with the mouse swipe (I guess the shots number differs but for Ak is 3 I guess) Hope that helps

bsg:we should add more recoil that way you have to level your recoil skill to have meta guns..gamers:so make the game more for streamers..bsg:yes...It will always be something with the game and it will never release..same bs different day..they should wipe the game so we can all do the quest again..so much fun..and make kappa level 62 knowing they are gonna wipe the game again..how nice of them...they are lucky they are in Russia..only reason they get away with not giving refunds

While I appreciate your testing of the Mk47, I have to say it... I really hate how you pronounce "M-K". It may be preferential, but I find using the correct terminology and nomenclature always lends credence to whatever argument or statement one wishes to make. Military always taught me the terminology was pronounced "Mark", so "Mark 47: Mutant". In this case, I would draw similarities to the Mk 19. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this still applies for the CMMG Mk47 Mutant as well.

Fucking recoil is out of wack really, doesnt make any sense, look at the old videos it used to be WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better for all guns

4 months later and the meta is boring an stale because of BSGs insistence on keeping this terrible system in place

ar platform > ak platform in general in game and irl

BYE

Can we stop calling the Mk.47 "emkay-47"?