Dooku: "Good. Twice the effort, half the rewards"

Twice the effort, half the rewards.

I move for a vote of no confidence

It's like opening up a Christmas present and it's a bill

My guild went from the 4th box to not even being close to the first one

A: The gap between the 22.5m crate and the 67.5m crate is fk'ing ridiculous and needs to be addressed and altered B: If CG is gonna be this gatekeeping on a new raid, we at least need to be able to still get like half the mk3's doing the old raid C: If CG "fixes" B2, we riot!

The fact that 2 of the main teams for this raid are newer than 2 months tells you everything about it

I remember that defense of dathomir gave us zetas

My guild got abosolutely wrecked by this raid. We went from 3rd crate to no crate, it’s actually insane…

Yeah, I really hope this gets addressed. This raid is so whale focused and it’s horrible.

Considering they allowed characters like moff Gideon and shore trooper on endor they couldve thrown dooku and journey guide padme in this raid to make it even just a little more accessible

The fact they didn't have jar jar come back before releasing the new raid is kind of scummy

New Raid... "I've been looking forward to this!" Half the loot..loses both hands, visibly confused, terrified......dies. 😂😂

For Endor we got mk3 4000. Now we got 1500 only... 😵‍💫

Can we talk about how this is counter intuitive to attracting a new playerbase? They can't even hit first crate

Leia was somewhat farmable by the wider playerbase for Endor. Jabba was farmable for Krayt. The problem for this raid is Jar Jar is a rotation character. Quadme team isn't fully farmable yet and CG want to nerf the B2 team.

It's so strange to me. The original 3 raids had absolutely no character restrictions, they just designed them in such a way that you need specific kinds of teams to do well in them. Then the Krayt dragon raid came out and you were restricted but to specific tags, not specific characters. You could use all hutt cartel, all mandalorians, all old republic, all jawas and all tuskens. Then came endor, and they restricted it to only specific characters who would/could have been there in-lore, but I assumed that this was due to the fact that they had to make a new endor version of each character so they didn't want to put the effort into making a speeder kit for every single rebel Now we have naboo, and they decided to keep the specific character restrictions and went so hard with it that the characters you need to use are either brand new and not easily accessible to F2P players, or they are characters that are so old and bad that only veteran players will have geared them up. I could easily gear up enough characters to have 2-3 good teams for this raid, but by the time I do it'll be almost time to move onto the next one and I'll be kicking myself for having relic'd maul, sidious, luminara, kit fisto and consular because I just won't find any use for them elsewhere. And even if I did consider those characters to be a worthwhile investment I won't make the difference for my guild being able to do well in this raid. I'd have to convince many other guild members to also invest in them and that's just not gonna happen.

Yeah my guild just doesn’t have enough people with good enough teams, it’s sad because I really like the road and theme as well as the prequels

Don't forget the big loss on personnal rewards too. I went from 1.6 million personnal rewards box, to *nothing*.

Whats crazy is that they could fix or at least ALEIVATE the problem in many ways. 1. As mentioned in the video, just make the dang thing a bit easier. Enemies have less health, change up the commander modifiers, make them not heal so dang much, something 2. Add more characters...... Do they think we would feel betrayed if they did this? Like i wouldn tbe upset if they added in characters that werent "there" just to help fix the problem. We all know Plo Koon or Lumi wasn't fighting in the dang battle for naboo, whats to hurt adding OG ahsoka, GK, GAS, or something of the sort? 3. Up the rewards per box. Krayt came out about 16 months ago.....and we are still on the same amount of raid currency income structure. Its going to be a constant problem for guild of all sizes. Guilds spend months ant months getting to a higher box (possibly max box), just to get pushed back several guild boxes in 8-9 months. Would it be a crime to just add a bit more get 3, or flat out have 1 aeromag at box 1, 2 at box 3, 5 at max crate? I dont think that will break the economy... And this is coming from a person who scored 9.1mil on raid attempt 1, but who is in a guild that dropped from 424mil endor box to 130 naboo box.

Its also incredibly demoralizing to score 10-100k in this raid, right after scoring millions in Endor

It wouldnt feel nearly as bad if we received the rewards were used to, but missed out on some new currency. This is one of the biggest problems with this raid format. The old format just added rewards so it always felt good

I think this raid sucks ass. I even bought the lightspeed bundles to stand a chance and my scores suck. I spent 2 hours trying to get the max score possible and I couldn't get anything close to the last raid. If I hadn't bought the lightspeed bundles I wouldn't have been able to get almost any rewards at all. Their strategy of forcing you to pay money to be able to participate in the new raids that rotate every 6 months is quickly turning me off from the game and I've played it daily for almost 4 years now.

Cut in half? No, my guild got NO REWARDS.

From a late game player perspective - if a raid is only going to last 7,8,9 months then all the required units NEED to be readily available day 1 of launch. No exceptions. The situation with Jar Jar and the QA team is frankly ridiculous and more noise needs to be made about it.

This is sadly exactly what we called would happen when GL'S were first announced, the Kylo and Rey ones. That what would happen was that events would have to be balanced for GL and relics, which would cripple newer or lower power accounts

I don't understand why they didn't put someone like JKA, GK or CW Padme into the pool of usable units too. Sure it would make no sense from a lore perspective but nither does Giddeon, Stark or Veers in the Endor raid. I'm also convinced that nobody at CG ever playtested the Naboo raid with units weaker then R5, when an R5 GMY with over 7k special offence barely removes 1/4 of the protection on enemies in the stage intended for G8-11 units you know something is wrong. When a G10 Windu is barely able to take 2 turns before being defeated you know something is wrong. When a 4-man-team of G12 droids struggles to get over 100k in the stage intended for G8-11 units you know something is wrong. I think CG should either rebalance lower tiers by lowering the HP / the amount of bonus attacks on the enemies, or add a few other units that are a little more accesible. If they don't do anything to the raid it will end up as the least played raid, since the krait raid at least had Revan requirements and Boba as usable units.

I feel like they release new content one update that takes a step forward, then the next update just feels like we take two steps back with the game. I just don’t get it

Dear CG: fuck you! Sincerely: The Playerbase

Spot on. I like the idea of the raid, as a newer account, I feel worthless and it's a kick in the spacebawls.

They should’ve just made the raid accessible to factions instead of specific characters. Krayt Raid was faction specific even though some of those factions never dealt with the Krayt Dragon. Making Naboo open to Seps, Galactic Republic, and Gungans would’ve been a lot more accessible.

I like how they acknowledge the new player experience sucked, put forth some effort to improve it, and then immediately drop an update in which new players can’t possibly participate in

I'm pretty sure this is intentional. They knew people will be upset at this extreme difference. Then they will follow it up with an apology and an incremental improvement-which everyone will thank them for and forget that it's still worse than before.

i miss being able to use every character on my roster

It's getting harder and harder to keep interest in the game. Lucky for me I have whales in my guild dragging me along for the ride.

The first tier is crazy. Historically, you would be able to at least nibble at the raid, and get some points. Here, you will take 5 minutes to kill one droid for 5k score, unless you got a coherent team which takes advantage of the raid modifiers. Even in cpit, could just throw a team at it and get a few 100ks of points...

I think CG has missed the mark with these past Raids. What happened to the character unlocks thru raids? I miss those. Make Raids Fun Again (MRFA)!

The LSB packs are a guaranteed money maker like those crystal and relic packs. So strange they don’t opt to keep them in the store until you buy them (or don’t, but still have them there).

Speaking as an officer another issue I find is that this raid is FAR more effort incentive to get good scores, if you don't remod then scores took a drastic hit. Comapre that too Endor where you can optimise but you can use standard mods, you relaibly get 80% score or even 50% on full auto. So it's likely gonna be a struggle to get the average joe guild member to really try and get the same rewards you perivously got.

FIX YOUR GAME

CG: Takes my money for a Separatist and Jedi bundle. Also CG: Cuts my Mk 3 raid tokens in half for supporting them. Me: 🙃

You gotta give it to CG though not only did they replicate Battle for Naboo flawlessly, they also managed to replicate the backlash against The Phantom Menace when it came out in theaters……

This is just sad. CG actually made a Raid that does everything right, and they still find a way to ruin it. The accessibility is not friendly for free-to-play, & by the time they actually unlocked the required characters, it’ll already be replaced with another! What’s the point of keeping the old raids if they’re not going to be relevant anymore? I get why they’re replacing them, but it still ruins the experience in the game.

I think a good fix for this change would be allowing all galactic republic, separatists, and jedi, or even just all galactic republic and seps. they could also bring back mk3 for endor raid but halve it

What irradiating is the Jedi didn’t get a rework it would of been great and perfect time for the people who already upgrade them or the ones to want to invest in iconic characters

Raid rewards, galactic challenges becoming ridiculously hard they've effectively halved the omicron drop rate, dathomir con job, and datacons. Its like they're trying to kill this game now

Who are we kidding, they wont do anything about it

Twice the pride, double the fall

Yeah, my guild was previously almost hitting the fourth crate, we now barely made first. The only reason I was able to do anything at all is because I went after Gungans, which was a decision I made purely because I love Gungans, not because it makes any sense for my account.

We had 2 long standing guild members leave cause our reward was too low for them, sad but i understand

this problem would probably be fixed, if they announced the required characters sooner. Guilds could've planned and farmed for the raid, but you just cant get a conquest character or gungans running in about a Month

I was getting 5M in Endor, I’m getting 400k in Naboo.

It’s not a good time. My guild was getting the 424mil crate in Endor. No where near the rewards for Naboo Raid. The character selection is piss poor and the raid itself is not fun. The tier 1 and 2 are absolutely ridiculous. Also, WTF are Guardian and Counselor there? At least use characters that are somewhat useful.

I think the issue with the raid is just the required teams not being enough for lesser accounts and guilds. You NEED Quadme and Gungans if you want a decent score. If you don't try in conquest right now to get her, you lose out on one crucial character. Gungans and new Jedi require a ton of Kyros and that's a huge pivot for players already working on other projects. My guild is advocating for us to reach 2.5mil score per player by the time the raid ends, but I don't see us getting to that point because unlike Endor or even Krayt, too many are either useless outside of the raid so you have to pick and choose to work on the raid or not, or they are expensive investments that aren't beneficial once the raid ends outside of Gungans and Quadme. The raid could really benefit from some # tweaks on damage and score + maybe adding some more characters to be available. Why can't we use Ima-Gun-Di or even Bariss? I think what new raids need is a feature that allows ALL characters (maybe no GL's unless they're a focus on the raid like Leia) but have the benefits like in the Naboo raid for specific teams and not specific characters. Maybe non related teams get .5 of the score? If that's the case then I'd be willing to participate more because it's giving me options rather than requirements. When locking the rewards behind a raid "chase", you're really running with bigger blindsides if you are focusing on other parts of the game unless you are already big spending.

I wish CG would make the MK3 currency available in all the new raids (Krayt, Endor, and Naboo). Let the guilds choose which path they want to take in regards to farming for raids instead of moving the bottleneck every few months.

This raid is the definition of putting lipstick on a pig. So what if it finally looks good if everything else about it are crap

The guild for my new F2P account went from 3rd box, halfway to 4th box on Endor, to NO box in this. We get NOTHING. We’re 215 million and can’t get any raid rewards. Just lost out on 180K tickets. This feels like an ambush and I wish we would have just not even tried it. They need to nerf the enemies in the first two levels and also give us a make-good for guilds who got zero rewards trying out this new raid unawares.

I miss the days where you could use your full roster on a raid

I just got off of a 7 day cruise. My mind is blown with all of the updates in one week🤯

I think that the mk3 should move from raid to raid on a month or bi-monthly basis

I run a 330m free to play/dolphin Guild. We're going to hit 14,5m crate in this first raid and I spoke with my co-leader about the raid yesterday in Voice chat and the difference with Endor. This raid, as cool as it is visually, is gatekeeping the F2P players A LOT and since MQGJ is not even farmable yet, without mentioning the Jar Jar situation we we're very puzzled on why they even realeased it yet if only the Whales are able to actually participate properly considering how the "cheap team" of Seps requires R8 across the board for the enrage stuff to work. We're content on having the first raid with 14,5m crate, but in order to get the 22,5m one, we need to have our biggest members to invest to the game for the Guilds sake so we can reach it and by the time the next one will roll out, we should have enough to handle that, but it's still the same what we got from Endor by just throwing in teams and pressing full auto. It's certainly de-motivating, especially for the lower GP members who didn't buy the LSB Jedi's and don't have teams for it, so we literally have to direct people to build up Gungans instead of Inquisitors for Reva shards, which we finally are getting some of. It's either or situation and the Guild can't grow if we don't get the raid rewards as we used to. CG needs to bring it down a notch or this will kill the lower GP Guilds and the whole free to play/dolphin aspect of the game completely.

Still better than being forced to watch an episode of the acolyte next to reylos lol

Kinda mad at myself, I geared up master Qui gon, obi wan, and kel beq just to realize you need them at 5 stars or up

They need to just let us pick a raid to play for all rewards. If people want to farm up for Krayt, let them.

I WISH my rewards were simply cut in half. Instead, they were multiplied by 0 :(

I feel like CG is cheating us, so I wouldn’t min cheating in PVE. I just wish I could convince my guild to be on board with it

The other problem with this raid is thet the lowest level enemies are still g13. Lower those down to like g9-10 and a lot more guilds could get rewards

I unlocked and R7 GL Leigh on the very last Endor Raid. I finally crossed the finish line to having the best character for the raid and now its on to hurrying up and farming Gungans.

My guild went from getting about 60m in the endor raid to not even getting first crate here, feel massively punished for not having what is essentially a pair of pay to win teams. Even with the B2 "operating better than intended" I'm lucky to get half the maximum score on the R5 tier. I think it's insane that so many people are struggling and CG are like "we should nerf one of the easily accessible units that is performing well in this raid"

I get the character pool, it is all the characters that were around during this battle in the movies. Not that they were in the Phantom Menace but timeline wise, they were around in some way. A Jedi Master Dooku, capt Panaka, other separitist leader with Gunray, and a pilot Anakin as easily accessible characters to be added would be nice but it seems too late now.

This is the exact reason I went so hard into gungans (also the memes). I’m about to be finished with my last Jar jar requirement and then I am going to focus hard on the queen amidala team which is mostly finished. Gotta drag my guild to better rewards if possible.

our guild can't even reach the bronze crate now, so no tier 3 for us... this is a one and done raid for us.

This is what they need to do: - Nerf the NPC’s in the raid - Buff the points you get for actions in the raid (defeating, dodging, space abilities, etc.) There. That’s all they need to do.

I checked that my guild hadn’t started yet because we had a very late Endor raid and only started Naboo yesterday. You should run that poll again in a couple weeks. I’ll be curious to see what happens.

They need to add a way to convert the MK1 and 2 currencies for MK3 if they're going to screw everyone over with moving rewards or cutting them to half constantly. Not everyone's gonna be able or want to do these raids.

I was the only person in my guild to hit over 1 million. We did not even hit the first reward crate. Going back to endor next go around

Getting Wat and KAM shards went from 10 months to like 2 years with the MARK3 Currency. Played since like 2016 but didn’t get Wat or KAM when they came out now getting GL Kenobi just became 10x harder just because Wat is so hard to get. It’s hard to convince guild leaders to go back to Geo TB when ROTE has so much better rewards. They really need to make the old TB characters easier to get but this Naboo raid just made it even harder

I know its not likely, but what if CG removed the unit restrictions for these new raids on the lowest difficulty? It would scratch people’s itch that wish they could use their more fun teams like back in the legacy raid days, it would be more new player friendly, and I imagine even if people could max out all 5 of their attempts in the lowest tier, that still wouldn’t be such a large difference to prevent people from wanting to build up the raid specific units as well to improve their score. Thoughts?

The difficulty is too high. Endor and krayt you could at the very least toss in a mismatched team of sub g12 to get some points. You toss in a team of r5 mismatched and you can't kill a single droid at base difficulty. That being said the deficit between raids hurt the whale guilds a lot more than mid range guilds. We get less personal rewards but the guild payout is about the same.

The simple fact that they pulled the MKIII's out of the Speeder Bike raid completely, after so many worked really hard to build all of the necessary guys to relic 3 and higher. It's extremely frustrating. I am highly considering quitting, and so are many others. It's basically evil and greedy. Force people to build very specific characters, only to make it obsolete if you want the MKIII's. Now waste your time and money on building these new guys, and in the future, we'll make that obsolete too, and force you to build others. It's the guide book for greed and evil. Disney is horrible.

yeah in Endor my guild was almost at the 4th crate by the time it ended, now with a day left in our first on with naboo we’re only halfway between the first and second

Wasn't Tier 0 meant to be a G12 entry point on the original post? Wondering if that was the intention, they lowered it so people could enter with less but the difficulty remained.

Something else that could work: allow tier 0 to be *any toons*, while higher tiers require specifics. That should put the 67.5 mil crate within reach for many guilds, and be able to push for more once you can get into the specific teams for the higher tiers.

I will never enjoy content that doesn't let us use whatever we want.

I think the difficulty of achieving the third crate is being blown out of proportion. Bear with me... Luminara w/ Zeta & Kit Fisto basically carry one of the teams. Get 3 other random decent Jedi that you probably already had lying around, take them all to R5, and boom... 900k score with mediocre mods and maybe a couple retries. "All you have to do", as a guild, is require every single person to go get Luminara, toss a zeta on her, and Kit Fisto, use 3 other Jedi they probably already had lying around... 900kx50 = 45M. With a single team. Blowing 3rd crate out of the water. Now add in a bunch of people in the guild who already have some droids/seps/maul/sidious lying around. Let's say they're not even modded well. Cool, drop it down to Difficulty lv1 and get 450k points, conservatively. Let's say half the guild (25 members) can do that without really any investment at all. Boom, another 11.25M. Now you're sitting at 56.25MM... coming up on 4th crate. Toss in 5 whales / people who just really liked Gungans who can EASILY max the 1.8MM tier each, giving another 9MM. 65.25MM. I get that it's not "convenient" but we need to also acknowledge that Endor may have spoiled us in that 1) its character requirements involved a lot of toons tons of people alreadyt had and 2) you could achieve reasonable scores on full auto even with crap teams. Endor, if anything, was easier than what we were used to.

I feel like the big issue with modern raids is the lack of characters attached to them. In the old raid system it didn't matter if the rewards you got were less because you were still working towards a new character

My guild is dying. We haven't had a new member join in more than 2 months. I don't know if it is swgoh itself or if it is just our server. I really hate that when cg added the speeder bike raid they combined all the raid tokens into one pool. That cut our raiding ability down by three quarters. We don't even have enough tokens to try the Naboo raid yet. Not that we will. We'll stay with the Speeder raid.

Raids are the game mode equivalent of datacrons, temporary power/whaling

There are definitely issues to be fixed, but I think the panic is being WAY overstated. The raid is new and people still have no idea what they’re doing. I took some time and experimented with different comps and modding during our raid run, and I was able to score 2M with only two teams: 1) Darth Maul, Sidious, B1, Magna, Nute 2) Luminara, Kit, Shaak, Plo, Koon My initially attempts were much, much lower. But these are two VERY accessible teams that I’m confident could max out the R7 tier, so that’s 3.6M right there without ANY new characters at all, and not dependent on B2 lead. That’s still a slight dip from last raid (I need to get to 4.2M to match Endor), but much better than what people are currently experiencing, and very achievable by a lot of people.

I like the idea of rotating the raids because like you said it gives us a return on investing these characters that are made specifically for the raids. Also for people that did apply the raid omicrons, it doesn't feel like they wasted resources. Datacrons are something that have a limited shelf-life and if people want to spend money on em then that's their perogative, but for omicrons, that are permanent, have a limited time use, it's just absurd. Putting these raids on a rotation allows for more people to invest in these characters due to the reoccurring use of said characters, but also not put people in a corner and force them to not apply the omis. If people want the freedom to be able to apply the raid omis then they should have every right to and not have it stripped away because as this current system is, no one would go to such lengths to waste resources like that on something that has a limited use.

My guild at 600mil doesn't even care about it as most people dont have proper teams

A simple fix in my opinion (although unlikely) is add the basic padme team with JKA, GK, 3P0. That would at least add one more team that a lot of people have at higher gear levels/relics

Might want to redo that poll, our guild did get off a final Endor that was still up when the poll came out, I think any guild that got another in won’t start Naboo for another day or two.

If they made it open to all Jedi not just the GR Jedi, that might be enough.

Unfortunately our guild is stuck on Geonosis right now and still cant clear final stage traya raid. But i can feel the frustration.

My guild said forget the GET3 tokens and we just ran the Speeder Bike again

CG has officially made it pay to play to get decent gear. What a joke

I don't think that my guild is anywhere near ready for the raid. I think we are stuck doing the sith raid if we want any good rewards.

The points everyone in my guild is getting on Naboo is 1/10 of what they got on Endor: We went from the T3 box on Endor to no rewards (6m) on Naboo. We'll just go back to Endor, so we can at least get some G12/13 materials again.

My guild wasn't even able to get to the first crate. We're probably just gonna go back to Endor and give up on the Mk 3 currency :(