This Is Getting On My Nerves

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N4HNH Radio

N4HNH Radio

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I’ve been plagued with power line noise off and on since 2017. I contacted Georgia Power Company but they weren’t responsive. I had to resort to contacting the FCC. Receiving no response from the FCC, I purchased an MFJ-1026 noise canceling signal enhancer to get me by until someone called me back. The MFJ-1026 worked, but the build quality made it unreliable.
Three months later I received an email from the FCC, stating that they turn such matters over to the ARRL now. A couple of weeks later I received a phone call from the ARRL, stating that the FCC asked them to handle such issues with RFI. The ARRL instructed me to give the power company another call, and give them another chance. I guess if the first 10 calls aren’t enough, an 11th call will certainly get their attention. I called a few more times. There is usually a voicemail. You leave a message and await a return call. Finally, someone called back. It was a new person in that position. What eventually happened was the new person called in a retired RFI engineer who had retired before a suitable replacement was effectively trained.
It took several trips over the course of a year or so to get my noise level down from S9+15dB to S3. There was loose hardware, dirty insulators, and two blown lightning arrestors. By the time they had knocked the noise down to S3 I decided to leave them alone. But the S3 lasted for maybe a little more than a year.
In late 2021, the noise started slowly getting more intense during days with low humidity. It has gradually gotten worse. For the past three months the noise has been constant. I have left 8 messages with Georgia Power since late 2021. The noise has continued until it is now so intense that no noise blanker can deal with it.
I finally got someone on the phone from engineering. She said she will have someone call me. That was two weeks ago. I also filed a new complaint with the FCC about 3 weeks ago. Maybe I will hear from the ARRL in July.
The sad thing is that I bragged on Georgia Power in my videos after they took care of it the first time.
For now, I’m using the QRM Eliminator that you’ve seen featured in some past videos. There is a dedicated playlist for the QRM Eliminator. Take notice that, in this video, I have the main antenna gain set at maximum. That is not often where it needs to be set. But the noise antenna was receiving more noise than the main antenna, which is fine, thus I had to run the main antenna gain at maximum. The idea is to set the gain of both antennas to the point where both are receiving the noise at the same level. Use your S-meter as a reference. Then adjust the phase knob and fine tune the two gain knobs. Finally, recheck the phase knob to see if you can null the noise anymore. Remember too that you will need to readjust after you change to a different band, or if you make a coarse change in frequency within the same band.
NOTE: If you purchase either of the noise cancellation devices I’ve mentioned, be sure not to transmit more than 100W through it. If you have a linear amplifier, be sure to connect the QRM Eliminator between the transceiver and the amplifier.
UPDATE: Less than a week after I posted this video, someone from the power company called. He is going to seek appeal to send someone out to verify which poles and which hardware is causing the RFI. I will keep you posted.
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@alansteiber3031
@alansteiber3031 Жыл бұрын
I just got one of these today in the mail. It has made a world of difference on my receive. Thank you
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
I’m glad you found it helpful. It’s really good to get rid of the noise before it gets into your receiver. A noise blanker is only a band-aid and it can degrade selectivity and introduce distortion.
@timothypolhamus4515
@timothypolhamus4515 Жыл бұрын
I have been off air for ten years from my inner-city neighborhood - back in those days, I could operate all bands with the usual noise found in the city, especially on 40 and 80 meters. The noise now - on ALL bands is the most horrible I have encountered in 38 years of being licensed. Ear splitting, 10 to as high as 20 over square wave noise, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. A call to PECO (Philadelphia Electric Company) resulted in them sending out a guy untrained in RF detection who didn't even have any means of getting to the top of the pole to inpect it! I made another call to PECO and now they have escalated it to "an investigation." The noise is overwhelming and makes HF all but useless. I have monitored it as high as 300 mhz! I ordered a Timewave ANC-4 and plan to use a 6 meter vertical for my noise antenna...it is so bad here though that I wonder if it will enough...in the meantime, ill keep calling PECO...
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
The power company is obligated to correct it. The Georgia Power engineer finally came out this week. Watch this video: kzfaq.infou1i89iRZWW4?feature=share
@ghlscitel6714
@ghlscitel6714 Жыл бұрын
They changed the 10 kV powerline to underground 2 years ago here. A big improve.
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
I wish they would do that here.
@kaydenchristensen5011
@kaydenchristensen5011 Жыл бұрын
Once again Doug, another amazing video. Thanks for all you do for this community!
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
I’m glad you liked it, Kayden. I strive to bring practical knowledge to the screen. I appreciate Patreon team members, like you, who help make the videos possible. 73, Doug
@PT9KK
@PT9KK Жыл бұрын
Doug, I just listened to your recent video on the way back home from a short journey to take my father-in-law to his hemodyalisis session. Another helpful and informative video. I'd like to add a few notes that might assist those interested in sorting out annoying QRM coming from the grid and, recently, LED street lights. I suffer from the aforementioned annoyances. When the sun sets, the LED QRM is all the way up to S9, on my FT-890 with NB engaged, and down a bit after pressing the ipo key. Whenever the sun rises, the power line QRM shows all its potential to disturb my ears. If it weren't for the FT-890 NB, DX would be a pipedream under the sunlight. Moreover, I've been trying to find the best auxiliary antenna for my QTH. The plan is to start short and grow longer until I find the sweet spot that allows me to knock down the trash with minimal side effects. To conclude, after reading some reviews, I bought a mini whip antenna that is said to receive lots of QRM. It arrived some months ago, but I still need to put it up in the air. Will update these notes accordingly.
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
Hi Luciano! I am so fond of the FT-890, as I’m sure you know. As far as a second antenna goes, if you put up two identical horizontally-polarized antennas, perpendicular to one another, and connect both to a QRM Eliminator, you can use the phase knob to electrically rotate your receive pattern. It’s a nice bonus with one of these devices. Of course steering the receive pattern might work against the noise cancellation. But, when you don’t need it to cancel noise, use it to steer your receive pattern. 73, Doug
@dacodemonk
@dacodemonk Жыл бұрын
I feel your pain. I've been dealing with DTE Energy here for almost a year now trying to get this resolved. Luckily, the guy I deal with seems to be super nice and super accommodating. It also helps that I've been extremely patient with them. Hopefully they continue to come out and fix things as they find them...
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
Yes, I have been extremely nice in the past. But I’ve never gone 18 months without so much as a return phone call.
@thormusique
@thormusique Жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks! What a bummer! Might be time to move to a more radio-amenable location.
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
The power company rep called yesterday. Finally, after 18 months, they tell me they are going to try to resolve it. The guy told me that they are “struggling” right now.
@thormusique
@thormusique Жыл бұрын
@@n4hnhradio Well, hopefully that's great news! One wonders what exactly they mean by "struggling"? ;-)
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
I already know. The engineer I worked with a few years ago to get the RFI tamped down then told me that they are struggling to find workers who are willing to climb poles. It’s even more difficult to find someone well-versed in RFI abatement.
@thormusique
@thormusique Жыл бұрын
@@n4hnhradio Oh wow! I guess labour is hard to find everywhere these days.
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
Yup!
@jeff7161
@jeff7161 Жыл бұрын
Keep up the great work 🤠
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
I’m trying, Jeff. 73, Doug
@icqme8586
@icqme8586 Жыл бұрын
I bought one of these a while back due to solar panel inverter noise and it works to some degree. Nothing like adding a few more knobs to diddle while playing radio.
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio 11 ай бұрын
QRM has risen significantly in the past two decades.
@UABFWSS
@UABFWSS Жыл бұрын
Back when I was a lineman, we had two old timers, pretty sure that one was a ham, that would go out on "noise" complaints. They'd toodle around with a little AM transistor radio, looking for noise peaks. Almost always it was loose or broken insulator line/wire ties, occasionally an insulator itself. Late 90's.
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
That’s been the case here.
@allenpamscofield
@allenpamscofield Жыл бұрын
@@n4hnhradio I helped out a ham friend in finding the noise source that was killing his HF. I used an old AM transistor radio and walked the property. It turned out to be the ballast on the aquarium light. Switched off the light, no more noise.
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
@allenpamscofield That was great of you, Allen. There are so many pesky noise sources these days.
@JayN4GO
@JayN4GO Жыл бұрын
Here’s my experience. Called power company, really nice guy showed up and replaced a few street lights. Grounded the pole guy wires that come down into the back yard. Still a noise coming from the street light solar source. KU guy says he doesn’t know anything about the top of a street light. He said he’d contact engineer. Never heard from them. I contacted Laura smith at the FCC and she responded 6 months later CC’ing the arrl into the email. The gentleman from the arrl wanted to make sure and to teach the power company their job. I located the source 100%. Told the arrl , and the FCC. Here I am 4 years later and nothing has happened. So the FCC is a toothless lion and we’re basically just a thorn in the power company. I finally lost hope and gave up. Hope you get better support than I did/have.
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
One Georgia Power representative told me a few years ago that they aren’t afraid of the FCC and that the ARRL means nothing to them. But they did resolve my issues eventually. I might have to write the CEO. If that doesn’t work, I might have to fine tune the components on the pole with my 0.45 inch adjustment tool.
@KD9ZHF
@KD9ZHF 29 күн бұрын
@@n4hnhradio this is what happens when people don't respect the rule of law. I'm so sorry to hear of these problems.
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio 29 күн бұрын
It’s what happens when unelected bureaucrats get lazy and don’t do their job. The FCC in our area was once very active, policing Citizens Band and Amateur Radio. They would get you for anything from interfering with the neighbor’s TV to splattering up and down the band to running too much power. Nowadays they might occasionally make an example of one repeat offender, just to possibly scare the others into submission. But they expect the ARRL to find and record the repeat offenders. Then, after multiple violations, the ARRL can refer the case to the FCC. It is called “self-policing”.
@tlebryk
@tlebryk Жыл бұрын
I use an NCC2 with two receive antennas on a manual switch. Takes some fiddling to get the mostly omnidirectional noise down from S9 to around S4. Multiple receive antennas pointed in different directions might help in particular situations. I also have an MFJ but it's controls are not as flexible as the NCC2 because of different noise on different bands needs different settings!
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
I like to use these devices with two identical antennas installed perpendicular to one another. Set both antennas to the same level on the S-meter and use the phase knob to electrically rotate the receive pattern.
@sandynewman5533
@sandynewman5533 Жыл бұрын
My power company uses a detection device similar to what hams use for "fox hunting". I count myself fortunate because my power company's contact for RFI is a ham too.
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
Wow! You are very fortunate indeed. 73, de N4HNH
@sandynewman5533
@sandynewman5533 Жыл бұрын
@@n4hnhradio true, but I can tell you there are far more defective poles than they can even keep up with. Fortunately they only really come into play when I go mobile around the area.
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
That’s why when they got my noise down to S3 after the first four trips out here, I left them alone. There were other poles but they are approximately 1/2 mile from me. But believe me, my Doublet, with all its gain, can hear the noise.
@sandynewman5533
@sandynewman5533 Жыл бұрын
@@n4hnhradio Yup, as can my 40-10 NVIS OCF. I also have an 80-10 OCF higher up with a shallower inverted V set up and for some reason it is quieter than the NVIS one.
@BurtonChristmasLites
@BurtonChristmasLites Жыл бұрын
This is something I really needed. I do POTA when my wife and I go RVing at GA state parks. I have had what I think is some rv inverter noise every so often on 40m at night. Could be LED lights but not sure. Either way I had toyed with getting one of these units. (QRM Eliminator) Sometimes is is s20 noise. Would this help in that regard? Thanks Robert Burton KD4YDC
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
Robert, there are certain types of noise, especially broad spectrum digital, that no device can eliminate. But, as long as the noise is a pulse type, these units should be able to track it and throw it 180 out of phase. Look at your scope and see if the noise looks like spikes. Also, remember that you need two antennas that are both able to receive the same noise. 73, Doug
@Homer19521
@Homer19521 Жыл бұрын
I find going to 3927, 7200 or 14313 always settles my nerves in 8 land. My $20 MFJ1026 broken swap buy, has been flawless after I fixed the inductor on the power feed. The 1026 is still better than the ANC4+ & the Chinese Eliminator at my QTH. Good luck.
@alejandrovidal1607
@alejandrovidal1607 Жыл бұрын
this days i have an sporadic noise in 40m band, at night. Whit IPO and attenuator on S meter hits 8 and 9.. but only in 40m band, is frustrating. I made one qrm killer but i need to put a good noise antenna.
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
The noise antenna is critical. If it cannot receive the same noise that the main antenna is receiving, the phase cancellation device cannot help. 73, de N4HNH
@alejandrovidal1607
@alejandrovidal1607 Жыл бұрын
@@n4hnhradio yep that is true, i need to find the way to put a second antenna on my roof, the cost of living in a big city 😞 73!! LU2ASV
@KD9ZHF
@KD9ZHF 29 күн бұрын
Isn't there a strict timeline for when the power company has to respond to a complaint from the FCC?
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio 29 күн бұрын
There might be a strict timeline when it relates to emergency communications or air traffic control. But for amateur radio, apparently not. If you file a complaint with the FCC, you will not hear from them for 3 months. And all they do is turn your complaint over to the ARRL. The ARRL was useless the first time I filed a complaint, but the last time they referred me to W4DD, a local ham who sniffs out RFI. He is retired from Verizon and sniffs out RFI as a hobby. He wrote RFI Mapping software. There is a video all about in the HF Band Noise/RFI playlist here on my channel. W4DD did all the legwork to prove the RFI was from 5 different power poles. He took photos if the specific hardware issues and showed the RFI on a map, using screenshots from his sniffer software. It still took months to get someone at the power company to finally respond and send a crew out here to perform the repairs. Even then, W4DD had to resort to calling in a favor from a manager he knew at the power company. It was a total of 2 years to finally get it fixed. The video is at this link: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/itaTiLirss6Rkn0.htmlsi=DDMylWE-uiELkRHu
@johnratcliffe6438
@johnratcliffe6438 Жыл бұрын
Can't you find where the faulty equipment is and make it have an accident?
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
I know which pole it’s on. Don’t think the thought hasn’t crossed my mind to use my .45 cal fine adjustment tool.
@cesarea4is60
@cesarea4is60 Жыл бұрын
You need to equal the two signals of both antennas and then use the phase button. For this sometimes it's necessary drop the main antenna a bit (or much) all depend of gain from auxiliary antenna. If you have much gain on your aux, you don't need to drop too much the gain from main antenna. The best way to do this, is looking for the minimum sound of both antennas with both variable resistors of the two antennas . Then they're in phase, with the same gain. In this point you must looking for with the phase button where the noise its canceled or most attenuated. Then you can put to maximum the gain of main antenna... Or not...if the noise increase too much and you have better noise floor rate with two antennas atenuated a bit. 73s EA4IS
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
That’s all correct. Achieve the same noise level from both antennas. I covered that in other videos. In this case, the aux antenna needed less gain then the main. It was receiving a heavier dose of noise than the main. Also note that the gain is reversed on this unit, versus my MFJ-1026. For the main antenna, maximum gain is fully clockwise. For the auxiliary antenna, maximum gain is fully counterclockwise.
@TR6Telos
@TR6Telos Жыл бұрын
Forgot to say, I connected the noise eliminator on a Alinco DX 70th and using cable link it destroyed the noise eliminator .Looking at the manual you need to cut a resistor in the DX70 for the link relay cable that cuts off transmitted rf from going through the noise eliminator
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
That’s why a foot-switch like the Heil FS-2 can be so valuable. The radio has no involvement with enabling the PTT ground in the QRM Eliminator.
@kenluning909
@kenluning909 Жыл бұрын
I have power line noise also. Even on 2 meter. I can tell when its bad when the waterfall on my 991A on 2 meters goes blue. LOL. It seems to not be consistent either. Almost like there could be weather related issues or someone in the hood doing something they shouldn't be doing. LOL.
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
Power line noise usually starts out less intense and intermittent. It usually happens when the air is dry. For me that is afternoon and early evening. But this has been building up to worse and worse and it is now 24/7. The wide mode noise blanker can barely put a dent in it, and then I have to listen to distortion. If I had the spare cash, I would buy a Timewave ANC-4+, but, for now, this $52 Chinese box will have to do.
@kenluning909
@kenluning909 Жыл бұрын
@@n4hnhradio Yea here also. It's not just me either. A few other Ham's here in town also have issues off and on with it. I have a video on my phone where it seems to be surging / cycling in a few second intervals. Then mysteriously it will go away and be quiet for a few days, then appears again. A neighbor who is not a ham also has seen issues with a few of their more sensitive electronics being "noisey" reported it to the power company. Nothing so far.
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
I always run the circuit breaker test to be sure the noise isn’t coming from within my house. I run my FTdx10 on battery power and flip the breakers one at a time to see if the noise is from a device plugged into a particular circuit in my home. That way, when I call the utility company, I have done my due diligence. In this case, I drove around in my neighborhood and listened with my FT-891. I know which poles the noise is coming from.
@kenluning909
@kenluning909 Жыл бұрын
@@n4hnhradio Yep did that also. Even with battery the noise levels are S7 at times. Crazy times. And they want us all to go electric vehicles. Just imagine all the electrical noise from all those household and commercial charging stations.
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
That’s an interesting point. But I can say that when someone charged his Tesla at my home, it didn’t interfere with my radio. He charged it all evening and at night, until the next day.
@gam67
@gam67 Жыл бұрын
Can you show how it’s connected behind ?
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
Like I mentioned in this video, the connections are shown in one of the earlier videos in the QRM Eliminator playlist.
@gam67
@gam67 Жыл бұрын
@@n4hnhradio Roger, i own a FTDX10 where would you connect the PTT RCA cable into ?
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
Either the Linear port or the Tuner port. I found a cable on ebay that connects to the Linear port. It has a 10-pin mini-DIN connector on the radio side and a RCA plug on the other side. But I use that port for my amplifier. The Heil FS-2 serves the purpose without involving the radio.
@gam67
@gam67 Жыл бұрын
@@n4hnhradio means if unused we can use the foot pedal PTT port as well correct ?
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
You can use the foot switch or the Linear port or the Tuner port. Just get the correct cable.
@Rickm505
@Rickm505 Жыл бұрын
Your noise floor is S3-S4 and you're complaining? Mine is S7!!
@n4hnhradio
@n4hnhradio Жыл бұрын
No, the noise is S9. It has been as high as S9+15dB. I can tell that you didn’t watch the video to the end. Some people won’t watch a 20 minute video to learn how to get more from their radio but they will watch a 30-minute mind-numbing sitcom. I’m not saying that is you. That is just a general observation. Some people criticize my videos if they go over 20 minutes. My videos are situational. Without understanding the situation, you can’t fully appreciate the technology and the techniques used to tackle the problem. For people who don’t like my style, there is a literal plethora of other KZfaq channels available for them to watch. I use IPO and ATT to knock down as much noise as I can early in the receiver. That is the weakness of DSP. DSP is late in the receive chain - just before the audio amplifier. Noise needs to be dealt with as close to the antenna as possible. Devices like the one shown in this video are between the antenna and the radio. Consider the width control in DSP. You’re narrowing your passband late in the receiver chain. That’s one of the reasons the hybrid architecture rules. The roofing filter in the hybrid does the heavy lifting before the noise and interference ever gets to the DSP stage.
@JohnHill-qo3hb
@JohnHill-qo3hb Жыл бұрын
To the best of my knowledge, the QRM Eliminator was designed by RA0SMS, I bought mine from him.
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