"you're losing games because of you and not the controller it's you." First off who told you I needed honesty this morning

That Raid legends sponsor got me lol

The notches on the controller looks like someone took a knife to it.

“There’s no right or wrong controller to use” Sideways joycons and wii motes sideways “finally my day has come”

Bob: This video is brought to you by rai- Me: OH GOD NO PLEASE NO Bob: I'm just kidding Me:Jesus

That controller cost more than the switch and smash combined. 😂

Hot Take: The GameCube controller is bad. Only us true gamers use the DK Bongos.

Good lord, those prices. I was feeling really sold on those controllers at first but now I'd be more tempted to just buy some precision tools and try it myself.

This is why I love this channel. They sent you free stuff, basically sponsored the video, did everything they could to increase their sales base, and Bob is like, “yeah... no. Would recommend to almost nobody.” Classic. Thanks for the video fellas.

3:43 shes just sitting there.... Menacingly....

I will say one thing you only touched on lightly is that these controllers are much more important for melee than a game like Ultimate. You already talked about Firefox angles but there's a lot of tech in Melee that is really precise so having a modified controller is pretty much a must for any top player

the one thing in smash I've never been able to nail is short hops... learn about that y+a thing like a week ago and it has absolutely turned my game around fucking EVERYBODY up with the neutral airs.

8:42 i like your point about knowing when you need it, that's how i felt when i got my wide angle lens because i was like man i want my camera closer to my face but to still have a lot in frame... hmmmmmm guess i need a wide angleeee

The gamecube controller may be the best according to many but there are no decently priced adapters and the 3rd party adapters have more input lag apparently. I'm not really thrilled that I'd have to spend over 100 dollars just for the adapter and the gamecube controller.

God you guys need more subs I love how enjoyable the content on this channel. There's always some giveaway or event the community could take part in and the wholesome hosts all makes an evening after work much more relaxing

For one, these are wayyyyy more useful in Melee since wavedash and shielddrop notches can make certain tech eaiser. But second, N3zModGod is who every top player goes to for modifications. Top Notch Controllers coming in at second.

I would encourage some of you younger people/newer to the scene to google your local area smash tournaments. There’s definitely a community out there wether you play melee or ultimate! Nothing beats your first irl tournament I promise you!

Shorthopping is performed by letting go of your jump button before your character leaves their jumpsquat animation. In other words, the timing is dependent on your release of the button, not how quickly you press it. So... reducing the button height might just be placebo, I don't see why it would actually help the button release faster.

1:32 "The Important Button Is Right In The Middle" He's right, you can't L+R+A+Start without start.

Con artists with those prices.

I was afraid this would get demonetized when he said “stick hole.”

02:33 That whole description reminds me of Snake geeking out over that 1911 in MGS3

HIM: “Who is this controller for?!” ME: “At those prices, obviously someone who smokes their crack with a monocle and fancy antique pocket watch” 😂

Good for melee Good for recovering with pikachu from bottom blastzone without a jump That's prolly it

Never seen this channel before. I subscribed as soon as I saw the Raid Shadow Legends bit LOL

_"fighting games are really easy to understand"_

Shared the tournament link on the Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Meta of Smash discords. I wish I could join myself but I can't. Your videos are great and your humor is on point. Look forward to seeing more of your wacky videos.

"you're losing games because of you and not the controller it's you." *Me letting go of me controller completely and just watching my character continuously up-smash*

Fatality: *sad captain falcon face* 😥

Strange timing for this vid, I spent the whole day yesterday researching controllers to buy because I busted the shoulder button on my old GC controller. I was one click away from spending like $250 on a modded GC controller (at Multishine ironically enough) and at the last second decided not to instead opting to get a Japanese Import GC Smash Ultimate controller (for a still pricey $60). I've used both the Pro controller and GC during my time with Smash Ultimate and honestly both are really good. IMO the main difference between the Pro controller and GC controllers is essentially just button layout. I kept switching back and forth between trying to find what I preferred and, even though I have no legacy help from previous Smash games, like you mention in the video the button hierarchy on the GC is a very real thing. It actually helped me improve my play (although I am nowhere near tournament ready) as I felt myself getting more comfortable with the GC controller much faster than with the Pro. This isn't proof that one is better than the other, it's just an anecdotal note of my preference. The one thing this video actually did do is show me that I really want notches as I main PT as well and constantly miss my tilt angles lol PS please don't make us play on random maps, let us strike them like an actual tournament. There are plenty of third party options to help with striking maps

The GameCube analog sticks have EIGHT CRAZY ANGLES.

Dude that background music is so good

Notches dont change tilt inputs in ult since the input is detected before ur stick reaches the notch. Their usefull for getting the right angle when holding in a direction like for example optimal wavedashes or Firefox in melee.

I feel like the cutouts on the pro controller would wear out fairly quickly but idk

Wow, this is cool! I've seen this video in my recommendations for a while, but I've always put off watching since (coming from the competitive Melee scene) I already knew that it was a notched controller. Knowing nothing about the game myself, it was awesome to see how modded controllers help Ultimate players.

Just wanted to say, for the Nintendo game cube controller adapter, you only need the black usb to be plugged in! So it only takes up 1 port on the switch.

“this video was sponsored by raid shadow legends” Me:getting ready to skip the whole thing

"Look to make sure you're subscribed right now" damnn I'm one of those that was relying on home page

I’ve had that nyko adapter for a while, I really like it since I’ve had an OG GameCube controller for years

Hey love ur Channel continue the great work!

It really makes me wonder how hard some of these mods would be to do on your own. Given that they're charging quite a bit, I'm guessing these mods must be very technically hard to do, but it could be just a case of "well, no one else is doing it".

After the “Raid sha... just kidding there’s no sponsor” I had to pause the video to sub and like. That was great

Bob making competitive Smash content? Love you Wulff Uncle.

8:20 Totally fine. I'm just starting to get obsessed in Smash and already thinking about the things all the pros do to try and learn, when it comes to peripherals, it's not about imitating them, but knowing what I'll need first.

I feel like all the mods would be helpful for Mario sunshine speed running

Just buy a hand file and you can give your controller notches for less than $5.

If you use a GC controller, you should try to cap off the shoulder buttons. It basically just shortens the distance needed to press the digital switch that emulates a full press immediately

It’s actually really easy to file octagon holes into a pro controller yourself and it makes a difference (Just in case buy a replacement shell to modify)

So pros don't really use these. I would say that 95% use a stock gamecube controller. The other 5% use a mix of pro controller and modified versions of these controllers. The notches aren't very necessary imo because they don't guide your thumb to them, you still have to hit the notch by muscle memory. And shorthopping isn't bad with a stock controller as long as you practice it. Don't use macros to short hop, not even the one where you press 2 jump buttons. It's optimal to press the least buttons possible

Real talk though, PROS DONT USE THIS! If you go to a smash major tournament there MIGHT be 1 person there with this controller. This controller so isn't worth it for any reason. Happy playing!

You can short hop by pressing two jump buttons simultaneously. You can make this easy by setting a shoulder button to jump and pressing it in tandem with x/y

I love the gamecube controller. Theres just something about it. Even with it not having all the buttons and features of modern controllers its still so good.

Coming from a Gamecube Controller modder myself. For smash ultimate one of the most useful mods to do to the controller that you did not mention, are digital triggers with a trigger plug. This converts your analog input from the trigger, to a digital button, the trigger plug gives the height in which the button activates a button press feel. Digital triggers are godlike for parrying. Hit me up @CVSmashMods on twitter, and instagram!

I was so close to skipping the sponsor once I heard "rai-"

I honestly feel like there’s quality controller design on a GC controller. The A B AND Z placement is just good for me. I also feel like a wired controller (not just for GC) is a must. Gaining a quality frame of input is a huge plus and online that number only goes up.

"When you need one, you'll know which one to get." wise words indeed

Personally since I play ZSS a lot of her special and tilts depend a lot on the direction you flick your stick... I suck at that making me either flip kick the wrong way, up b the wrong way, or plain out doing side b instead of a neautral b reverse... But that last one is more me than anything. The notches would help me but... A regular GC controller would be sufficient, taken to account I use Joy-Cons... My GC controller is on its way (finally) 😁

Man I wanna do this tournament but I'm from Australia and I'm afraid my internet won't be playable

The thing that made me laugh so hard was "if your losing match it's probably you" hahahah the realest shit Ive heard

In melee notches can be extremely usefull. Not only for firefox angles but for other usefull tech such as wavedashing, shielddropping, shield angling, ledgedashes. And thats to just name a few. I wouldn't recommend it getting so many perks for ultimate though

Him: This video ist sposer... Me: prepares to skip Him: gotcha there is no ad Me: Years of Academy Training wased.

Thought Bob sold his soul for a second

That "bulky" hub that takes up two slots only needs the black plugged in to work. Gray is for Rumble/Vibration

Those notches looks like they would gnaw at the joysticks until they eventually gets chewed off and snaps.

You don’t really need notches for Ultimate

This guy is a true gamer for not advertising Raid: Shadow Legends Respect!

9:46 Each time I sneeze I shoot out way more than $400, but that's not what you're talking about.

Yo AJ cameo heck yeah keep it up both you guys love the channels! :D

I'm by no means a competitive smash player or even a good one, but I'd rather pay for a gamecube controller face/shell with smooth analogue contact that won't wear down the sticks over time, like the dualshock 4 does.

NO WULFF JUST BECAUSE IT'S CALLED A BALLISTIC CONTROLLER DOESN'T MEAN YOU NEED TO SHOOT IT AT THE GUN RANGE

Bob:NC is probably the best falcon Marss: am I a joke to you

Notched gates are suuuuuuper good for ssbu pkmn trainer. Those angled ftilts are basically required if you want to use his best true combos and his best spacing tools. If they have a usb version I am absolutely saving up for it

Trading my kids' Switch Lites for more parries. What it takes to be the best 😤😤😤

I wish Nintendo would improve the GameCube design and make it their standard controller!

you could have implemented a melee pro player opinion on these multishine controllers in this video.. would love to hear their view on these

That “raid shadow legend” sponsorship joke earned a like a subscription 😂

I’m glad I got my GameCube controller for ultimate when it came out. Payed $30.

How dare you scare me with that Raid Shadow Legends AD joke.

the price varies with what version of controller you get. Getting the newer versions of the GC controller makes it more expensive so getting the original versions are less expensive, at least what i noticed anyway

You can just cut the L and R springs by yourself by just using bolt cutters. Or you can plug the triggers with lego technic pins, they will work for ultimate.

GC controller is the best way to play Smash imo, although these mods are mostly unnecessary. The eight way notches are all you really need since most attacks will conform to this. And a tip for people who want to take smash a bit more seriously: start learning manual short hops and don't use the shortcuts. The shortcuts are nice for casuals, but prevent you from fast falling aerials after a short hop so it limits your options. A 'true' short hop needs a quick press-and-release on any jump button. I know some people try to quickly press jump, but it's all about releasing the button press as quickly as possible. Iirc, you got 3 frames to do a short hop so you need to press-and-release before those 3 frames are finished.

I lose matches because Nintendo online connection. Is there a mod for that?

I've been meaning to break out my Smash GC controller but I enjoy the freedom of the wireless pro controller

The gamecube bulky adapter only needs the black usb connector, the grey one is vibration.

I’m top at my college for ultimate and while I do play competitively, this is way too expensive just for practicing an extracurricular

I'm glad I got my smash edition controller for $5 in 2017. GameStop was brilliant with there Wii clearance. 😆

I like this casual "sitting on my couch" format.

Holy shit, those notches can have so many applications for so many characters

Most competitive players don't use these things lel.

Wouldnt a “normal” smash controller technically be an N64 controller?

this is like a person that's never picked up a guitar buying a 59 les paul and saying "wow this is pretty good"

wulff den: this video is brought to you by- me: reaching my finger towards right arrow to skip section wulff den: i'm just kidding, there's no sponsor me: that was a close call

I just use a regular Switch Pro Controller. Seems fine to me. lol

11:00 Imagine justifying spending the equivalent of a Nintendo Switch on just a controller with some spring cuts, short triggers, and knife marks in it.

great video had me thinking maybe I should buy a wavebird or maybe get that adapter to maybe use an Xbox controller or another type of controller for smash. Please make more videos like this!

Dude, you read my mind with the content that I want

"It doesn't matter which controller you prefer..." Melee fans rage

"This video is brought to you by Raid Sh-" *Immediately skips 5-10 seconds*

The grinding sound that would happen trying to play Terry or Street Fighter characters lmao

You only need to use the black USB cable for the gamecube adapter to work on the switch.