This is NOT a Sound Quality Speaker! (Rant)

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I Still Love Car Audio [n' Car Audio Tech Stuff]

I Still Love Car Audio [n' Car Audio Tech Stuff]

8 ай бұрын

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THIS is NOT a Sound Quality Speaker! It's loud, yeah, clear, yeah, but it is NOT SQ! There is a difference!
I still love car audio, and car audio tech stuff, even after 29-years in the game!
Being a Car Audiophile is in my SOUL!

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@Johnnydammit
@Johnnydammit 4 ай бұрын
The older we get the better sq we need! Yea we all been there done that! Who do we need to impress? Nobody! Just ourselves! I love your videos and you bruh! Awesome and always amazing content!❤
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 4 ай бұрын
Thank you brotha, and I couldn't agree with you more. I truly enjoy listening to my system, especially when I hear detail in familiar songs that I never knew was there. That motivates me to keep building and tuning to see how much more I can get out of these speakers. I turn my bass up every now and then, but not like when I was younger. I'm all about that seamless blend.
@chopper7659
@chopper7659 8 ай бұрын
I agree I've always build my systems for clarity and awesome sound for my enjoyment. Great video!!
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
That is the goal for sure! Thank you for watching brother!
@krissadams7259
@krissadams7259 7 ай бұрын
Thxs !! nvr new that , have Jl audio now but thinking going with morel hybrid mk11
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 7 ай бұрын
Yes sir... they're different classes of speakers and both have their places. But if you truly want sound quality, these types of loudspeakers are not built for it like Morel speakers are. They're very loud and clear, but not musical like Morels or Focal, CDT or DynAudio.
@gdljr10k
@gdljr10k 8 ай бұрын
New to your channel. And just subscribed. Been into car audio for almost 4 decades now. Had all kinds of different brands of equipment over the years. I currently have a Jetta that has small Alpine, 2300 watt, stereo in it. With two Alpine amplifiers, tweeter, midrange and mid bass in each door, and 2 10” subwoofers in the trunk, firing towards the cabin. Sounds pretty good for what it is. But my truck is a different animal. I have an ‘04 F-150 8200 GVW. Has an Alpine stereo. Same model that’s in my Jetta. It’s 10,000 watts. Has 13 Alpine amplifiers, 16 vocal speakers, 6 10” subwoofers in a custom, two section sub box that I built. Has dual alternators, dual charging systems, Alpine alarm, separate self built alarm for the amplifiers enclosure and so much More. Very trick and in the process to redo some things and add more to it. Yes, I can play music that wants to start ripping the truck apart. But it also sounds pretty damn good with the right music. There is some music that will give you goosebumps. To me, anyway. Lol. Look forward to seeing more of your videos. You can check out my truck on my channel or on TikTok. Same username.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 7 ай бұрын
Not sure why KZfaq held your comment for review, but wow man, both of your build's sound awesome! All top notch gear. I will definitely check your channel out!
@tedtan6449
@tedtan6449 24 күн бұрын
It's a PA or musical instrument speaker. Not the kind used in esoteric home audio.
@HDubbz3643
@HDubbz3643 8 ай бұрын
Yessir exactly
@djkeys415s
@djkeys415s 8 ай бұрын
I agree !!!
@headhoncho4890
@headhoncho4890 5 ай бұрын
I’ve been on the fence as cars frontage and rear fill. I wanted some morel or focal for the sq / nuances in the music but only ones I found with high power handling were cdt 6.5s. I got Deafbonce arnold( pa style) if I don’t like em I’ll try cdt
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 5 ай бұрын
My boy had been using CDT for over 20 years, and they get plenty loud for an SQ speaker. I did a few demo videos with him. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b96CfbZ5yLCopJ8.htmlsi=jKp3js6kGn6Zvdr8
@thebedrockboy8559
@thebedrockboy8559 8 ай бұрын
have you ever listened to the jbl stadium 3 ways? i like jbls mids and highs and I'm curious on there sq performance
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
I have not, but everything I've read about them has been GREAT! Nothing but high praise from those who have used them. If you're going that route, I think you will be truly satisfied with your purchase.
@robertcruz1463
@robertcruz1463 Ай бұрын
Totally agree
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative Ай бұрын
🤙🏿 I think if they referred to them as "clarity" speakers, I might not be so annoyed... lol
@milesbachelor8747
@milesbachelor8747 8 ай бұрын
That’s the SPL world, loudest MF wins. But ain’t that American culture? The good thing is more and more people are asking about SQ. By the way, it’s not a certified rant without a few F-bombs 😂
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣 I keep it clean in case my nieces and nephews are watching 😉. But yeah man, it's a little annoying when they're talking "Sound Quality" and measuring these speakers from 100+ yards away....it like dude, that ish is PAINFUL, and not in a good way. But of course you can't tell them that. Then if you show them your system, they wanna look at you sideways as if it's boring. Like nah bruh, what you hear is not music....it's just loud like a concert. And if that's your goal, by all means, keep on keepin' on, but don't try to tell me I paid too much for my speakers when they're not even that loud. Loud is not the goal bro. And that's not me on my high horse...I'm speaking from direct experience with some of these Cats.
@milesbachelor8747
@milesbachelor8747 8 ай бұрын
@@Ahm-Creative They’re doing some amazing things in SPL. But it’s an extreme sport where damage is the goal. If you need a supply of earplugs in your cup holder just to play music, then the music is not a priority. I feel your frustration, but your tastes mellowed just like theirs will one day. I’m kinda in the middle; never had a loud system, but know I’m trending towards SQL.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
@@milesbachelor8747 absolutely brotha....I used to compete dB Drag, and I know exactly where they're coming from, but in my day (I just aged myself....LOL), we never tried to mix categories. We knew our builds weren't sound q....they were strictly build to be loud, and do damage. And I still love that loudness from time to time, which is why I went SQL for my build as well. But to me, when they refer to their speakers as sound quality speakers, it confuses those who aren't in the know. You would not believe how many people I've had this conversation with when they message me directly. Often times, they wonder why their speakers don't sound anything like mine, then when I tell them, they often reply with "I thought these were sound quality speakers too, because of such n such's video"...and I think that's where my frustration stems from. Maybe if they referred to their stunt wall speakers as vocal clarity, then I'd be less irritated, but when they say SQ, I'm like ehhhh aight....LOL!
@milesbachelor8747
@milesbachelor8747 8 ай бұрын
@@Ahm-Creative You gotta convert em maybe a few at a time, like Jesus LOL. The Venza is the church, load it with SPL dudes and the SQ ghost will do the rest😂 I believe I’m pretty close saying SPL is about getting noticed (approval), while SQ is about the individual. No way are those guys actually enjoying hurting themselves, unless they enjoy pain. One thing in common is the wow factor.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
@@milesbachelor8747 LOL the Venza church...LOL nice!! I'll admit, when I FIRST STARTED, I also thought loud was clean, no matter how bad it hurt...it was LOUD, and I was proud. That's what I see with a lot of these guys, because let's be honest, SQ is boring in comparison to SPL....so you are 100% correct in that. It's like driving a Corvette and Lexus. The Corvette will never be as quiet and smooth as a Lexus, but it's exciting....SPL! The Lexus is clean, smooth, mellow and although people like it, the rumble of the Vette is still an attention getter...SQ. SQL gives us both, but for hardcore SPL guys, the SQL is barely a happy medium, and when their ears are still trained for LOUD Screaming speakers, I'm still not loud enough for them just yet.
@brianvarnes6174
@brianvarnes6174 14 күн бұрын
Greetings kind sir, now have two available, breathtakingly crispy channels, to send to some midrange drivers in my doors. Paging Dr Holesaw!! The B2 reference 6 ohm set, is rated as low ad 50hz! Should I be safe sending everything above 80hz to these new drivers? Half active, with no dsp
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 13 күн бұрын
Awesome! Your system is coming along nicely. Yes, 80hz and above should keep them safe.
@SnailBurner
@SnailBurner 13 күн бұрын
There are SQ speakers with that PA style surround: Alpine and Premier/Pioneer for example.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 13 күн бұрын
I wouldn't necessarily qualify those as Sound Quality speakers. When I think Sound Quality, I think Morel, DynAudio, Focal, Micro Precision, Mundorf, Scan Speak, Satori, Seas. Alpine and Pioneer fall into commercial speaker categories to me.
@SnailBurner
@SnailBurner 10 күн бұрын
@Ahm-Creative OK. Take a look at the scan speak 38WE/8582T00
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 10 күн бұрын
@@SnailBurner scan speak is awesome, but that looks like a PA System subwoofer. Not the same as a JLW6, or Acoustic Elegance woofer. A lot of people categorize loud speakers as sound quality speakers , but they're just not. They're loud, clean but not the same sounding, musically.
@SnailBurner
@SnailBurner 5 күн бұрын
@@Ahm-Creative take a look at DLS Audio RC6.2Q
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 5 күн бұрын
@@SnailBurner not bad. I still wouldn't classify them as sound q speakers, but they don't look bad. What do you think of DynAudio, Focal or Morel Sound Quality speakers, compared to the PA styles? Do you think they're overpriced, or not as good as what you listed?
@oshaymcdonald5661
@oshaymcdonald5661 8 ай бұрын
I started watching your videos because they are very informative you are right about PA speakers to a point 90% of the people that run PA speakers run them to keep up with a ridiculous amount of bass but there are PA speakers that you would not even know weren't SQ speakers look up Steven's audio 18 sounds, beyma, b&C I should send you some tweeters mad but prv audio a PA speaker company and these tweeters are sound quality
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
Thank you brother....I appreciate you watching! Yes they are loud to keep up with all that bass...and I have no issues with that as that's what they're made for. But when some of the guys refer to them as SQ or try to say we are using the wrong types of speakers for sound quality, it gets a little annoying. I've heard of the speakers you mentioned, but haven't had the chance to hear them in person. But I'm not sure the PRV Tweeter would be classified as a sound q tweeter, especially when matched up against a DynAudio, Morel, or Steg tweeters. They're clean, but I think because of their design and high output, they fall into another category. For example, I have never seen anything PRV in an actual Sound Q car. That's not to say the PRV tweeter is bad, but it's just different....same as the Def Bonce loudspeaker. It's not bad for what it's designed to do, but when you compare them to speakers that are designed to accurately replicate music, they are not the same. To my ears, the Def Bonce speaker will never produce the midbass a Morel carbon speaker would. Same for their midrange speakers, and that's because of their design and frequency responses. Same with the PRV tweeters....they cannot replicate the warmth of a Morel tweeter...because they're not designed to. Not a bad thing, just different.
@TheGodofSEO
@TheGodofSEO 8 ай бұрын
Stevens is made my Tang Band in China.
@deejpax
@deejpax 8 ай бұрын
How low will the Morel MM3 play decently? Do you think they can handle 200 Hz no problem?
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
Absolutely! Their frequency range goes as low as 90hz, but of course you don't want to play them there, but at one point I was using mine at 125hz...which was a tad harsh, but they still played well with proper tuning. I am now running mine from 250-2700hz, and they are magical!
@miked104
@miked104 8 ай бұрын
I met PSsound in san jose on Friday. It was my first demo in sq and damn son that was crazy. I guess he's going to las vegas next after he finishes with the sq projects he got in California.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
That's awesome bro! Glad you got to experience it. I believe he's here now, or next weekend for sure. He doesn't have his vehicle, so I didn't care to go, but he is an absolute expert and cool guy too. Yeah man, once you hear sq cars, you hear what quality speakers are capable of, and anything short of that going forward is almost insulting to your ears....LOL!
@miked104
@miked104 8 ай бұрын
@@Ahm-Creative bruh. I drove home with the music off after those demos. I didn't want to hear my own bullshit. Also I heard another sq car, arc audio pro dsp, the works. That was a really fun car too. From what I learned that day, 90% of the game is install and tuning, the other 10% is equipment.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
@@miked104 lol yeah I've given demos and people said the same thing.... like, "I don't even wanna turn mine on again".... lol. That's the highest compliment. Install and tuning is critically important, but I'd say it's more like 60/40 as I've heard some cars with good, but not great equipment, and no matter the tuning, they couldn't achieve what some cars with better gear could. Honestly, everything matters...power wires, RCA cables, external audio players, dsp quality, e.t.c. You reallly can't cut any corners or the car next to you expose you.
@noelsantiago8613
@noelsantiago8613 8 ай бұрын
I say the same thing! I prefer a couple of 12's and up grade the doors and a couple amps. Those walls are a waste of money unless you are doing concerts 😅😂😂
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
Those stunt walls are PAINFULLY LOUD Bro! They're not even musical....😄😄😩
@Lasaro7499
@Lasaro7499 2 ай бұрын
Im about to upgrade my morel carbon alto tweeters for supremo piccolo tweeters. Can u explain what the difference is?
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 2 ай бұрын
From what I've been told, the Piccolo can handle a tad more power and are a tad more efficient, but other than that, they are pretty much the same. One of Team Morel's Champion SQ competitors said he actually preferred the warmth of the Alto's over the Piccolo...so I guess it would depend on the sound you're after. What are you hoping to gain from the Piccolo over the Alto?
@davidperry4013
@davidperry4013 8 ай бұрын
I rock Sony Mobile ES speakers. These are SQ speakers and they have crisp but smooth highs and vibrant and rich midrange and midbass. Also they get loud enough to be uncomfortable but not enough to be painful which I’m perfectly happy with.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
Which model are you rocking?
@davidperry4013
@davidperry4013 8 ай бұрын
@@Ahm-Creative Sony XS-162ES 6.5 components for the fronts and Sony XS-690ES 6x9 coaxials for the Rears, and a Sony XM-GS4 for the 4 channel amplifier to power them
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
@@davidperry4013 ahh those are sweet bro! Definitely not the loudspeaker type mids I'm referring to in this video. You're in the game!
@veelink6345
@veelink6345 4 ай бұрын
I'm not sold on the speaker surround theory, though. I've heard some good sounding speakers that don't have big roll surrounds the alpine status, for example, have a crazy surround. I'm not sold on this carbon fiber cones and caps either paper I think sounds best from what I've heard in person. My old boston acoustics back in the 90s still to this day was the best I have ever heard and I have no idea what they were made out of.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 4 ай бұрын
I agree that it is more than just the surround that makes the difference between the two, but in the hundreds of sound quality cars I've sat in, I've never seen these types of loud speakers in them, because of the design (not just the surround). These types of speakers are not designed for the same musical reproduction a DynAudio, Focal or Morel speaker makes. I've heard both, and it's not to say that this type of loudspeaker is trash, but when they're classified as Sound Quality speakers, I'll admit, it's a bit annoying to me, but more importantly, it can be misleading to someone that doesn't know better. What I mean by that is, I was at an SQ show, and a guy fairly new to car audio said he was thinking of competing SQ because of the new SQ speakers he got, which were these types of loud speakers. He gave me a demo, and it didn't sound all bad, but when compared to more conventional sound quality speakers, the sound difference was lightyears apart. I think it would be better if these were classified as "Clarity" speakers, as opposed to Sound Quality, because I have not heard the quality that a lot of SPL competitors speak of when talking about these. Are they loud and clear...absolutely. But are they as accurately musical light the speakers I mentioned earlier, absolutely not. They're different animals, and I wish they were better classified as such.
@onesikm3
@onesikm3 8 ай бұрын
Just getting back into it myself and man now it makes sense. I see everyone with that bullhorn crap
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
LOL yeah man, I NEARLY made the same mistake, because I had been away for so long...but luckily my old teammate reeled me back in. And I'm not saying these speakers are bad for their intended purpose...they're really popular, but they are NOT SOUND QUALITY SPEAKERS! I wish they'd recategorize them as "Clarity" speakers, if they want to give them a name other than loudspeakers.
@cichrift9065
@cichrift9065 8 ай бұрын
Lol well let's go I guess, I have a combination of them all in order to get the sound I want. I have Mid range, mid woofers, super tweeters and subs. It's all subjective but this is what I like.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
And I love that you've built a system you're proud of. All of us here feel the same about ours as well, and I say that to say PA speakers and super tweeters aren't bad... they're just not sound quality speakers. They're not musical like a Morel, Focal or DynAudio speaker is. The Morel speakers I use will never be as loud as the PA speakers used in an SPL build.... or it would be crazy expensive to do so, because I'd need so many... but the same goes for PA speakers being used to accurately, not just in vocal clarity, but in warmth and musicality, represent a good live musical performance. Will they be loud...absolutely... clear...of course, but I have never experienced them sounding as musical as my Morel setup. As I mentioned in the video, there was a guy at the SQ show with PA speakers, and because he was told they were in fact sound quality speakers, he thought he'd give competition a try. After hearing a few cars, he quickly began to notice the difference. He even sat in my car and I explained the differences. We played the exact same song, and even with his system professionally installed and tuned, the sound didn't match the musical quality of the Focal Morel, e.t.c type of sound quality speakers. None are better than the other... they're just built for different applications and should be categorized as such.
@dabeardsmen3621
@dabeardsmen3621 8 ай бұрын
You are 💯 but they can be if other speakers are added and the tuning is correct
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
I agree that these speakers cover the needed frequency range to be a good mid, but there's something about the sound they reproduce that isn't the same as an actual SQ mid, because of their design. I know SQ competition cars aren't the end-all when it comes to quality system designs, but I've never seen these types of speakers in one of those builds....and you would think they would be, considering how much "cheaper" they are in comparison to actual SQ speakers.
@waltlivernois6241
@waltlivernois6241 8 ай бұрын
I agree
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
Thanks brother! Glad it's not only me! 😁
@chuckfranklin6250
@chuckfranklin6250 8 ай бұрын
So out of curiosity, what would you consider the sundown vex speakers?
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
They are also loudspeakers. If you look at the description on their website, it says they're built to withstand the pressures of SPL vehicles. Also, they have the same type of surround that the Def Bonce midrange has. That's usually a clear indicator of the speaker type. They're not designed for smooth music for example. They're designed to be loud, like a rolling concert... and because of that loudness, musicality is compromised. For example..... my 8" Image Dynamics IDQS8 will NEVER play as loud as the VEX 8. The IDQS8 doesn't even play as high a frequency as the VEX. And again, it's not that loudspeakers are bad. They're just not designed for sound quality. I'd actually feel better if they were called clarity speakers, instead of sound quality.
@chuckfranklin6250
@chuckfranklin6250 8 ай бұрын
@Ahm-Creative I'm aiming more towards SQL. Using these more as mid bass. I have 2 T2 Components running on a RF T600.4 in the front doors. The VEXs will be in the back closer to my subs.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
@@chuckfranklin6250 my initial thought is the VEX speakers will be so loud, they'll drown out the impact your subs can have. Generally, you'd want all the main sound up front, with you. The rear should compliment the front, as rear fill. It shouldn't be as loud as the front. My build is SQL, and if my view my Morel Maximo Ultra 602HE MKII unboxing video, you'll see what I mean. I think it's like my 3rd newest video.
@chuckfranklin6250
@chuckfranklin6250 8 ай бұрын
@Ahm-Creative I've got 2 sundown x15s. The vex set up will be 4 8ohms running on a sae2000.1v3 at 2ohms, have a knob and can adjust their volume separately.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
@@chuckfranklin6250 That's awesome! Another buddy of mine is working on a similar build with a separate volume control for his PA Loudspeakers as well! Cool deal!
@matty85992
@matty85992 8 ай бұрын
Pa speakers are good quality if your a far distance from that car they can fill a large area with clear enough sound but Iv always been sq I run dynaudio 8 inch mid bass woofers/ 4 inch mid range and 2 inch silk dome tweeter in the front of my car 6.5 mid bass in the back doors and 3inch tweeters in the rear pillers and my lows are from a B2 rampage 8 subwoofer it sounds clean inside the car
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
100% agree! In close proximity, they scream, and that is not good in the sq world. When used for that purpose, they're great....but just don't call them sq speakers. Your system sounds awesome bro! I would love to see a demo video whenever you have time.
@matty85992
@matty85992 8 ай бұрын
@@Ahm-Creative I'm not calling them sq speakers I only mentioned sq because that's what I'm into personally 😁
@SnailBurner
@SnailBurner 9 күн бұрын
Frequency response of morel supremo MW6 Woofer: 30-15000. That's straight off the spec sheet from the Morel website.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 9 күн бұрын
Sorry brotha, but the frequency range is not the frequency spectrum that you play that speaker within. That range just shows the frequencies a speaker can reproduce at low volume levels, but not for everyday listening.... just for lab testing. If you played an MW6 down to 30hz or up to 15kHz, you'd destroy it before you could enjoy it. 30hz is a subwoofer frequency, and 15kHz is a tweeter frequency. A 6.5" speaker is not supposed to play that low or high when considering Sound Quality tuning. I played my MW6 from 80-300hz. Any lower would have stressed it, and too much higher in a 3-way system would have taken me out of the midbass range I needed to be within, and would have ruined my sound. In a 2-way system, 80-2.2kHz would have been the highest I would have played them, and the Sound Quality would have still been better than the PA Loudspeakers. Different designs for different applications.
@SnailBurner
@SnailBurner 9 күн бұрын
​@Ahm-Creative well sure, but you mention that the guy has a 3.5 inch midrange and a super tweeter, so surely he's not playing his 6.5 inch speaker up to 15k either.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 9 күн бұрын
@@SnailBurner but you mentioned that the MW6 can play that range, so I figured you were making a comparison of that speaker to the loudspeaker design like the one's I mentioned in this video.
@rideordivekerry4830
@rideordivekerry4830 8 ай бұрын
They can both be SQ but they are designed for different applications. RCF probably does more R&D than any of these SQ brands but they don’t make their transducers for Car audio applications. Different horses for different courses. I get what you are saying
@booyascone4003
@booyascone4003 6 ай бұрын
Man the loudspeakers for one thing vocals I mean for no bass if you trying to put bass through them there ain't going to last long I don't care if on the website it says they're for bass I've seen websites that say there for me today for bass you want that way for vocal and then you put a bass speaker with it and then that way you got something loud and clear that's just my opinion on it
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 6 ай бұрын
Agreed! It's a very loud speaker with clear vocals if tuned right, but it's definitely not made for sound quality, as many try to say it is. For its purpose, it's great... but for quality musicality, not so much.
@Audfile
@Audfile 2 ай бұрын
When you're young, all you want is SPL because, let's be honest, you think it's going to get you attention. Then you get older and realize it sounds like crap. Then you dabble up the chain, a little nibble here and there, and then realize you get what you pay for. After that, boom, audiophile.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 2 ай бұрын
Lol brotha, that is about 98% true for me.... my SPL build actually sounded GOOD...and now I have an SQ-L system.... lol but yeeaaah maaaann, even though I can, I don't bass hard like I did 20+ years ago. I'm all about top tier audiophile gear.
@Audfile
@Audfile 2 ай бұрын
@@Ahm-Creative got a home system?
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 2 ай бұрын
@@Audfile unfortunately, no. That is not my strength even in the slightest. I have a basic Sony BDV plug n play surround sound system. Car audio is my passion.
@Audfile
@Audfile 2 ай бұрын
@Ahm-Creative ah. I'm the other way around. I have a sick 2.2 stereo, all state of the art, always wanted to do car but always end up upgrading my home system. I have about 8 pairs of speakers, 6 pairs of subs. Lots of little black boxes. But I'm doing my car right now. Building up all the performance bits first and in about six months do the stereo. I've had 2 Adire Audio Brahma 15 Mk. II for like 20 years, never been used. Putting one where my back seat used to be. The rest, probably Focal.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 2 ай бұрын
@@Audfile man that's awesome! Once I "perfect" my dream system... I'm nearly there...I may start learning about home audio... but it's never really been my thing. Especially since I have a condo...a big home audio system is not the best idea. When I get my forever home, then I just might look into something of better quality than my 20-yr old Aiwa bookshelf setup 😉
@F1Lionshare
@F1Lionshare 8 ай бұрын
Any sensitivity level above 95-97db is getting into a P.A. territory, which is definitely less musical. It can be clean, and crystal clear but deaf'NNNNNg! Finally I decided on a 2 tier system. SQ/SQL & SPL-ish. Tier 1 consist of CDT tweets & mid ranges, Hertz MB, DD subs. The 2nd tier adds more MR @ extreme dB levels with P.A. speakers. Deaf Bounce 8 inch & 6 inch MR and a pair of DEAF BOUNCE bullet tweeters. With the turn of a switch/knob I can push the limits of high frequency db levels to be disgustingly absurd and to annoy 18-30yr olds with their H.S.-College and 1st job out of college sound systems and rattling trunks. Sound deading, cross overs, DSP, texture, tonality. What's that ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣 I've never experienced a system integrating both worlds, but after chatting with you, you have it down to a science and both are gonna be awesome! I can't wait til you complete your build...I would love to see a few demo videos. It will truly be a one of a kind high end system!
@F1Lionshare
@F1Lionshare 8 ай бұрын
Coming soon!!!!
@woldemortxyz7996
@woldemortxyz7996 8 ай бұрын
Yes, 6.5" Pa mids are midranges and cannot be compared to a 6.5" "SQ" mid, but you have to just scale it up, and not buy the cheapest 30$ drivers. A larger PA midbass can and often does have better sound quality in many ways. E.g. I have 12" PA mids in my doors and they have the best transients that I've heard in a car and they play low, down to 50Hz and even 30Hz if you don't listen over 110dB. I do have 6.5" midranges, but they play 500-3000Hz and they also do it very cleanly. Because they have high sensitivity, they don't need as much power, so they have less distortion and more dynamic headroom. And I agree that most bullet tweeters are bad, but not all. I personally run compression drivers and they sound fantastic, again, because of low distortion and high dynamic headroom. All of this is assuming that everything is controlled with a DSP and is correctly measured and EQ:ed and time aligned etc... And if you don't trust me, go look at Fanta Orange Corsa's facebook. He competes in SQ but uses 10" PA midbasses because they are more transient and have more headroom. It's not black and white, both have their up's and downs. PA speakers can be better in many ways, but they take up more room. Edit: Oh and Pssound's honda that has 2x18" IB subs, those subs are basically PA speakers. They are made for IB but they use alot of design aspects from PA speakers to be more sensitive and transient.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
Great clarification, but look at the lengths you have to go through to achieve musicality from a PA speaker in comparison to what you can get from a 6.5 sq midbass. You have to go as large as 12 inches, and not many will have the space or willingness to create space to do so. I will say, years back one of the best sounding SQ cars I've ever heard had 12" PA mids in the kicks and completely converted his dash to dual compression horns, but again, look at the length he had to go through to achieve what you could with "conventional" sound quality speakers. I think what gets me is people using these speakers to be loud, as they're designed to be, but calling them sound q speakers.... it throws people off. And yes, I've seen Peter's Honda... that thing is magical, but I'm not sure those subs would be considered PA speakers just by looking at the design... especially the surround. My friend has 2 of them in an IB configuration also, and they move a lot of air, not like any PA speakers I've seen. Most have a xmax of 1mm or less, by design, but those have much more travel.
@woldemortxyz7996
@woldemortxyz7996 8 ай бұрын
Yes, space is the sacrifice for loud SQ. No 6.5" midbass can play down to 30Hz with authority either, which my 12" can. There is alot of misinformation about PA drivers, I agree. Most from people who either buy very cheap drivers and/or don't use a DSP to the fullest. The AE 18" IB subs have 18mm of xmax. E.g. the B&C 18DS115 has 17,7mm of xmax, with over three times the thermal power handling, both have their purpose, but the AE subs use PA style surrounds and cones to achieve higher sensitivity. If we compare to a more "car audio"-like IB sub like the One audio IB3 18, which has a more conventional high excursion surround. It has double the xmax of the AE IB18". So, like in the instance of PA drivers, the AE IB18 requires twice more room/cone area/subs for the same theoretical output at low frequencies in IB. Not saying you are wrong, but PA drivers can often be better, with the downside of more space taken. Like people saying that the AE subs have more transient bass.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
@@woldemortxyz7996 that is interesting to learn. Other than the SQ car I mentioned with the 12" PA drivers in the kick, every other instance has been painfully loud and not enjoyable whatsoever. One thing you threw me off with is the AE surrounds. Are they different on the 18", because the surround on the 15's my friend has, has the conventional rubber surround, and not the cloth double bump that conventional PA speakers have.
@Lasaro7499
@Lasaro7499 2 ай бұрын
My current front stage is morel carbon mw9s on doors with mw3s, 1 pair of focal be tweeters by the ear. Another pair of mw3s on dash, and carbon alto tweeters on a pillards. I want to replace those with the piccolos.
@kaedeschulz5422
@kaedeschulz5422 8 ай бұрын
This is only true for badly designed ones and the car audio folks who use those use whatever makes the most noise for the least money. Good ones are even found in STUDIO MONITORS where you off course MUST be able to reproduce every small detail without colouring the signal. I have heard many actual good PA systems and oh boy do they sound good! some could only dream of having that sound at home and don't even come close to the sound quality of serious and well designed PA setups despite spending thousands on equipment. It's insane when you have a system outside without much effects from wall reflexions that plays from 30hz up to 17khz without much effort at 140db if you wanted that still only has 2% Distortion and at average SPL levels probably has 0,5% distortion in pretty much the whole range. This give the ability to play extremly dynamic program without distortion or compression and because of not being distorted it's still enjoyable despite being loud and the artists work can shine thru as they intented without being degraded in quality.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, I have never used them in proper applications... only on stunt walls in SPL vehicles or cars that claim to be sound quality, with them screaming so loud, your ears are ringing within minutes...and they take pride in that. If they wouldn't consider them sound quality speakers, I'd likely not have anything to say, but when they're promoting these in their screaming setups, it's very misleading to those new to car audio.
@kaedeschulz5422
@kaedeschulz5422 8 ай бұрын
@@Ahm-Creative Yea even if good driver's aren't implemented well it's not gonna sound great if the mids for example are not eq'd right and not leveled in to the rest properly it's gonna result in annoying esr piercing sound. If the set-up is flat and everything together is loud that's way more pleasant!
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
@@kaedeschulz5422 oh yeah, I've definitely heard high end speakers sound like trash...and it's a terrible waste.
@kaedeschulz5422
@kaedeschulz5422 8 ай бұрын
@@Ahm-Creative Me too! Its sad!
@Pittsburgh-412
@Pittsburgh-412 8 ай бұрын
Why can't we have loud Sq systems 😂
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
😄 we can... just not painfully loud 😉
@Pittsburgh-412
@Pittsburgh-412 8 ай бұрын
@Ahm-Creative lol I know exactly what you was saying in this video. People tend to think that Rockford Fosgate and jl suck because they aren't as loud as say sundown but they aren't created equal
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
@@Pittsburgh-412 yeah bro...they're just made for different things, and that's not to say one is better than the other, but quit saying your system is sound quality, because it is not. They should call them "clarity speakers" instead of sound quality speakers.
@khunigan
@khunigan 8 ай бұрын
They lack true midbass.A large portion of your music. If a 6.5"6x9,8"&10"that can't go to 100hz. Wtf? That's a midrange. And they sound like 💩. There will always be a gap between 60hz- 100hz. I don't get it.😖
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
THANK YOU BRO... THANK YOU! They have an xmax of like 1mm.... no midbass at all, and even if they're playing in midrange frequencies, they still sound like a bullhorn. Definitely NOT SQ speakers.
@clintmurphy5436
@clintmurphy5436 8 ай бұрын
Come sit in my truck bro... you WILL NOT be able to tell what speakers are in my doors...
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
I don't know bro...I've heard these speakers many times before and they sound different...not in a bad way, but just different. BUT....I would love for you to convince me otherwise....honestly. No hate.
@clintmurphy5436
@clintmurphy5436 8 ай бұрын
@@Ahm-Creative I once felt the same way my guy. I've played with brands like Diamond Audio, Morel, Focal, and a few other high end SQ brands. After what I've experienced with my DD VO series pro audio mids, I will never again my life spend all that money for these high-end "SQ" speakers .
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
@@clintmurphy5436 Real spit my man....I've had most of them too, and they're painfully expensive. But I've never heard the PA type speakers tuned in the same manner, so if they're capable, I'm all for saving some bread.
@cdshawn
@cdshawn 8 ай бұрын
Don't be so sensitive...... and if that ain't funny as s*** to you you ain't been messing with speaker wires long enough😂
@jpmerrick8886
@jpmerrick8886 8 ай бұрын
I use sinfoni grandioso midranges and 25th anniversary tweeters
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
Bro, I have yet to hear those, but they look awesome! And for that price point, I imagine they sound better than they look!
@djkeys415s
@djkeys415s 8 ай бұрын
I no exactly the kinda loud your talkin about in the park
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
Painfully loud!
@joaquinsanchez7723
@joaquinsanchez7723 8 ай бұрын
😂 you don’t know about Beyma…😂
@joaquinsanchez7723
@joaquinsanchez7723 8 ай бұрын
Hello n the car world 🌎 a 6.5 is a mid-range 🤦‍♂️
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
For car audio....I don't.
@Ahm-Creative
@Ahm-Creative 8 ай бұрын
@@joaquinsanchez7723 don't you mean mid bass? If a 6.5 is a mid range, what do you consider a 3.5 or 4"?
@rideordivekerry4830
@rideordivekerry4830 8 ай бұрын
They can both be SQ but they are designed for different applications. RCF probably doesn’t more R&D than any of these SQ brands but they don’t make their transducers for Car audio applications. Different horses for different courses. I get what you are saying
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