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@DWPlanetA Жыл бұрын
What do you think is the best nuclear storage option?
@insynthesiswithinfiniteis2318 Жыл бұрын
The best nuclear storage option is to stop producing this super dangerous, unstorable, poison altogether.
@insynthesiswithinfiniteis2318 Жыл бұрын
@@pcoristi THIS!
@Yep190011 ай бұрын
Stop making something ☢️ that's can't be destroyed
@DelbertTritsch11 ай бұрын
Recycling.
@insynthesiswithinfiniteis231811 ай бұрын
@@DelbertTritsch You can't recycle this awful poison, and trying just compounds the problem ten fold. You just end up with a lot more of this radioactive waste in forms that are much more difficult, and expensive to manage.
@microcomputermaster Жыл бұрын
Most of this stuff is currently sitting on the surface in cooling ponds outside nuclear power plants, or in lead-lined barrels that are already corroding away under the elements. Sticking it deep underground is definitely an improvement.
@bastik.30119 ай бұрын
Isnt it a huge myth that the fuel rod container can corode? I mean they hit the sarcophagus with a freight train and it was fine
@nikoheino39279 ай бұрын
@@bastik.3011it stays radioactive for 100000 years, imagine the ancient egypt when the pyramids were built 4000 years ago, now multiple that time frame by 25. the pods on the surface will NOT last 100 THOUSAND years. only real solution is very deep in specific type of rock inside of a specialized container, and in a place where there isnt anything interesting so that in ten thousand years no one accidentaly mines there when we have forgotten that its there.
@bastik.30119 ай бұрын
@@nikoheino3927 obviously but we have the tools for it but superstition about radioactive prevents that solution. I Would highly recommend Kyle Hills series on that topic
@yes123379 ай бұрын
Did you hear about the Russian radioactive river and lake? Standing more than 30 minutes nearby could kill you, so putting the shit underground is a revolutionary step forward imho
@pazsion9 ай бұрын
Not being able to monitor the toxic waste makes it dangerous, that’s why we stopped storing it underground. Because it self ignites. Clay being an organic material causes criticality… All of this has been tried before … and failed. That’s why it’s all stores at the nuclear plants still.
@vernonbrechin4207 Жыл бұрын
In the U.S.A. the government promised to provide a deep geological repository for high level radioactive waste in the 1950s. There still is no such repository and none on the near term horizon. Of all the dozens of nations that generate Spent Nuclear Fuel (SNF) waste only Finland has nearly completed such a repository. In general, the revenues, produced from nuclear power plants have always taken precedents over the final disposition of the high level radioactive waste produced by the power plants.
@insynthesiswithinfiniteis231811 ай бұрын
Yup, the whole model of the nuclear industry is to privatize the profit, publicize the risk and the enormously expensive radioactive waste management for the next 20,000 years. Nuclear fission is a total scam.
@calvinlawn345711 ай бұрын
From my brief research, the Yucca Mountain repository that they started working on was canceled for political reasons. It was built decades after many nuclear plants were (50-70s vs 2002 when the project was approved), so I can see how that’s a broken promise. However, with that said, I’m not sure greed is the strongest criticism here. Nuclear is generally much safer for the environment and people, especially in the short term (between 1950 and 2100, I’d say, if not several centuries or even millennia longer). Fossil fuels are far worse for the planet and the US government supports them far more (from subsidies totaling $26+ billion annually to car-centric infrastructure, like funding highways well to encourage driving while neglecting transit), and that has done more harm than nuclear has, to the environment and public health, even the economy.
@vernonbrechin420711 ай бұрын
@@calvinlawn3457 - Thank you for your perspective. It is typical of those with an agenda of promoting a technological love affair with nuclear power. You did a good job of cherry picking data that supports what you desired. Most people become skilled as such processes. Typically, people immerse themselves in echo-chambers that provide them with data and arguments that reinforce what they prefer to believe in. The pronuclear sites exclude certain facts regarding the Yucca Mountain Project. They don't mention that during the lengthy research phase it was found that the mountain was more porous to rainwater than expected. In response a workaround solution was created that greatly added to the projected cost. This is part of the politics that the nuclear advocates didn't hear about. The Yucca Mountain project began at least a decade before 2002. It consumed far more than expected and lasted well beyond it's original time-line. The research phase consumed almost $10 billion. Only the spine tunnel was created. None of the vast network of emplacement tunnels were bored. It is estimated that it would cost approximately $100 billion to complete the project. Those who promote nuclear power safety typically don't point out the following. The Fukushima Daiichi triple reactor meltdown fiasco consisted of three independently operated reactors that were designed to operate completely independently of one another. Each reactor had numerous layers of backup systems. There were at least three sources of external high voltage lines that could supply power even if the independently operated emergency generators failed. The earthquake and tsunami wipped out all of that. The reactors were based upon a proven GE reactor design that had involved teams of nuclear power engineers with oversight from the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC). The original promoters were expected to reassure the public of the safety of such reactors by demonstrating all the care that went into their design. Typically, those promoting nuclear power continue to assume that we have 20-30 years left to turn this 'Titanic' around. They, like the vast majority of Earth's 8.0+ billion people have become masterful at excluding the following warnings from their consciousness. I urge readers to search for the following article titles. IPCC report: ‘now or never’ if world is to stave off climate disaster (TheGuardian) UN chief: World has less than 2 years to avoid 'runaway climate change' (TheHill) * This statement was made 4.5 years ago.
@isseelmi18409 ай бұрын
Never say never, poor people in 3023 probably won’t be able to read it
@uncertaintytoworldpeace36509 ай бұрын
When u can’t follow the consequences of ur actions because they are so vast that’s how u know you have made a specific incorrect life belief or decisions to believe in lie
@bladeslayer10898 ай бұрын
Maybe language evolves so not even rich can understand that. Also in finland school is mandatory
@Da40kOrks8 ай бұрын
There are people working on that very issue all the time. Plenty of videos about it.
@WikterRor28078 ай бұрын
Come on... it's not so hard as to remember where we hid highly radioaxtive material for a 1000 years, we have older castles around and we know what they were used for. But I really liked the idea of creating a cult with the cnowledge of all nuclear waste sites that would keep all their knowled in a more ritualistic sense, that even if language changes... we could still remember
@Bernoris8 ай бұрын
People in 3023 probably won't even be affected by the radiation I mean come on 1000 years? Technology then would be borderline magic
@Naturexyz-ow1ri Жыл бұрын
Elephant foot laughing
@Knatrick29 күн бұрын
The 5 megacurie industrial Cobalt-60 irradiator sitting in the corner: 👀
@CyberCy29 ай бұрын
I dont know about you but i trust the scientists more than the opperators
@henryjanicky49788 ай бұрын
Like climate change
@cedi55818 ай бұрын
@henryjanicky4978 Antarctica has flowers now, we are continually having the hottest year on record in succession, winters are getting shorter and warmer, and plants are dying because they can't go through their natural cycles. WHAT MORE DO YOU FUCKING NEED?
@nobodynobody77138 ай бұрын
Scientists do the bidding of lobbyists, I have more faith in Finnish ingenuity.
@WikterRor28078 ай бұрын
Not really, Firstly... what these guns said. 2ndly... scientist tend to theorise over having an actual hands on approach... 6m of concrete, and then fully encasing it will be the Best options for us... Kinda sucks that we have to put a part of our earth to be basically unusable, but well... takes less palce than our currwnt landfills
@jakehildebrand18248 ай бұрын
@@WikterRor2807You know its completely recyclable right?
@faroukobafemi94968 ай бұрын
Imagine the gift we have prepared for future Archaeologists.
@Zapprz_7 ай бұрын
Imagine going to this place in 4084 and seeing a random giant mutant isopod just chilling on a park bench
@ThePizzaGoblin Жыл бұрын
Wow this place is so honorable. I bet some great deeds are esteemed here!
@samreagan62928 ай бұрын
There has to be something important down there, why else would they try to hide it from us?
@BlahVideosBlahBlah8 ай бұрын
You got me to genuinely burst out laughing
@psylinx Жыл бұрын
Or If I remember correctly that type of radioactive substances can be put through another type of reactor again.
@vernonbrechin4207 Жыл бұрын
The public has been flooded with claims that the waste can be recycled in nuclear fission power plants. The stories tend to avoid mentioning many key details and limitations of such recycling. The recycling efforts require expensive chemical separation of the unfissioned fuel and re-fabrication into new fuel elements. The stories tend to exclude mentioning that the fission product components can't be recycled and still require a lengthy period of isolation from the biosphere.
@jan-lukas Жыл бұрын
And nobody talks about how there's only theories how you could do that, but nobody has actually done it
@vernonbrechin4207 Жыл бұрын
@@jan-lukas - I prefer clarity and full disclosure. Actually numerous countries do chemically recycle the fissionable portion of the Spent Nuclear Fuel (SNF) that is discharged from their reactors. It has been going on for many decades and one of the largest recycling plants is in France. They rarely mention anything regarding the fate of the portion of the SNF that can't be recycled and must be isolated from the biosphere for around 600 years. A decision was made in the U.S., about five decades ago, to not recycle our SNF due to concerns about possible diversion, of the plutonium-239 isotope, into making nuclear weapons. What anger's me most is all the pitching done, to those with no nuclear engineering training, that suggests that the SNF can be directly fed into recycling reactors and that that process consumes all portions of the previous waste product. Some people seem to believe that deception of others is an essential part of promoting their agenda.
@user-bu3wm7co1c8 ай бұрын
they don't have the technology that the Russians have
@50-frames-of-stick712 ай бұрын
@@vernonbrechin4207even today 30 percent of nuclear waste is recycled and the rest is kept on site in safe flaks oil and gas produce more waste in a year than all nuclear waste ever made
@henryjanicky49788 ай бұрын
Leave instructions for generations ahead in millions years
@insynthesiswithinfiniteis2318 Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Lake Karachay has this place beat when it comes to being "The most radioactive place on earth".
@drumkommandr97798 ай бұрын
So uh Few lies here The most radioactive place would be the ruins of the Chernobyl reactor Nuclear waste storage does not emit dangerous levels of radiation
@VoiceDisasterNz2 ай бұрын
This channel seems to be biased against nuclear
@50-frames-of-stick712 ай бұрын
@@VoiceDisasterNzfuck this channel than
@beakytwitch79058 ай бұрын
Why ? Spent fuel rods get stored for 100 years while the short-lived radionucleotides decay away. Then the rods get processed and their composite materials separated and re-used. And as and when we change to Thorium lftr reactors, even the highly active waste from uranium reactors can be burned up.
@GoldSwordKiller8 ай бұрын
Solid, processed material is such a good storage option that this is kind if obsolete now. Its sad that we don't really get to use insanely deep storage like this, but amazing at how much we can reduce the radioactivity of fuel to a point if it being okay to touch the containers.
@letideman8 ай бұрын
How much energy does it take to build this place?
@Worker2253 ай бұрын
I want to work at a nuclear power plant when i grow up. An im in Finland.
@markharris12238 ай бұрын
It sounds scary, but for those of us who remember the recurrent smogs in the 70s which killed tens of thousands in the UK, it is a lesser evil. I remember traffic crawling along being guided by a line of glowing oil-soaked rags to identify the curb at the side of the roadway. The streetlights could not be seen by drivers or pedestrians through the thick black oily smog. For weeks after a smog, blowing ones nose would produce a clear black stain on ones handkerchief. The process of shot-blasting the blackened Victorian buildings of Manchester in the late 20th century revealed a world which had not been seen by a living soul. With coal gone, the buildings are still clean. Civilisation is impossible without the consumption of energy.
@perryfinn50278 ай бұрын
Well north Europe people care more about carbon dioxide rather than radioactive
@Boop__Doop5 ай бұрын
Meanwhile The uranium butplug: ...
@lunatik969611 ай бұрын
Thorium reactors can burn plutonium and uranium waste.
@SuperShyGuyBros54321Ай бұрын
Anatoly Dyatlov: Hold my vodka.
@0lemus0lent05 Жыл бұрын
Why don't we just the reacyor type that can reuse the fuel and minimize waste. The tech exists.
@daleneparole1502 Жыл бұрын
And already tried such process... Had to peal the Scientists off the ceiling. Idaho
@adrianthoroughgood119111 ай бұрын
@@alanhat5252no, normal reactors make plutonium. Plutonium is the main radioactive component in the waste. Fast reactors consume the plutonium.
@0lemus0lent0511 ай бұрын
@@daleneparole1502 manually operated prototype reactor that had been corroding and wich had non-standard rods in doing tests on higher capasity than it was initially desingned for? It wasn't even fast reactor in my knowledge
@marystrube46949 ай бұрын
No profit or not enough
@user-bu3wm7co1c8 ай бұрын
they don't have the technology that the Russians have
@Krzemieniewski18 ай бұрын
Why copper?
@DWPlanetA7 ай бұрын
Copper seems to be the most suitable solution at the moment as its highly resistant. In our longer video on the topic we explain that there lays a residual risk though 👉kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h6x1l5iD0NXYdnk.html ⚡
@jasonsnavely28448 ай бұрын
Why not recycle the nuclear waste?
@breakthrough125 ай бұрын
wow that's so deep you can hear my echo....
@conodor16028 ай бұрын
It will be but it must aşk. Is the Elefant food in Chernobyl Nuclear Powerplant more Radioactive?
@gerodnielsen8057 ай бұрын
Finland rocks.
@ketchuproter37968 ай бұрын
Claiming it works if no one can control it is good marketing
@DoesNotSniffTurtleFarts5 ай бұрын
All this-to boil some water.
@Baronstone11 ай бұрын
If the containers are pure copper they will only last a few decades
@dynamogaming49539 ай бұрын
Thats my point
@RacismIsMentalillness9 ай бұрын
They aren’t just pure copper, rewatch the video
@volodymyr_budii8 ай бұрын
There is no water or any other environmental stuff to corrode and damage it. it won't break
@WilCoxon0075 ай бұрын
You should tell the engineers, they probably don’t realise. They must not have thought about designing the containers to last a couple of decades.
@radioactive43887 ай бұрын
Send it to the sun
@Sondergarden7 ай бұрын
Just launch it into deep space if it’s that bad
@Ayanami009 ай бұрын
Just send them to inhabitable planets or gas giants 💀
@susumo92159 ай бұрын
tell me that this is a joke...💀
@Ayanami009 ай бұрын
@@susumo9215 Nawh I'm serious 💀 atleast in the future we won't accidentally dig into a hell
@volodymyr_budii8 ай бұрын
@Ayanami00 Extremely expensive, and Uranium is very heavy. Nobody is going to care about small patch of land very deep uneground, so much free space that isn't gonna be used anyway. Also, by the time you are talking about I am sure we will have much better treatment of cancer
@GraemeWight-wx3xz5 ай бұрын
So thats where Americas nukes will be stationed.
@raymondwinter55258 ай бұрын
Copper copper my brain has suffered a catastrophic failure WHY not lead lead aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
@user-ie4tt1xp7j4 ай бұрын
Here is your "carbon-neutral", "environmentally-friendly" and "cheap" nuclear energy, bro.
@50-frames-of-stick712 ай бұрын
Yes thats exactly what nuclear energy is
@JG-xi4tu8 ай бұрын
Good job finnland
@williebrort8 ай бұрын
Finding a way to recycle the nuclear fuel would be the best solution.
@patrickordway63038 ай бұрын
It don't matter how we store them
@wendigowithaninternetconne95948 ай бұрын
After a century if were still using the same tech may we just be died out lmao
@red-baitingswine8816 Жыл бұрын
Molten salt fission can burn this waste as fuel, cleanly and cheaply.
@red-baitingswine8816 Жыл бұрын
@@alanhat5252 . Not the coolant. In a molten salt reactor, the fuel is dissolved in molten salt, so the fuel is liquid. The coolant could also be molten salt, and I think that works well.
@red-baitingswine8816 Жыл бұрын
@@alanhat5252 . Fast neutron MSR's burn all kinds of nuclear waste as fuel (e.g. spent solid fuel, depleted U, Pu239, etc) and also Thorium; leaving very little waste of their own.
@insynthesiswithinfiniteis231811 ай бұрын
Only a very small portion of the waste, and it is prohibitively expensive, and dangerous. In reality this process really compounds the radioactive waste problem by generating a lot more waste, but in forms that are much more difficult to manage
@insynthesiswithinfiniteis231811 ай бұрын
@@alanhat5252 You are the one making ridiculous, ignorant claims. How about you cite your sources? There is nothing clean or cheap about nuclear fuel reprocessing.
@red-baitingswine881611 ай бұрын
@@insynthesiswithinfiniteis2318 Liar.
@Dear_friends_of_navaro4 ай бұрын
You are wrong Chernobyl is the most radioactive place in the world
@aljeandropacheco36088 ай бұрын
I like it
@mreese87649 ай бұрын
Cooper? At least use some bronze.
@marystrube46949 ай бұрын
Copper really... Please can't we use something a little stronger than cat litter and 6ft of concrete... We send ships into space let's use some of that material....
@volodymyr_budii8 ай бұрын
? Space ship materials are not designed for such tasks. Cooper is really resistant to corrosion, and so is all other stuff soon deep underground where nothing is gonna reach it
@buckforbuck9 ай бұрын
Crrat so the world's seed bank gets damaged by nuclear waste.
@RascaldeesV28 ай бұрын
A million years, huh? Nice scare tactic.
@nobodynobody77138 ай бұрын
I put more faith in finnish ingenuity than a scientist that do the bidding of lobbyists.
@ext1nction8944 ай бұрын
What a waste of money lol when its cheaper to recycle and repurpose them
@thorthevikingror43348 ай бұрын
Why Finland? I'm guessing the ground is the most stable land on earth. No floods hurricane or quakes
@DWPlanetA8 ай бұрын
Yes. ⚡⚡The geological stability and low seismic activity are two of the factors making Finland a suitable place for this. Low population density, regulatory framework as well as public support play a role too. Please check out our full video on Onkalo here 👉 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h6x1l5iD0NXYdnk.html.
@manikandand50198 ай бұрын
You guys forgot, underground water are like underground river flowing several thousand kilometres If underground water is poisoned with ratio active materials, no one can use ground water for even farming , then they will also show up in swamps, disaster this is disaster
@SuperPeanut10807 ай бұрын
These are kept beyond the reach of ground water
@manikandand50197 ай бұрын
@@SuperPeanut1080 Germany said the same, they failed
@pleasestandup8 ай бұрын
Why polute new places? Chernobyl is a nuclear wasteland and will be for the next 10,000 years. Why npt store all the worlds spent nuclear waste there? Sealed correctly, of course.
@DWPlanetA8 ай бұрын
Storing all the world's nuclear waste in one location could pose quite many risks; geopolitical and ethical. Also, transporting waste is a challenge. Multiple countries are currently exploring deep geological repositories as potential solutions for long-term storage. Few reasons to why Finland for example, is suitable for this type of storage; community support and consent, low seismic activity and stable geological condition. 🙌⚡
@Chobaca3 ай бұрын
YOU NEVER TRUST THE WORD OF SOMEONE MAKING MONEY ON IT!
@mathisballardt95927 ай бұрын
Germany looking at this place: 👁🫦👁
@chrisetzkorn38618 ай бұрын
Just send it to the sun
@corwinj.21044 ай бұрын
I can't wait to tell people about this. I've been trying to get people on board with nuclear energy again. But no one wants to understand how we TRULY deal with waste. Some how they still think using our lungs to filter gas burning is better, and that's wild.
@FFFFFFFFFF49 ай бұрын
Impossible how did they break the bedrock...
@praveen301811 ай бұрын
Not only Finland, Chernobyl also holds radiation like these also....
@Michel2003g9 ай бұрын
they should make it in such way its easy to reach in case they see it not working out later
@flashyfate27738 ай бұрын
Stop making it
@jaswinderkaur-si9lw9 ай бұрын
Trillions and trillions of dollars business in the world
@doomoo53659 ай бұрын
I'm not sure why copper would be used instead of ceramic
@DWPlanetA9 ай бұрын
Copper has proven to be a very resistant material and it's highly corrosion-resistant, especially in the underground environment of the repository.
@renderedtoxic54039 ай бұрын
It's not a cave it's a underground mine. And it's called and drift, ramp, raise and shaft.
@johnbravo10058 ай бұрын
So much for clean energy
@justatiger62688 ай бұрын
What could possibly go wrong?
@ps-ic8pm8 ай бұрын
Dump the waste over the Russian border.
@pazsion9 ай бұрын
Yea, copper would degrade in days… would be dumb to put anything radioactive into this as it reacts with copper adding to it’s breaking down. It would be full of holes in less than a year
@volodymyr_budii8 ай бұрын
Dude, it is deep underground with a lot of inert stuff around, there is nothing to corrode it. And Uranium is solid, it isn't gonna leak anywhere
@PauloAdriano-zo2ng3 ай бұрын
The plan is to import the entire Chernobyl nuclear reactor to this site, in exchange for one hundred years of FREE Russian Gas. 😮
@FizzyZailani Жыл бұрын
This is just awful. Perhaps it seems like an improvement over what we have now but overall still just awful and NOT COOL. A cancerous cell/tumor is cancerous regardless of the stage of cancer. And calling nuclear waste "Cancer" is an understatement.
@crazydragy4233 Жыл бұрын
Not all tumours are canerous though? Literally some cancers are benign, bad analogy or youre not making the point you think you are Xd
@nikoheino3927 Жыл бұрын
the thing that causes the cancer, is specifically gamma radiation, which is just photons (light) at a specific wavelenght. and we are 24/7 exposed to gamma radiation, thats coming from space. also bananas are radioactive. my point is, small amounts are fine. and from that depth, nothing can get out. like literally less than a feet/half a meter of concrete would block almost all radiation, now imagine 500 meters, thats over 1600ft.
@volodymyr_budii8 ай бұрын
By your logic sun is bad and we should delete it because it causes skin cancer. Cancer is a cell that starts to multiply uncontrollably after its DNA was damaged and was unable to be repaired. This can be caused of many different reasons and radiation is only one of them. It could happen by itself. Could be because of Alcohol. Maybe you got poisoned with toxins once. The important part is, uranium can't hurt anything if it is deep underground in middle of nowhere, and advantages of nuclear energy 200% worth the inconvenience of looking for spot to bury it.
@50-frames-of-stick712 ай бұрын
Nuclear waste is very overplayed more oil and gas waste is produced in a year than all nuclear waste ever produced all of the waste is kept on site in large safe chambers
@VijaySuryaAditya9 ай бұрын
Let's hope the "operators" are right for once!
@C.I... Жыл бұрын
I think the solution to "we have too much thousand year death juice and don't have anywhere to put the death juice or ways to explain how dangerous it is in language that will survive thousands of years" is to stop making death juice. That's just me though.
@WanderTheNomad Жыл бұрын
We can have a little bit of death juice, as a treat.
@DWPlanetA Жыл бұрын
Hey there! You could be interested in our other videos on nuclear. Germany´s nuclear exit 👉 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m72lerOQxqjTiZs.html Do we need nuclear to stop climate change? 👉 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b75gY8SdlqzXmoE.html
@volodymyr_budii8 ай бұрын
What juice? Uranium is solid. Fun fact, coal power plants release more radioactive elements into aor then nuclear power. There is no problem of burying it underground, nobody I'd gonna care about something that is hundreds of meters down in the middle of nowhere. Solar panels in the end of their life spam also generate a lot of waste that is not recyclable.
@50-frames-of-stick712 ай бұрын
Nuclear power is very clean and efficient 30 percent is recycled and the rest is stored on site in safe containers in every regard it’s the greatest source of energy 0 carbon emissions 0 destroying environments and it can produce a fuck ton of energy
@RhelrahneTheIdiot8 ай бұрын
Gotta love humans, it took us 70 fucking years just to start working on a giant hole to put nuclear waste in