An important note is that TAA is a lot better when it uses a history buffer that is 200% screen resolution. 100% will immediately leak to other pixels, while 200% will leak to sub pixels first and blur less in the final result. (Edit: you can do it right away with 4x DSR (0% smoothness) and a 50% input upscaler, like DLSS performance without sharpening). Unreal engine has the console command r.temporalaa.historyscreenpercentage 200 for this, but it's only rarely used in games. Not even cinematic TAA utilizes it by default. Epic and cinematic TSR use a similar console command (r.tsr.history.screenpercentage 200), but they are very expensive: about 1.7 ms at 1080p on my 3070. It's not perfect though. 1080p will look like 960p in motion, so the blur is minimized and probably worth the greatly improved stability, but smearing cannot be avoided on changing surface colors and (semi) transparency, including grids and foliage with lots of detail. Either the foreground or the background will smear in motion, for at least one frame. Other console commands I use are r.tsr.history.samplecount 8 (to make the TSR less agressive and minimize blur even further) and r.tsr.shadingrejection.samplecount 0 (to minimize the said smearing due to parallax disocclusion). To avoid smearing due to vertex animation, you need to enable 'output velocities due to vertex deformation' in the project settings and use the console command r.BasePassForceOutputsVelocity 1 in unreal engine 4. This automatically corrects time based vertex animation and skeletal meshes. For other things like interactions and texture UV deformation, you need a previous frame switch to tell the compiler the difference between the current and previous frame. This goes into the world position offset, since motion vectors are calculated per vertex and interpolated to one value per pixel Sorry for my long comment. It's not necessary to understand all the technical stuff, but TAA is pretty involved and there are a lot of misconceptions about it. Even among game devs

@@normaalewoon6740 I'm aware of that console command, when people say their TAA looks bad in UE4 games that's one of the first commands I recommend they use to mitigate blur

@@normaalewoon6740 Also can I get your opinion of the CVARs "r.TSR.Subpixel.DepthMaxAge" & "r.TSR.Subpixel.Method"? I've tested them myself, I want to know what you use/think. Also r.TSR.History.GrandReprojection was a good thing but I think it's been removed in newer versions of UE5

@@HybredI actually did not see a difference when I tested them, I think you know more than I. The CVARs I mentioned did the trick. I go for the weakest settings that do the job, at the highest quality I can afford to keep the motion clarity as good as possible. All I need is a consistent 85 fps for backlight strobing, v-sync + an fps cap, motion blur during fast camera rotation only, high quality upscaling from 100 to 200% screen resolution and reprojection disabled on transparent surfaces, if that provides a clearer result

also F***TAA subreddit needs mention

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​@@Odyssey636DLSS still uses temporal anti aliasing.What are you talking about mate? Edit: It can look better than native TAA SOMETIMES depending on how bad the TAA implementation is. I am on AMD and what I do if I can is set my display resolution to 4k and play it on my 1080p screen. This is better than native 1080p TAA

@@west5385 Yep, that's what I do: Use DSR (Dynamic Super Sampling).

@@west5385 i try that, but my pc cant rull all games at 4k. My old rx 5600 xt couldn't run Jedi Fallen Order at 4k60, but the blur was manageable at a bit lower resolution, while keeping 60fps. Same with red dead 2, i have to use 150% resolution scaling, but that drops my fps to like 40

Wow this is what I mean! This 4k games looking blurry has been bothering for so long, I can't think why anyone think this was a good idea. It's literally looking at a picture with bad eyes, I don't care if this is creator content or not but just get rid of it!

Yes but it's getting worse and worse as the more it's used, the less options/control we get over it, and the worse it looks when we disable it. No one cared when it was optional. Much like DLSS/FSR is being relied on for performance now, TAA is the same problem before that was an issue.

longer than that. Far Cry 4 (2014) has like 5 different kinds of AA and they all look awful

@@kylerclarke2689 Technically even longer than that since the first prototype of temporal AA was found in Crysis 2 in 2011. Far Cry 4's only blurry AA is NVIDIA's TXAA. And that one was indeed awful.

​@@Scorpwind Crysis 2 dof was the worst for making the image blurry, it was absolutely horrendous.

@@originalityisdead.9513 I wasn't talking about DOF but sure, that too to some degree as well, I guess.

If you have it, PalWorld just does a Temporal Super Resolution (TSR) and tbh it looks much better than TAA and runs just as fast too...

The ultimate issue is square pixels on monitors and TVs. Projectors have natural anti-alialising which makes them better than TVs for cinematic games.

@@Vifnis palworld is unoptimised garbage and it's AA settings literally have no impact on performance. No matter what AA you choose, it still looks like shit, and you're better off turning it off and using reshade post processing AA and fine tuning it to make it look half decent. But palworld has much bigger issues than AA, one of them being subpixel geometry. Because it's in effect just an asset flip, with bough and free assets thrown haphazardly into a "game", there's basically no optimization, and thusly pretty much no LOD work other than what already came with the assets. If there's no or not enough LOD, this leads to polygons in distance that are smaller than the actual pixels they're being rendered into, and this causes massive performance drops (as the GPU has to "work out" how to render something smaller than a pixel, a few million times each frame) and of course decreased visual fidelity, as geometric accuracy is lost, leading to inaccurate pixel fill.

@@mikehawk6918 wut? TAA isn't great but DLAA is good. I don't have blurriness issues with DLAA

Hold on. DLAA is for down-sampling, so you're suppose to be starting with a resolution higher than your monitor.

Also overdone DOF

The unchangeable low FOV has turned me off of modern games entirely. It literally makes me feel sick.

@@Sanguivore same. Often you can manually change it by editing configs, or find mods to fix it.

@@trapper1211 Yeah, when that’s an option, I definitely go looking for it if it’s a game I really wanna play.

A 70 degree field of view is the standard. Most people say 90 degrees is the sweet spot. This is the equivalent of standing 2 meters away from a large window and taking one step forward, sure you can see a bit more of what's outside but it's not earth shattering. High FOV looks ridiculous, like you're a goat with eyes on the side of your head. How is that the less sickness inducing version for you? 😂 I'm not trying to be a jerk, I've just got a good nose for poor excuses. MOST modern games have a generous enough FOV or the ability to change it. So what's the real issue mate? 😂

TAA is one of the performance killers in modern games

@@GewelReal "TAA is one of the performance killers in modern games" I wonder if this is a feature for the future and not meant for present day.... might have to dig thru arXiv for this one... what I'm saying is, on a 1080p display it might be HUGE loss in detail, but for those using an 8K Gaming set-up (lmfao) it probably adds a lot of performance for the processing required... tbh FXAA just looks like crap and TAA easily adds a realism to games I play personally, BUT PalWorld coming out I recntly learned of TSR (Temporal Super Resolution, istelf tbh is kinda simplier and safer-and we have been doing it for years on desktops)

@@Vifnis why not just use smth like FSR or DLSS? It does both antialiasing and FPS boost. Theres no way you'll ever get MSAA8x-like image quality while keeping acceptable framerate. Miracles dont happen, you gotta pay with something. TAA is an amazing technology that allows you to completely eliminate pixelating at a very low price. AI upscaling will replace it completely however. There is no need to have both.

fsr and dlss will never look native@@fureimu_64

What annoys me even more is when games don't even have an option to disable it. Days Gone doesn't even have any anti aliasing settings. You have to mess with ini files but that's also removes HUD prompts

it's turned on by default in the editor

as of version 5.1 something is making it blurry by default.. maybe they turned it off in 5.3 bouta check next week@@PugoSixtyFour

You can see this with that awful kong game, the effect is cranked to 11. Is like an Unreal engine curse.

TSR is the new default in UE5 because upscaling from a lower resolution gets you better performance, especially with lumen/nanite being hard on your GPU. I'm sure it's not helping a lot with the blurring if you're not tuning it.

TAA is needed because without it LODs cause a bunch of flickering with Nanite. I don't know if there are effective alternatives.

I have a powerful PC and I turn off most graphics settings like bloom, motion blur, and depth of field. All I need is textures, shadows, and MSAA. The other settings are just unnecessary processing and the game actually looks better without them.

This. And often its just horrible settings. Like in Fallout 4, where they used the worst settings possible for TAA. Especially in F4 VR this was an issue, the blurriness literally caused headaches and it turns out you just need to adjust 3-4 settings in an .ini file to fix it and still have good anti-aliasing effects...

one game that does TAA very well is War Thunder surprisingly. The TAA effect makes the game look so smooth that it feels jittery to look at without it.

​@r1zmy I genuinely enjoy TAA in WT as it's a very well-done anti-aliasing option compared to DLSS. I turn on DLSS for the sole reason of playing 'spot the dot' in GRB/ARB when I'm trying to spot air targets.

​@@r1zmya little bit off topic: can I enjoy War Thunder without spending money? Or is it heavily p2w?

Yup, the information is gone. And you can't get it back. You can use sophisticated algorithms to guess information to add back into the image, but it is gone. Sharpening a blurry image doesn't help with aliasing or flicker, stuff still looks muddy, but also has way to hard edge contrast.

it's like the CSI "zoom in, enhance" meme

Both are high frequency noise, yeah

spot on - not to mention (idk if its the same in modern tv's) but back in the day there was a literal "sharpness" option on your TV. So in theory today's games would be doubly sharpened through the game itself then the TV.

Reminds me of the overly sharp and contrast heavy Half-Life 2 textures.

nfs heat was specially bad for me with the forced chromatic aberration on top of the TAA blur. Had to scale to 1440p and trade some performance

Haha, man I thought it was just me. A majority of these games look blurry and that's why I always cranked up sharpness even though that's frowned upon.

Gaming went through a really weird direction. I wish more games would go for compelling visuals like Dishonored instead of trying to make everything look "realistic".

hell on the topic of NFS, NFS Most Wanted (2005) on the Xbox 360 still looks great to this day because while they put a lot of detail into the game, especially for a 360 launch title, they didn't go overboard in trying to make the game look realistic and aging absolutely horribly and took a stylized approach to the game, having specular highlights on car paint be bigger than it'd be in real life, exaggerated particle effects, and the (in)famous color grading and bleach bypass filter

One of my favorite options is to combine 4x4 SSAA with 16x CSAA for a perfectly smooth, flicker free and sharp image.

Modern lcd is the problem, way i ferrior to CRT

Hey thanks for this comment. I have a developer resource on how to combat aliasing issues in games and improve AA quality. I hope you can give it a look and possibly contribute any sort of tips you might have that you think is missing: www.reddit.com/r/MotionClarity/s/S9t1LgQwgz

So you are saying that we get the modern slop purely because the devs are lazy to use proper techniques?

Ferdinand Habsburg for Kaiser?

POV: _* RTX died whilst escaping TAA_

@@locinolacolino1302 i am für den KAISER ! 🇩🇪🦅

Interesting, since I only operate 4k monitors the whole thing is something I never considered because in 4k you dont need ANY AA at all. I haven't found a game where it would be necessary. I cant see the difference honestly .

​@@Vanadium stop parroting crap from 10 years ago to self assure your sense of snobbery. That objectively isn't true for all games because not every game renders at native screen res first and foremost, and secondly there are shaders and post process effects that absolutely need AA to render in a way that is visually cohesive.

man I am convinced Fo4's TAA singlehandedly caused half the headaches i got around that time.

literally the same story here, that game is disgusting to look at without mods

That's how I felt about LCDs. Still do. I can't wait to dance on their grave when the technology is finally burried. CRTs illuminated pixels very briefly, just as the electron beam passed by. This meant perfect motion clarity as long as your framerate matched your refresh rate. On a constant illumination monitor like a typical LCD the image is stationary while your eyes move following something on the screen. This is caused persistence blur. If you take a 100 Hz 1440p monitor and focus on an object moving across the screen in 1 second it will move 26 pixels/frame. This means that your eyes move 26 pixels while the object is stationary, each frame. This means 26 pixels of linear blur. It's going to look like shit. It's not going to match the motion clarity of a CRT before it gets into the 1000 Hz range and even then there may just inherently be too much ghosting/inverse ghosting and other artifacts with LCDs to ever reasonably do that. At 500 Hz they don't really keep up. OLED can do this; the pixels switch very quickly and if you have the bandwidth you can crank out 1000 crisp frames per second without any ghosting or overdrive artifacts. MicroLED can do very high brightness for brief durations. Laser projectors are a bit of a wild card and might be able to do very high refresh rates.

@@soylentgreenb Holy shit, I'm so glad that it isn't just me.

I remember having headaches from TAA in Enderal (a Skyrim total conversion mod). Solution was to use both TAA and 4k, DSR option enabled in nvidia panel.

FXAA is just Fullscreen Anti-aliasing... which means it only works on the pixels shown on screen... not frame-by-frame... it is a very 'quick and dirty' solution, and the industry moved away from it as there wasn't much to be done with it anymore... but it is still useful for comparisons... "Temporal" in this sense refers to frame-by-frame in the Graphics pipeline, if we wanted a way to do FXAA "Temporally" here it would just end up looking like TAA just the same lol... the "Temporal" part is the problem, we could generate A PERFECT 2160p gameplay experience of anything but it might just take TOO LONG hahaha... anyway, in the words of the Protoss from Starcraft, "You Must Construct Additional Pylons" as really there is no way around this except more powerful GCards and/or CPUs

again, just to moan more about TAA x FXAA... The REASON the Gaming industry switched off from FXAA is because there was no way to imrpove it, and SUDDEN changes on screen meant that FXAA had no way to compete with TAA which could *already process frames before they were shown*

@@ItalicMaze Nope im talking about FXAA. Which is more than enough on a 1440p display.

@@ItalicMaze oh okay

@@Vifnis I always switch to FXAA on any game i install because it always looks better with better performance. As old as it might be, the new TAA and SSAO are just terrible in comparision. I don't think they are good substitutions.

What do you mean "the only option"? Deferred rendering is just a technique for rendering scenes, specifically for decoupling some operations away from scene geometry and frag shaders rendering on them. It's just that it provided very important benefits to performance due to the way how GPUs' fixed function hardware works, which still continues in a lot of games and tech. You can do deferred in DX9 as well (and on the original xbox, too).

That is true, much of this is the fault of deferred rendering being used simply because "it allows for more dynamic lights" to be used. Meanwhile, they ignore that fact that it rules out the ability to use a bunch of other AA techniques effectively... and the fact the fake (aka pre-baked) lighting and shadow techniques have already gotten to the point of being good enough (though not perfect) but much easier to run on older/weaker hardware. So in other words, it would really just be better to stick to old, but refined techniques... as it would allow for higher framerates instead and better performance on older/weaker hardware (which also helps the environment by keeping that hardware relevant instead of requiring users to upgrade shit) and also handheld gaming consoles (and smartphones) which have much stricter power constraints.

Its still a developer laziness problem, because theirs deferred rendered games with thin geometry that either have decent TAA or good non-temporal options, because they're not using generic engine defaults and they actually tweak it and analyze the image in motion.

baking lightmaps? oh man i havent heard of that since source engine

For me, I mostly solved the issue by using Dynamic Super Sampling (DSR Factors) in Nvidia control panel @ 1.5x resolution and 50% smoothness, and then combining that with DLSS Quality. It then doesn't cost much FPS, but it makes a MASSIVE difference in RDR2 specifically where I can then still have TAA on at a low setting. That 1.5x is because I'm already on 3440x1440. If you use 16:9 @ 1080p, then increase the DSR factor further.

😂 And your PC is nice and stable. Comfortable temps and everything is just coasting along?? Not a chance if you also have more than 70 frames. I don't know why folks like you try to use cope for RDR2's terrible TAA. And the whole thing about putting it on low, doesn't ease the issue. It introduces more. DRS is great. But then you said DLSS. Both of them together in RDR2 produces ghosting. And trees look terrible at night. DLSS in RDR2 is bad. No amount of cope can fix that@@elmhurstenglish5938

they still do that in source 2, quite based though @@mahuba2553

Yep, this is why I don't use TAA. Some newer games offer DLAA if you have an Nvidia card which usually looks quite a bit better.

Yeah when I use the anti aliasing in mhw they always make that game looks so shit that u needed to search in the community the perfect right settings on gpu to make that game looks sharp

So this problem only in pc games?

I think the same the best quality and detail for me is without any filter, althought i get aliasing it doesn't bother me

supersampling is best of both worlds... if your pc doesnt overheat and explode.

Yes, options. Devs just don't like to put effort(money) into it. But they really should. Players will choose for themselves what is preferable to them. I always disable motion blur. But sometimes I have to use some kind of AA. Glimmering in some games may be a huge issue. I tried to play first Shadow Warrior and it was just really bad. Really good AA is when you increase the resolution by 4x and then scale it down, which is really costing. TAA wins here 'cause it a much more "light". But blurry. And while sharpening may not be the best, it's better than without it. I play a lot of warframe and I've tried different settings, TAA with full sharpness is more nice to my eyes. P.S I've got some "easy to be tired" eyes. I can play some games 14 hours a day and be ok. But if it has glimmering, excessive blur, 30 fps(not 60), stuttering or something - 1 hour of it can destroy my will to play a game with a severe headache and eyestrain. So for me it's often not the choice "it looks prettier". It's "I won't die with migraine with these settings". And TAA helps. If my videocard is not good enough for better AA AND if it has sharpening. But I've seen only warframe to implement it. Other times I had to turn it on in nvidia drivers and it was somewhat ok. Really, if devs just try they can make blur really nice or make game not glimmer so much without it. P.P.S. I think that gta V has really good blur in games. I hate depth of field, motion blur etc, but in this game(and only) I even chose to to set it on.

You guys should jump on 4k. I dont see the difference on this resolution for anything AA related. So you never need to enable AA.

I've never minded jaggies. I hate anti-aliasing. There's only one sort I'm alright with, and that's FXAA.

You can use dlsstweaks to force DLAA in the game, or just use DLSS quality depending on the resolution.

ye, DLSS Q fixes blur.

theres MSAA and DLAA in RDR2

the TAA implementation on RDR2 is only half-decent on DX12 Vulkan's TAA looks like someone is smearing vaseline on my display

The problem with DLSS in RDR2 is Rockstar locked it to an ancient version of DLSS 2 so you have to hack it and forget about online if you want to upgrade the DLL to a newer much more capable version. It's the only game that I know of that I can't just drop in the latest nvngx_dlss.dll and be done with it .... I'm pretty much done with Rockstar and Take Two and their sh*tty business practices

Thank you

PS5 console still need TAA ? or is it just ps4 console era ?

@sergiovinicius2221 PS5 uses it alot but because games run at higher resolution than ps4 the muddyness will be less obvious. But games like marvel spiderman 2 in the visaul mode looks stunning but the performance mode looks more blurry. Performance modes in games make games look more muddy. I haven't been playing much games these past few years but GTA 5 enhanced does have that muddy look in performance RT mode but zero jaggies. But it's so nice to play gta 5 at 60fps and game still looks good despite it using TAA. TAA negative effects are less pronounced at higher resolution

it look like we are going backwards in graphics evolution yeah that's on point, it's like we are progressing back to 7 gen fidelity-wise

The higher the resolution, the less noticeable jaggies are thankfully. When I switched to 4K years ago, if a game didn't support real (non-post-processed) anti-aliasing like MSAA/SGSSAA or good old-fashioned brute force Super Sampling, I just turned AA off. TAA/FXAA just make everything look way too blurry. You hardly notice the jaggies, even now when I switched from 27" 4K monitor to playing on a 4K 65" OLED. Sure, it's a little more noticeable using the OLED, but that's because I only sit about 6 feet away, which is pretty close. It sucks though that if I wanna play my Series X or PS5 instead of PC, or are playing a shit console port on PC, that you can't usually turn AA off.

I think 4K was introduced to the general public much too soon. Displays can output to that resolution, but even for simple video streaming many people don't have adequate bandwidth, and for gaming the cards need radiators that take up a fraction of the case.

TAA off looks sharper LOL jagged isnt sharper

@@wallacesousuke1433 you're not that bright.

@@RequiemOfSolo jagged edges and shimmering are the exact opposite of sharp, dear brainlet

​@@wallacesousuke1433are you dumb or stupid

@@wallacesousuke1433 do you know what sharp means?

Oh and lazy developers relying on it to undersample and then literally just blur it back into existence, instead of actually optimising games and writing good code

Genuinely moronic thing to say. You know jack shit about graphics rendering.@@maixyt

Yeah well the main problem is most people don’t realize it’s a problem. They don’t know what’s causing this issue. Another thing that will become a large issue for people like me and you is the fact the modern game engines like UE5 are designed with technology like TAA in mind and basically all games on this engine use this method of AA to cover up all the artifacts caused by the new lighting solutions being pushed onto hardware that isn’t truly ready to handle it. So all the problematic lighting and effects are rendered at a low res and are being blurred for the sake of covering up the fact that your hardware can’t convincingly pull it off yet.

​@@maixyt no. The sad reality is that many expensive effects are greatly reliant on some temporal smoothing, and TAA is just that. GPUs are not efficient enough (especially with memory latency and with register counts) to allow for such features without introducing exceptionally harsh performance impacts. Some of these effects include: -PCSS -SSAO -Stochastic-opaque transparencies -Stochastic rough SSR or rough raytraced reflections -Volumetric fog/lighting and other kind of raymarched effects, especially with volumetric grids Do notice how all of these are reliant on large sample counts and/or large memory traversals. Devs aren't lazy, they simply cannot beat the inherent limitation of GPUs, and this is the only solution (especially on consoles) when the company/studio pressures them to make graphics as rich as possible. The sole reason why we have such large advancements in graphics tech as of late is because it became more affordable to implement due to TAA. "Pick your poison", so to speak

@@Kolyasisan I wasn't downplaying the role played by TAA within making graphical strides. However, I should've elaborated more on my use of "lazy", I wasn't referring to devs abilities to optimise these graphical techniques for all types of machines not just the latest and most performant hardware, because that would be really hard or outright impossible, especially with the size of dev teams resulting in extra communication time within a time limited scenario and the difficulty of integrating all of the graphical effects without any conflict resulting in unintended glitches or artifacting. I was referring to Step 0 within the process of creating anything, what is the scope? At it's core The Finals is a fun, action filled, fast paced shooter, with emphasis on the importance of being able to see quick moving enemies and items clearly (and invisible light classes). Why would I need the latest and most technologically advanced GFX which require highly performant hardware? There are perfectly good more 'traditional' rendering methods and effects which don't require temporal filters to work properly. Below I will list additional accounts of how I view modern devs "laziness". However I'm going to skip over things such as motion sickness, blurry and out of date information, and having the option to configure TAA values, in game, and The Finals already having the ability to turn off TAA from within the engine.ini file, and then blocking that config file while not giving an option to disable it in game, showing that turning off TAA is possible and works just fine (I did this for the closed beta), but blocking players access to it (yes I know that engine.ini was used for cheating exploit, but you can whitelist specific commands, as talked about by Hybred in a newer video of his). I would much rather HAVE THE OPTION to decide how the game looks or performs for myself, as in I would pick either 1:1 sampled effects or even undersampled effects over TAA being plastered on my screen any day. Also, there is absolutely no way that temporal effects can't be implemented to ONLY certain effects such as volumetric smoke. Picking out a few of the effects, you say that volumetric smoke, PCSS, and SSAO require temporal filters to hide undersampling artifacts? Then how come Watch Dogs 2 (which I've played through recently) with all of these effects doesn't force any type of AA let alone TAA on my entire screen? Yes there may be temporal effects used with those GFX but they DO NOT affect everything, and they are NOT just an overlay covering my entire screen. In my opinion this is what a well developed graphics system looks like, it's within the scope of the game being a thirdperson, moderately active shooter with elements of story, with graphical effects that not only look great but are also implemented well. It is also in collaboration with nVidia and very well documented if you want to search it up. Or even the Ghostrunner games, they look absolutely gorgeous while being one of the most fast faced genres out there, managing to stay away from TAA and any sort of AA for that matter, staying within the devs scope of aiblity and making the most of what they know and what is available to the dev team, enabling me to play with maxed settings while still enjoying the beautiful experience along with the fast paced combat. Now this is not what I consider a well DEVELOPED graphics system, this is what I consider a perfectly tasteful and skillful use of a limited number of the more traditional effects, to get something that looks graphically competitive with modern effects while also wiping the floor with the FPS achieved in comparison. Also also, I don't know much about alternative methods out there, but I am willing to place a substantial bet that there are much better solutions which are unfortunately being overlooked because TAA has become the easy to implement and established status quo. At it's basis my issues with the modernity of using TAA to fix issues introduced by undersampled effects, is that TAA isn't only a mediocre solution, but that it is forced upon players. I don't give a damn if my game looks jagged or the smoke looks a bit funky because it shimmers. I grew up on extremely limited hardware (GT730) which required going into config files (take for example Black Ops 3) to lower the settings further than the ingame menu allowed, I was playing at a resolution of 40% of 720p, aka 288p. This only made me more familiar with how tech works, and got me interested in optimisation and effective use of graphical effects. I would much rather have the option to customise the experience of any game for myself. Playing DayZ and Uncharted at maxed settings in so issue, because it's within the scope of the games, DayZ is a mostly slow - medium paced shooter, however since it's quite old it uses traditional techniques to the best of their abilities, even using volumetric lighting, resulting in a very playable ~130 average fps on maxed settings while looking beautiful. While Uncharted and singleplayer games alike such as God Of War, don't have much if any multiplayer interactions, therefore it is within the scope of the game to run them at ~60 fps with great visuals. And even then none of those rely on a full screen TAA filter to my knowledge. Finally, TAA just annoys me and I personally don't like the look of it, therefore, if there is ever an option I would prefer to turn it off, the issue comes when there isn't an option, and that is unfortunately becoming a standard. Why wouldn't you want to have a choice? If you're accepting TAA as the new standard, that's cool, but I'm not accepting it. TAA isn't the be all and end all solution, there's always a compromise or alternative.

You know to trust a commenter when he has a f*** google plus profile picture. Well said!

Yeah those PS2 graphics are really next level

This deferred rendering is the root cause here. It basicly allows easier way to scale up amount of light sources in scene but in reality, every game out there can be made with direct rendering pipeline. Engines can be written in way that each light source affect group of objects that are close enough and priorize them, and of course static lights in static objects can be precalculated to textures.

The deferred rendering tech demos back in the day were really misleading. Most game scenes don't actually feature a huge amount of tiny point lights, and light sources in games will almost always reach all the walls in a room. Lights IRL don't just affect small bubbles of space- they subtly spread out over very large distances.

Deferred rendering allows us to scale up the number of light sources, but that is only a single of the many benefits of a deferred lighting render pipeline. Forward lighting models mean that for each fragment / pixel on a geometry we do all the lighting computations on a single pass, so drawing geometry if it passes a basic depth test we do all the expensive lighting calculations. This is bad because geometry is not in order because sorting geometry is a CPU task and really slow and not at all cache optimized. In busy scenes this can mean that for just a pixel you end up running the lighting calculations anywhere from just once to over fifty times. Then consider that for all the lights you have a single run through the full lighting calculations means considering the contribution of every light and generally with an additive light model summing the results and then correcting in post processing. With a deferred model we still consider each light source, but we now have the guarantee that we only need to calculate lighting for each pixel/fragment once and only once, because we use the first pass for depth testing and doing simple drawing of all sorts of world data into different frame buffers, and on frame 1 we have all the data spatially localised and we have done the depth tests to make sure we are only doing a single correct lighting calculation for that pixel/fragment. Because we basically divided our work load into a tiny fraction of what it would be in a forward rendering pipeline, we actually have the time budget to put in any kind of decent graphics effects. Immediate rendering simply does not allow us to put the modern standards of graphic fidelity into games. MSAA isn't really visually "better" than other anti aliasing solutions. Deferred rendering doesn't mean games made with that pipeline be "blurry". It however make it way faster to do things like SSAO, SSR and layered transparency. Baked lighting is good, but does not work if you have moving light sources (This is most emissive light sources in modern games btw, think explosions, muzzle flash, swinging lamps, etc). It does not work if you have moving geometry (player models, cars, etc). It means that making changes to levels during development takes a lot of time unless you batch changes together to do a nightly bake or whatever, but either way it introduces dev ops complexity and often makes QA testing slower. It's a powerful tool but not a universal one. Also, MSAA is not "broken" or impossible in a deferred renderer, it's just not really worth doing because visually it has some pretty obvious shimmering that people like to forget about when getting nostalgic. You can use the world position gbuffer and do edge detection quite easily with a shader, then do a standard super sampling on the found interesting pixels/fragments. It's maybe slightly more time expensive than SMAA in a forward renderer but still cheap. But.. why bother adding it? It's added complexity for a mediocre antialiasing algorithm.

In RDR2 specifically I found it looks better with FSR on the highest quality setting and sharpening cranked to the max. That compensates for the blurriness, you still get AA (it's forced on when you turn on FSR), and you get better FPS as a bonus.

​@@256shadesofgreyYou should also enable RSR or DSR/DLDSR and use 1440p or 1620p as native resolution to have even less aliasing and blurryness. I don't know why but FSR looks better than DLSS on RDR II, I swear, not only looks better, I get more FP/s. Playing on an RTX 4070.

I use the upscaler mod with DLAA settings, still very blurry when turning the camera at 3440x1440, is DLAA just as bad as TAA when it comes to blurring?

its because by default in an engine like unreal engine for example, UE5 turns on FSR/DLSS(or another scaler) by default AND applies an aggressive TAA and their motion blur, it can all be disabled very easily but as more games are made with unreal as it gets more popular(like unity) we're going to see people keeping the default 70% scaling with taa on because they couldnt be bothered to disable it or just didnt know

@@HalbeargameZThank you. I'll look into that myself.

I turned off motion blur in mw2019 and it looked so bad for some reason, blur just makes everything more realistic

I always used to put graphics on ultra and then wonder why it looks more blurred than on medium. When I finally figured out it was TAA I started changing it to SMAA. Even though the edges of some objects are still slightly pixelated on SMAA the overall image is considerably sharper and easier to look at (you don't loose the detail). DLAA is the best though.

Here is a list of effects that I always turn off. They have little to no performace cost but greatly detract from the experience when turned on. 1. Bloom (if it''s too glowie) 2. Film Grain 3. Chromatic Aboration/ Lens Distortion 4. Motion Blur 5. Lens Effects/ Lens Flare 5. Vignetting 6. Depth of Field if implemented badly (LEGO Batman I'm lookin at you!) 7. Screen Effects such as Blood and Dirt All of these effects are only for making it feel as if you are watching a film. I never understood why they keep implementing Camera effects into games.

@@ScoutReaper-zn1rz Yeah, pretty much all post processing effects. They have little to no impact on performance but they make the game cinematic. Imo it's fine for an action game like DMC or something like that where they add to the overall "bling" but for an FPS where you have to focus on things on the screen it's distracting.

My eyes have been sorta opened. Well not really my eyes are kinda bad..

This was exactly me aswell !!!! Lol

Why not just disable AA if it bothers you?

@@potatofuryy i do, but in a lot of new games it literally isn't an option, thats the problem

@@gwyneveresnow5781for game like that it’s the developers fault for only optimizing for one platform (most likely console) then the pc port gets half assed most of the time. Tho ports have gotten better

Just posted one a few moments ago, its still marked as unlisted as I wait for it to process & create a thumbnail for it. So coming very soon, either later today or a few days from now

You still need a high refresh rate monitor to reduce sample & hold motion blur. Sample & hold blur is worse than TAA blur.

That's not how refreshrates work

a lot of effects actually need a non-native res buffer in order to not have to sample a ridiculous amount of times, i.e. you get the same effect doing a lower sample gaussian blur at a lower resolution and letting hardware bilinear filtering smoothen it out than doing it at native res and having to sample way more times for the blur to remain smooth

Well you’ve never experienced a game that doesn’t optimize for performance. So what you think is terrible optimization is more just not great optimization.

i have and it's not great

shimmering and aliasing is way worse than TAA also at higher resolutions TAA looks less blurry

@@luca4870 Like he said problem isn't existence of TAA but absence of any choice of other way to do AA. It isn't and shouldn't be TAA or no AA discussion. You must be too young to remember when games offered three or more AA options to choose from.

I'm pretty sure this is a UE5 problem. I used it on a few games and it kept crashing at first and then when I did get it running it didn't perform very well. Strange that engine runs like that. I've seen amazing presentations from that engine but compared to actually running games in it like Source 2 with Half Life Alyx and Counter Strike 2 I'm kind of disappointed with UE5 right now.

@@gorjy9610 Good comment. Another huge problem is that most people today don't understand the difference between _true_ AA (which _increases_ detail/accuracy) and fake AA (which decreases detail/accuracy). Therefore they believe that all antialiasing causes blur to one degree or another, which is of course false.

@@gorjy9610 I'm probably old enough to be your dad but devs don't put other AA methods because incompatibility issue and those old AA methods were so costly only people who had latest and greatest could use them anyway.

Yeah but the piss filter sucks. Besides that's it's great

Dragon age origins is straight uo better than 99% of games release in recent years. Absolute masterpiece

This! You are so right! Games, even in ridiculously low resolutions for today’s standards, used to look so clear and nice (i.e. the 2D eras of SNES and Mega Drive). Today we have crazy amounts of polygons, very high resolutions, incredible artists creating textures and environments, only to have it all become a blurry crappy mess due to the over usage of so many different types of “image enhancement” systems that even overlap each other. It’s ridiculous.

Use AMD's FidelityFx CAS at max, it's so good... i cannot play without it anymore.

if there’s one setting that i can confidently call useless, it’s definitely film grain

Even after removing all that in Warzone, once MW 3 integration happened on December 6th, even will all blur turned off it was very blurry and weird. Then i tried AMD's CAS, and omg everything looks way better, like even guns in your hand...

​@@fishfood8711I think the film grain is helpful to give better aspect to smooth flat texture: on Warzone (1), I think that some weapons, or the table on the gunsmith, were looking like plastic (way to smooth). But maybe I was using TAA, since they're telling in parameters that is really good.

Doom uses this too, and its is not noticeable at least. I only found out by getting a bug where the fov was incorrect, allowing me to see the culling on the edges of the screen. Unreal engine does end up 1 frame late on the culling it seems, so you get that frame of nothing before it shows up

Developers are desperate to make relatively cheap consoles appear much more capable than they really are :) Look kids, if you want to game in 4K at 120 FPS with high-res textures rendered at maximum detail then you're gonna need a $1,500 computer with a $2,000 graphics card and that's that. Nothing's free, especially not hardware!

this issue is the main reason why I avoid ue4 games, it's so fucking annoying

Pretty much every game uses some kind of occlusion culling technique; unloading stuff that the player can't see, it's just particularly aggressive in ue 4/5. I believe it's possible for the dev to tune it, but it seems the standard configuration makes it noticeable. It wouldn't be so bad if the background you see was a dark colour, on night or underground levels it's barely noticable. It wonder if it's possible to make a shader that always fills a negative space left by culling with a colour that blends in better.

@@irritablerodent Today's computer graphics hardware and software techniques are SOOO astonishingly brilliant it blows my mind. Technically and creatively it's such a mind-blowing art form and that's really all I can think of to say about it. The people that think this stuff up, and then conceive & then manufacture the hardware, write and debug the device drivers, and write, debug and implement the software to produce modern PC gaming graphics are absolute geniuses. It's 100% pure, distilled human GENIUS in addition to being an absolutely mind-bending amount of work. It's a shame that it's only major use is video games, which when you're honest with yourself about it, are mostly a waste of time. And, I *LIKE* gaming! :) I'll say straight-up that as far as massively time-consuming comfort-distractions go, it's probably better to waste your life on PC gaming than it is to waste it on heroin, for example. But, the people that made it all possible, especially with regards to graphics, are incredibly brilliant. Just pure concentrated human genius.

VR games in general* Specially on Skyrim VR, and if you use DLSS / DLAA... it's even worse.

Antialiasing isn't necessary as resolution increases. At 8K, without AA, you can't even see the jaggies even if you're looking.

@@WarningStrangerDanger yeah, but the angular resolution on VR is way too low

@@WarningStrangerDanger Yep, that's why DSR (Dynamic Super Sampling) is quite effective for this.

VR and a lot of post-processing effects just do not mix at all. the effects aren't designed to recreate real vision or accommodate the depth that comes with VR. So many Unreal Engine VR games look really bad due to this

I wonder who had the great idea of forcing TAA in Doom Eternal

It's for to waste more VRAM and force you to upgrade GPU. 😅😂

Run a modern title on Series S where some if not all textures cap at 2K mips, and compare it to a PC or Series X and full 4K. This is necessary for lower memory bandwidth, most importantly when a game is frequently streaming assets in and out. It's so much easier to move a 2-4mb 2K texture than it is to move a 25-35mb 4K texture. Esp when a FULLPBR asset at it's most optimized form may have at least 3 textures (albdo with colour information, normal map for bump information, and composite which stores ambient occlusion, roughness and metallic information inthe three RGB greyscale channels to reduce draw call). The difference between 2K and 4K visuall is night and day, especially if any text element was baked into a texture like artwork instead of a higher res decal sitting on top regardless of TAA. Source: I'm a first party developer for Microsoft Flight Simulator, and content we produce for Series S gets capped at 2K due to memory constraints.

It's for people like me. Where I disable the TAA and can enjoy a crispy game.

Advertising. Most people can’t tell the difference between 4K and 1080p and I’ve seen people call 720p images 4K.

Just use TAA + overrided sharpness = huge profit.

It's because you're using a 4k panel to run 1080p, if you run 1080p on 1080p panel, you wont need anti alias at all.

@@tharusmc9177 this makes no sense. 1080p to 4k is a perfect integer scaling, so 1080p signal should be identical. To take advantage of this, you need to use GPU scaling. Monitor scaling on the other hand will not use integer scaling and with it the picture will be blurred, so avoid it.

@@Shajirr_ yeah but most people don't use gpu scaling and yeah you're right about it not making sense, idk what I was thinking heh

2k + MSAA would be better..

The issue is theirs more stuff for MSAA to super sample so it got more expensive therefore it's not used. But if some people are super sampling anyways maybe they might as well bring it back? I know MSAA doesn't work well on certain effects either but I found a resource that worked around that issue but I can't remember the papers name. I'll have to look

MSAA can't effectively do it's thing in a deferred renderer (most game engines nowadays). You'll end up with a mismatch in the amount of samples for a given pixel between the geometry edges (however many AA samples you select, 2 ,4 or 8.) & the lighting since they're rendered in different passes which will look either very ugly or you match the samples in the lighting pass & give up a ton of performance (you'll be shading every affected pixel 2,4 or 8 times depending on the amount of samples). You can get around this however, but it's a lot of work & that'll only give you anti aliasing on geometry edges (which is the core reason it's defunct, it actually does next to nothing to actually solve modern aliasing problems which comes for the majority from shaders, not the geometry).

@@Hybred also GPUs nowadays aren't just built the same.. on the PS2 and X360 they had giant rasterizers and high bandwidth DRAM so overpowered you could do free MSAA or just abuse the fillrate to get an effect.. now we have barely enough bit width to feed the chip without undersampling things.

DSR is even more resource intensive than MSAA. On my 1080p monitor I find having to go 4x DSR for good results, which means the game is literally being rendered at 4k and downscaled down to 1080p. Too bad with my puny GPU I can only do this with really old or "oldschool grahics" games. And for games which only support borderless instead of true full screen, like Dread Templar, I have to change my desktop resolution to 4k first. But even top of the line GPUs these days don't seem to be expected to run modern AAA games at 4k natively, and I don't think there would be much point using DSR combined with FSR or DLSS...

MSAA doesnt work well with deffered rendering which almost all games use now

This has been a thing for, what, ten years? Unfortunately forcing MSAA simply doesn't work in many cases. I'd say most cases, but I haven't played AAA games in a while.

i almost always turn off bloom because it makes most games look worse. a little bloom is fine, but most games have too much bloom

They got a disable Anti Aliasing aswell.

At a high enough resolution, Warframe hardly needs AA in my opinion. I play without it. Very sharp overall.

Honestly in VR there are so many things at play that it's hard to point out a single culprit. If you're using something like air link to play a steam game we could be talking about the image being scaled two to three times, plys image reconstruction with spacewarp and so on

Most vr games try to not use taa precisely because of this and use async timewarp instead, which game are you thinking about ???

@@javiergimenez40 Skyrim uses taa

Thank you! It's been a while since I noticed many VR games in UE4/5 are a blurry mess even with super sampling. I just tried UE5, if you do a standard project (without lumen enabled) and enable VR, the TAA + some more settings make everything so bad. If you use their VR template, it's perfectly fine

I play a lot of Skyrim, which was pointed out already, uses TAA. However, a mod came out that allows for using DLAA. It is incredible on how it reduces jaggies without making a completely blurry mess. It requires a sharpener as well, but does a much better job than TAA (though does cost in performance).

Maybe a tiny bit, the big problem here is crappy Adaptive Tonemapping. Modern game devs just can NOT handle it properly, although I know older games with horrible adaptive tonemapping that date back to 2006 starting with Test Drive Unlimited (from my knowledge).

i remember the first time i encountered TAA and i hated it immediately and years later it's the predominant option and all the options that used to work fine have been phased out as developers get either lazier or hit extreme time constraints with design and optimisation or just a lack of care and education for render tech. it's no surprise that multi-sampling AA methods have gone the way of the dodo with how games today can barely even be rendered at native resolution. the funniest option i've seen in a couple games is TAA + FXAA which is effectively putting two blur filters on at once...

Im using MSAA over TAA in any game i can! If not, i rather turn off AA...

@@XenoX_98 Multisampling kinda fixes TAA too. In general I feel like PC gaming is lagging behind consoles which is why TAA is so bad here, many people still use FullHD monitors while current gen consoles are running at 4K or 4K Upscaled, which makes TAA look better.

@@XenoX_98Far Cry 4 was the last Far Cry game with MSAA, i remember when they moved to TAA in Far Cry 5 how awful the power lines looked unless I played on 4K, yeah it’s trash

ive been a fan of FXAA for years. i am equally as confused as you are as to why developers have slowly refused to include it in games. its fast and it gets the job done just fine. its the "its better than nothing and less stressful than msaa" option so its a no brainer.

fxaa is blurry, smaa is much better @@afaqahmed43

​@@afaqahmed43Probably have to do with its game engine?

Im almost certain this TAA stuff has been making our eyesight worse for years. Kinda wild we are just finding this out now.

@@lmAIoneI definitely think so as well. My eyesight has gotten so much worse since TAA was introduced, and I started getting horrible headaches from games whereas I never had issues before. Pure speculation on my part, but if I go back and play older games, I don’t have these issues.

ONLY if you game on a 1080p monitor though. And even then, you don't alleviate the problem because the resolution is greater. Once framerates go up, that moving image still maintains it's blur. If you're gaming at 1080p. Why do you think higher resolutions would look better than higher native resolution monitor's. You say it's all dramatically shifted your gaming experience. As if this problem just goes away because of DLDSR. Have you seen RDR2 run on a 4k screen with TAA on. And with DLDSR? If you haven't then i think you're not testing your understanding properly

Really? The only way I can get super sharp DSR on my 1080p monitor is with 4x DSR (rendering at 4k). Anything less winds up with annoying artifacts.

@@thewhyzer Did you try DLDSR? Its only available on rtx gpus because of the deep learning part making it look alot better

@@lukasderstecher4582 I only have a GTX GPU :)

@@thewhyzer Thats why it doesnt work as well. 2.25 DLDSR should be around the same quality as 4x DSR according to NVIDIA so your results seem accurate.

Making my PC screen size 1080p with the control panel menu was a good idea. I may as well say a 4K screen size is pointless since immersion is not always beneficial when gaming. its performance that matters more.

Because it's the only practical method that can handle spatial and temporal aliasing/noise without completely gutting performance. MSAA no longer works with the bulky lighting pipelines that modern games use and SMAA is only a spatial post-process AA filter that cannot handle the temporal aliasing/noise that modern games have. That leaves us with TAA which, yes, we could apply only to the problematic lighting or foliage components of the image and use spatial AA at the end to clean up the rest, but this only half solves the problem as you'd still end up with blurry and smeary lighting, foliage, animated textures, etc. Rather than _everything_ looking blurry in that RDR2 shot at the start of the video you'd instead have all foliage being blurry which is still bad.

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@@jcm2606 The solution to the problem is SMAAT2X. Not blurry and it fixes temporal aliasing. Great cost to quality ratio. I don't understand why they don't use it more, only a handful of games implemented it.