lol It looks like me at my absolute peak gameplay

oh great now i can hear Lethamyr saying "i'm gonna hold back here" "i'm gonna miss on purpose see what my teammate does" LOL

Yeah. If they were "throwing" they would have won the game.

If there's seeding, then there's sniping for a lower seed. There is no such thing as a "perfect" tournament format that is entertaining and reliable where this kind of stuff is impossible.

Or randomize the placement on the bracket each round? Could end up with bad rng like a #1 vs #2 but would erase this happening again. I think that doing this is more a matter of disrespect towards their current opponent. But losing on purpose for a certain bracket placement being a ban is kinda rough ngl. Literally what 90% of nba teams do right before playoffs lol.

its either seeds brackets or random, I think noone wants random brackets apart from the low seed teams

Alright Rizzo

For sure. the difference between pro level play and champ 1 level is like the difference between champ 1 and gold 1. If someone in champ 1 played like a gold 1 player for multiple series in a row you'd know something was up.

@@shortndeadly9977the difference between pro play and C1 and likely larger than between bronze 1 and c1. Pros are so far beyond even baseline SSL, and the higher you get the more each point of mmr means.

​@@shortndeadly9977difference between champ 1 and pro play is more like the same as a ssl and a dude who's never touched the game.

@@George-li1yvthat’s just not true

@@George-li1yv Yeah it was a thought, but nah.

It's a lot more difficult than you would imagine

@@jondoe384 I mean I throw every game and it’s not even on purpose so it can’t be that hard

@@jondoe384 well at least not make it as BLATANT as going for opposite side mid boost when there's a play headed your way, I get that making a team thats way below your skill rating score without obvious throwing is hard, but at least hide it a little... also those tweets... cmon there's lots of ways they could have thrown that wouldnt be as obvious, like use DS4 and remap bindings (instead of rebinding in game), mess with their internet to cause lag, mess with their display settings, sit in a weird position while playing, the list goes on...

​​@@___echo___I think them bumping each other was far more blatant

I think a group of ~16 year olds who are dumb enough to match fix and throw are not smart enough to make it convincing and get away with it lmao

The subs are not legit players are usually coaches / managers which are sometimes good but still not at the level of the players plus if the chemistry was off nobody wouldve suspected.

Some EU teams might just hire you for consulting 🤫😉

Wait he's cooking with this

But then the next game they play it would be very weird that the person who “needed” a sub just so happened to come back. I think they would get caught either way.

@@Miwok252 They travelled to Africa for low ping so it could be literally any travel related issue. My taxi driver took me to the wrong place or car broke down or a traffic accident stalled time.

Haha, don't overestimate me 🥳

Bro diamonds do that crap all the time don't cap

@@totaltrol They go for boost when they shouldn't all the time, yes, but they don't go for THAT boost in THAT situation.

I'm a diamond and I 100% agree that's not even a diamond move.. and not to mention the "not even having ballcam on" thing just makes it seem even more unbelievable.. any player would understand that.. going opposite as the last man is a suicide move.. doing so whilst not even looking at how the play unfolds is just straight up throwing.

Or even a Plat... Not that I would know or anything 😬

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even worse, they went all the way to SSA for good ping, just to lose all their prize money

Bunch of tards. Egotistical kids. That’s why it’s weird to me they’re gonna let the age drop and run the risk of younger, immature kids troll the scene.

@@Schoofsrl only lost earnings from the last regional. first 2 were legit

Any format the can incentivise a team to throw because they'll get rewarded by it (not including collusion) is a flawed format

The thing is they didn’t need to lose to qualify, nor would they be guaranteed a major spot by throwing, they just decided that they were the team most likely to actually beat Limitless in the quarter final (even though they got obliterated by them previously) and hence tried to snipe them. Don’t get me wrong, I still think this system has its flaws, but this incident wasn’t caused by one. It was caused by sheer stupidity.

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I exchanged replies with their coach and their other excuse is that Reeho's pc was bugging and the gpu was having problems😂😂😂

@@invis..weren’t they saying someone was playing on a laptop too lmao

The problem is they're vastly better than everyone else in SSA bar limitless. So they really had to throw to lose

You can absolutely blame them for throwing.

You can throw in any format. Psyonix didn't create cheating

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Young money ban

ok now this is funny af

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This isn’t bds vs kc with similar abilities…this is like a college team vs pro team…the pro team should win every time. They were destroying these teams with +100 ping then what they had the first two “regionals”

It's a fun idea in theory, but it wouldn't work. Trying to throw matches without making it obvious is probably more difficult than just winning outright, because players have such a good idea on what the obvious next move is, or how difficult something is to do. In Counter-Strike, you can just call a bad strat, lose your economy, and instantly toss four rounds while still trying your hardest. But it doesn't work in Rocket League, because of how reactionary the game is. All you can do is either intentionally rotating wrong, or whiffing touches, but good luck trying to do either without making it obvious.

Idk those opponents were WAY worse than these guys, I can imagine it'd be very hard to let goals in or not score. As we saw in the vid the dude literally had to score on accident. I saw another comment saying they should've let a substitute play and do really bad, that would've been a much better plan

@@PeksisarvinenI mean match fixing happens in real life all the time so I doubt it’d be impossible to get away with it in Rocket League.

High plat low diamond movement. Trust me... I know 😭

he said they would consider it. i.e they won't because they know they'll lose. fair play to them, there's no need too

Limitless would get destroyed 4-0 on the same ping

these things can happen in any sport/esport and with any format because all of them are exploitable in one way or another under specific circumstances just like in this case, so no, it's not really a system issue. Besides, at least in rl, match fixing is very rare and the admins have dealt with it properly every time so I don't think there's much that needs to be changed. And ymc's one year ban will set a precedent and most likely prevent this type of behaviour in the future

It's less about losing to qualify, it's about losing to knock out LL early enough cause no one else would apparently. If LL got past the quarters they qualify auto

​@@sipkzz well not any sport/eSports Only in ones where points are accumulated over multiple minor events in order to get to a major event. Besides, honestly, them throwing this series didn't mean they qualified for the major, it just meant they'd at least have a chance to qualify for it in their own hands. The number 2 team (sorry forgot their name) could have potentially lost against their intended opponent anyway but ymc would have to just hope that it happens.

​@@sipkzzthat's completely untrue 😂 did a PR rep say this? Is that why I keep seeing it repeated?

​@@Splozy name a format it's not true in.

It’s a good example of how international US culture and terminology is

We europeans have been subjected to a lot of judical US phrases over the last years thanks to a certain recent president.

⁠@@SmeagolTheGreatthat’s not the reason why 💀 US culture is just known world wide. Always has been

@@RatbaneYes and no. I wouldn't count most judicial phrases as a cultural phenomenon. The second amendment probably, yeah, since europe has been baffled by american gun nuts for decades now. But quite a few other phrases got more attention since people actually watch american news on youtube or other websites in english, as opposed to only hear about court cases via the TV or newspaper in their own language.

@@RatbaneIndeed. Americans are very interesting beings, well worth researching and observing. Mainly for entertainment purposes though.

Agreed - you can't fault the team doing what they need to in order to qualify. So long as that isn't doing something that is cheating that forces another team to lose unfairly. If the bracket allows for the optimal path to involve losing, then why would a team try to win?

Exactly, idk why people have trouble understanding this. Rules are not what dictates whether an action is immoral and it concerns me that so many in the community legitimately believe you're allowed to do anything that is technically not explicitly against the rules, even if the action directly conflicts with the spirit of competitive integrity.

@@SnakeThisLife except match fixing, ie losing IS in the rules lol

@@LieutenantMagoo by losing on purpose they put themselves in a position where they could beat limitless in the exact way that would allow them to make major. So yes, losing did in fact give them a chance to win, so stop acting stupid and use your big boy brain. Cheating is cheating, stop defending blatant cheaters, it’s sad and shows your lack of morals and intelligence On top of that, match fixing is deemed against the rules and is considered cheating by rlcs rules. It’s IN THE RULE BOOK. It’s consider immoral by any sport, because it is. Cheating isn’t just about not winning a game, it also has an affect on other teams. By losing a match you affect seeding, and seeding affects other teams, so thus it makes it cheating. If you somehow affect the internet of another player on a different team playing in a match you aren’t involved in, is that considered not cheating because it doesn’t help you win? Stop making an argument that doesn’t apply at all and face the facts. Intentionally losing to benefit you OR hurt someone else is intentionally cheating, all you people who disagree are just coping or don’t understand competitive integrity + can’t accept that RLCS rules actually matter They knew the rules and they broke them.

@@LieutenantMagoo plus as another argument. If match fixing, ie losing on purpose is allowed for ANY REASON, then what’s to stop teams from paying other teams to lose when they know they don’t have a chance to secure higher seeding? What’s to stop orgs and sponsers from doing the same? Why even watch RLCS anymore at that point since we would basically have NO IDEA who is throwing and who is not? Match throwing is a huge slippery slope into immoral behavior and a sport that is rigged. Boxing suffered from this for a long time, and WWE is nothing but scripted BS. Is that what you want RLCS to become? Cause we’re only a few small steps away from that if match throwing is allowed.

It makes sense to ban them because throwing is literally against the rules. Check the end of the vid.

@@wonderfulcrunchberries3926 I agree that breaking the rules should have consequences, and it makes sense to have rules against throwing. The more I hear about the situation, it gets more clear that banning them is the more reasonable move, to be clear. I just hate the idea that the bracket system we currently have would encourage such a thing. These guys got caught, but it would be so fucking easy to not get caught and abuse the system, especially when there's already outcry against the new changes and a bunch of weird talent shifting to get lost in. A more subtle throw would have gone under the radar, and even this goofy one is hard to prove with much certainty.

If you throw to win, are you really throwing? The format is just garbage and this situation proves it, banning them for maximizing their chances in a tournament that you created is just stupid. What is the lesson here? Figure out how to throw a game not as obviously? Just stupid...

Designing a tournament format that is entertaining, realiable, and where there's never an incentive for any team to lose is no small feat. If you find it, it should make for a succesful article on a scientific journal. Such scenarios occur in every sport, even if it's extremely uncommon. If there's seeding, then there's sniping for a lower seed. So the best the organizers can do is to punish it harshly when it's obvious enough

Agree with this, well said

lol? This isn’t right, they’ve legit done it before

They can see bind changes, your binds are saved to their servers when you change them. I.e. if you swap computers, laptops, etc. you keep the same binds. The binds are stored in their db.

​@@connorsnell9142no they saw whether for example the boost button was pressed, they probably didn't see which button the boost button was

@@varedz2695 yh that's how zen got banned back in the days (nwpo too probably)

They can see controller inputs. When Sypical’s controller kept not working on kickoff when he was on Faze, they confirmed that they were receiving input from his controller but it was not registering in the game. They are watching much more than you think

Ok i wont say steal because i get yea they lost but cmon if they loose and benefit thats part of the competitive scene why would they not? They won more than other teams who also had the chance to make it. If anyone had this chance why wouldn’t you? If they had the say to just ff the match before ig started anyone would.

If noone else could qualify why hold this tournament at all and just give it to limitless to begin with. Either I have a chance to take the spot or this tournament was a glorfied waste of everyone else's time.

And nowadays vs like 15/20 years ago

@@FSousA7X It's also easy to say "I wouldn't do that" when you aren't in the situation.

The worst part this is basically like an nfl team playing in the cfl

As bad as it seems, the rules for allowing it to happen is the real problem. It's bizarre that the tourney organisers didn't see this potentially happening

But, from Psyonix pov the "extortion of a minor region" isnt a problem. It was so obvious that this would happen. I agree that the format is psyonix fault, but the players are at fault for throwing games to have a better chance at the major

Absolutely psyonix/epic should never have allowed these new rules and now they’re paying the price

100% agree

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@@Migueliswashed. ty ❤️

I also don’t get how they couldn’t make the throw less obvious considering they have absolute car control, if I was in their position and had almost absolute car control, I’m playing normally but pinging the post and crossbar on any semi difficult shot while also struggling with any semi difficult save. how’d they think they’d get away with literal silver level play, man was out their failing to front flip…

Can you explain to me how the system rewards losing? I am unfamiliar with rl esports and curious to understand how this works out

@@ethawalli Their only shot to make the major was if another team lost early. So they lost to make it so they would have a chance to play and beat them early. Maybe the video explains it better.

@@reedclippings8991 that makes sense. Sad that it’s a strategy

Match throwing is cheating, and any kind of cheating is immoral and ruins the integrity of the game. If you’re at a Diamond shop, and the owner decides to take all the Diamonds out of their cases, unlock his shop, ask you to watch his shop and turns off his security cameras, you could argue you’re being “incentivized to steal”, but hey, why is that wrong? BECAUSE STEALING IS WRONG. Yes the format is a problem, but so is cheating, and any form of cheating (all of which are “incentivized” since cheating helps you win) are scummy and deserve swift, brutal punishment to discourage further cheating.

I could not agree with you more. If in order to win the war, I must lose than battle, then forget the battle and move on.

​@dansbigfanguitarist this was the exact thing going through my mind. You don't just do the wrong thing because it's easy to do, or you may not get caught, or whatever bs excuse there is. Rise's comments were frustrating to listen to. Like, I understand where they are coming from too, bro. They lack integrity, and are willing to act dishonestly for a favorable result. The format being bad does not justify your bad actions.

@@dansbigfanguitarist that's a terrible analogy

A lot of people lack integrity, and think that no one has integrity because of it.

Fr thought rise was cooler than that

There is a sever lack of shame nowadays. The thought of not being ashamed of myself for throwing this hard is disgusting. It's like all these social media 'influencers' embarrassing themselves in public everywhere with no hint of remorse.Utterly shameless. They don't care how stupid or pathetic they look as long as they gain 'clout' online. Not that any of them even understand what the word clout actually means.

@@__w__o__w__these are children attempting to throw a game of virtual car soccer to gain more money. Jesus christ it isn't that fucking big of a deal. They go banned and served their punishment lmao. Oh no they threw a game to attempt to potentially live out their dreams, like jesus christ grow up. You're throwing out all this extra bullshit that had nothing to do with the video since you cannot seem to cope over society doing what it always does. Change.

Virtue signaling on social media. Never thought I'd see the day. In all reality though: anyone who's lived more than a couple years on this Earth and spent any time "living", not in their bedroom 24/7 playing video games, has probably come to the realization that most people are willing to be dishonest in one way or another. And 99% of the people that do those things don't think they're a bad person either because of the mental gymnastics everyone does to justify their own actions and minimize the impact it has on others. These three 16 year old boys (kids) made a dumb decision that caused another team to win and to put themselves into the RLCS which is probably a dream of theirs. Even though they'd get there and probably not even win. Put your fucking pitch forks and torches down. They're children. Kids do dumb shit. Their brains aren't even fully developed yet. Do you know why you can't sign a legally binding contract until your 18? Because you have no life experience. You haven't touched the stove enough. At 18 you're still not even an adult but at that point you get thrown in the deep end to sink or swim and learn from your mistakes. I swear. Most of these comments are either from other children or overly critical adults who spent their teenage years being sheltered. Kids. Make. Bad. Decisions. It's what they do. Everyone calm down and stop going after their character as if they kicked a box of puppies and have no redeeming factors.

Basically if they just forfeited instead it'd be fine?

Rule book says no they cannot.... 4.3.2 Forfeits. Teams may not voluntarily forfeit a Match without prior authorization from Tournament Administrators. Notwithstanding the foregoing, even with such authorization, such Teams may be subject to disciplinary actions as further described in Section 8.3. @@dislexyc

Rule book says no.... 4.3.2 Forfeits. Teams may not voluntarily forfeit a Match without prior authorization from Tournament Administrators. Notwithstanding the foregoing, even with such authorization, such Teams may be subject to disciplinary actions as further described in Section 8.3. @@dislexyc

its always possible to do worse in order to ensure a specific outcome. it impossible to make a tournament where such a thing cant be done.

@@cru3her608 even if the outcome is better? You should be trying to win for the better outcome, not lose

@@lgbeatz2664 That's such a stupid fucking take. Just because it's possible to cheat doesn't mean that you have to cheat. They broke the rules of the competition, it is 100% their fault.

"I think there's a pov no one is considering, it shouldn't be possible to gain something from taking performance enhancing drugs. If it is, it's not on the person for taking drugs, it's on the sports federation for making it a possibility." Sounds idiotic doesn't it? There's a reason some ways of gaining an advantage are considered illegal.

Match throwing is cheating, and any kind of cheating is immoral and ruins the integrity of the game. If you’re at a Diamond shop, and the owner decides to take all the Diamonds out of their cases, unlock his shop, ask you to watch his shop and turns off his security cameras, you could argue you’re being “incentivized to steal”, but hey, why is that wrong? BECAUSE STEALING IS WRONG. Yes the format is a problem, but so is cheating, and any form of cheating (all of which are “incentivized” since cheating helps you win) are scummy and deserve swift, brutal punishment to discourage further cheating.

What they did was against the rules. Make your own tournament if you want teams to do stuff like this…

@@billyrussell8684 so you're telling me they're forced to win and take the L in the end? What a ridiculous rule😂

​@@christianwallace4940they were forced to win the first 2 regionals too. They didn't. Now their only option was to throw, which was clearly against the rules. The rule is to not throw, plain and simple. If you're good enough, you can make it to the major without breaking these rules. If they didn't want the L, they had a fair shot at it earlier. Additionally, two things can be true at once. The format is not the best for sure, and the players didn't uphold competitive integrity as well. Both can be at fault.

@amadeus5539 Fair point😁 I think both are at fault here for sure, I just understand the players trying to win in a way that isn't really blatant cheating imo. Like they're just trying to get a matchup against the team they need to lose, so their still trying to win, but want it to matter against opponents they need to beat

I agree on the nfl terms of it, it is a smart move. but where you're 100% wrong is rlcs rules, they're under no circumstances are allowed to throw these games, as it's a banned strat in the rules. Idc what the format iis they still cheated in this due to the rules set up.

wrong opinion, not cheating.

@@yourboi1842 i'm not throwing out an opinion. Its against the rules to throw games for an optimal matchup, therefore cheating.

@@SEMYASoto it’s against the rules to suck dick to make it in Hollywood but do you blame the actor or the director getting his dick sucked?

What system do you suggest, where losing can never benefit you?

​@@sparrowhawk_4Double elimination

@@hyenalg8748 You can deliberately drop to the lower bracket to try to knock out a rival earlier, same as what happened here

@@sparrowhawk_4 YMC seed 2 and limitless seed1 would not be able to meet each other until the upper bracket finals.

@@hyenalg8748 Not if one of them got upset and lost early, then the other could lose to go to the lower bracket and prevent them from making the grand finals. The point is that, pretty much whatever the format, it's very hard to avoid the possibility ever happening, given the number of events over all the different regions. That's why rules against throwing matches exist.

Also they play like me, and I have less than 100 hours. They can just wavedash/aerial. Their awareness is as bad as mine in these throws, though.

they weren't, it's been made very clear

I think anybody that is even somewhat close in skill level to these guys sees after a few minutes that there are just way too many obvious "mistakes". Im gc2 and im just baffled at how obvious they make it. They just went way overboard

@@alexandermeiering5216 I'm currently d3-c1 and this is super obviously throwing every game after game 1 in that first series. Positioning, random mechanical mistakes for no reason, botched pretty easy saves, multiple team bumps

Yea thing is the mistakes they was makin weren’t common anything above GC level, completely whiffing the ball, chasing their own teamtes etc

​@@sipkzzthat's why he said what if.

By throwing a swiss match they were trying to get seeded into the single elimination bracket to match up against limitless, so they could knock them out early in hopes of winning the qualifier and thus making it to the major over limitless

I don’t understand how they can be so bad at throwing though. Like flopping around, bumping your own team mates and missing diamond saves just seems so stupid to me.

how the fuck are you going to blame them for trying to lose, when losing is the most desirable result for them?

@@brandon7227Why do you think the best actors get paid so much money? Humans naturally suck at acting and making it believable