i'm technically plat (still not good but i'm learning) but i was with some silver teammates in a QP game recently and i swear this is true. the more you're fighting to keep them up, the more they decide they can stand in the open and get shot at while missing 75% of their shots. Then run at the enemy and away from you so you can't heal them. the dps in that match started flaming the mercy on our team for doing "too much damage boost and not enough heals" after he asked her the percentage and she said she was at 30% dmg boost so far. i thought he was gonna complain about not having blue beam, but no. the man was literally running at the team like this soldier was. dumbest thing i've ever witnessed. i normally don't flame ppl EVER (esp not in QP) but he was being extremely rude/toxic to my fellow support so i had to take it to the match chat so the whole enemy team could shit talk him.. it was mind baffling how someone could get so mad and be so stupid at the same time. (the other silver dps just minded their own business tho so they were fine). i can handle getting flamed myself if im playing poorly, but someone with a literal pebble for a brain insulting another teammate just drives me up the wall. anyway, that is my rant/experience with that particular silver player. i am done now sorry lmao

​@@no_i_dont_want_no_slugsoh wow im a plat 2 console support and usually have 40-60% blue beam usage whenever i play mercy and still feel like i need to damage boost more😂 complaining about 30 is impressive

​@@GiovannaMMIV30% is usually where I am unless the other support is Chad chaddington III

REAL

@@GiovannaMMIVat least in Plat they hit their shots , In Silver they be having 35% Helix Accuracy or smth like that

I think its because this use charges only to 50 and heals instead of 75

@@srivenkatsabbineni8957 often it’s better to heal to their 1 shot breakpoints by spamming 25 - 50 rather than try to 75 heal constantly, and then after breakpoints or when at a more comfortable health bar point then full charge 75

​@@Jamie_241definetly but this lifeweaver wasn't optimizing the healing when a teammate didn't get focused and still healed with 40-50 heals which is worse and also a good tip for him would be to throw preventive petal platform to in case you need it so you have 2 petal platforms if you get flanked in which he is lucky he wasnt

​@@srivenkatsabbineni8957I have no idea what your comment is trying to say lmao Before the buffs lifeweaver healed for 65 max charge instead of 75

That is the life of a weaver main in low elo lol. You pulled your ally to safety on top of petal at 5 hp to save them and heal them to full? NOPE.JPG. Theyre back in that fight after 1 50 hp heal and off the petal, blaming you for them dying 3 seconds later.

Exactly

He kept pulling his teammates out of danger, and they were like - no, I'm trying to feed here!

Classic example of trying to save silver players not being a reliable way to climb out of silver yourself. It's like you keep funding an idiot to invest your money in the stock market, doesn't matter how much money you get them if they always invest in poor yielding stocks, you aint getting a return on that investment. You gotta figure out how you can become the difference maker, and LW really isn't the answer here unless you go full yolo dps style (which requires mechanics and game sense far beyond what this guy is displaying). Better choice is to apply a soft dps playstyle but with Moira. Easy mechanics, easy escape options, fair mobility, high single-target pressure potential. Balanced heals when needed and is convenient. Best support to climb to Diamond with by far, and the main reason is that you aren't relying on healing idiots to achieve your core win condition.

​@@Real_MisterSirbased opinion. However expecting bronze to Plat players to understand how to climb out of low elo is stupid.

@@wonCB Yep there's a solid reason why the vast majority are unable to climb, despite there being ample coaching material freely available on youtube already that shows exactly what they would have to do to improve. Most just really do not care enough to genuinely try.

He belongs in gold - low plat with his performance. I was d1 and then decided to test lifeweaver out by playing him only for 50 games, de ranked to gold 1 cs of dps diffs usually and the game is too easy now

to add, I see a lot of Mercy's in lower ranks never Blue beam especially in Valk. Yes she is team dependent but she has more enabling utility than LW. Just wish more Mercy's knew that cause LW/Mercy can be deadly lol

@@funkycrawler619 i agree!! mercy is great at enabling, her dmg boost is strong! but when her team can’t take advantage of the dmg boost, you aren’t providing as much value as you could. in lower ranks, i noticed mercy players not using her dmg beam (when she should) as much despite it being one of the most valuable abilities of her kit. breaks my heart XD lifeweaver and mercy are one of my fav support comps, so fun

Controversially I think it’s possible to one trick mercy in low ranks and win. Down that low people don’t shoot at you. Honestly low rank mercy is a lot of heal botting and battle mercy, compared to high rank mercy which is blue beam and pocket. But it is possible to climb with her. But it’s definitely very hard to climb out of silver playing mercy the right way, and it’s easier to just play Moria and dps until about diamond. After diamond its- easier ish to play her right

While I agree that Mercy is probably the hardest character to climb with due to being very team-dependent, I've found that most Mercys never take advantage of their pistol, especially when they have infinite ammo during Valk.

This is why I think Ana and Bap are the hard carry supports. I mained Ana and made it from plat to masters. Took awhile but I wasn't exactly grinding the game lol.

Why before fights? Fights are pretty dynamic and having petal being locked to one spot seems super inconvenient. Especially if playing against say dive characters or an orisa.

if u need to replace it it will be able to be used again. If the original petal becomes useless, don't use it and replace it.@@RiderZer0

Sooo it's my team then because im still in bronze but I've learned all of these tips and I feel that I have decent-above average game knowledge and fundamentals

Climbed from Silver to Plat with LW too and I have to say in some games his damage is not bad. When you can use a good corner spot for choke spam you can poke or even pick off some enemies over long distance. Also you don't need to reload most of the times, since you auto reload when you use heal and vice versa

​@@strayzzfaxz6740if you watch enough of these videos, you will know it isn't your teams. it never is. you are making plenty of mistakes that are the reason you're in silver.

ive heard this a lot, and i think illari is gonna be another really good option for climbing out of low ranks for the same exact reason, big heals and big damage means lots of solo carry potential just depends on whether you want to aim or not ig

​@@ChmmrMoira is easier for bad people

@@Chmmrillari requires team play as pylon is static and her burst heal doesn’t have enough duration

Baptist is a way better choice for climbing. Of course you have to be able to hit some shots and have good game sense but if you can do it it's easy to climb to atleast low to high diamond or higher.

What surprises me is that nobody is mentioning ana. Yes she is harder to learn and to pull off. But when you get the mechanics and positioning down you skyrocket up the ranked ladder. Ana is one of the most impactfull and versatile supports in the game.

That doesn’t work ?

no it does not. thats why he has his fist pump aoe heal ability@@dfreeman251

​@dfreeman251 No, for some reason his heal bombs just don't effect him.

​@@andrewgreenberg1862 for what reason does it need to heal him? most supports can't heal themselves through their primary method of healing

​@@denny8422I think they mean it doesn't make sense in-universe that Bap's healing grenades can affect everyone other than him. from a gameplay perspective, it makes sense - just like Mercy can't beam herself, LW can't heal himself via his primary healing, etc - but from an in universe perspective, it doesn't make sense.

i went from Gold 5 to Bronze 3 just by playing Lifeweaver. 20k+ heals almost every match, half of those i get blamed for not healing enough. i went back to Zen and am slowly climbing back. i get way better teammates in quickplay. it's wild QP feels like old comp and current comp feels like playing with people who got lobotomized the decision making I've seen today made me want to kms

were all gonna make it @@ZenJestr

Goddamnit I didn't notice before 😂

yeah Bap or maybe even lucio would have been a better pick. The suicidal teammates that just run right back in after he pulls them is evident that the ability is going to be worthless.

@@Smokron What's Lucio going to do, help them run into enemy spawn 30% faster?

Genuinely, I don't think amy swap would have done much. Lucio would help them suicide faster, bap mightve but not certain, its just a loss that was bound to happen honestly

​@@charlesnojinson4760 That difference could have tipped the scale. They were literally a heal bot. If they had played Bap they would have gotten in some more damage. Mercy can make up for lost damage as well as res to keep a teamfight going. Brig gives good cover to the other support and can tank some for overagressice DPS + added burst damage to secure kill. Moira can use her heal orb to deal with chip damage so she has time to do some damage.

Exactly thats why it feel’s impossible to escape

Go in with at least one other person and don't play Saturday and Sunday it's so much easier

@@eachfilly825 what do two specific days of not to play have to do with this😂?

@@eachfilly825 I should say that I've peaked close to diamond on support prior to the new systems. I just have had issues re-climbing since the whole role reset rank era. I didn't play much then and as a result my support never climbed. Now climbing it from silver 5 where it was has been so much of a task I hadn't bothered till the new hero came out. The hardest part is knowing where and what I should be doing and watching my clueless teammates run in to feed nonstop regardless of the game mode. Classic you can lead a rein to a pylon but you can't make him stop poking his head out to blasted scenario.

Weekends tend to be casual fest cause kids are off school and a good portion of the job base has weekends off. And a lot of these ppl don’t play to hard grind so u tend to get even worst teammates in low ranks due to having less playtime than ppl who consistently grind throughout the week.

I disagree. You can really tell now when you are making a difference in the fight with your heals and repositoning abilities. It just annoying fi your teammates can't do what their suppose to.

@@funkycrawler619 He's in Silver. His teammates are in Silver. If he's expecting that he can just "do his job" and climb, it's gonna take a long time. LW has so little carry potential he's a terrible hero to play if you're feeling hardstuck.

Just because your in the same rank, doesn't mean you are the same skill level. He is obviously outperforming his teammates who are suppose to be in his rank. The matchmaking isn't fair by any means, and sometimes there are times you just can't do more.@@jasonreid9267

Been maining him only this season and he really does feel like you do alot, knowing you have control of your team by pulling them out of dumb situiations / insta death, massive ammounts of healing allowing your tank to tank like it's OW1, and then even just feeling like a parkour god when a geji dashes at you and you platform up then dash away into safety, wish people would actually learn / play him a bit as he's the most fun character I have ever played on OW in genral, and before it would have been bap or moira :)

@@jasonreid9267 agree with this massively, in silver 4 atm as I barely play ranked (only playing this season for LW golden gun) and on a 70% win rate and still silver 4, went 5-1 and went to 50% silver 4, then 5-3 and went 80% silver 4, idk if the game really rewards him in ranked for doing massive ammounts of healing but still i find that in games where the team are just not winning you have to either switch to carry or just try and heal bot the tank as much as you can or the person who is actually doing the most :)

this comment is really funny for some reason

That’s a really good strategy honestly, in Bronze/Silver you might as well play a support with good DPS and heals (Moira) if you know your DPS are bad (which they obviously are, it’s Bronze/Silver.) Cause LW relies too much on saving the teams mistakes but that’s pointless when they do the same mistake right after you pull them to safety lol

clever, added to my battleweaver toolkit

and another battleweaver is born, welcome friend

You cannot damage when your team is taking nonstop damage. Your DPS/Tank's damage output is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than yours. Risking a DPS or tank death to take pot shots just isn't worth it in low ranks. If you want to do that, you did it on bap or zen who heal and damage at the same time. If this guy's team actually wasn't sprinting full speed into the enemy I would be inclined to agree with you, but he just doesn't have any time to do damage. The devs need to fix the time to swap from weapon to weapon on LW because it's actually pretty long

@@AarPlays Doing damage is more than just taking pot shots. If you are shooting from an off angle and are doing at least some damage to the enemy, then the enemy is forced to turn towards you and shoot you instead of your teammates. This takes pressure off of them and makes it so you don’t need to heal them constantly. His platform can create a quick different angle while still allowing you to be safe. You don’t even need to secure kills. Just distracting the enemy does a lot. They might waste cooldowns trying to get the pick and might then ignore your teammates who are shooting them from the other angle.

There are days where I win games with him and those where I lose but playing lifeweaver is legit fun cuz you get to save teammate from the brink of death

@@baby-galaxy-dino9456 Did you watch hte video Emong posted? You get to *try to* save your teammate. They're just going to walk back into the torb lava.

@@TheRusty Nuh uh

@@TheRusty I’m literally replying with my own personal experience about me playing lifeweaver, not the video

That's how I play LW. Being able to rapidly switch between DPS and Heal with Quick Swap is a Godsend. And Shift Dash is the only way to play LW, imo. With Shift Dash, you can Jump Combo with it for extra distance, which I do all the time. With Double Jump Dash, you can't because you have to Jump to initiate Dash so you can't Jump out of Dash for extra distance. Also, having an immediate Dash instead of having to Jump first can be the difference between avoiding a shot and getting hit by said shot. Also also, Petal on Shift just feels weird to me. I much prefer it on Right Click. I'm surprised you haven't met other LW players who use the Original Controls for him. The vast majority of players, when the revamped Control Scheme was released, still opted to keep the Original Control Scheme for the above mentioned reasons. So good on you for playing him "right."

i use manual switch too xD@@ForeverDegenerate i use right click to dash like tracer blink, pull is on shift like hog hook, q for manual switch and e for petal, ctrl for ult. this scheme but do have a major flaw, atleast for me, ie, can't put petal down when you are charging up your healing blossoms. able to put petal down when firing damage, but for heals, it just cancels the heals without putting the petal down. have died a few times cause of this. and actually i prefered the og og control scheme, iirc, in that its like the revamped scheme but dash having its own button, ie, can shoot damage with the button itself instead of manual swapping and using left click itself to shoot as is now. hope this statement is understandable. the old on release scheme was like the hybrid of current revamped scheme and manual switch scheme, which was my preference xD

@@nugudave if you're using manual swap, what's your value of the option "secondary fire cancels primary fire when using manual swap" in hero settings? Just change it to "off")

it was "on"@@user-ph4cw9nq1u changed it to "off" now and it worked. thank you very much.

wow, I didn't know there were such options. I swap heal and damage by left/right click holding, and double jump to dash. I'll try to unlearn my default control brain (i have 15 hours on him i think)

You absolutely can carry on support

You can carry as SUPPORT, much harder to carry as healer. Unfortunately even with his buffs, LW lacks a lot of play making potential. Especially in this lobby, which felt like he was constantly trying to postpone the inevitable because boy did his teammates feed

You can easily carry games as support. Problem is Lifeweaver is built to be a healer primarily and thus cannot carry at all.

You can definitely carry as LW in terms of sustain but that assumes your teammates are doing what they are suppose to be doing. It does seem he was playing optimally here and really can't be blamed for the most part.@@karamei

@@azseal2669literally can play Ana or Bap and weave dmg in between heals. you can easily carry on support

where should lw be positioned then /gen? his hitbox is quite large and hes easy to hit so when i play i find myself positioned behind things where my team is still in los. what kinda pos would be better?

Def

my guess is that the mech would appear wherever baby Dva ends up. the life grip would just delay the remech, not cancel it entirely. my basis for this guess is that there's a dva tech you can do where you jump off high ground but initiate the remech right before you do. you'll land on the ground but be teleported up to the high ground in mech because that's where you initiated the remech. so I imagine the life grip would just move the remech with the baby dva. but I'm not an expert and I don't know for sure.

I feel the same and am in a very similar situation. I played Weaver during my placements but I couldn't carry my bronze teammates enough so I got placed in silver 5. I think you need to play a more impactful support that can dps like Illari, Ana, or Moira to climb, then swap back to Weaver once you get to high gold/low plat. Healbotting bad teammates just isn't enough in most low rank games.

Yea I agree lol the Match making is so messy now.

But don't go full dps heal or tank as needed

this guy gets it

In what sense? Throwing games?

​@@TheShapingSicknesspeople legit just don't play him correctly.

Nah life weaver is very playable now and actually very good with some supports like Ana, bap and illari

I hate when ppl talk out of their ass life weaver is decent rn and is better than he was when they released him

@@jackief03 exactly hes a main support so he can't just slot in with every support pairing but if you pair him with an already good flex support like the ana bap and illari he enables them now instead of hindering them like he did on launch

@@jackief03listen to the words you’re saying. You’re talking about LW with the words “decent” and “better than he was”. That does not mean he’s great or viable. If I’m talking about bap, mercy or ana Im saying they are strong characters and great picks for most team comps. I’m not going to choose a “decent” character if I’m trying to rank up I’m going to choose great ones

@@uhohhhhstinky3428 one you just named mercy along side bap and ana as if shes just as strong as they are. 2 ranking up is mainly just about improving your fundamentals not picking the best characters and comps until around high diamond and above. 3 life weaver is more than decent now he bas a lot of carry potential with his raw healing output and ult which is actually really good right now.