This Single Board Computer is Faster than a Mac Mini AND a Raspberry Pi
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Күн бұрынThis single-board computer integrates a 12-core processor, fast memory with in-band ECC support, lots of expandability, and even an integrated Arduino controller with GPIO pins. That makes the LattePanda Sigma a step beyond the Apple Mac Mini M2 (and M1) and in another stratosphere than a Raspberry Pi. This is interesting not just for the #Homelab but also those building edge applications that need a faster CPU and GPU on a SBC.
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Timestamps
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00:00 Introduction
01:55 Hardware Overview
07:54 Intel Core i5-1340P Performance
09:05 Power Consumption and Noise
11:06 Key Lessons Learned So much I/O and Performance
11:40 Arduino Support
12:30 In-band ECC Support
14:23 Wrap-up
@MichaelBransonCoach Жыл бұрын
It costs more than 15x the price of a pi here so as a pi comparison it's pretty useless because price was its defining point. As a powerful SBC, it'd work in some niches where cost isn't as much as an issue.
@lmidnight Жыл бұрын
Definitely not a realistic raspberry pi alternative because of this. The initial draw of the pi for most people is the price point. Full stop.
@Elkarlo77 Жыл бұрын
It's about 8x the Price of a Pi 4 8GB. For that you get 2 NVME Slots, 2 additional M2 slots, lot of performance. And the GPIO you may need as a Edge Server. This is a Raspberry Pi turned serious for Commercial use. And for that the price is okey, especially as there is a 32GB Version out there with the inline ECC Feature it is a perfect board for Running in a Commercial Manufacturing Machine, or the Homelab Server. Personally i can say that the Performance of a Pi 4 8GB is okey, but in lot scenarios you run into Performance Problems at some point and one Slot is taken by the USB to SSD Card, as SD Cards tend to die and so on. I have several Pi but the big one i used had to be replaced by an old AMD ITX Board with an A10-7850k on it, as the Desktop Performance was lacking. Now i got a USB to GPIO and can use the old RS232 of the board.
@jttech44 Жыл бұрын
It's a realistic point of comparison because the Pi is both hard to obtain, and really struggles to produce a performant environment for modern computing. Don't get me wrong, it's cool and low power, but, the guys running entire homelabs on them are masochists.
@alexatkin Жыл бұрын
@@jttech44 How is it a trash title? He didn't say it was a Pi alternative, the fact he said its faster than Mac Mini should make it obvious its not remotely in the same price bracket and the comparison is based on it not being much bigger than a Pi, not the price. If you need a fast PC that includes GPIO, its a very compelling device. Its quite clear the title is comparing how much power you get in the physical size, not the cost. Your car comparison would only make sense if the cars physically were a similar size.
@d3xbot Жыл бұрын
You can get a Latte Panda. That's doing way better than looking for Raspberry Pis where I am. I've been on rpilocator a few times a week for the past month and none of the vendors where I am have them. Especially not the 8 GB models. Obtainable vs unobtanium (or scalper prices)... I'll go with the panda
@davocc2405 Жыл бұрын
$579 USD for the base model of 16gig and no SSD, it's not cheap. Interesting for niche applications I guess, personally I'd prefer an AMD chip were I going this route.
@0xKruzr Жыл бұрын
I can't think of anything else with this feature set and form-factor that's cheaper though. that is a TON of I/O with a new CPU on that board.
@davocc2405 Жыл бұрын
@@0xKruzr it is a niche product but you are going to see near peer hardware that can match a fair bit of it and arguably many implementations are unnecessarily obsessed with that SFF or SBC configuration. I can see perhaps some implementations that may benefit but the cooling is going to be something that is of concern in hostile environments potentially. I am all for these solutions but they do face a fair bit of competition if the architecture options are a bit open.
@Brom-gaming Жыл бұрын
I'm right there with you I recently got a Beelink mini pc with a 5800h and 16GB of ram and a 500gb drive for $300 if you want a small computer for performance not features.
@0xKruzr Жыл бұрын
@@davocc2405 tbh I'm not really all about the form-factor -- my needs are "10GbE+ networking and plenty of room for NVMe/SSD," pretty much anything that fits that bill I'll be interested in, but the form-factor is nice because I'm pretty limited on space at home
@jondadon3741 Жыл бұрын
He means for the use cases and having ecc memory and it being a small form factor
@fwiler Жыл бұрын
Finally! Someone using the pcie lanes. So tired of 1 m.2 and no TB4 single board computers. Lots of other connections you can do with m.2 too like to 5 sata ssd's to make a tiny and fast storage server.
@lllongreen 9 ай бұрын
Problem is that ALL of these m.2 to sata are very unstable and just very bad reliability in general. People loose data with them under Truenas, Linux etc
@Kirkland-rv5jf Жыл бұрын
For me the pricing is making this a niche product. If we were talking $200 or less this would change the landscape completely. When you can get a more powerful mini PC for less and be able to upgrade the memory. I already own a arduino. That was the attraction with the first couple of SBC. Compact, cheap and powerful. I'm not sure it's any of these
@Alpine_flo92002 9 ай бұрын
This is actually quite cheap for what it is. People tend to ignore the overall tech price increases in high end devices and the fact that inflation is a thing
@christophrechtlehner 9 ай бұрын
200$ is an insane price to ask for and comparable mini PCs cost at least several hundred dollar more than the sigma. The cost of the individual parts alone would exceed 200$. Building a device with a mini PC and an Arduino would also increase weight and size by several hundred percent. And why would the market about you personally already owning an Arduino? Just because you don't know the possible use cases doesn't make this a niche product.
@Solista670 9 ай бұрын
The more look at the Sigma, the more I like it but i dont need it :) Its positioning is not clear. It could be a great desktop computer with enough horse power.... but for it does not have a case (unless you do 3D printing...). For a router / industrial computer we could have less power but would prefer something passive-cooled and more sturdy. Integrated Arduino -- this is an outdated chip -- moreover I miss the value of having it integrated...this is not how we develop microcontroller projects. All still could be fine if the price is adequate --- unfortunately it is not. Additional note - the barebone version comes without the Wifi card, which also means no Bluetooth.
@Kirkland-rv5jf 9 ай бұрын
@Solista670 I completely agree. You could get a ryzen 5 mini pc for this money. If you want a low wattage, you could go for an even cheaper n95.
@audas 8 ай бұрын
@@Alpine_flo92002 It is being sold for $1500.00 in Australia. Its absurdly priced. (Exchange puts it at around $800-$900) So yeah - shove it.
@dreamvisionary Жыл бұрын
I don't think comparing it against either a Mac Mini or a Raspberry Pi is a good comparison. The former is a complete system and the later is significantly cheaper and smaller. I'm sure that it has its niche market, but I don't think it is the same one as either of the aforementioned.
@djkuhl 9 ай бұрын
Such a strange claim to superiority, too. They're using Cinebench scores, which for their multi-core tests are heavily weighted on OpenGL graphics tests. Any real performance test would throw that on a GPU using Vulkan or Metal with way higher performance. ServeTheHome's website Geekbench scores have the Sigma 25% SLOWER in single-core performance and only 6% faster multi-core performance than a Mac Mini M2. 12 Intel cores can barely beat 8 Apple cores? x86 is showing it's age, and servers are the place where its shining the least.
@marsrocket Жыл бұрын
At that price it had better be faster than a raspberry pi. But most uses for an SBC are not looking for speed; size and power consumption is what’s important.
@suminshizzles6951 4 ай бұрын
Indeed. For a lot of people who just use the net for light surfing and buying a few things or watching a few videos's the rasp pis are good enough and consume next to no power. I am contemplating switching mine on more often because i spend a lot of time on my main just using lower power apps which the pi could do. KZfaq does not need a 400 watt RTX 3060 and a ryzen 5 5500@3.5
@Dygear Жыл бұрын
The ATmega32U4 is a tiny chip. 32 KB self-programming Flash program memory, 2.5 KB SRAM, 1 KB EEPROM. Putting an RP2040 on there would make a massive difference. I'd really like to see one of the IO pins tied to the Reboot and Power button on the computer so the chip could control the computer meaning that while the board has power, it always runs the "Co-processor" chip of the RP2040.
@clausdk6299 Жыл бұрын
Funny! I actually replaced all my raspberry pi's with 1 single small pc.. I think its powered by a AMD 8 core CPU. It's running proxmox and the best part is that it use less power than the 3 RPI's i had. Also love you can passthrough the usb ports to the VM and LXC.
@Airbag888 Жыл бұрын
Give us some specs and actual power measurement idle and load?
@joshxwho Жыл бұрын
Vfio is a massive rabbithole. Goodluck friend, you're in for a treat :D
@clausdk6299 Жыл бұрын
hahah @@joshxwho I know right!! On the good side... USB passthrough works without that :D
@clausdk6299 Жыл бұрын
@@Airbag888 @Airbag888 Can't post pictures here.. but use about 10-15 watts idle(10-20% cpu usage). It use about 45 watts with full load(never really reach this with normal usage) . It's important to say you have to enable the cpu freq scaling, otherwise it will just run at full power. You can also do a few things in the bios to make it even better.
@Airbag888 Жыл бұрын
@@clausdk6299 but what cpu, motherboard etc?
@DS-pk4eh Жыл бұрын
Faster than MacMini in multicore score by 2% but slower in the same benchmark in single core by 15%? By definition, that means its a slower.
@jacquesdupontd Ай бұрын
And with bigger consumption and fan noise so this review is totally unfair
@JackRussell021 Жыл бұрын
I have one of these. For me, I wanted a SBC that could drive 4 monitors, was very low power, and have a modern processor. In terms of computation, I needed it to be able to smoothly stream video (which a Pi just couldn't really do well - that was the upper limit for what a Pi4 could do, really). I should caution - when I ordered mine, it shipped from China, so it took a little while to get here.
@thisisreallyme3130 Жыл бұрын
A 2012 Mac Mini is 4x the speed of a 2023 Raspberry Pi 4, but uses just 2x the power (and has better power management). Those unsupported minis can be patched for newer macOS, or run ubuntu. While a mini isn’t fanless, they are over engineered for quiet especially if you swap in an SSD.
@taskforce_kerim 9 ай бұрын
This is a fantastic point.
@nagi603 Жыл бұрын
My biggest issue with it is the integrated memory... I was considering it as a massive upgrade from a 3B+, but will probably go with a recent tiny/mini/micro instead, at about 2/3 the cost of this.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Жыл бұрын
Very fair.
@EirikurHallgrimsson 10 ай бұрын
You'll love the tinyminimicros. I wound up using one of the more recent models as my (this) desktop workstation--it's massive overkill for most server tasks.
@MrPipDarty 11 ай бұрын
DIY Arcade cabinet makers dream right there! Built in arduino for running lights, actuators, scoreboards, coin-ops, interactive peripherals, the possibilities are endless!
@ziggo0 Жыл бұрын
Mobile processers winding up on desktop or rack boards has been one of the best things ever.
@dadscanplay2 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this SBC! Just made little project with my son. We got Lattepanda Sigma+ Rtx 3060Ti + few extras and put everything in a vintage radio case. Boom !!! It's so cool that I have strat recieving ordes for such a custom little PC's or fancy looking mid range gaming platform. Works flowlesly. Great video by the way.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Жыл бұрын
Wow! So cool!
@DS-pk4eh Жыл бұрын
Would like AMD 7840U or HS model there. Look at the scores that CPU has. EDIT: Just followed the link on AliExpress. Its 709£ for version with 16Gb ram and 500Gb of SSD. A miniPC with AMD Ryzen 7940HS (that tops those graphs for most of the part) with 16Gb ram and 1Tb SSD is 555£. Dimensions (mm): 120*110 vs 102x146 for Sigma. If you do not need specifically board that has PIO connector, but just small computer, I think its very easy choice.
@EDATEC Жыл бұрын
Interesting! Looking forward for more introductions of application scenes！
@playeronthebeat Жыл бұрын
Instead of one or two TB4 port, I'd love to see PCIe. This looks like a damn cool NAS PC if it had the additional expandability. Sure, one could probably get M.2 adapters but... yeah. On the other hand this could very well be used as a media center and small home server. Especially the size makes it really good as a clusterable PC running redundant apps. The SIM slot is also a feature, I love. Due to some power outtages, I encounter in my flat, it'd be cool to be notified. This can very well be achieved by just powering this maschine for long enough to send a messaage over cellular and notify me. Currently, the price is a bit high for my liking. Especially with the ZimaBoard existing. But I'll keep it in my head and maybe I'll buy one.
@dtaggartofRTD Жыл бұрын
for those edge devices that need a boatload of computing power. It's a neat little device. definitely fills a radically different niche than the pi.
@lurick Жыл бұрын
I like the idea, not 100% sold on it still but it's not bad by any means and I still remember when the first Raspberry Pi came out, crazy how far we've come in that short time!
@CMDRunematti Жыл бұрын
i kinda disagree. the raspi was meant to be a cheap learning device. this is basically just an intel nuc not made by intel. the raspi was 60 euros when it came out, this is over 600 and not even ARM, but an offtheshelf intel chip. it does have some fun features like GPIO, but shouldnt that just be an expansion card? hell i see GPIO just be over a usb dongle
@WSS_the_OG Жыл бұрын
Great review. This thing isn't cheap, and so while the price makes sense for the performance on offer compared with the (very difficult these days) RPi, it puts it in a very different place buyer wise. P.S. You're the only person I've encountered who pronounces arduino as a four syllable word (for me, it's just three syllables).
@bunnymaid Жыл бұрын
You always seem so cheerful playing with new toys!
@marcfruchtman9473 Жыл бұрын
Very Nice. Thanks for the review.
@suminshizzles6951 4 ай бұрын
My rasp pi sits there and waits for the day my main computer dies. That is its function. It does not sit there and do tasks. Well, i guess waiting is a task in itself.
@memediatek Жыл бұрын
The onboard Arduino could possibly be reprogrammed to act as a custom keyboard on the gpio which could make this extremely useful for niche simulation communities such as train simulation. Having dedicated buttons for things is much better a normal keyboard
@jttech44 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking more "ultimate barcade king"
@SnakebitSTI 10 ай бұрын
Just get a separate microcontroller board and make a custom USB device. That way you can use your custom controller with any computer.
@Bianchi77 11 ай бұрын
Nice video, well done,thanks for sharing it with us :)
@BryceNow Жыл бұрын
Awesome hardware! I would love to see more affordable options with the same form factor! any plans on doing a video on one of the N5105/N6005 boards that have sprung up in popularity recently? I'm trying to find something with that form factor but with a little more power. Thank you for your reviews they are always super detailed and a massive contribution to the community!
@ServeTheHomeVideo Жыл бұрын
I think we have done a lot of N5105/ N6005 reviews over the past year. We are now working on the N100/N200 and the N305. We should have a N305 fanless 4x 2.5GbE video in a week or two as it is just being edited now.
@BryceNow Жыл бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo thank you for your reply! I’ll be looking forward to those new reviews :) Sorry I was being unclear, I’m talking more about motherboards that would fit into an itx case to be used with multiple HDDs as a NAS/Proxmox home server not an aio mini computer. Something like the Topton itx motherboard but with a little more processing headroom.
@diglyph Жыл бұрын
Same processor as the latest Framework laptops. Would be an interesting comparison given you can buy their main boards and run them as an SBC. Though I think they are limited to DDR4 unless you get the upcoming Ryzen version.
@HimanshuGhadigaonkar 9 ай бұрын
Yeah Framework sells the compute unit with a similar use case to this.. but the cost of that is significantly higher... im not sure if the compute unit price is including SSD or not..
@gotflute123 9 ай бұрын
@@HimanshuGhadigaonkar "significantly higher"? I don't know if I would say that... $668.00 for this on Amazon vs $549 on sale from framework for 12th Gen (plus RAM and storage, yes).... they are also blowing out their older mainboards right now, starting at $199....?
@andrewcrook6444 Жыл бұрын
Interesting your M2 Mac Mini performance figures seem to be lower than I have seen by quite amount.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Жыл бұрын
The M2 Pro is faster. These systems are all sitting on camera now
@mark4asp 9 ай бұрын
Love the bit where he holds it up so everyone can listen to "how quiet it is", but the background music continues to play!!
@msys3367 Жыл бұрын
I think some are missing the point when they think that a small x86 board is some kind alternative to a Arduino or RPi.
@Demopans5990 Жыл бұрын
At the end, you are running some form of Linux, only this time, you have the bigger x86 ecosystem to play with
@alexandre.leites Жыл бұрын
I wish you include encoding performance with your reviews of minipcs. I really would like to know how these tiny machines handle some OBS encoding and if the newest ones are viable as a second pc OBS encoder.
@coolParadigms Ай бұрын
Thanks!Single board computers are really great! By the way even with fan cooling vertical positions are much better! Please have a look to understand why!
@blahblahblahblah2933 Жыл бұрын
Whatever else can be said, they got it right with all the IO options.
@silverywingsagain Жыл бұрын
I absolutely would not feel comfortable using the GPIO on this device with a breadboard. With an RPi, if I make a mistake and short something and it blows up, I'm out $35, no big deal. For $700 though? I would probably put kapton tape over that GPIO just to avert tragedy.
@blahblahblahblah2933 Жыл бұрын
@@silverywingsagain Yeah, I would be more comfortable using a USB -> parallel IO or if I did use the GPIO I would optically isolate everything.
@jttech44 Жыл бұрын
Really wish it had at least a 4x pcie slot. I've been hunting for one to see if I can hack together a dead nas I have that has a very servicable chassis. Something like this would be ideal. OS agnostic, plenty of NVME capability, and a 4x slot would mean plenty of capability for a modest mini truenas box
@TheBusinessMindset_ 3 ай бұрын
The fact that it's Intel killed it for me. If anything, go support projected like the Rock5 model B. It's got an RK3588 chip which is a much more fair comparison price wise but it absolutely blows the performance out of the water. With prism client, you can play Minecraft at 60+ fps (granted GPU is a bit weak) but the CPU is where it shines. Using the community version of Ubuntu desktop, its got full 3d acceleration and you won't notice that there is an arm CPU powering it. It's that fast.
@justbubba4373 Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see that used with some of those Coral accelerators in the wifi slot or even multiple in the nvme slots. It seems like the perfect form factor for that kind of thing.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Жыл бұрын
I think that is exactly the idea
@HarshvardhanVarma Жыл бұрын
This will be like the ML Renaissance
@winnieRallycar Жыл бұрын
Oh! “… See STH content…”! I just spend 3 minutes trying to find out what CSTH was! Hahaha
@AaronALAI Жыл бұрын
This looks ideal for a project I've been thinking about, thanks for the great overview!!
@euphanasia210 5 ай бұрын
The price is expected and this thing is very impressive, although this is an entirely different class of Single board computers.
@toomanybeans999 Жыл бұрын
Just found this channel. insta subbed after watching 4 hours of this kinda content
@ServeTheHomeVideo Жыл бұрын
Ha! Wow! I do not think my wife could watch me that long
@Kingramze Жыл бұрын
It's got everything but the kitchen sink. The kitchen sink being a 16x PCIe slot. lol. I think it's closer to a mini-ITX board than a standard miniPC or Pi, but I love it - except the cost. Truly innovative design, and a great find, though. Just not for me for my use cases - yet.
@TravisHershberger Жыл бұрын
Interesting concept, but more expensive than a good used computer + arduino.
@Micromation Жыл бұрын
Unlikely if Thunderbolt is a feature you're after. Even these second hand minipc workstations ramp up in price when TB4 is involved since it wasn't implemented until last few generations of hardware which is still pricey. It's not a bad SBC but yea, you do pay premium for size and features.
@tyaty Жыл бұрын
@@Micromation It is a sidegarde of a NUC 13 Pro kit.
@yumri4 Жыл бұрын
@@tyaty Little better graphics little better power efficiency but not much else. The NUC 13 also didn't come with thunderbolt 4. The 2 use cases i can think of that this will be the best choice for is if you need Thunderbolt 4 and/or USB4 but not much else the other is if you want a Arduino devlopment board to speed up devlopment time time. Having the physical chip on the PCB will help solve hardware problems not in the Arduino emulated environment. Outside of those 2 use cases any of the other mini PCs STH has reviewed would be better than this. You just might need to also have a NAS for storage with them as limited storage is an issue with most mini PCs.
@tyaty Жыл бұрын
@@yumri4 Every NUC 13 has TB4, it is just not always highlighted in their spec sheet. Value wise the Sigma on par with a NUC kit for general use. It is pretty versatile compact development board, which has the performance of typical mid-range laptop.
@stalbaum Жыл бұрын
I have questioned adding Arduino as a coprocessor to PC hardware, such as with udoo boards. You can always plug an Arduino into a USB port and have the same thing. But you *can not* remove a coprocessor from the motherboard. And what if you biff it, let the smoke out of the coprocessor? Yeah it is hard to to with an Arduino, has a lot of nets, electrically speaking, and range from $3 to $50... So why build it onto the board?
@egyptian316 9 ай бұрын
Ha ha ha this machine is faster than my PC. Sounds like it's almost Upgrade Time again!
@i_Kruti 11 ай бұрын
as a student who do a lot of Arduino projects , I think it's a good PC with in-built ARDUINO , but the only concerning thing is that we can't upgrade the onboard memory.....!!!☹
@LimbaZero Жыл бұрын
That looked nice but with more flexibility would have been additional Artix7 or some new small FPGA that have hard PCIe block. That ATMega32U4 is nice for basic IO like SPI, direct pin handling, etc. ATmega can provide 5V IO. With SAMD series ARM or STM32 it forces you to 3.3V IO and with FPGA it's from 1.2 to 3.3v. Was there some old prototype hacking laptop that had Spartan 6 for external custom IO:s and it was connected with PCIe to main CPU.
@alfblack2 Жыл бұрын
Awsome. This would be my perfect car computer.
@kelownatechkid Жыл бұрын
This is a great product, the amount of IO looks perfect for a Ceph user. three of these with a few Optanes + 2.5gig switch? awesome.
@0xKruzr Жыл бұрын
was just thinking exactly this. what a perfect all-NVMe Proxmox node. hell, you can bump the Ethernet to 10G for $125.
@duvioletautourdesyeux 8 ай бұрын
@@0xKruzrWhat do you use for 10Gb at this price ?
@o0shad0oo Жыл бұрын
Orange Pi 5 is significantly faster than a Raspberry Pi 4, is a lot less expensive than this monster (though admittedly slower), and (more importantly, at least for me) pulls only a little more power than the RPi4, which means you can hang several off a fairly cheap PoE setup for remote power.
@schrodingerscat1863 Жыл бұрын
As you say, for most people low power and inexpensive are the primary concerns with SBCs, this thing is like someone getting a laptop motherboard and adding on a DC power jack. Insanely expensive too for what it is. There are plenty of PicoATX boards way cheaper than this with more comparable features.
@ArjanvanVught Жыл бұрын
Pretty easy being faster than a Raspberry Pi board. The original goal for the Raspberry Pi board is being an educational tool. Not being a daily driver. However, the foundation has changed to being very commercial minded and is trying to make the Raspberry Pi board faster.....
@5speedfatty 5 ай бұрын
ive looked over a lot of the reviews on this, and everyone that mentions the Arduino misses one really obvious use case for it.... you turn around and Flash Adalight to it, and then you have an SBC that can control your Ambilight set up with no extra hardware... supposing you are putting this thing behind a monitor already, its the perfect addon for that task
@kojack57 Жыл бұрын
Nice. As cool as ARM chips are you still can't beat the horse power of an x86 chip and those 11th gen mobile (Tiger Lake) chips are indeed very impressive. Shame about Rocket Lake.
@CESAR_H_ARIAS Жыл бұрын
Nice SBC, super expensive but performace is really there
@EcksGamer Жыл бұрын
For myself what i would do is build a small case out of wood that i would have set for the case 3 80mm fans and also i would get the EXP GDC TH3P4G3 eGPU enclosure slap on it as well a RTX 4060 (Or RTX 4050 if that ever comes out) with a 400w PSU that i would also use to power my 1tb 2.5" SSD and the good thing about that enclosure it gives you the option to power the SBC while using the GPU at the same time which i would have a nice little gaming PC setup for my living room.
@alldecentnamestaken Жыл бұрын
I have some interesting ideas for an NVR built with one of these.
@quademasters249 Жыл бұрын
You have to really need that form-factor to spend that kind of money. That's twice what I spent for a Xeon power HP workstation with the same performance and with a GPU. I love the form factor but think it's priced outside what most people will pay.
@senspartech3533 Жыл бұрын
I love it, but Im kind of torn on the price. Im sure some will think its "too" expensive, but I think its price is probably pretty reflective of what is actually there and sits well in the market. BUT! When Im faced with actually going and making a purchase, and faced with the actual choices.. Im not so sure I would go with the LattePanda Sigma. I would probably end up going with a used enterprise MiniPC with something like a 10700T or some rPis for less money. I love what they did though, all the same.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Жыл бұрын
A big part of it is the Core i5-1340p costs well over $300 alone. Add RAM and all of the motherboard bits and the pricing is pretty much in line
@senspartech3533 Жыл бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yeah, I think the price is pretty decent. Id go even further and say its a good deal for what is there, when considering the GPIO, PCIe, etc. However, if it came to actually making a purchase, Im not sure I would ever end up with one. It doesnt have a place in my projects or deployments that would justify the cost. That said, depending on how the ECC side of things work, I could see this really taking off for something like TrueNAS. Where the market for hardware is just.. not great. Thats an area where I definitely could see myself making a purchase, depending on how well it actually works in that application.
@dougmasters4561 8 ай бұрын
'This single board computer is faster than a mac mini AND a raspberry pi' 'This automobile is faster than a toyota corolla AND a pair of rollerblades'
@Enigma8750 6 ай бұрын
Great show STH
@ServeTheHomeVideo 6 ай бұрын
Thanks
@JelliedInfant Жыл бұрын
I would have liked to see what is available in the BIOS. The original Lattepanda BIOS was useless to the end-user.
@LGB-FJB Жыл бұрын
I like the idea, but price is a bit high for what you get. I'd take a used 1L PC or a minisforum PC and save a few hundred dollars.
@GustavoMsTrashCan Жыл бұрын
I was about to call this video a "clickbait" until I saw this 9:53 And damn... 7 watts is really low indeed!
@Bob-of-Zoid Жыл бұрын
Wow did they cram a lot of stuff in that small of a package! I remember getting a VIA Epia X86 PC half the size back in the late 90's, and it ran Windows XP no problem, Linux even better. Strangely they didn't do to well with their boards, and now don't have consumer offerings anymore, but rather do manufacturing system automation hardware and software systems, but they were way ahead of the game back then, and could have competed with Intel and AMD with their processors given a little more time!
@gentlemanbirdlake Жыл бұрын
are there 3.5 drive mount points on that chassis?
@ewenchan1239 Жыл бұрын
Four things: 1) The cost of entry for this is somewhat prohibitive given that I can get a more performant mini PC, often times, for less. (But of course, those mini PCs doesn't have the GPIO connector, which I guess, defeats the purpose of getting said mini PC over this.) 2) It would have been interesting to see some application benchmarks, if you were to say, run the Puget System's Adobe benchmark and compare the results from this SBC to your Mac Mini M2. 3) I wished that there was an AMD version of this (because the AMD processors are faster and/or more power efficient). 4) When the price comes down, I can envision Smart TVs ditching the lame Snapdragon or whatever ARM processor that they're using, and putting one of these things in said Smart TV instead. It will drive the cost of said smart TV up, but it will also make said smart TV SIGNIFICANTLY more capable then the crappy "computer" that's in smart TVs today. (Our Samsung QN90A TV can't play 2160p movies with DTS:X audio WITHOUT having my Plex Media Server transcode said audio down to PCM or something like that, just so that said TV would be able to then play said video. And the problem that I run into with that is that AUDIO ONLY transcoding is VERY slow. There's GPU acceleration for the VIDEO (AND audio) transcoding, but there's NO audio transcoding acceleration available. As a result, I'm using a mini PC to run/drive the TV (which defeats the whole point and purpose of having a smart TV in the first place, but you can't get new, big, "dumb" TVs nowadays), and the mini PC is able to play said 2160p movie with DTS:X audio.) But if a smart TV uses this LattePanda Sigma (or something VERY similar), then said smart TV won't have this problem anymore.
@erinc4703 9 ай бұрын
oh that looks so slick
@Lee-gr2sd Жыл бұрын
I hope someone will talk more about the SIM slot. It's something that's crucial to my application
@yumri4 Жыл бұрын
To me it sounds like they took 2 computers of 1 IoT board and 1 small PC and put them onto the same PCB. Sounds like an reads like a good way to do devlopment for anything using or compatible with the ATmega32U4 Arduino layout and chip. Outside of a board that is both for the devlopment of the IoT Arduino board and a full desktop it sounds like a standard miniPC that most consumers would get and not notice anything different from a prebuilt but the price and the missing case. As 4 USB type-A ports is enough for most and the 2 Type-C ports for when the hardware requires type-c not type-a it is a very good little machine. Just i wish there was a case for it. Over time dust will collect no matter what you do so having a case would be a good thing. Also to prevent accidental touches from other objects that might have a static discharge that might kill a competent or the entire board. All put together the 32GB RAM with a the Wifi AX module is 630USD at cheapest then you will need the M.2 drive and OS so effectively 800USD to 900 USD for the 32GB RAM version. As the 16GB with AX module and 500GB M.2 drive is only 648USD but without an OS installed. Windows basically adds 100USD for a retail copy and 1TB is basically needed unless you also have a NAS and/or another computer to store files onto. Project files can get pretty big. More so if you save versions of the same project file so to be able to back track while in the devlopment of what you are doing process.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Жыл бұрын
I agree on the case
@TannarThompson 10 ай бұрын
certainly overkill for what my needs are. but very cool to see such power in something so small
@stevenj5387 Жыл бұрын
Very nice mini server.. Price comparable to Intel 13 series NUC's - but here You have 3 M.2 slots for SSD (2 with 4 PCI lanes, 1 limited to only 1 PCI lane) where in modern small Intel NUC's You have usually only 1 (sometime second SATA only)
@aliancemd Жыл бұрын
It is very expensive, you should really need that small form factor. i3-N305 fanless PCs can be found for ~240 euros - not latest gen but probably more appropriate for this form factor. Just did a quick search and a mini PC with this processor can be found for 2/3 the price of this.
@nonarKitten 9 ай бұрын
Beats a Mac Mini M2? No. Comparable sure. Beats? No. Not as fast AND more expensive. Wow, what a deal. More expensive than Apple. That's a statement...
@toniferic-tech8733 9 ай бұрын
Looking to move from Mac Mini to Linux. Could this be a good replacement? It all comes down to how fast it can transcode 4K video in kdenlive… and 64GB RAM would make sense.
@merlin7766 8 ай бұрын
Look at the Khadas Mind, I have one and it is awesome.
@brianmcgovern6119 Жыл бұрын
For the price, it'll need to not only do Windows, but the dishes.
@post-leftluddite Жыл бұрын
Hey. STH should check out some of the embedded Ryzen boards
@ServeTheHomeVideo Жыл бұрын
I have been lobbying for a new EPYC 3000 update :-/
@thedanyesful Жыл бұрын
Looks like a neat offering! Motherboards, and especially x86 motherboards can be relatively high failure rate even from known good manufacturers - so my question is: What's the support and RMA process like?
@user-yl8po9by5u 11 ай бұрын
I am suspect of this claim. There are some very bad RISC makers out there
@aaroncatolico7550 Жыл бұрын
*And it's also a lot more expensive than the Raspberry Pi, too.*
@hankhulator5007 Жыл бұрын
Hi, I'm far from being convinced because for the same price (~$625 for the 16 GB RAM version) you can buy 3 NanoPC-T6 16 GB RAM using a RK3588 processor, which will suck 3 times less Watts when pushed to 100% that you can unite in a Beowulf cluster - of course, this would make a different beast but the processing power would be close to equivalent (3×4 hi-perf cores + 3×4 budget-perf).
@ServeTheHomeVideo Жыл бұрын
Usually RK3588 is about 25-30% the performance of an i5-1340P and uses around 1/3-1/4 the power of these. I think the last board we looked at was 13-13.5W. So you can get three RK3588 but then you also need a switch so they end up using more power and you have to manage three machines and clustering software instead of one larger node.
@hankhulator5007 Жыл бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Well, usually the switch is already there, so we can say it is out of the power equation, this leave us with 3 machines eating around 7.5 W @ 100% and if I had to build that, I'd boot them on the network to minimize the management. This is a comparison that could be interesting. Yep, I'm falling for RISC, because the power consumption is out of reach of the x86 world. May be because of the ARM "new policy" we'll also see interesting things coming from RISC-V in the years to come, who knows :)
@ehsnils Жыл бұрын
The Arduino would be great to use to take care of collecting data from a Dallas 1-wire bus filled with DS18B20 sensors.
@74357175 Жыл бұрын
So competitive with the fanless systems, if you don't mind having a fan?
@avi1sh Жыл бұрын
wonder, why just one sata. put 4, and the perfect thing for DIY NAS
@SB-qm5wg Жыл бұрын
I wish SBC manufacturers would integrate snap-in RAM chip sockets like the 70s-90s. They had it right the 1st time and I get jealous watching retro channels switch out components in seconds instead of needing tweezers, heat-gun, flux, etc etc
@user-tk1or8ki2i Жыл бұрын
Interesting is it possible to control whole board from arm side? If yes it will be something like IPMI, thats really cool :)
@michaelau5159 9 ай бұрын
I would have liked to see if you run PF Sense and/or OPNsense on this.
@isbestlizard Жыл бұрын
How many cameras can be attached? Does it have MIPI interfaces?
@Pelessaria Жыл бұрын
I was pretty up to the Board when i first saw it, 16gigs of memory is just not enought for me.
@unicaller1 Жыл бұрын
Intel NUC with same CPU is far cheaper, sure it doesn't have some of the SBC features but many buyers won't use them anyway.
@michaelfragrances 9 ай бұрын
Video cards have become mini-PCs, this is expected😅
@JazzTechie Жыл бұрын
I’ve written plenty of software that talks to Arduino but none of it needs this kind of juice on the computer side of things. An idea is probably going to hit me at random one day lol. Maybe some signage running on three 4K monitors surrounded by mechanical stuff that’s controlled via arduino pins lol
@etimacias Жыл бұрын
Looks like an awesome platform! Do you know how LattePanda treated their previous boards if it comes to updating the BIOS? Is it like chinese vendors - you get what you buy and no upgrades? I also wish they also made a Core i3-1315U as a cheaper alternative with lower power consumption for a price of 2 p-cores. That would be a good platform for remote PoE uses.
@merlin7766 8 ай бұрын
Do not touch Latte Panda, you have been warned. Any issues with this platform and you are left high and dry. I can tell you from first hand experience.
@SeaJay_Oceans Жыл бұрын
Does this mini PC come with an IO Shield for easy install into a mini ITX case ?
@zipp4everyone263 Жыл бұрын
This seems cool and the video is great but... What would you actually use it for? Demos are nice but if you could use it as a platform for something cool then users could more easily see the usecases.
@RaanDohmSchitt 9 ай бұрын
this costs 6 times more than RPi and consumes 4 times more power. Why the hell are you comparing them? just because both are SBCs? that's ignorance. their sizes are from different classes, their scope of release is almost completely different. they are just 2 different things built on a single board...
@LA-MJ Жыл бұрын
Is it possible/wise to get some sort of 4x10Gbps TB attachment and convert this into a home router?
@mahmoudshoib8609 Жыл бұрын
Does it support any kind of Out-of-band management? like remote KVM?
@pixelfloyd 11 ай бұрын
Tempting but... there's definitely a chance you might need more than 32 GB of RAM within the next year or so, especially if your projects are resource-intensive, like say running GPT models. It's sure is neat though.
@JeremyTaylorNZ Жыл бұрын
when you give us a brief listen to the unit’s fans, could ya maybe kill the background muzac?
@mofoq Жыл бұрын
interesting.....wonder if in-band ECC option is something with Raptor Lake and if other motherboard manufacturers will enable it in their BIOSes 🤔
@ServeTheHomeVideo Жыл бұрын
Some do like ASRock Industrial on some of their new NUCs
@caver38 Жыл бұрын
But how long will it last ( as long as MAC products ??) Also is it upgradeable ? There are many other PCs around the wortld which are more upgradable and easy to maintain
@redtails Жыл бұрын
really cool board, though for this kind of money, you can probably just build an i5 desktop pc with a similar tdp main chip