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This Tiny GPU Packs Some SERIOUS Power!!! - RTX 4000 Ada Generation SFF Review
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Small form factor GPUs are a thing of the past. These days, GPUs are pushing 4 slots tall, and like Pontiac in the 90s, it seems wider is better. The RTX 4000 Ada Generation SFF is a professional card that challenges every concept of what makes a graphics card worth buying, and crams it all into a half height, half length package that draws only 70W of power. This thing is absolutely insane, and delivers unmatched power/L in your system.
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@darkace256 7 ай бұрын
A price to performance comparison of the RTX 4000 and the new 4060 low profile would be interesting.
@NunoAlmeida-sh9ru 7 ай бұрын
there is a 4060 low profile ?
@viewer-of-content 7 ай бұрын
@@NunoAlmeida-sh9ru GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4060 OC Low Profile 8G Graphics Card, 3X WINDFORCE Fans, 8GB 128-bit GDDR6, GV-N4060OC-8GL Video Card
@dyhchang 7 ай бұрын
@@NunoAlmeida-sh9ru yeah, Gigabyte RTX 4060 OC Low Profile 8G. The RTX 4000 Ada Generation has more VRAM and uses the RTX 4070 gpu chip with lower clocks, lower memory bandwidth/bus width, and less power. @darkace256 In this video we have the RTX 3070 performance comparison, where it scores -15% on Graphics. However on the 3dmark Fire Strike database it shows other computers with much higher scores, so your overclocking headroom may vary it seems.
@Spreadie 7 ай бұрын
@@NunoAlmeida-sh9ru yup, I bought one for my uSFF rig.
@smashpro1 7 ай бұрын
@@NunoAlmeida-sh9ru Yeah, but it does need an 8 pin power connector, instead of getting all its power from the PCIe slot.
@Teksers 7 ай бұрын
Great performance. In about 3 years I'll be able to afford and buy one. I hope that SFF cards will be more frequent in the future not just for workstation cards buty also consumer. For cunsumer right now we only have the RTX 4060 from Gigabyte and no one else and that needs 4 pin power.
@noth606 3 ай бұрын
Would be fun to have that sort of options, but there is no market for higher end SFF consumer GPU's really, at least not enough to support competition in it. Consumers have no reason generally to fork out a premium to go for SFF in particular not if it is actively cooled which makes it louder. Aside from SFF enthusiasts but that is a very niche market split even smaller if you take out the HTPC guys who'll go for passively cooled lower spec cards since they don't need it to do 3D stuff really. I don't think the LP 4060 is a money maker even as the only card in it's bracket.
@ChrisPkmn 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for reviewing these! I love seeing a gpu get outclassed by a lower power draw, more vram, and better performance - to me that is what progress is all about
@Maisonier 7 ай бұрын
Could you include some numbers on image generation with Stable Diffusion, running an LLM, Blender, along with a graph showing the relationship between power consumption and results for this GPU, please? Excellent video, as always.
@Wirenfeldt1990 7 ай бұрын
[Angrily shakes fist] I settled for the 4060 LP personally Edit: i kinda wish you had used a 4060 for comparison instead, but, 🤷
@mikeymaiku 6 ай бұрын
lol better than me, im stuck between deciding if i use a new case, but forces me to use either a a2000 6gb or a rtx 3050. since they are the only cards i own that fit my sub 215mm gpu requirement.
@MrFoof82 7 ай бұрын
Around 3060 to 3060 Ti performance for 70W is actually interesting, depending on what folks want them for. I assume they come with full height brackets as well? They'll be interesting to see what they fetch on the used market in a few years, and what the 5000-series SFF will bring in 2025.
@justinpatterson5291 7 ай бұрын
36GB GDDR7 and the performance of a 3070 ti 😅
@samiraperi467 7 ай бұрын
@@justinpatterson529136? That would be weird. 32 seems more likely.
@HeyNavi 7 ай бұрын
@@justinpatterson5291 there’s actually someone on Reddit that has made a power mod for the 4000 sff that makes it a slightly overclock 3070ti. They’re also working on a copper cooler mod for this and I’ve talked to him about and I plan to get these two mods installed onto my card once it’s finalized. So far I’m loving the sff Ada but I’d really like the 3070ti performance since that’s actually the card side graded from
@Enonymouse_ 7 ай бұрын
There will be no 5000 series, Nvidia is scrapping that branding.
@justinpatterson5291 7 ай бұрын
@@HeyNavi I'm all for SFX PCs. Love the tiny form factor and twice or more now, nvidia has proved you dont need a massive card to get good performance.
@MattVickers 7 ай бұрын
My take home from this is that desktop cards use obscene amounts of power and we need efficiency regulations
@Bob_Smith19 7 ай бұрын
No, we do not need efficiency regulations. Governments screw up everything they touch. Especially in the US. Just look at modern washers and dishwashers. Both of them are more “efficient” but neither one cleans as well as older models leading to multiple run cycles which negates the efficiency gains. Let the market work itself out naturally. If people want efficient cards they will buy them. It’s why I bought a 4070. Granted, it still draws a decent amount of power but it has more performance at less power than the card it replaced and its idle power is a lot less as well.
@MattVickers 7 ай бұрын
I knew someone would bite at that part. Don't take ma freedumbs! (yells at cloud). Meanwhile, the rest of the world is more sensible, hopefully the EU leads the way
@intechtel 7 ай бұрын
We installed one of these in a build we just did and when we opened the package out first reaction was "there's no way..." Thing is a beast.
@WedgeStratos 7 ай бұрын
The 20GB of VRAM would make this a perfect GPU for handling VR-modded Resident Evil or Cyberpunk, and being 4070/4080 class guarantees it'll handle it without too much interpolation.
@b127_1 7 ай бұрын
This is nowhere near the performance of a 4080. It might have the cores, but it uses way less power. The 3dmark section shows the 4000 Ada sff losing to a 3070. Not great. Instead, I'd buy a 3090 or 4090 if you need the ram and the performance, just don't expect them to be efficient.
@Bob_Smith19 7 ай бұрын
4070 and 4080 aren’t in the same class. There’s even a card, 4070TI, between them. It would have to be in one class or the other.
@Steven-hq3go 6 ай бұрын
It's 3060ti performance so more like 4050 class
@I4get42 7 ай бұрын
Hi Jeff! This particular gpu isn't my cup of tea, but it is always good to know what it out there 😀 . Personally,I keep hoping we get desktop motherboards with a mobile gpu on board. That feels like it would be killer since it could be done great for small form factor, or for plex/storage build.
@Draelren 7 ай бұрын
Been waiting for this ever since we drag raced the ex-boxes, those numbers are damn impressive!
@rudder3084 7 ай бұрын
I personally would like to see more gaming cards in such a form factor, unfortunately it may come at a steep premium unfortunately. Anyway great vid and it's always interesting to see how much you can get out of different architectures with such a low wattage and it honestly surprises me with this one.
@Vicorcivius 7 ай бұрын
I got an old 1050ti in this form factor, its still running strong, used to over heat though, had to mod it with an extra fan and heatsync. works good like that, funny thing it is.
@Brebgon 5 ай бұрын
RTX 3050 low profile is out now
@spazda_mx5 7 ай бұрын
Looking forward to getting one of these in about 2031.
@Tommy_The_Gun 6 ай бұрын
You know what is crazy ? RTX A2000 & A4000 have only 70 watt TDP, so no need for addition power plug (only powered from Pci slot). On top of that RTX 2000 is around RTX 3050 (130 TDP, almost double of A2000) when it comes to performance. RTX A4000 is also 70 TDP, but when it comes to performance it is rather around RTX 4060Ti (165 TDP, again more than double of A4000). May I know... WHYYY ?! I can accept a gpu that is a size of a brick, but why why why consumer market can't have a power efficient GPU ? I mean technology is RIGHT THERE. Same company somehow can make a card like that. In current time when energy prices are sky rocketing, wouldn't you think that maybe a power efficient desktop gpu would be highly demanded first and foremost on the Consumer market, rather than professional one ? I don't really care about additional features used in pro market. You can even remove ray tracing from that card. It is just a shame that in order to have something that was commonly available (compact size gpu that is power deficient) you need to pay extra for "miniaturization fee". It is same as with phones. There used to be a lot of mid-range phones that were compact. Now ? It is treated as premium feature.
@fordonmekochgalenskaper5665 7 ай бұрын
Use 6 RTX 4000, 2 in my workstation and 2 in each server that are built as render farm, but I don't play games The A-series card is also possible to NVlink for dubble the Vram and use two cards as one
@GamingOnArc 7 ай бұрын
@Jeff, you should take a look at the Intel ARC A30, A40, A50 and A60 cards with the A50 being the same size and form factor the RTX A4000 SFF. Obviously, they won't be as powerful BUT are cheaper options and the same form factor
@ianide2480 7 ай бұрын
Only speaking from the CAD software that I have deployed; Solidworks, NX, and AutoCAD for my users at work. These CAD packages run FAR better on workstation graphics that are speced below your average 3060 and they kind of run like crap on your normal off the shelf "gaming" cards. The reason is the workstation graphics drivers. There is some magic in the drivers that is not available on consumer cards that allows them to run better on these CAD packages. Even on just a single 3D, relatively non complicated, model (not a large assembly) the performance difference is visibly noticeable. Exactly the same performance difference that can be likened to seeing a lot frame drops in a game. If all you need is CAD performance for these CAD packages, it just needs to be workstation class and I would never recommend that price tag for this use case. I'd just spend the dollars on something 3-4 generations old in the mid tier of workstation class.
@ekinteko 7 ай бұрын
GTX 750Ti, GTX 1050Ti, GTX 1650, RTX-A2000, and now RTX-4000 SFF. I remember when these Pcie Cards would fit into an old Office PC and turn into a little gaming unit, that's powerful enough to give the consoles a run for their money. Now with the A2000 and beyond, the old Office PCs cannot keep up. You need at least 8-cores and faster DDR4 RAM to stretch its legs. And keep up with modern software requirements. Even if that happened (eg Hand Me Down), you still won't be able to build one that is competent.... because the prices for the A2000 and above are just stupid. So your only solution is to build a larger unit from scratch, repurpose a broken Gaming Laptop, or just a life of crime.
@paulbrooks4395 7 ай бұрын
Ooo I want to see this in your cloud gaming build. This would be awesome in a 1U, split between two people it may give good performance with enough VRAM. I’d love to see two 1080p RTX games running on VMs at the same time!
@AnticipatedHedgehog 7 ай бұрын
Very impressive performance, I wish I had the professional workload to justify a new gpu. With electricity costs and space heater temps in mind, 75 watts tdp would be a big upgrade. Sure 4k gaming is fun but in the summer 😢
@bencampbell5476 7 ай бұрын
I think the 4000 would be great for small but mighty video editing systems like Avid or Da Vinci
@xpatrikpvp 7 ай бұрын
There also is a Tesla L4 and it uses AD104 with 7680 cuda cores and also 24GB of memory with 192bit bus
@MrMoxes 7 ай бұрын
“This is not just for the LoLs” -SFF Enthusiasts: “Hold my beer & take my money” 😅🤑💸
@ilijazafirov4192 7 ай бұрын
I have the A2000 6GB and using it in an HP office PC with Intel 8700 CPU, it was my temporary replacement PC while i was rebuilding my gaming rig. It's solid enough for gaming, I even played PC VR games on it, but the more demanding VR games sometimes crash. I will keep it in that office PC or get a better one with better CPU and reuse it, it is a great GPU to have. It was good to see the comparison with the A4000 SFF card and i have been waiting for it for months already. Sadly the A4000 SFF is too pricey and just not worth it for us mere mortals.
@vitoswat 7 ай бұрын
I'd love to see how it performs as split to vGPU. Lots of VRAM gives hopes for some nice perfrormance. Next episode of gaming server?
@michaelchristianrusso 7 ай бұрын
I know that gaming benchmarks get the views, but I would have been interested in seeing how it compares in AI acceleration/inference tasks compared to the A2000 (both due to increased cores and memory). I mean, that's what these were designed for, as you say.
@reviewaccount469 7 ай бұрын
I made a similar post. The only reason I watched this review was for gauging AI performance to determine what card to buy for a server I'm building for local LLMs and Diffusion. I hadn't searched the entire internet, but it seems like AI benchmarks are relegated to the hardcore review blogs like Tom's Hardware and Anandtech, but I'm hoping these metrics will start getting more mainstream attention.
@michaelchristianrusso 7 ай бұрын
Well, whatever, it's annoying, but maybe it's fine if this stuff (like a lot of developments in AI) are murky and in the dark to the general public for now for "job security" reasons anyway. I suppose it's qualitatively harder to performance benchmark for as well, considering that there's no retail software available that generalizes all of the tasks into a discrete number that I'm aware of (for games, it's mainly just "how many triangles can it draw and how fast"), and the amount of VRAM and bus bandwidth in a card can be just as or more important for performance implications than raw compute power (as opposed to gaming where it's mainly just a bottleneck-preventer). @@reviewaccount469
@toddd.8496 7 ай бұрын
I love it when you switch tones completely when talking about the beer! Clearly... you LOVE beer! I do too! :)
@droknron 7 ай бұрын
A great little card. I've been thinking about getting the single-slot full-height version of this for a server where I don't want to lose two expansion slots to one card. The price premium is spicy for both versions of this card but it certainly packs a punch for its size.
@sagejpc1175 7 ай бұрын
Plex server?
@droknron 7 ай бұрын
@@sagejpc1175 I was thinking local LLM's using Serge in a docker, image generators and also Plex. So a lot of machine learning (thus the 20GB of VRAM and good single slot performance) and some Plex transcoding for good measure. If I only needed a Plex card I'd definitely look at something way lower down the scale like a RTX 4060 (just for the newest transcoder).
@Kepler_2258 7 ай бұрын
you also got the RTX A4000 that is a single slot Card and it has The core of a RTX 3070 with 16GB GDDR6 ECC, and a Fan, ive been wanting one of those for my ai server, but their like 500-600$ Dx
@angieandretti 7 ай бұрын
I think they're great. I'd love to build an SFF gaming machine around one of these. It's just... so cute! And yes, I'd absolutely support nVidia releasing SFF gaming cards.
@jilianjing7549 7 ай бұрын
I had been curious about this GPU since it's release. Currently have a precision 3660 with an A2000 12GB in it. Have looked into the RTX 4000 and the RTX 4000 Ada versions. But for games, not much if anything I could find. Until now! It really shows just how good the performance per watt is on ada!
@Spreadie 7 ай бұрын
I have a 4 litre uSFF gaming PC that has been home to a GT1650 LP, an RTX A2000 and, most recently, the Gigabyte RTX 4060 LP, all of them run fine on a 250W GaN PSU. I would love the RTX 4000 SFF, but it cost four time the price of the 4060 LP and, if my A2000 was anything to go by, the 4060 LP is much much quieter. The one thing I didn't like about the A2000 was the minimum 30% fan speed ( yeah, I modded mine to run the fan off a motherboard header, via an adapter cable). However, even undervolted to ~ 90W, the 4060LP still draws more power than the A2000 & A4000 SFF. I'd love to see a third party A4000 SFF with the same cooler as Gigabyte uses on the 4060 LP. That'd be the current pinnacle of the SFF GPU world. We can dream.
@suigeneris886 7 ай бұрын
This video popped up on algorithm and I got my beer prepared! Let's go!
@tspawn35 7 ай бұрын
It's also a $1300 GPU. It better be decent when you can get a regular RTX 4090 for that.
@Bob_Smith19 7 ай бұрын
Where are you getting it for that price? I will buy all that are available. Keep one and sell the rest to make mine free.
@Saren_95 4 ай бұрын
Picked up an a2000 for $250 to play around with, and use in a home server I want to build. I’m keeping my eye on the new Ada generation for a potential future upgrade
@rushunt2131 7 ай бұрын
I wanted one of these since it came out. Thanks for reviewing it !!!
@JumpeFurby 7 ай бұрын
That price is a steal considering the 1600+ euro we have to pay over here 😂
@mj1s735 7 ай бұрын
Since the RTX 4000 Ada Generation SFF is around the same price as the RTX 4080, I would love to see it against the RTX 4080 in media creation and 3D modeling. I don't think I would ever buy the card for gaming, but if it can keep up with a RTX 4080 in media creation and 3D modeling I would buy it over a RTX 4080.
@tejiriamrasa3258 7 ай бұрын
It won't keep up, the rtx 5000 ada is the 4080 equivalent. This one mirrors the 4070.
@mj1s735 7 ай бұрын
@@tejiriamrasa3258 Thanks for the info, and I noticed they have jacked the price up too. So, I would be better off getting a RTX 4080 for content creation. The way things are looking it looks like I should wait until Jan for the release of the RTX 4080 super and see where prices and availability will be?
@gwjones82009 7 ай бұрын
I'd love to see what that thing can do on an ML compute analysis and rendering workload, since that is my use case, granted i have a VERY tiny multi-purpose DB machine that is primarily a compute and storage machine. It's an EPYC 3451 and only is a PCIE 3 system, but it does have 8 20 TB Exos drives, 64 gigs of DDR4 So-Dimm and currently has a 2070 ASUS ITX graphics card in it, primarily offloading long render time stuff, and ML Compute based DB analysis. and YES i still refer to it as ML, since i don't train for LLM, or graphics analysis, my ML is all Neural net Cuda compute.
@jafizzle95 Ай бұрын
I've heard reports of this thing matching or outperforming a 3080TI I think it was, after power modding it. Apparently PCIe slots are not hard limited to 75 watts, that's just the minimum spec and what lower end boards are spec'd for. I think they were drawing something like 130 watts from the slot and it was chugging along happily. As long as you have decent VRM on the motherboard it'll do way above 75 watts from the slot.
@Calvin420GetRektM8 7 ай бұрын
I really like my A2000 12G version for Stable diffusion. It's just nice to see more sff cards, since nearly all my cases are Media PCs/Servers with 2U
@Calvin420GetRektM8 7 ай бұрын
Also would be nice, to see Stable Diffusion Automatic1111 speedtest comparisons, because it uses other Strengths of the GPU, Especially vram Speeds.
@mossim100 7 ай бұрын
Best GPU review of the past year! Really interesting for future SFF-builds.
@Grimmwoldds 7 ай бұрын
Point of order: This is not meant to be an AI accelerator, it's a weird CAD workstation card. It has a low memory clock and a 160 bit memory bus. Neural nets need VRAM, and they need memory bandwidth. They're just a huge matrix of numbers that need to have linear algebra performed on them. The newest server CPUs would be faster at running neural nets than this card.
@MightyElemental 7 ай бұрын
Good to know SFF cards are still made. The last half-height single slot card I was aware of was the gtx 750 ti.
@devilzuser0050 7 ай бұрын
Jensen rocks the money for it, no gpu sag, no crackings, no hpwr melting.. That's why normal low profile cards has been disappeared for quite some time. Gr33dy Asian.
@brianrobinson3961 7 ай бұрын
Been wanting to test one of these. Really would love to see Nvidia release a low power gaming GPU with Ada architecture.
@dieaking6475 6 ай бұрын
MSI Cyborg with 4060 45watt
@cgriggsiv 7 ай бұрын
I almost forgot Jeff there is the A6000 as well which is a 48 gigabyte monster sff
@JordansTechJunk 7 ай бұрын
the A6000 is only SFF if you use a sawzall
@dracer35 6 ай бұрын
Im a hige fan of graphics cards that dont require external power. I keep an MSI GTX 1650 Ventus around that has come in extremely handy for quick troubleshooting and occasionally just playing around with for fun. I really really really wish we would get at least a modern 75w pci slot powered card with each new generation with the accompanying performance per watt improvements. Preferably a low profile version for the people dropping a graphics card into an office PC to reduce e-waste. Plus a normal height version for better cooling and quieter opperation. We know there is a market for them based off the used price for said cards but somehow companies seem to be blind to this. Side note, the ASRock low profile version of the Intel ARC a380 goes on sale for $99 occasionally for a brand new in the box card. According to Techpowerup it is roughly around the same performance as a GTX 1650. A comparable low profile 1650 seems to be selling for about $175 used on ebay currently which is absurd.
@wizmanballin8498 7 ай бұрын
I would love to see this card in a dedicated gaming rig! I was so excited seeing this vid because I have played with slim factors for years and seriously want to go small with my next build. Bigger is not always better so yes...go for it on the next transition of this awesome card!!! And you're a beer guy?!?!? Subbed.😎👍
@novantha1 7 ай бұрын
"So, who is the ADA 4000 SFF for? It's definitely not for you and me" Me sitting over here sweating as both you and I have an ADA 4000 SFF in our hands: For the record: I absolutely love mine. I feel no guilt letting it run long AI workloads or running power intensive games, and it'll be a godsend in the summer.
@shadowsofnoobs 7 ай бұрын
How were the gpu and memory temps on the rtx 4000 sff?
@ychto 7 ай бұрын
So excited to watch this …
@Americancosworth 7 ай бұрын
As a person with a P4, T400, and P620 all in use... Yes.
@sammay1540 7 ай бұрын
If you wanted to add just a bit more value to your analysis, provide the napkin math for how long it would take for the energy savings to make it worth it for the more compute oriented users. You do a great job either way though! Thank you.
@mycosys 7 ай бұрын
When did you get so many subs? almost 350k? Wow. Nice work man. You had a few thousand and a day job when i started watching you.
@jafizzle95 Ай бұрын
This is the coolest thing Nvidia has made in a while (IMO) and I couldn't help but order one. It's going in my Docker host. NVR, Jellyfin video transcoding, LLM powered HA smart assistant, and Steam headless. Cannot wait to play with this thing.
@PuzzledMinds Ай бұрын
I'm super curious about how you achieve Steam headless on Docker, and if it can at all work with Sunshine? If you have a blog post or a public repo with compose files!
@jafizzle95 Ай бұрын
@@PuzzledMinds I haven’t dug into it yet but there are premade containers for it. I assume it’s just enough to run and stream games. I honestly don’t know what goes into making that possible, but I’ve seen full Linux distros in Docker containers so it makes sense that this is a thing you can do with it. Almost seems like it could be exploited for pseudo-vgpu capabilities on non-vgpu capable cards.
@tedguy2743 7 ай бұрын
I really would have loved some professional benchmarks like token rate in text generation, and it’s performance in stable diffusion
@djstraylight 7 ай бұрын
It's also worth nothing there is also a non-SFF RTX 4000 Ada Generation card. Not as small as the SFF but a single slot card that only draws power from the PCI slot. This card is going to be my AI inference card. But we'll see if the Super cards will shuffle the card market next month.
@djstraylight 7 ай бұрын
Also buy this card direct from Nvidia for the best price.
@btarg1 7 ай бұрын
Finally, a high performance, low power PC that makes sense for gaming and pro work!! for people like me living in a country like the UK where energy is expensive this is an incredibly attractive prospect!
@a-b-i-s-m-o 6 ай бұрын
You know windows allows you to use the integrated video output for dedicated GPU. I've done that before with a Quadro p600. You just have to select iGFX as primary boot device and tell windows to process graphics with dedicated GPU. Pretty nice.
@demonhogo 3 ай бұрын
i like how you keep picking up a different card even though you're talking about the same card
@grumpycat_1 6 ай бұрын
Just a heads up for Optiplex 9020/7060 sff owners: With these cards and others like the Low Profile 4060, the x16 PCI slot is on the "wrong" side for this card. Also you need an 8pin/6min ATX PCIe power connector and power supply capable of powering these. I think currently the "best" card you can get for those Optiplexs is a Low Profile RX 6400
@terrycarr470 5 ай бұрын
I would love to see some Plex transcoding 4K>1080p or TDARR transcoding numbers FPS/number of transcodes possible.
@LostInTimeIndustries 5 ай бұрын
Hey man, absolutely amazing breakdown comparison video I have seen! I am looking to build a workstation and haven't paid tech any attention for 2 years😂 So here we go! Thank you for the content, and you just got another sub!
@Alexander-ix2jp 7 ай бұрын
Excellent! Well done. Seeing how we don't have that many alternatives in this low profile and low power category (75W), I'll be upgrading from the A2000 to the A4000 when the 4k gets cheaper in the future.
@LifeWithMatthew 7 ай бұрын
great, now I actually need to pay attention to background stuff to see if I can figure out what you will review in the future.
@chilledbroccoli899 Ай бұрын
that tesla low profile its so cute just makes want one :3
@yeshwantkethineni3694 7 ай бұрын
instead of price to performance, we should do "price to performance to power" / normalize for all 3, since you're generally paying for better efficiency as you pay for a better card I just want an ITX / low length/single fan RTX 4070 with 16GB VRAM. Or something like the 1080Ti mini for the 4070Ti (Super/16GB VRAM). it's ~200W just like the numerous ITX 1080/2070(S)/3060Ti, all ~1 "Liter" in size, so ~200 "Watt per Liter" We should be getting better/more efficient/smaller cooler designs over time, not larger What's so so sad is that individual people are modding their 4070/Tis to ~1 Liter. so so sad how companies with 100s of (paid) ppl don't want to / cannot make a product that already kinda used to exist 6-7 years ago but 1 unpaid passionate person can I should add here that technically there is already a "
@fiecylick3981 7 ай бұрын
The performance per watt on the ada sff card is insane. Obviously the price per frame isn't worth it for the gamers unless some do not care for that. 70W on that card....Able to almost like a 3070. Kinda tells you the potential companies can do without their marketing scams if they cared enough.
@Crunkmaster 7 ай бұрын
nvidia has always made incredible hardware and has almost always been far above every other competitor on every front... and it's because of that they're allowed to do whatever they want inside the market with virtually zero repercussions. if anybody could compete with nvidia, the GPU market wouldn't be in this state
@fiecylick3981 7 ай бұрын
@@Crunkmaster Pretty sure it be in a better state if that's what you mean. Since it revolves in actual competition to be more in market demand. Kinda scary to me only like 3 companies make graphics cards without including third party variants like MSi and more. I'm more in frustration with Nvidia due to Proprietary drivers and closed source issues due to transparency of potential malicious code or trust within the community like linux users.
@cloudcultdev 7 ай бұрын
“This is not for you and me” and “not for pumping out frame”….but…”as for me, this is going into [insert gaming project]” 😂
@cj_zak1681 7 ай бұрын
Great stuff as always Geoff (Jeff?). Re: the 4000, just amazing power in such a small package! But the one thing I was totally blown away by was the A2000's RT performance in Spiderman Remastered. Sure the 0.1% lows are pretty poor but I would not have thought it would be averaging 78fps
@hudsonreynolds4349 5 ай бұрын
Love this video. Amazing content as always Jeff!
@alejandrorodriguezcostelo5797 5 ай бұрын
Is SR-IOV enable? If it is how many vGPU are enable and what the licence costs?
@lewisholmes4036 7 ай бұрын
that card in australian dollar is around the $2500 to $2800 this card Leadtek NVIDIA RTX 4000 SFF Ada Generation -20GB GDDR6 Memory with ECC -Memory B price tag on this one $2607 i was looking at this for running a home gaming server but i think that cards is way over kill to pair with a I7 6700 32gb ddr4 2133 ram i know there is other cheaper cards but not too many good low profile cards either used cards that are garbage but anyway happy new year
@StarFox1988 7 ай бұрын
I have two of the A2000s and they're slick! (its comparable to the 3050) but seeing this, I might have to get one for a future SFF build
@saturnotaku 7 ай бұрын
Gigabyte makes a low-profile/SFF RTX 4060. It only has 8 GB of VRAM but it's significantly cheaper at around $325.
@benotsilent6703 7 ай бұрын
I really like my Instinct Mi25 I purchased and flashed to a WX9100. Works great. Its onboard fan header runs the .8 amp fan no problem. Thank you for all your info you put out on that card. I may get one of these now. :D
@iblackfeathers 7 ай бұрын
would be interested in performance with cracking hashes, and ai acceleration. how would it fair in a zima edge? would be interesting if there was a way to couple it to a flashstor ssd nas for vms, docker containers, streaming media, etc
@TheGameBench 7 ай бұрын
Nice to see some testing on this. According to Tom's Hardware it should be as fast as the 4060 LP, and it would be nice to see how far off they are.
@CraftComputing 7 ай бұрын
My bet is this is faster than the 4060 LP. I'm curious to get my hands on one and find out.
@Elixir247 6 ай бұрын
Ok. Now commence the smallest ITX build! Let's do it!
@chrismonty9295 7 ай бұрын
I would love to see you doing a gaming benchmark of the card like how well does it do in 4k with frame generation turned on
@heirtothethrone000 7 ай бұрын
I wanted to see some 4k benchmarks as well
@unlucky1307 7 ай бұрын
I would love to see some more high performance low power cards. It might be out of the question for now, but one day we may be able to have a handheld with its own dedicated GPU. As is, this could be a viable option for someone with enough budget who likes to do high tech camping due to the lower power draw. I personally would stick to current handhelds, but I could absolutely see this in a rig that someone takes on road trips with a camper.
@I9kieran94 7 ай бұрын
That little thing is almost as fast as my 2080 was and it was a big thick boy
@thebeardofknowledge 7 ай бұрын
Love this video, thank you for covering these cards!
@hwy9nightkid 7 ай бұрын
3:30 i thought spinning a fan manually could cause you to possibly introduce current into the card... and possibly frying it..?
@CraftComputing 7 ай бұрын
Context is important. Me twiddling the blades a couple times will do absolutely nothing. Jay said "stop free-wheeling your fans with an air compressor!"
@hwy9nightkid 7 ай бұрын
haha fair play, and thanks for the review@@CraftComputing . funny enough I think I saw that before Jay said it but I did catch his rant the other day as well..
@paulhorn24 7 ай бұрын
Video editing: Are there some older / used GPU that have shown to be a good deal in 2023 or promise to be not completely outdated and useless in 2024 ? Thanks a lot!
@Frankishz 7 ай бұрын
I would really love to see a side by side PCB comparison between this card and A2000! They look almost identical, I would be curious to know if they used the same layout.
@user-zv3lj1ef7l 7 ай бұрын
I need one to power my toilet paper unroller.
@cyberdroidsystematic3230 6 ай бұрын
This Tiny GPU should be in Gaming Laptops. Seems that it's process power and the fact that it cools way better make sense. It makes sense because Laptops tend to overheat in gaming. I mean by the way you are holding it I think it's two inches in thickness so therefore it can fit in any laptop.
@heybwatspoppin4324 5 ай бұрын
I just recently purchased a RTX 4000 Ada generation card for my AI server. I am kinda upset that a $1,200 card doesn't have 24 GB VRAM, especially for the application I am aiming to use it for, however it has been excellent in freeing up resources for my main compute cluster to do training operations while this performs inference operations.
@cameroncorrosive925 2 ай бұрын
hold on a minute, is that a sour beer? i love that brand! if you get the chance try their apricot sour, it's kind of wild in flavours.
@davidbedard3201 7 ай бұрын
Loved your video, and I’m subscribing. A great analysis, and I’m happy you got the card for testing. Next year, I’m looking to build a low-power (
@mrsrhardy 6 ай бұрын
GeForce RTX 4060 OC Low Profile is $AU500 the A4000 is $1500-2300 depending on memory configuration; hard to justify!
@mugglepower 5 ай бұрын
mans put that glass on the table to make us nervous
@mugglepower 5 ай бұрын
I would be interested to see this in an ultra small form factor case with something like a ITX mobile, Maybe a steam deck XL with dedicated graphics?? Watercool it with external radiator or something lol. would only make sense then. If you put this in standard SFF case, there are totally cards more powerful and affordable, that you could fit in their despite being slightly larger. for the price tag its difficult to justify for non commercial users. Especially with people cramming 4080s into SFF cases barely the size of a drawer.
@BReal-10EC 7 ай бұрын
Dude.. that beer sounds amazing. But I just checked- $150 for a 12 pack!? I guess this is the beer for people buying RTX 4000s for gaming. Lol.
@CraftComputing 7 ай бұрын
Pfriem is local, so slightly more affordable here. Still $8-12 for a 12oz. They have a whole series of BA beers that are absolutely wonderful. I had their Barley Wine last week 😋
@ewenchan1239 5 ай бұрын
It's certainly a lot of performance in a very tiny package with relatively minimal power requirements. Would I buy that only for gaming? Probably not -- especially once it has been virtualised and split up between 4 gaming VMs. But as a low profile build, say, paired with a Threadripper -- and you get two of these -- then that's up for consideration as two of these cards running at full tilt will consume a max of 150 W, which is significantly lower than any (single one) of the desktop gaming counterparts. I've actually currently got the RTX A2000 and I use that for GPU accelerate CFD simulations and that thing works EXTREMELY well for that. Every now and again, I will peruse through eBay to see if there are any viable GV100s on sale, at a relatively decent price. For my GPU accelerated CFD simulations though, in my testing in a system that has an ancient Intel Xeon E5-2690 (v1), it is something like 85% faster in running the same simulation (for the simulation cases that CAN run on in it - as not all of the test cases are supported by the GPU yet). Being able to game on cards like these, really, is just a fringe benefit for me.
@theoldcorporal 5 ай бұрын
I mean, a 3080 and an 850w could be an equivalent in performance. But that extra cost is for lower power draw and a compact size. I could jump on this...
@ABaumstumpf 6 ай бұрын
from "Hey that looks nice" to "Ok, that looks nice as a display-piece for some people with way too much money". Still thinking about building an ultra-small PC but the price-increase for smaller form factors is kinda stopping me, with a desktop-PC of the same performance costing roughly 1/4th of what my current plan would be.
@CraftComputing 6 ай бұрын
MSI just revealed an RTX 3050 6GB SFF card for $179. Pretty awesome deal if you don't need the workstation features.
@ABaumstumpf 6 ай бұрын
@@CraftComputing That flew completely under my radar - nice, thanks.
@HeyNavi 7 ай бұрын
I have the 4000 sff ada in formd t1 v2.0 but now that I have such a small gpu, I really want to downsize even more and go for a velka 3. There’s also a guy on Reddit who is currently working on a copper cooler and power mod for the 4000 sff Ada and it makes it draw more power and making it a slightly overclocked 3070ti. I plan to get these installed once they’re finalized because my previous card was a 3070 ti fe and I definitely miss having those extra frames in single player games, especially since I’m on 1440p 240hz oled. For competitive games this thing is awesome and dead silent.
@jt3000o 7 ай бұрын
The efficiency is crazy
@jomsdy 7 ай бұрын
I was more exited with the beer than the card haha.
@ErikBussink 7 ай бұрын
What would be an interesting test would be a comparison of the RTX 4000 Ada SFF (70W) vs the RTX 4000 Ada (130W), because they both have the same chip and memory, but the wattage is different.