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This is the NTSB Preliminary Report on the fatal crash of KZfaqr TNflygirl. The aircraft was a 1965 Beechcraft C33 Debonair. On December 7, 2023, at 11:03am central standard time (CST), a Beech 35-C33, N5891J, was destroyed when it was involved in an accident near Pulaski, Tennessee. The private pilot and passenger sustained fatal injuries.
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@taproom113
@taproom113 7 ай бұрын
Her video's were difficult to watch ... and this report was difficult to examine. However, both are necessary to understand why and how these things happen, so as to identify problem points and take action to prevent a similar occurrence in the future. I agree with you that this ultimate result was preventable ... and should never have happened. Having investigated accidents and performed 'comparative accident analysis' for a state aviation department many years ago, it became clear that sometimes the causal factors are alarmingly numerous and should have been obvious enough for someone to intervene and break the chain. That definitely was the case here. Her issues seem to begin at the very basics of flying ... Newton's Third Law, for example. Very sad, considering as professionals, we are our 'brothers' keeper ... we can do better. Thoughts and Prayers to family and friends. ^v^
@AudioMasters
@AudioMasters 7 ай бұрын
Everyone who posted or told her she was doing great, and saying ah you got this and you were so wonderful gave her a false sense of confidence. So she probaly went into this flight thinking she could handle anything the forces of physics would throw at her. So we all should get a lesson out of this. Im not saying not to encourage people but encourage them to do better and casually point out where improvements are needed and if need be just be blunt.
@acmekanik9135
@acmekanik9135 7 ай бұрын
@@orphanannie4521 Yup. Everything up until 8 months ago have all been deleted. I guess whomever is doing this doesnt want anything to change or for this to be at least used to help others. Shame really that ego takes priority.
@inquisitivenessandcontempl9918
@inquisitivenessandcontempl9918 7 ай бұрын
​@@acmekanik9135she has been bullied mercilessly in the comments section of her videos after the accident happened. Not only that is immoral, but it's also insensitive towards the relatives of the crash victims. Deleting the videos in order to cease the bullying makes perfect sense.
@gxd4b1
@gxd4b1 7 ай бұрын
@@inquisitivenessandcontempl9918 Not sure you can bully a dead person. She wont care right now. In any case, this time next month we'll have forgotten all about it and wont even remember Jenny's first name.
@recoilrob324
@recoilrob324 7 ай бұрын
@@inquisitivenessandcontempl9918 I have to disagree with you that it's NOT 'bullying'....we're examining the root cause of her untimely and unfortunate death which is what is needed to prevent a tragedy like this from happening again. Those of us who painfully watched her earlier videos could plainly see that she was struggling with the new aircraft and repeatedly making the same mistakes that ultimately killed her and her father. Hopefully there are people out there who will see this same pattern in someone they are flying with and be able to stop them from killing themselves. That is the goal here...not to demean or bully. You don't know what you don't know...and we all owe it to our fellow aviators to critique and call out glaring mistakes so they can correct them...not be silent because we don't want to embarrass them. The ultimate embarrassment is to accidentally kill yourself making mistakes that could easily have been corrected.
@gcvincent3989
@gcvincent3989 7 ай бұрын
As a retired CFI that video of the young lady and her CFI 900 ft below a approach fix totally oblivious to it gave me cold chills. Good lord!
@AudioMasters
@AudioMasters 7 ай бұрын
The worst part is the CFI is just as lost as she is.
@maxtanicfilms
@maxtanicfilms 7 ай бұрын
Well said
@LaVidaLocaHomie
@LaVidaLocaHomie 7 ай бұрын
Good thing she was not flying an approach into Aspen.
@ellisjames7192
@ellisjames7192 7 ай бұрын
900 feet, not 100 feet, but 900 goddamn feet. That is so far off it is criminal.
@ellisjames7192
@ellisjames7192 7 ай бұрын
@@LaVidaLocaHomie It would have been Jennie meet side of mountain.
@chrisfournier6144
@chrisfournier6144 7 ай бұрын
It seems to me that she was more interested in people being interested in her flying than she was interested in flying herself. Vanity and distraction. Deadly.
@ellisjames7192
@ellisjames7192 7 ай бұрын
To me, it seems that she simply did not have the aptitude for flying an airplane.
@jimpalmer1969
@jimpalmer1969 7 ай бұрын
My hat is off to you for watching the TNflygirl videos. I saw part of one of them and that was all I could take.
@maxtanicfilms
@maxtanicfilms 7 ай бұрын
Prior to the accident I watched in passing & thought YIKES, bad news. After the crash and really really watching it gave me anxiety. I can't believe no intervention was made.
@737Parkie
@737Parkie 7 ай бұрын
I tried watching. Painful. 😱
@AudioMasters
@AudioMasters 7 ай бұрын
@@maxtanicfilms I live only 36 miles from Downtown Island and i'm based out of a regional only 70 miles from there. She used to use regional where im based to practice and probably flew right over my farm to get there. So yeah i cringed when i saw this on the news. So i did some video investingating and man was i surprised at what i found. Your right someone should have said something long before this happened. What i dont understand is where and how she got to 400 hours with such bad flight skills and no one noticed.
@maxtanicfilms
@maxtanicfilms 7 ай бұрын
@@AudioMasters Hard to believe, don't they even care about her. Never seen anything like it.
@kellik5453
@kellik5453 7 ай бұрын
The lesson I take from this is that she moved on to a more complex aircraft way too soon. She should have stayed in the plane that she used for certification while she cemented her piloting skills. The most confusing things to me are the obsession with the auto pilot and attention to the cameras. If you don’t know how to use the autopilot, you don't invite a non-pilot family member to help figure it out. Also cameras + phones + tablet = distractions that lead to these type of accidents. Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. Doesn’t say anything about selfies and TikTok videos. What I blame the instructors for is the lack of professionalism when ‘teaching’. My CFI constantly reminded me to watch my airspeed, altitude, and power setting by saying “we’re going to be on the news, or worse”.
@jeeplife5262
@jeeplife5262 7 ай бұрын
Sadly, she mentioned that she had a nose wheel incident with her first plane. She purchased this plane as a replacement…
@grayrabbit2211
@grayrabbit2211 7 ай бұрын
She didn't even demonstrate a level of competency needed to do your first solo, PPL. Climb = Power should be automatic. She claims to have 400 hours, so I'd hope at some point over that time she would have discovered the association.
@ChavngRynsPvts
@ChavngRynsPvts 7 ай бұрын
In all fairness, iPads are what we use Foreflight on (electronic flight bag), which has everything from charts to approach plates, to chart supps and TERPS.
@Paul1958R
@Paul1958R 7 ай бұрын
_Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. Doesn’t say anything about selfies and TikTok videos._ I said almost the same exact thing in my reply at Juan Browne's (blancolirio) video.
@Paul1958R
@Paul1958R 7 ай бұрын
Here is my comment from a week ago: Where in 'aviate, navigate, communicate' is 'have an extensive youtube channel to show off'? I think too many people loose sight of their priorities and are distracted in the name of social fame and notoriety. There are only so many hours in a day and if she had put the hours making yt videos into additional pilot training maybe she would have known how to use her autopilot and fly her plane.
@unclebob4964
@unclebob4964 7 ай бұрын
The clip with the CFI made me sick. It appeared that NO-ONE in that cockpit knew what the hell was going on !!
@johnpatrick1588
@johnpatrick1588 7 ай бұрын
I didn't see a pilot. I saw a narcissist which is very common on KZfaq.
@mmoly-cj4bd
@mmoly-cj4bd 7 ай бұрын
Bottom line when you get down to the basics of human nature with some folks you are spot on.
@Kevin_747
@Kevin_747 7 ай бұрын
I took a quick look at her videos prior to the accident. The infatuation with the auto-pilot was a head scratcher for me. Every video I watched was full of distractions. Video cameras, CFI that was an empty suit, hi perf. single that she was behind before she started the engine. When I learned of her accident it didn't surprise me. In the video example 900 ft low on an approach segment is on the CFI. I've been flying an M model Bonanza for 37 years, I didn't have an auto-pilot for the first 20. This young lady didn't have training on how to hand fly and trim the aircraft so she wouldn't be behind it and bad habits kept getting compounded. Unfortunately she and her father paid with their lives and she left behind plenty of video evidence as to why.
@aviatortrucker6285
@aviatortrucker6285 7 ай бұрын
I had put flying on hold for almost 9 years and knew nothing about glass, cockpits or auto pilots. I did some self study on the different flight, simulators and got interested, which got me more into looking into training. When I encounter a new system, I usually power it up on the ramp without running the engine and run through all the functions to make sure it is doing what it is supposed to do, and understanding what it is supposed to do. There are so many different type auto pilots on the market. Some of them are so basic and simple that they basically hold the plane level and you still have to fly it to intercept courses. Others are more sophisticated, and very strong where they will fly even the tightest procedure turn with accuracy. You need to know all the systems in the aircraft, how they work, and how they incorporate one another With and without the redundancy. Train as you fly fly as you train.
@mikeskidmore6754
@mikeskidmore6754 7 ай бұрын
I don't know how to fly .. I am thinking if the Auto Pilot is giving you so many problems on a nice sunny day just fly Manually
@ChavngRynsPvts
@ChavngRynsPvts 7 ай бұрын
​@@mikeskidmore6754that's the sad part, the auto pilot was working as intended, she was not given proper training on it and it's different functions.
@joethompson297
@joethompson297 7 ай бұрын
She didn’t know basic navigation so she was panicked on this point to point flight.
@mikeskidmore6754
@mikeskidmore6754 7 ай бұрын
@@joethompson297 She didn't look panicked to me.. It looked to me like she didn't even realize how bad and dangerous her flying situations were. She appeared rather Clueless to me as did her Father. I assumed that her Father was an experienced Pilot who could bail her out that turns out he was not a Pilot..
@johnpatrick1588
@johnpatrick1588 7 ай бұрын
Did she fly to fly or fly to be a famous KZfaqr?
@Bangbang-gl4xo
@Bangbang-gl4xo 7 ай бұрын
That's a good question.
@Paul1958R
@Paul1958R 7 ай бұрын
I think the answer is _obvious._
@jeffr6280
@jeffr6280 7 ай бұрын
Someone with more money than skills is certainly nothing new in G/A. It's just that we have more people putting themselves on film these days, so we sadly get a first hand look at incompetence in action.
@BobC250
@BobC250 7 ай бұрын
All I needed to see in order to be sure in my own mind of what led up to this, was that - on three different occasions - she was unaware of the need to add power to an aircraft that is being commanded to climb. I don't think it's correct to conclude that "she didn't know how to operate the autopilot". The issue is more fundamental and basic than that; she was not aware that when commanding a climb (in these three cases using the autopilot) that power would need to be added, to counteract the loss in airspeed. The fluctuations in altitude mentioned in the report are exactly what happened in all three of these videos; she tried to climb, airspeed dimishes, close to stall, so she descends (usually following an AP emegency disconnect). Then the spiral repeats. In two of these videos it is her (non-pilot) Father that is with her as she attempts these speed-diminshing climbs. On one, it was her CFI, who made no attempt to educate her on the need to add power while climbing. She was quite staggeringly incapable of operating an aircraft. The CFI in question must face at least partial responsibility for this accident. There is a clear line of causation.
@DoubleE_Aviation
@DoubleE_Aviation 7 ай бұрын
I'd have to agree, the videos i watched where she was in a nose up attitude and wondering why she wouldn't climb gave me the chills. "I'm over here yelling add power". Sounds like there were 2 gopros in the cockpit, hopefully they were running.
@user-gl9iz1bp1r
@user-gl9iz1bp1r 7 ай бұрын
I'm not a pilot - but your assessment seems very reasonable. Can you climb without adding power, if you want to maintain air speed? No. Try that on a bicycle. If you want to maintain speed climbing a hill - you need to jump on the pedals. Same principle driving a car. Is that not intuitive?
@groth3395
@groth3395 7 ай бұрын
She did not know how the autopilot equipment in her a/c worked. To wit: she didn't know that if she set it for an altitude hold, she would be responsible for power control to maintain airspeed as desired. What seems most incredible about all this is all she had to do was turn OFF the AP and trim the a/c and fly safely to destination. The Instrument instructor shown in the clip is clearly unqualified to be an instructor. He allowed her to be off 900' at an approach point. That's the kind of mistake that gets a pilot KILLED. He needs to be investigated. Blind leading the blind. Also, if you are teaching someone how to fly IFR in a single-engine plane, part of that training has to be radio/comm management. He was doing it all (while oblivious to several errors - including lowered flaps during "missed approach"). This gal was set up to fail and did so,.
@garyradtke3252
@garyradtke3252 7 ай бұрын
You can't climb a hill and maintain speed in an automobile without adding power by pushing down on the accelerator. She may have been way behind the airplane as a result of her CFI being behind. That's how the short video appeared to me. The CFI also looked a bit intimidated by something. Could it be the KZfaq filming?
@drethanplasticsurgery
@drethanplasticsurgery 7 ай бұрын
I could not agree more
@dandunlap8638
@dandunlap8638 7 ай бұрын
I watched some of her videos. I got the impression she thought flying was no big deal. She thought it was easier and less involved than it is.
@richardcochran260
@richardcochran260 7 ай бұрын
I only have about 30 hours of flight time as a student pilot. 7 of those hours were solo. They were all a few decades ago. I watched a couple of her videos, and what strikes me as radically different from my own experience is that my CFI almost never touched the controls or radio. Sure, on the first flight he handled the takeoff and landing, but he quickly let me do the work while he talked me through it. By the time of my first solo, I had many lessons where he had not touched a single control (though his hand may have been very close to the yoke at times), and not said a word on the radio. He was just watching everything and talking to me, making helpful critiques and suggestions. We learn by doing, not by having someone else do what needs to be done.
@recoilrob324
@recoilrob324 7 ай бұрын
So it looks like we have very young CFI's who don't really know what they're doing just wanting a job to accumulate enough hours to go to an airline...and I think the young guy in the video (or one of her earlier CFI's) did indeed get an airline job...where hopefully he'll be trained. I think someone said that Jenny was talking about getting HER CFI so she could get more hours...so you have this descending spiral of knowledge where one poorly trained person 'trains' the next who is going to be even less proficient and soon you end up with little training actually happening. It's like the aircraft version of the children's game of 'telegraph' where you give a sentence to one child, who tells the next one and on down the line after many transmissions what comes out the other end on the last child is nothing like the original message. If this IS what's going on here....if the FAA had any sense they'd put a stop to it. But considering who 'leads' the FAA I don't think that's going to happen.
@maxtanicfilms
@maxtanicfilms 7 ай бұрын
Agree, it makes me think of Air France 447. The basics, they didn't know how to fly an airplane nor understand their aircraft systems. Scary!
@PRH123
@PRH123 7 ай бұрын
Yes, there's quite a lot of comments from the community on this subject. I encountered one myself many years ago. IMHO anyone under 30-ish likely doesn't have the maturity and experience to be a good instructor.
@azcharlie2009
@azcharlie2009 7 ай бұрын
I live in the Tucson area and the corridor between here and Phoenix is FILLED with low time CFIs and students! Some are very professional... But, most are not. It is an environment where you'd better be on your toes at all times. Gone are the days of a leisurely day of flying. You have to be on the look out for traffic constantly.
@jstar1000
@jstar1000 7 ай бұрын
I'm sure the FAA is way too busy trying to hire transgenders and the like so they can virtue signal diversity.
@notsoancientpelican
@notsoancientpelican 7 ай бұрын
next time you get on an airliner think about who's up front flying. damned scary.
@belliott538
@belliott538 7 ай бұрын
What this young lady needed was Someone to tell her “NO”. Honestly… Clearly she lacked the Understanding and Judgement to Realize how far beyond her Current Capabilities she had run. And now Her Story is over. Her Father, who was the final person that could have told her “NO!”, instead climbed into the aircraft with her Again, sealing both their fates. As Heartbreaking as this whole story is… at least they didn’t kill anyone else. From where I stand, I’m having trouble seeing how her Flight Instructors could believe that she had a handle on the Basic Skills she needed in order to get her Pilot’s License. The Whole Sorry Situation is on display in Detail throughout her videos. If this was my Daughter I would be Absolutely Furious… at Myself and with her Instructors.
@jllucci
@jllucci 7 ай бұрын
This!
@grayrabbit2211
@grayrabbit2211 7 ай бұрын
Agreed. I want to know who signed off on her. Certainly her performance wasn't magically better for the DPE.
@ChavngRynsPvts
@ChavngRynsPvts 7 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, based off a video I saw with her father, he mentioned something to her and she gave him the "bitch stare". Definitely gave me the impression she wasn't teachable.
@davidsoom1551
@davidsoom1551 7 ай бұрын
Pretty girls don't hear the word no very often.
@dyer2cycle
@dyer2cycle 7 ай бұрын
"Young Lady"...I think that may have played a role in the "attitude" that contributed to this accident, as well...she was, in fact, not a "young lady", she was middle-aged, 45, I believe...however, from her videos, she comes across as a very young lady with her attitudes, toward flying, her videos, interacting with CFI and ATC, even vanity, maybe...a middle-aged mindset would have been much better here...and not only her, but her CFI as well...
@willl.4570
@willl.4570 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the report! It takes people like you, Juan and Dan to try to analyze this info. It’s worth all your time to get this out! Now all of her recent videos are private (past 8 months)……… thank you for all your work.Your saving lives!
@eddybrandt3547
@eddybrandt3547 7 ай бұрын
The video showing her flying was scary to me. She was fixated on the panel, and had no clue what the airplane was doing. She had tunnel vision and couldnt even understand what the controller was saying. Then, to learn she has 400 hours really gets me. I believe she was a victim of her appearance and her money. Her instructors saw dollar signs, and milked her for all she had. She should have been in a C182 for all of her instrument training. Any of her recent instructors are to blame for her and her father's death.
@jllucci
@jllucci 7 ай бұрын
She was probably piper cub qualified.. BARELY!!
@ericfagerburg7448
@ericfagerburg7448 7 ай бұрын
She was doing instrument training. She was supposed to be scanning the instruments and not looking outside. The CFI was supposed to be looking outside and keeping them clear of any other traffic. Plus it would have been a good idea if he had stopped her from getting 900 ft. below where she was supposed to be. He didn't seem to have any idea. When a controller says "do you require any assistance" you should immediately be asking yourself what you're doing wrong. And if you can't quickly figure it out, you should ask!
@ellisjames7192
@ellisjames7192 7 ай бұрын
@@ericfagerburg7448 She seemed to avoid talking to ATC as much as possible. There was one video where she was lost and did not know where she was or where she was going and she never once called ATC for help.
@factsondeck1552
@factsondeck1552 7 ай бұрын
No. You’re wrong. The pilot flying the plane was to blame for her and her father’s death.
@NewtonWashinton
@NewtonWashinton 7 ай бұрын
Sadly this girl with 400 hrs. did not understand the fundamentals of flying. She needed truth, facts, and still learning in a 172 with a good instructor.
@jllucci
@jllucci 7 ай бұрын
This girl was killed by her own continuing need for validation as well as her pretty face that no one could say "No" to. Her instructors were empty suit "yes" men.
@grayrabbit2211
@grayrabbit2211 7 ай бұрын
Her logbook had 400 hours...
@jturie
@jturie 7 ай бұрын
@@grayrabbit2211 The vast majority of which, evidently, were flying around in countless circles with the same origin/destination. Empty hours accumulation.
@grayrabbit2211
@grayrabbit2211 7 ай бұрын
@@jturie What a waste of time! I always tried to incorporate my training into my life, ie: doing "cross country" flights to attend work meetings in other cities, meeting friends for lunch/ dinner on the other side of the state, repositioning aircraft for other pilots, etc. Even as a "student" pilot! Nothing in the regs says you can't. It just requires discipline to ensure get-there-itis is nowhere on the table, which usually means leaving lots of extra time. It also meant that I got to fly quite a few different types of aircraft as a student. I've heard some CFIs say they don't like that approach but I loved it. It forced me to heavily review the POH and checklists before each flight and follow them religiously. It also forced me to focus on the basics of flight and flying by the numbers. Low wing, high wing, tricycle, taildragger, steam, glass, all during my student training.
@mazerat4q2
@mazerat4q2 7 ай бұрын
Very sad. I think her biggest problem was an instructor problem. An instructor problem doesn't always mean the instructor is insufficient. It also means the student is not capable. Jenny seems more interested in narration of video than flying the plane.
@maxtanicfilms
@maxtanicfilms 7 ай бұрын
For sure, tragic!
@jakesdejager9317
@jakesdejager9317 7 ай бұрын
She was just way behind the aircraft type
@pittss2c601
@pittss2c601 7 ай бұрын
Wrong. Two things make a great pilot: Skill & Judgement.
@flyer617
@flyer617 7 ай бұрын
She wouldn't have been allowed to solo company aircraft in the training environment I was in for my instrument rating. So sad. In flight training you need the brutal truth.
@grayrabbit2211
@grayrabbit2211 7 ай бұрын
She had multiple instructors from what I understand.
@Mikinct
@Mikinct 7 ай бұрын
Yes, those 3 things contributed to crash. One thing left out is she was also concerned about filming & recording for youtube content. She wasnt ready with experince flying in general, experience flying that particular complex plane & autopilot. No reason to add multiple go pro cameras 📸 at all
@maxtanicfilms
@maxtanicfilms 7 ай бұрын
Agree 100%
@mattf49006
@mattf49006 7 ай бұрын
i went back and tried watching her channel after the crash hit the news...and without trying to jump on her decision making post mortem was painful to watch her flounder ..and even more aggravating to watch her CFI have no idea what he was doing....he signed off on this
@bombsaway6340
@bombsaway6340 7 ай бұрын
If you’re having trouble with an autopilot, turn it off, set a pitch attitude and power, and trim the pressure off.
@mattj65816
@mattj65816 7 ай бұрын
#1 thing to learn about any autopilot is: all the ways to turn it off.
@jmorrison5206
@jmorrison5206 7 ай бұрын
It’s a handy gadget that can be a big help once you are competent to fly the plane without one.
@bombsaway6340
@bombsaway6340 7 ай бұрын
@@jmorrison5206 well said
@dyer2cycle
@dyer2cycle 7 ай бұрын
She seemed to be as fixated on the autopilot as everybody is with GPS in their cars nowadays...just can't live without it, even if it gets you into trouble...
@AndySabola11
@AndySabola11 7 ай бұрын
Or go read the manuals and ask the questions until you fully understand it.
@Jetdriver704
@Jetdriver704 7 ай бұрын
Long time ago in the 1980’s my first job as a flight instructor was at Sawyer Aviation in Phoenix. Even though not required our private pilot syllabus consisted of 3 lessons in spin training and recovery. In fact when I trained my instrument students I would put them into a spin under the hood and make them recover. It was a great flight school that made sure pilots were well trained and proficient. Time to time we would have a student that lacked basis stick and rudder skills and instead of just taking their money we stop their training. It’s obvious this person was not qualified to possess a private pilots license. Her situation was exasperated by an incompetent flight instructor. One thing that I’ve learned throughout my career was the pilots with the worst stick and rudder skills were late career changers in their 40”s.
@Skyhawk945
@Skyhawk945 7 ай бұрын
Agree on spin proficiency, I was blessed to get the instruction as part of the basics.
@thatsrich944
@thatsrich944 7 ай бұрын
Since the gopros were intact, I'm sure the final report will include more information about that footage, hopefully providing conclusive details; although the root causes seem pretty obvious.
@grayrabbit2211
@grayrabbit2211 7 ай бұрын
But will her Instagram page get more likes and followers?
@jturie
@jturie 7 ай бұрын
I'm trying to figure out how she managed to fly 400 hours without crashing earlier. Scary thought. Scarier thought? How many more TNFly"pilots" are out there?
@easttexan2933
@easttexan2933 7 ай бұрын
I only know of one.....Baron Pilot.
@gxd4b1
@gxd4b1 7 ай бұрын
Doesnt this point to a failure in the system as much as Jenny? At the end of the day, we have a system that allowed someone like Jenny, who had no business flying around in that aircraft, to not only fly around by herself in that aircraft but take passengers. How many other 'Jennys' are flying around, that have just been lucky to date so we never hear about them. Its cool we are bagging her and saying how awful she is, but when are we going to ask questions of the system that allowed this to take place?
@jstar1000
@jstar1000 7 ай бұрын
I can't wrap my head around how her and her dad both did not understand how inexperienced she was and how deadly of a potential situation that is for all involved and would even consider going on a long flight like they did with out fear of a bad outcome. Talk about all the cheese holes in the stack lining up. So freaking sad and avoidable.
@latetotheparty184
@latetotheparty184 7 ай бұрын
I wonder if the fact that she was young attractive woman who got treated preferentially and not criticized much. She had an excessive perception of her skill. "Halo effect" is real'
@jstar1000
@jstar1000 7 ай бұрын
@@latetotheparty184 She looked like she knew she was in over her head in all those videos, she looked totally confused, how can you not understand the severity of that?
@latetotheparty184
@latetotheparty184 7 ай бұрын
@@jstar1000 Are you saying because she was confused she therefore understood her lack of knowledge and skill. She was confused before when with a flight instructor yet went on take her father in the plane. Clearly she still thought her skills were good, but they weren't.
@jstar1000
@jstar1000 7 ай бұрын
@@latetotheparty184 No I'm asking how can one not understand the severity of them not understanding how to operate a complex high performance aircraft and the potential end result. Its not hard to figure out that your confused about something you don't understand and watching the videos she knew she didn't have a good understanding on how to fly that plane or else she was just living in total denial I suppose but you would think her dad could see thorough the BS and talk her out of doing that flight and getting more training. Oh well I guess its a mute point now isn't it? Hope someone else can learn and live from her misfortune.
@grayrabbit2211
@grayrabbit2211 7 ай бұрын
I find the younger generation operates frequently in the Unknown / Unknown quadrant of the Johari window, that is they don't know what they don't know. Not good career-wise, but absolutely dangerous in many fields, like medicine, aviation, etc. Although I think she's older than the age group I typically see this in.
@weing
@weing 7 ай бұрын
What just as much of a head scratch is how she got to be a 400 hour pilot and didn't auger in a couple of hundred hours earlier.
@Despiser25
@Despiser25 7 ай бұрын
She literally couldnt grasp that the Auto Pilot did not automatically control her altitude.
@jimdavis1939
@jimdavis1939 7 ай бұрын
When I was instructing back in the 70's I had several students that just did not have the skills and mindset to successfully and safely continue to pursue further instruction. It was not easy to tell them that, but I did because it was the correct thing to do. If that instructor in this video was typical of the ones she had and I suspect he was, I understand how this tragedy occurred. She had utterly no business in a complex airplane like the Debonair, let alone a 172. Her instructors failed her, period, full stop.
@davidsoom1551
@davidsoom1551 7 ай бұрын
Back in the 70s you might have been able to tell a female student that but today you'd be a toxic male or a ME TOO candidate.
@alexburke1899
@alexburke1899 7 ай бұрын
You bring up an interesting moral dilemma for instructors where they want the business/money so they feel compelled to teach everyone with money. It’s sort of similar to how RV dealers will often sell an overweight trailer for a customer’s truck, it pits someone else’s safety against someone’s own financial interests.
@jimdavis1939
@jimdavis1939 7 ай бұрын
@@alexburke1899 as I said, it was hard to do, but my concern was for those students' personal safety and the safety of others. To this day I am convinced I made the right decision.
@LaVidaLocaHomie
@LaVidaLocaHomie 7 ай бұрын
"Her instructors failed her, period, full stop." Hopefully charges will be pending.
@observer1242
@observer1242 7 ай бұрын
We live in a self-esteem oriented society. When I took flying lessons, the flying instructor was an old military guy, and he used to scream and swear at me.
@ggeorge4144
@ggeorge4144 7 ай бұрын
As a former CFII I can say that today's flight training needs a huge overhaul. The FAA needs to take a hard look at flight instructors and how they instruct. This idea of making videos for the internet with highly inexperinced pilots is insane and should be outlawed. Flying is a wonderul and very safe activity if conducted properly in a properly maintained aircraft. I have thousands of hours flying and instructing, in both IFR an VFR. Also have hundreds of hours doing aerobatics. Flying is a wonderful and fun thing to do if it is done safely. I was a strict instructor as I did not want any of my students to die in a crash. This cavalier attitude towards flying is disgusting and gives general avation a bad rap. Right now the FAA is busy making rules for RC model airplanes when I think they should focus more on full size airplanes and how qualified the people who are getting certificates are to fly them.
@BruceLeigh-eu3wm
@BruceLeigh-eu3wm 7 ай бұрын
She seemed as carefree as if she were in a simulator.
@timmorin69
@timmorin69 7 ай бұрын
Personally i don't think this woman was smart enough to be flying. From watching her videos you can clearly see that she is a scatter brain, she was basicly living in a fog, and didn't have a clear understanding of anything airplane related. Sometimes just because you have the money to do things, doesn't mean it's a good idea to do it. You can tell she was surrounded by "yes" people who just told her what she wanted to hear because it seems she doesn't take criticism very well, and probably was a hand full to deal with when she was told something she didn't want to hear. That's the vibe i gathered from watching the last 6 of her videos. How anyone let that woman fly an airplane alone is insane. I don't know how she was ever allowed to even do her first solo. Even the very basics of flight were to complex for her mental capacity. She had 400 hours flight time and STILL had no idea that more power is needed to climb. That's pretty much one of the first things any person learns when flying. May she and her father rest in peace, it's a shame that her ignorance and ego killer her father. Such an easily avoidable tragedy.
@ellisjames7192
@ellisjames7192 7 ай бұрын
Well said and true.
@d.b.cooper6112
@d.b.cooper6112 7 ай бұрын
I watched her videos and yes, as a 400 hr pilot w/ her own a/c, she was behind a lot and struggled w/ AP. However, I can't believe she would "trim-fight" the AP until/into a crash. She recognized this "problem", the effect unfortunately not the cause, in her videos. I'm not going to comment on her Instructor, (thank god my primary flight instruction wasn't filmed), but had any of my former Instructors seen me, a 400 hr pilot, struggle with, & wonder aloud about, the relationship of attitude, power & trim, I would have gotten an ear full & immediately sent back to ground school. Question: with both her & her Dad lost, is there no one to take the videos down? The piling-on should be ended.
@tootallsvlog103
@tootallsvlog103 7 ай бұрын
I'm with you, the piling-on should stop for the sack of her grieving loved ones if nothing else. God I hope they don't see all of these keyboard pilots making these assumptions. Also, as you mentioned, I don't see a 400 hr pilot not knowing how to trim an aircraft and fighting trim to her death. It's unfair to assume that. She demonstrated in several of her videos where she had to disconnect the AP because of trim. Too much assuming she didn't know how to trim an aircraft and to jump at this conclusion is unfair to her, her instructors and family. She was on her way to Arkansas to have the AP worked on so, maybe there was an issue with the AP? Maybe her Gopro will tell more.
@willl.4570
@willl.4570 7 ай бұрын
The most recent videos are down now ( last 8 months worth)
@Rohammers
@Rohammers 7 ай бұрын
@@tootallsvlog103did you not watch this video? It was clearly pilot error.. not surprising at all after watching her previous videos.
@tootallsvlog103
@tootallsvlog103 7 ай бұрын
I did watch it and yes, whatever her past videos showed regarding her skill level, it's still not determined the cause of this accidents. Maybe I missed something. Too much bashing on her IMO. @@Rohammers
@arthouston7361
@arthouston7361 7 ай бұрын
As a former CFI, I call this situation a “cluster.” It’s very sad. It did not need to happen, but there are factors involved here…human factors…that are the direct cause of this crash.
@paulsmodels
@paulsmodels 7 ай бұрын
Very sad. This lady wanted to be a KZfaq star so much that she killed herself along with her passenger. She shouldn't have been flying that airplane to begin with. The cost of fame can sometimes be extreme folks.
@btinsen
@btinsen 7 ай бұрын
Cockpit automation is tempting young pilots into believing they are invincible. Some of the young CFI’s that I have met are more engrossed in their tablets than the basic mechanics involved in keeping the aircraft aloft. Staring for long periods of time at screens can quickly lead to mental paralysis and task saturation. The autopilot was the last straw. Intended to reduce the workload, it became the main focus of attention and there wasn’t much mental focus to spare. The CFI in that video had the opportunity to shut the flight down but he seemed distracted and confused. I hate to think how he must be feeling right now.
@grayrabbit2211
@grayrabbit2211 7 ай бұрын
He's probably still scrolling through his Facebook page like he was on some of the flight videos.
@larryweitzman5163
@larryweitzman5163 7 ай бұрын
Edited from my comment in your first video of this accident waiting to happen and just adding to what you said in both videos: Jenny was always behind the airplane with poor piloting habits and procedures. I have a totally different opinion of what cause or led up to this accident. But she didn't belong in this airplane and maybe no airplane. Airplanes to this pilot were the means to an objective and it WASN'T aviation. I don't know this woman, but this accident follows some similar characteristics of at least two other accidents, one very recent at Oshkosh in a T-6 and another accident, non-fatal, nearly 90 years ago at Oakland, Ca. only leading to her eventual death. Yes, Earhart was also a terrible, marginal pilot at best. She had several accidents leading up to her eventual loss in the Pacific. Remember her first attempt at circling the globe ended up in an initial takeoff accident in Oakland on the runway! And she thought she could fly around the world. Earhart was all about publicity and her "marriage" to her publisher husband, George Putnam was to further her being in the spotlight. It was to make money and fame. In all three accidents an innocent man was killed. Maybe Fred Noonan wasn't as innocent. In any event, TNflygirl didn't belong in that airplane or any complex airplane and yes I watch a few of her other videos, and she was almost always behind the airplane and I am glad I wasn't in her log book. Another irreplaceable airplane destroyed. But there seems to be no shortage of pilots with poor judgement.
@mikeskidmore6754
@mikeskidmore6754 7 ай бұрын
From what I have read about Ameila Airhart .. She was a line of sight Pilot only .. Thus a nice Sunny day fair weather Pilot . Not some one who could read instruments and fly around the world.. Heck she got lost and ran out of gas most say . Of course her first Navigator quit I think in Hawaii and lived out a long and healthy life .
@larryweitzman5163
@larryweitzman5163 7 ай бұрын
@@mikeskidmore6754 She was worse than that, read her history, she had several accidents. Flying wasn't her passion, it was publicity and money. Her first attempt at her round the world flight started in Oakland when she crashed on takeoff. She couldn't even get five feet off the ground before losing control of her Lockheed which took several months to repair. That flight was about publicity and money. And it looks like that was the deal for TNnoflygirl. There are other Utube channels that feature women pilots, and a couple of them are "ok" pilots.
@OhMySack
@OhMySack 7 ай бұрын
Interesting and worthy points. In this case, the situation transcends aircraft complexity. It's become clear that she held little to NO basic piloting instincts. Something tells me she would have done the same if it were a C152. The difference is she might not have left as big a smoking hole as she did!
@mikeskidmore6754
@mikeskidmore6754 7 ай бұрын
@@larryweitzman5163 I must have only seen the sensationalized Stories that the Media tried to make her look like a Hero. I really admired Jessy Combs, but I would net get in an old fighter Jet with no wings and try to go over 500 MPH on a Dry Lake Bed. That Land Speed Record Jet built in the UK looks 10 times safer and more stable .
@larryweitzman5163
@larryweitzman5163 7 ай бұрын
@@OhMySack I think you are correct, a 152 would make no difference in the outcome of her attempted flying career. The point is the perhaps failure of the system to give her a pilot's license. But its also her reason for flying, I believe it wasn't aviation, but the use of aviation to make something of herself, but aviation can be an unforgiving form of advancement. This one as in the T-6 crash at OSH is not hard to figure out considering the underlying thoughts and plans and purposes of the pilots. Some study about Earhart would help answer those questions. I know I am beating around the bush here (literally), but if I told the truth or what I really think what happened behind this accident straight out...
@Agislife1960
@Agislife1960 7 ай бұрын
Ive seen comments from people who knew her saying that she wasn't a good driver either
@skydancerforever
@skydancerforever 7 ай бұрын
I can see that being true plus to me she presents herself as being a difficult person to teach anything too. Doesn't really pay attention in her video's and seems to be in her own little world not realizing the grave dangers of flying? All for the camera and youtube. My first thought was: Why didn't someone that knew her have the guts to tell her to stop flying until you get proper training and knowledge of your plane and electronics. But now i come to the conclusion she wouldn't listen to anyone anyways.
@doomsday9973
@doomsday9973 7 ай бұрын
@@skydancerforevershe’s an “attractive female” that means people rarely tell her no, and when they do she dosent want to hear it and it got her killed
@gxd4b1
@gxd4b1 7 ай бұрын
The weird thing is she wasnt all that attractive. Shes the classic, slap on so much makeup you can barely see the person underneath. @@doomsday9973
@brianwilson8119
@brianwilson8119 7 ай бұрын
The CFI appeared to be just as confused as she was
@briancooney9952
@briancooney9952 7 ай бұрын
her cfi seemed like he was just as far behind the aircraft as she was.
@AudioMasters
@AudioMasters 7 ай бұрын
He was. This guy is no instrument instructor.
@jmorrison5206
@jmorrison5206 7 ай бұрын
My CFII would have given me a “gentle nudge” long before we hit 900’ low on an approach waypoint. Yikes.
@19211926
@19211926 7 ай бұрын
So very sad. RIP Jenny and her dad.
@hzilla5550
@hzilla5550 7 ай бұрын
I was so bad, my instructor didn't let me solo until 40 hours in a Piper Tomahawk, with nothing but the bare bones instruments. After 200 hours, I realized I did not have what it takes to fly and stopped. My only two cents is that the first thing I wanted to know about the autopilot was to how deactivate it when I moved up to a Piper Warrior PA-160 and I would only engage it at level trimmed flight at sufficient altitude and when I was exactly on course.
@sammytheface8821
@sammytheface8821 7 ай бұрын
The Piper Tomahawk scared some of my fellow pilots, nicknamed the "Traumahawk"...."Squirrelly about the yaw axis" The Cessna 152, more solid, and with 2 people on board, easy to land on short field approach, whereas the Tomahawk, on same short field approach , would PRANG the runway HARD....(Tomahawk won't float like a Cessna, in the landing flare) Keeping "the turn coordinator "ball centered" in the tomahawk also trickier, After doing well in a Cessna, my Piper instructor yelled "KEEP THE BALL CENTERED! What are you trying to do?! KILL US?" Maybe if you learned in the Cessna, it may have been easier. And built your confidence. I learned in the Cessna, then got checked out in the Tomahawk. My pilot friends, said "I'm not getting in that thing!"
@hzilla5550
@hzilla5550 7 ай бұрын
@@sammytheface8821 indeed. When we were practicing stalls in the Tomahawk, my instructor told me to look quickly back at the tail, and it was shuttering all over the place, and I nearly freaked out. Strangely, or even miraculously, the Tomahawk has never been reported to have “shed its tail,” during stalls. I went to Air Combat uSA in Fullerton CA to try to shake my fears also John Wayne airport in Los Angeles. I think it was when they changed over to a new airspace back in 1990. Was in a Super Decathlon doing all kinds of aerobatics and everything, of course, with an instructor, but even after all of that, and four air combat excursions even at one point involving two versus one, and all kinds of crazy dogfight maneuvers, I could still never shake my uncertainties and so I had to quit. I was flying the Sia Marchetti, SF-260s in Air Combat USA. Jim Flagstone, a former US Airlines pilot was my check pilot there at air combat USA when it first started out.
@AudioMasters
@AudioMasters 7 ай бұрын
@@sammytheface8821 The PA 38 on flare you can add just a touch of power to smooth out the touchdown. I would think you wouldn't want to float on short field landing.
@sammytheface8821
@sammytheface8821 7 ай бұрын
@@AudioMasters You're correct, must "pounce firmly" on the runway for a true short field landing.... I spent too many hours in the Cessna, and was a pure rookie in the Tomahawk. And you're right again, a touch of power in the Tomahawk to smooth out landing.
@092155GW
@092155GW 7 ай бұрын
Doesn't the FAA look at CFI's, like this one, for incompetency issues? His incompetency is frightening, and deserves to be looked into in my opinion.
@KenJames9911
@KenJames9911 7 ай бұрын
She wasn't sharp enough to be a Pilot. I saw her videos before the crash and recognized the danger. Some people are just not cut out to fly airplanes. You may want to be a Surgeon or an NFL Quarterback, but not everyone has the skills...
@roviwoteap2375
@roviwoteap2375 7 ай бұрын
Exactly my thoughts too. But no one had the guts to tell her “NO.”
@ellisjames7192
@ellisjames7192 7 ай бұрын
That was my thought also. Not everybody has the aptitude to fly an airplane. She was one of those people. It seemed like her brain was always in overload.
@JB_Hobbies
@JB_Hobbies 7 ай бұрын
We all have bad flying days, but in her case, that CFI would have done her a favor to require her to get better with a rental Cessna before continuing training in the Beechcraft. And, I get that a constant speed prop feels super weird to transition over and can break your brain. Maybe that’s all she needed-some more time with a much slower fixed gear plane with a constant speed prop. That or basic PPL maneuvers in the Beechcraft before moving on to instrument flying.
@AudioMasters
@AudioMasters 7 ай бұрын
Its always a better idea to learn in maybe a 152 or PA-38 to master skills but one can learn in a HP plane as well. Its just quiet a bit more complicated and takes longer.
@QuantatativeStealing
@QuantatativeStealing 7 ай бұрын
I feel bad for thinking this, I'm only a very low hours student Pilot, but to me, she seemed completely lost and forgot the basics, obsession with the AP when she clearly wasn't competent to operate it, she reminded me of a new Driver trying to program a SATNAV while on the move, so sad to see her lose her and her fathers life over this.
@grayrabbit2211
@grayrabbit2211 7 ай бұрын
You're not wrong. Student pilots are expected to demonstrate competency above what she did to solo... let alone get their PPL or even other flying instrument or complex.
@ellisjames7192
@ellisjames7192 7 ай бұрын
She never learned the basics.
@AudioMasters
@AudioMasters 7 ай бұрын
SO like i said in the beginning she was not proficient enough to fly without and experienced pilot or CFI sitting beside her. The elevator trim 5 degrees out should have been an easy recovery for a pilot with 400 hours. So my take away is she stalled the plane, it nosed over and the first thing she probably did was haul back on the yoke with the power still on. I wonder if she ever did any power on and off stall training. An accident and two lives lost that could have been avoided if the CFI's had been blunt and told her she wasn't ready. I hope the NTSB investigates that flight school and the examiner who signed off on her PPL. They are very clearly and partly to blame for this.
@grayrabbit2211
@grayrabbit2211 7 ай бұрын
I encourage everyone to do REAL stall training with fully developed spins. It's a lot more terrifying than the gentle nose drop of training.
@AudioMasters
@AudioMasters 7 ай бұрын
@@grayrabbit2211 Exactly! Also dont be afraid to ask the school you sign up to take training to provide you with the CFI's experience. My opinion is look for the guy who is grey headed and grumpy old fart and choose him.
@eddiezetlein6582
@eddiezetlein6582 7 ай бұрын
@@AudioMasters I bet he wears brown trousers too.
@grayrabbit2211
@grayrabbit2211 7 ай бұрын
@@AudioMasters Also, fly with as many different pilots and CFIs as you can! I often hop in the back seat and observe various flights, students, and instructors. I learn a lot that way.
@bigB6flyer
@bigB6flyer 7 ай бұрын
She needed to have a lesson in basic aircraft control in vfr conditions looking outside. Then once that was mastered, a ground school on BAI flying. As the instructor, you can make a chart showing what pitch & power settings results in what performance (airspeed and fpm). After she memorized that, then you go out and fly that til it’s 2nd nature. Then & only then are they ready to start shooting approaches etc. Basically BAI boot camp. Too bad, unnecessary & tragic. Sad
@baxterharwell5353
@baxterharwell5353 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for an honest assessment. Prayers go out for her family.
@Redridge07
@Redridge07 7 ай бұрын
Interesting that none of these types of comments about her lack of skill are in the video comments before her crash. If people had been making these comments before the crash, it might have helped to safe her life.
@jllucci
@jllucci 7 ай бұрын
I'm sure she was the sort of woman that you could tell. You just couldn't tell her much.
@spikester
@spikester 7 ай бұрын
I've noted several comments that stood out in some of her videos from several months ago, and she made a sarcastic reply something along the lines of "i hope i could be as good as you someday'. EDIT: It was the one where the passenger door wasn't shut at takeoff, left ajar, commenter pointed out it was the pilot in commands job to ensure the doors are shut! Something a pre-flight checklist would cover.
@uploadJ
@uploadJ 7 ай бұрын
Well, some of those types of comments likely scrubbed themselves, by way of down votes from patrons and followers. This happens, and is a form of self-policing since these boards aren't 'manned'/reviewed in the traditional sense anymore.
@andreweker7576
@andreweker7576 7 ай бұрын
As much as the comments regarding culpability about the CFI are warranted, what about the FAA and their DPEs? Given the apparent lack of basic skills, it seems unlikely likely she could have passed the ACS expectations for private pilot checkride. There appear to be far too many pilots given their certificates that don’t understand the basic physics of aerodynamics and the operation of avionics and related systems like autopilots. Based on my first couple of CFIs at a 141 farm, many early (young) pilots are doing bare minimum to pass to a standard, without understanding it properly (since they can’t answer in depth questions when asked). An extension of currency vs proficiency, and surprising that the FAA and the DPEs are not mentioned more in the commentary to these types of accidents.
@jefferyyounce5372
@jefferyyounce5372 7 ай бұрын
After watching her videos, she in no way had the experience to be flying like she did. Way behind the airplane and clueless with the autopilot.
@dgillphotos
@dgillphotos 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this. safety and education is a constant in aviation.
@hueysegura6956
@hueysegura6956 7 ай бұрын
I don’t agree that they eliminated those bullet points, they said the damage was too extensive to determine anything.
@AudioMasters
@AudioMasters 7 ай бұрын
I highly doubt their final finding will deviate much from the preliminary findings. The videos she was shooting if they can reconstruct those will tell the final tale.
@dboss7239
@dboss7239 7 ай бұрын
CFIT for sure. 5 deg nose down trim could easily overwhelm the pilot if A/P switched off, and once airspeed rapidly increases, the control force to overcome this nose down trim would be near impossible to reverse on the yoke. Witness said it came in at 60 deg nose down angle and with 228 knot ground speed, plus 118 knots down (11,900 ft/min = 118 knots) at this angle yields an airspeed of 304 knots, which is 80 knots above Vne. Some people just do not have the right stuff to be pilots! It is a shame no one took her aside and explained she didn't possess the skill or acuity to do it, especially in this high performance beast! (it's nothing to do with male or female, there are lots of males I would not trust to change a toilet paper roll, let alone fly a plane)
@bishopdredd5349
@bishopdredd5349 7 ай бұрын
Thank you, I was wondering what the implications were of that 5 deg nose down trim at speed.
@theoriginalkaro
@theoriginalkaro 7 ай бұрын
Hopefully the recovered GoPros will yield footage to confirm this initial report and add further missing information. It is difficult to understand how these two people were so successful in their businesses and yet so clueless about something so unforgivable as flying pretty much in a lawn chair with balloons in a storm every time she went into the air.
@cl5080
@cl5080 7 ай бұрын
I’m a CFII, MEI, and female (only pertinent because I’m just waiting to hear the comments from the peanut gallery that WOMEN shouldn’t fly…or drive cars…) I have flown for almost 30 years. I’ve had one older male student who had problems fixating on an unreliable DG and went 60 degrees off course on the intermediate approach segment. Once corrected, he did okay. But then, he was on downwind for a normal landing, and his altitude was 200 feet low. When I said something about it, he fussed at me. Every time he has called ever since, inquiring about an IPC, I just begged off. I don’t have the heart to tell him why 😱 Not only was this young CFI a softie, which is fine, but he didn’t even try to correct her errors. He didn’t even seem like he knew where in the Sam Hill he was or what he was doing. He not only read back an incorrect heading, but altitude as well. Wow. How did any of these people pass checkrides???
@JamesWilliams-en3os
@JamesWilliams-en3os 7 ай бұрын
I have had some great female instructors, and I think this young woman would have benefited from one! It’s clear to me from her videos that Jenny was young, attractive, and very confident in herself. Her young male CFI’s were also young, and I suspect were twitterpated and more than a bit flattered to be chosen as the fight instructor of a popular KZfaqr. I strongly suspect that a competent female CFI would have been able to get Jenny squared away pronto.
@deanmorrical2055
@deanmorrical2055 7 ай бұрын
To echo the other comment….got my private, commercial 33 years ago and the 2 BEST instructors I had were women. Great pilots…great instructors. Incompetence (both pilot and CFI), not gender should be the only discussion points on this tragic accident
@cl5080
@cl5080 7 ай бұрын
@@JamesWilliams-en3os Yeah, I’d love to see a video of young dude with a male student. Hopefully we’ll never find out, as he might have chosen a different (safer) career path 🤣
@TheRebuilt1
@TheRebuilt1 7 ай бұрын
Very sad and the CFI should be ashamed. Having said that and following this story and those that tried to help her she rejected a lot of advise and help or thought she knew what she was doing. Not saying these instructors and others should have pushed her more but anyone who has dealt with stubborn or borderline narcissistic people know its hard to reach them sometime to their own demise.
@AudioMasters
@AudioMasters 7 ай бұрын
The instructor has the authority to ground someone who doesn't listen and preform well. So does the examiner.
@ChavngRynsPvts
@ChavngRynsPvts 7 ай бұрын
If I was her CFII I would've rescinded her HP/COMPLEX endorsement on the spot.
@86FxBdyCpe
@86FxBdyCpe 7 ай бұрын
One of her videos dated a month ago, which apparently wasn't completed, was titled "What could possibly go wrong", tells you everything you need to know about her careless behavior.
@fredhunter7129
@fredhunter7129 7 ай бұрын
This looks like a cfi problem, just a matter of time before an incident happened
@Bangbang-gl4xo
@Bangbang-gl4xo 7 ай бұрын
The CFI after this one, was actually not bad. Its going to be a good, yet somber lesson to all aviators, new/old and in between. Superior decision making, trumps superior skills, every f***n time. Really felt bad for her, as I watched her learn and progress over some months, and cheered her on, but the simple pitch/power training isnt there. Plenty of ppl have commented on her other videos to get a C172 or equivalent, Instagram, tiktok arent in the plane, fly the plane, you dont have command, the plane is commanding you, you're father isnt a pilot, etc.. Plenty of ppl with more money than sense, but a life is a life regardless.
@ggeorge4144
@ggeorge4144 7 ай бұрын
How can you say not bad? I have refused to sign many wealthy people off as they were highly in competent to fly anything. I got fired for it once. I had a man who owned a twin engine comanche, signed off by an instructor who admitted to me he wished he hadn't. He had crashed the last twin he owned claiming the nose wheel was weak. My boss wanted him checked out in our mooney while we painted his new twin. The minute the mooney left the ground his feet came off the rudder pedals and he rested them under the seat. He was incapable of steep turns, could not hold altitude without auto pilot. When we landed he pushed the nose right into the pavement and bounced 15 feet in the air. I caught it and landed safely. My boss was pissed because I refused to sign him off. My principles are far more important than money. I taught hundreds of people to fly and none of them died in a plane crash. That is where your focus as an instructor should be, I would not teach anyone whose main focus was to make videos or set records.
@On-Our-Radar-24News
@On-Our-Radar-24News 7 ай бұрын
100% agree! She should never have been in that airplane and her CFI should have his license revoked. He has no business teaching anyone to fly. This is tragic and the reason I will not sign anyone off on any initial certification or renewal unless they 100% meet the standards which clearly she did not and I wonder where this CFI is now? I would sure like a few words with him!!!
@privateer0561
@privateer0561 7 ай бұрын
CFI should have his license revoked.
@billhart8729
@billhart8729 7 ай бұрын
The DPE who signed off on PPL must have been too easy, also.
@737Parkie
@737Parkie 7 ай бұрын
Holy crap what the hell is wrong with this CFII? I instructed foreign students back in the 90s…..talk about challenging.
@roviwoteap2375
@roviwoteap2375 7 ай бұрын
Sadly, I think she concentrated too much on how to be a great “UTube star” and not a great pilot. Was more concerned with how she looked on camera. Such a tragic end for her and her family. The true price of fame.
@Redridge07
@Redridge07 7 ай бұрын
@roviwoteap2375 you can do both
@davidr.wilson8194
@davidr.wilson8194 7 ай бұрын
Wonder if her flight instructors will get in trouble.We all see,from her videos,she was not proficient,at aii,as a pilot.Now the NTSB states that she didn't meet minimum proficiency standards.
@maxtanicfilms
@maxtanicfilms 7 ай бұрын
Scary, how can someone leave her to this fate? It's criminal IMO.
@robdotcom71
@robdotcom71 7 ай бұрын
The CFI is not meeting any standards either.... it's amatuer hour there....
@garyplewa9277
@garyplewa9277 7 ай бұрын
When the money in the wallet exceeds the experience in the log book stuff likes this happens. She is just another example of this premise. Sad.
@grayrabbit2211
@grayrabbit2211 7 ай бұрын
I have no doubt her logbook said 400 hours like she claimed. I fail to see 400 hours' of flight time experience demonstrated in her videos though.
@oldcrackadated
@oldcrackadated 7 ай бұрын
I stoped watching her videos because she had no advancement beyond her first instruction flight , my conclusion was this was going to be the result when she was issued a license
@billhart8729
@billhart8729 7 ай бұрын
How did she pass for PPL?
@oldcrackadated
@oldcrackadated 7 ай бұрын
@@billhart8729 someone sure didn’t do their job in certification of her in all her videos it was like she was doing a flight simulator, she was never focused on outside of the aircraft , when she had the controls it always looked like she was in severe turbulent air
@sandhill9313
@sandhill9313 7 ай бұрын
Nobody EVER should activate an AP until they at least know how to turn the damn thing off and hand fly the aircraft, which she apparently did not know how to do. She really need a lot of practice hand flying without distractions, an understanding of when and how to trim in various phases of flight etc etc...she probably should have found some other activity to base her YT income on, she didn't seem to have any knack for flying, and I'm not sure that a LOT of time in a 172 WITHOUT ever turning on an AP would have given her the reflexes and understanding she needed to survive.
@eddiezetlein6582
@eddiezetlein6582 7 ай бұрын
Isn't there some rule that in a plane fitted with an AP there should ne a manual kept in the cockpit at all times ? Seems Jenny never read it if there was one. She whines that there are no videos on YT on how to operate it. Century have put it online for everyone to read, yet she didn't bother.
@Scott767300
@Scott767300 7 ай бұрын
Too much airplane. Too little experience. No pilot is immune. This has happened many times.
@Paul1958R
@Paul1958R 7 ай бұрын
Too much youtube/tiktoc/hey look at me. Not enough i really want to learn to fly.
@Scott767300
@Scott767300 7 ай бұрын
@@Paul1958R Yep…it’s serious business
@rachelburnside1667
@rachelburnside1667 7 ай бұрын
apparently and unfortunately she wasnt qualified/competent to pilot this aircraft
@brianchisnell1548
@brianchisnell1548 7 ай бұрын
Textbook example of in over your head.
@michaeldale4804
@michaeldale4804 7 ай бұрын
An "instructor" who can't even read back ATC directions accurately (150 vs 130hdg), clearly has ZERO clue where they even are on the approach, what the published approach segment altitudes were, appropriate aircraft reconfiguring (flaps) phase for a GAround, and likes to talk way too much, both to the student and ATC...Seriously? That sorry boy showed the situational awareness of at best a sea sponge. Sadly, I'd not be the least bit surprised to someday see him starring in an equally tragic accident report. If that clueless kid was typical of her "instructors" the poor woman was "trained" to be an accident waiting to happen...Words just fail me further.
@golfdoc1950
@golfdoc1950 7 ай бұрын
Analogous to the hordes of aspiring mountain climbers who pay $$ to summit Everest but lack experience and end up dead or crippled. Some people aren’t cut out to be pilots. No disgrace in admitting it. Very sad ending.
@davewood9888
@davewood9888 7 ай бұрын
Tragic events for sure but I can’t help feeling that sadly Jenny was an accident waiting to happen.
@joncox9719
@joncox9719 7 ай бұрын
Watching the first CFI did not doher and favors! Instead of teaching her how everything worked, he did the work forher. FAA should revoke his CFI License, he clearly saw she could not handle a complex aircraft and recomend she go back to say a C-172 until she had more experience! He basically set her up to die!
@TheFalconJetDriver
@TheFalconJetDriver 7 ай бұрын
It boils down to the fact that she exceeded her limitations! It is sad to say! 🤯🛫
@maryl923
@maryl923 7 ай бұрын
How on earth is that guy a CFI???? 😡
@easttexan2933
@easttexan2933 7 ай бұрын
What I don't understand is how two adults could not arrest a descent straight into the ground from 6000 ft. I had wished that the initial report would have found a structural defect (so much for the myth about the V Tail Bonanza not being strong). That she truly was not that incompetent but it does seem so. I had subscribed to her channel way back when cause she was easy on the eyes and it was interesting, but like most of you, I quickly realized she was way behind the plane. One of the keys to this, was the way she would start chewing her gum. It got slower and slower as she tried to think about what was happening and what to do about it. It's just so sad and was preventable. I hope some of the other young women pilots (FlyWithKay, Baron Pilot, Stevie Triesenberg) will watch these videos and learn from them, especially Baron Pilot. In my opinion she is another accident waiting to happen.
@billfly2186
@billfly2186 7 ай бұрын
Stevie is a CFI with about 700 hours. Somebody said TNFly girl had 400 hours, she didn't look like it.
@billhart8729
@billhart8729 7 ай бұрын
Kay gives a first impression of a bubblehead, but some of her videos show real competence. The one where she turned around due to a bad gauge reading showed she understood her airplane systems and had good radio skill.
@easttexan2933
@easttexan2933 7 ай бұрын
@@billfly2186 No she didn't. Her accident is a puzzle to me. I've never experienced excessive trim to the point I couldn't over power it with a little muscle. I just think there was something else going on. Just my opinion.
@easttexan2933
@easttexan2933 7 ай бұрын
@@billhart8729 I agree with your last statement. Just don't understand why these young women have to talk on the radio so darn fast. Maybe being 77 has a lot to do with my not understanding lol. True Story: been following Kay for about 6-8 months and about a month ago I made a comment that I would like to see her pre take off check list include some AQP thoughts, like; what to do on a take off abort, what to do when the engine fails at low altitude, etc. I steered her to Probable Cause, Blancolirio, Flywire for help. My reward? She reported me. 24 hour comment ban on YT. Two days later I commented that I was only trying to help her be safer, etc. Another 24 hour comment ban. I think she is a very capable pilot but she is at that age where life is immortal and everything "looking good". Really? I mean if Richard McSpadden can buy it, no one is above a little extra training, in my humble opinion. Wish her well.
@dermick
@dermick 7 ай бұрын
@@easttexan2933 You are doing the right thing by trying to help these young pilots. My early CFIs just told it like it is. When we were doing something stupid, they said so, and explained how that stupid thing will get us killed one day if we keep doing it. "You can lead a horse to water..."
@waynejh
@waynejh 7 ай бұрын
Good video. FYI Your mic was too far up from your month. The CFI was clueless and shouldn’t have been instructing anyone! She didn’t seem to respond to anything. Just stared at the panel like she didn’t know what she was looking at! Shame, real shame!
@maxtanicfilms
@maxtanicfilms 7 ай бұрын
Yeah I messed up on the mic there oops. I agree with your points.
@BridMhor
@BridMhor 7 ай бұрын
One factor is that she owned the plane, so telling her what to do was more difficult. She wasn't accountable to anybody. As a business woman she probably thought getting a cheap young instructor was a good economic decision. I can't imagine he had a lot of happy clients. In one video all he did was take photos, some at her behest.
@CrewGuyPJ
@CrewGuyPJ 7 ай бұрын
Sadly, she had no idea of how to properly operate the autopilot. Add to that her constant trim issues. I agree with the OP, she wasnt ever "out front of the plane"..she was always "behind it".
@grayrabbit2211
@grayrabbit2211 7 ай бұрын
She didn't know how to operate an airplane. As to whether that's her fault or the CFIs is up for debate, but what isn't is that she had no business being in the left seat as PIC
@eddiezetlein6582
@eddiezetlein6582 7 ай бұрын
@@grayrabbit2211 A famous rule in aviation goes something like this : "Never point your airplane anywhere your brain hasn't been 5 minutes earlier" That would have been a good one for her to consider.
@pittss2c601
@pittss2c601 7 ай бұрын
Two things make a great pilot: Skill & Judgement. Too many pilots fly with their trim tab and autopilot. Stop staring at the instrument panel.
@leam1966
@leam1966 7 ай бұрын
her instructors saw a pretty girl and that's the problem no one would tell her you cant fly !! she did not have the skill but that's clearly the flight school or what ever's fault. I feel bad for her and family's misfortune
@_Access_Denied_101
@_Access_Denied_101 7 ай бұрын
She stopped using the better CFI for some reason.
@mmoly-cj4bd
@mmoly-cj4bd 7 ай бұрын
Maybe he was honest in his evaluation of her skills, if he mentioned them at all, and she did not like his comments.
@_Access_Denied_101
@_Access_Denied_101 7 ай бұрын
My thoughts too.
@JIMJAMSC
@JIMJAMSC 7 ай бұрын
A majority of my ifr training I would demonstrate on the ground before we even took to the air. For one reason I was a linemen slinging avgas/JetA and couldn't afford any "duh" moments while training. Any time spent going "what" got expensive. For sure you learned a/c systems/ap/procedures/routes/a plan etc before getting that Hobbs moving and ATC staring at you in the air.
@bluegrassboy
@bluegrassboy 7 ай бұрын
I'm just an arm chair aviation enthusiast, but I have watched many, many flying videos here on YT the last couple of years. That said, I have noticed that a good number of CFIs in those videos are relatively young. Young enough for me to notice and think, if I was learning to fly, I think I'd like an older instructor, someone with more experience. Goggle says the minimum age requirement for a CFI is 18 years of age. Should that be increased?
@grayrabbit2211
@grayrabbit2211 7 ай бұрын
Experience and discipline, rather than age, is what makes a good pilot. I've flown with pilots who were in their 60s who I won't fly with again due to sloppy airmanship. I've flown with 25 year olds who were very much by-the-book.
@uploadJ
@uploadJ 7 ай бұрын
@@grayrabbit2211 Surprisingly, did you just make the case for 'upping the age' for a CFI when you state "Experience and discipline", as with age comes some 'experience'?
@grayrabbit2211
@grayrabbit2211 7 ай бұрын
@@uploadJ No. Age != experience. One of the most uncomfortable flights I had was with a pilot who was almost 2x my age, and he got behind the airplane. Instrument flight. I was still a student pilot at the time, not even IFR rated, and I was keeping up better with the instrument work than he was.
@uploadJ
@uploadJ 7 ай бұрын
@@grayrabbit2211 re: " Age != experience. " Yeah, you missed my point. Have a good day. (You have not 'arrived' yet at a mature position.)
@MoranInRealLife
@MoranInRealLife 7 ай бұрын
No blame and no judgement on the people, but I see faults in the instruction and processes that allowed Jenny to progress before she was ready. She didn’t know what she didn’t know and was relying on the training and trainers as guardrails. Guardrails work by guiding away from the danger, just like Jenny’s training should have guided her to focus on basic skills.
@jonheredia8789
@jonheredia8789 7 ай бұрын
That CFI was in other videos with her.... something just didn't seem right about this guy as an instructor....he seemed like just someone who was along for the ride and not really teaching her anything..... I wonder what he thinks now about two people who are now dead.
@jllucci
@jllucci 7 ай бұрын
Probably a typical dude. In the back of his mind daydreaming about doing a few " horizontal Touch-and-goes" with her so indulged her flying even though he knew her skills weren't up to snuff. He figured someone else would be the asshat to pull her aside and piss on her parade, but he'll take the money and enjoy being about 5,000 feet with a pretty lil thing.
@grayrabbit2211
@grayrabbit2211 7 ай бұрын
I'm sure he still has his head buried in his phone like he did in the videos, scrolling through social media.
@UTarcher72
@UTarcher72 7 ай бұрын
If the NTSB has data from her cameras, I'm sure they know exactly what happened. Probably not fun footage to watch.
@captainkttyhwk
@captainkttyhwk 7 ай бұрын
Well you said it...time to blame the CFI's. He was horrible, a joke, scary. Allowing her (both of them) to descend 900 ft low, when they were instructed to be at 2,500 ft? What the actual phuque!!! Flaps. left down in the climb, duh! Neither one belonged as PIC.
@Rizzbulla
@Rizzbulla 7 ай бұрын
Someone is hiding/deleting her videos on her page. Maybe a lawsuit inbound?
@flyinghedgehog3833
@flyinghedgehog3833 7 ай бұрын
Rule 1 Aviate Rule 2 See Rule 1 Hope the CFI is never let loose in an Airline...
@sniper1967
@sniper1967 7 ай бұрын
Very good analysis. I was baffled that she used the autopilot without reading the manual first… and yes she was wayyy behind the plane at every step. Maybe it’s a good thing all this isn’t mentioned in the media. It would be embarrassing to our community.
@OhMySack
@OhMySack 7 ай бұрын
So many questions still! First, how in the world did she pass her PPL Practical with an Examiner? Seriously! This goes back to at least this point.
@jllucci
@jllucci 7 ай бұрын
I can guess.. she probably smiled alot and batted her eyes.
@OhMySack
@OhMySack 7 ай бұрын
​@jllucci Possibly. She lost me at the painted on eyebrows and airbrushed face paint. 😐
@michael2782
@michael2782 7 ай бұрын
What is the culpability of the license examiner? When I took both my instrument and commercial exams in my Piper Arrow III the examiner made me demonstrate that I knew the AP since it was part of the aircraft. All aircraft equipment as well as the proficiency of the pilot should be demonstrated.
@OhMySack
@OhMySack 7 ай бұрын
​@michael2782 I don't know what her training started in but I'm going to venture a guess, it was definitely not a Debonair. If she had just a PPL, she would have had only one encounter with an Examiner on her PPL Checkride and possibly in a Cherokee or Cessna? I'm pretty sure she didn't have her Instrument ticket so use of the A/P would not have come across an examiner's radar. Again, just a guess. I don't know how she started.
@michael2782
@michael2782 7 ай бұрын
@@OhMySack All true. Still I doubt she would have passed a PPL exam without better basic flying skills.
@publicname515
@publicname515 7 ай бұрын
What happened to the digital recording devices on board? Were they not reviewed?
@Eubanksproductions
@Eubanksproductions 7 ай бұрын
Absolutely pathetic! She was so concentrated on just flying the plane while the CFI handles all the communication and instrumentation verification. This was just a classic case of "an accident waiting to happen".
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