This video will save you a lot of money. Dust extractors for beginners.
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Жыл бұрынIs the Festool CT Midi Dust Extractor any better than a standard shop vac? Let's find out.
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@BlacktailStudio Жыл бұрын
Really interesting video man! Nice to see the honest feedback on festool and some side by side comparisons.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
*picks himself up off the floor* *cough* Thank you Cam! Can't believe you watched. Or even commented. Thanks for not trolling me. I'd have to screen shot you at the end of my next video. That would be embarrassing.
@CraigularjJoeWoodworks Жыл бұрын
@@wittworks worlds funniest reply
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
@@CraigularjJoeWoodworks Ha! I forgot I did that.
@janeblogs324 Жыл бұрын
What's really interesting is the vacuum cleaner can use 6.5hp when the wall outlet can only supply 3hp. Free energy technology!
@michaelrobinson9643 Жыл бұрын
@@wittworks I think You are often too self-deprecating good man. You may fuck up (in big ways at times) yet you also succeed in amazing outcomes, have the courage to share those challenges (that most will not) and how you get around them becomes a teaching moment within your presentation style. Having a smaller following doesn't have to be like having a smaller dick... you can still walk through the men's changeroom with pride knowing your product will be recognised as big potential, and in time will grow. No surgery required.
@jsmxwll Жыл бұрын
The more loaded a filter is, the better if filters. The tradeoff is the lack of airflow that comes with it being loaded. The particulate that is caught acts as additional filter material, and so long as you can maintain airflow, it should filter more effectively than if it was brand new. You can think of a metal grate with 1" holes and dumping gravel over it. The larger rocks will create smaller gaps that will sometimes catch rocks below the 1" hole size. With filtration you are dealing with viscosity, static bonding, and a few other things as well but it works as a basic metaphor.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Yep. That is my suspicion. Got a new filter to test against.
@GregsWorkshopOregon Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Guess we got a solid idea for a follow up video!
@2shay550 Жыл бұрын
Well put sir 👏
@Splits-man Жыл бұрын
Well said! 👍
@jaredhuber7359 9 ай бұрын
I work in the field as a finish carpenter most of the time, and I personally enjoy the feeling of pulling up to a clients jobsite breaking out my Festool setup and seeing the look of confidence and excitement in their eyes. Furthermore, the clean-up process of owning Festool is beyond worth it. I can cut a 20' stick of material, get it on the wall, and have my setup broke down in 10 minutes...enough said. BTW I'm 53 yrs old and work alone.
@wittworks 9 ай бұрын
Well said! That's the reason they exist. Whats funny is some people have commented saying "if someone shows up with festool I know I hired a fool". I think the opposite. That look of confidence you speak of is EVERYTHING, and proof that you found a wise client. Best of luck on your work! Massive respect. 💥
@Ekrindul 4 ай бұрын
Are all your customers woodworkers? Most people have no idea that Festool even exists.
@AsTheWheelsTurn 2 ай бұрын
I am an install manager for a cabinet dealer, we hire subcontractors for cabinet installs and one of the first things that will catch my attention is the tools people are using, if you roll up with a few crappy ryobi tools and harbor freight levels in the back of a pickup truck (this has happened ....) I am not going to feel very confident that you will be paying any real attention to detail or that you actually know what you are doing, a good craftsman will buy good tools and they do it for a reason, they are more accurate , the cost of them should not be too much of a problem if you make a living doing that kind of work.
@AsTheWheelsTurn 2 ай бұрын
they may not know what the brand is but the look of it shows that a person is organized and has invested in their tools. trust me I manage cabinet installs for a large cabinet dealer and the guys we have that are set up with festool or Milwaukee where everything is very organized and matching without a doubt breed much more confidence with clients. and from my perspective it is an indicator that that person is actually paying attention to detail and dedicated to their craft because they invested money in it, it also lets you know they MAKE money ....compared to some cowboy hack that rolls up with some busted up tools and leaves a huge mess behind .@@Ekrindul
@matty7758 2 ай бұрын
Janne Virtannen was the world strongest man he was also a Finnish carpenter. Had big hands 👐
@MagicianOfOz Жыл бұрын
One very likely reason the old shopvac had a lower output of very small particles is that the filter is clogged, which actually increases it's ability to filter things out, but at the cost of air throughput (and thus worse suction). If you want to further test that you could simply repeat the test for yourself with the festool turned down to the lowest speed, and compare it to itself on highest speed.
@alphaforce6998 Жыл бұрын
But if it has enough suction to keep up with the waste from the tools, then it's still a better value even with lower suction...as it's not releasing a higher amount of fine particles than the more expensive options.
@Auto209 Жыл бұрын
@@alphaforce6998but what about the fine particles near the tool where the person is breathing? The scan is getting live data at one point. We’d need to have probably 2 at least to see the full scope of the air quality with these filters/vacs
@Befread 6 ай бұрын
wouldn't a better test be to put his airflow meter on the exhaust? that would show if the old vacuum is outputting the same amount of air as the new Festool or the new vacuum?
@terrydanks 5 ай бұрын
@@alphaforce6998 Seems a thoroughly clogged shop vac filter makes a pretty good HEPA filter! DANG! 😄I just changed out my filter recently!
@adharshvanchi 4 ай бұрын
Agreed! Would love to see another test where air flow rate was held constant among the participants bc it stands to reason that high airflow means more particles are being processed through the system.
@Devil-Made Жыл бұрын
Can’t thank you enough for your honesty. I’ve been researching and trying to figure out which vac to purchase for about 3 mos now. Every time I make up my mind I learn something new. You helped clear my mind a bit and keep me focused on what really matters and I can’t thank you enough. Thank you!
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you Brandon! What did you go with? I point all the trolls to this comment when they say the video is trash 😉
@Brandon-rc9vp Жыл бұрын
Good video, one note - the anti-static hose isn't about shocks, it is about dust not sticking electrostatically to the hose. Lots of static electricity is generated when moving air over an insulator, good industrial antistatic dust collection systems have conductive piping that is grounded through a 6-8 MOhm resistance to allow the static to dissapate.
@jeffmastin Жыл бұрын
If I am using a plastic hose, can I use a section of metal hose with the ground attached?
@mjolnirswrath23 Жыл бұрын
Or just use a secondary hose and venturi manifold to mitigate static transference...
@michaelrobinson9643 Жыл бұрын
Precipitation static (P-Static) is in the hose and the dust particles. Dissipating it if the hose is not conductive would be best done how? A metal section that's grounded partway in the run or before the cyclone? Static in the cyclone can be effective too as a means of reducing dust velocity. I wonder where that leaves the options for a tool -> cyclone -> vac setup with soft hosing?
@cjsawinski 10 ай бұрын
@@jeffmastinyou can use some scrap wire on the hose, just ground it somehow… problem solved with scrap
@Wellspicedchaffinch 8 ай бұрын
Well it's that but also any static spark can ignite dust particles and make your workshop explode... So... it's a LITTLE about the static sparking/shocks...
@chrisoconnell8432 Жыл бұрын
The results you got in your test make perfect sense. In a lab setting where you could completely isolate the air coming out of the filter, you'd see much lower 0.3 micro scores from the HEPA filters. But in a garage setting the sensor is picking up all the air in the garage, not just the air coming from the shop vac. I bet you could place the sensor anywhere in the room and you'd get similar results. One thing you missed in your test was a control where you cut/sand some wood without any shop vac running and see how sensor results compare. It'd also be beneficial the test with the sensor as close to your face as possible. It really doesn't matter if the air coming out of the shop vac is cleaner, it matters if the air going into your lungs is cleaner.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Great thoughts.
@geraldaugustus739 Жыл бұрын
That would be a fair point, except across tests each vacuum was still showing relative consistency. If you test 3 vacuums 3 times and your results have a consistent relationship that suggests even if the room is having an impact (which it certainly is) there is still a correlation showing.
@sanderd17 Жыл бұрын
@@geraldaugustus739 There's definitely a correlation on dust particle output. But the question is how important it is when compared to other parameters (like suction). Are you better off with a vac that has great filtering, but with a lower suction (so more can escape at the tool), or are you better when a vac that has great suction but little filtering? It may depend a lot on the placement of your vacuum too. You're usually pretty close to the tool, but the vacuum can be further away, quite often with the exhaust turned away from you.
@ipick4fun27 Жыл бұрын
I always have this thought. Run a long hose and have the show vac on the outside of the workshop/garage or a separate compartment that dumps the air to outside.
@devgru1079 Жыл бұрын
Well who the hell cares what the isolated air results are, the air I'm breathing is obviously the open garage air
@jermainewilson4469 Жыл бұрын
Now to start I'm a hand tool wood worker ever since I started carpentry 15yrs ago and I just fell in Love with working with wood more than any other aspect of the trade, but more by hand and what people would call rudimentary, archaic and slow going I called simple straight to the point but closer to our ancestors and I'm just turning 50, but I digress. I enjoy your content. I enjoy it not only because you are humorous in your own way that I and probably many others get, also that you are informative in what you present to us your viewers and that is what I enjoy and that is what will keep me coming back to your (Witt) content. But with that being said, I am not taking away or insulting what machine woodworkers do at allthis is why I enjoy hand tool wood working. I just want think about how the wood and I can work together, not how the wood can harm me now or affect me later. But like I said I enjoy your content I will keep watching and I am a subscriber. please keep up the great
@Aaron-nj4ou Жыл бұрын
I have been using a rigid vac with the filter/ bag combo for 10 years and it is easily one of my best purchases ever. I also have asthma and consider the bag/ filer mandatory in a shop vac which I learned the hard way (read blew drywall dust all over my house). I find the Festool prices completely unrealistic for myself a hobbyist who enjoys living under a roof. Another great video. I need to start a channel so I can justify all of these cool tool purchases to myself and my spouse👍
@ShaneTheGeek 8 ай бұрын
I used my Rigid vac prior to thinking about bags while working on my house and that was a mistake. I quickly purchased new filters and bags. Boy what a difference! I want to pick up one of those diffusers to quiet the monster :)
@alexisdagr8est 6 ай бұрын
As a beginner that will be building my own workspace in my shed over the next year or so, this was really informative. Thanks for including and mentioning items like the auto on switch with 5 seconds turn off and the extractor/sound muffler etc. didn’t know these existed and I would really consider getting them. This really helps in understanding what I should be getting and budgeting for.
@FisherCatProductions Жыл бұрын
It's been 45 years since college, but I have a background in science and lab results. Your comparisons are quite valid, even if your meter is not deadly accurate. True, you may not be able to trust the quantitative numbers the meter is showing. As long as they are consistent, however, you can make a valid, qualitative comparison that "A cleans the air better/worse than "B". You have convinced me!
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@dbf1dware 16 күн бұрын
I agree. Valid analysis. Precise? Not really. Valid? Absolutely.
@averagejoe4521 6 ай бұрын
THANK YOU! This is saving me a lot of money. I just have a small shop. I don't need a lot of dust extraction. This video has convinced me I am on the right path building a small dust collection system.
@frankparsley1913 Жыл бұрын
I have both the rigid and the festool. The Rigid might be the loudest thing in the shop. I run both through a dust deputy. Really helps keep the filters clean
@731Woodworks Жыл бұрын
One of the best, in depth videos I’ve watched in a long time. Great job 👏
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you bro! 🤜💥🤛
@615installations Жыл бұрын
You know… I sure do appreciate your humility in your approach to this video… I’m not a Festool guy; actually a Milwaukee guy… but you’re not wrong! Presentation is just as much as important as your work performed… even if customers don’t know/appreciate the difference. My additional expense in tools far surpasses my cost in time spent on the job; at the end of the day, it comes down to professionalism and profits. Thank you fro your content and I appreciate it!!!
@AsTheWheelsTurn 2 ай бұрын
I think a lot of Milwaukee ! I think it looks good to show up with decent tools , organized and clean
@allanredmond9937 Жыл бұрын
Love the honest, non bias evaluation of the Festool dust extractor. Thank you!
@Ketogenicinfo Жыл бұрын
I love your testing and I love your honesty. You increase your credibility by admitting that your results might not be perfect.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@BlakePizzey Жыл бұрын
Love this video! I had it on my list to do but you killed it and now saved me $1500! FYI to compare CFM just multiply your speed (ft/min) x your cross sectional area of the hose (ft2).
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thanks Blake! Send your kids to college.
@marysamuelson5221 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video I love it! I have an old rigid shop vac and was planning on buying a much more expensive one. I do a lot of woodworking mostly refinishing old furniture. I have a little dog who likes to hang out with me but she’s 13 years old and I worry about her health as well as my own. I just purchased a Surfprep sander and was concerned about hooking it up to my rigid shop vac. Now I know I’m safe and can even sand inside, if need be. I’m a single mom and I have a daughter in college you just saved me some money! Thank you thank you thank you!
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@bed28391 Жыл бұрын
Great video, and very thorough! In order to eliminate some question, you could test the new rigid without HEPA filters, (with standard filters), and test the old rigid with new standard filters. Someone commented below that they weren't surprised because, "in a garage setting the sensor is picking up all the air in the garage, not just the air coming from the shop vac". That just further validates your test. What you care about IS the air "anywhere in your garage" and it will likely never be worse than where you checked. There could be some locations that are more closed in that do collect a little more, but in general, you covered the bases. The old rigid and the new rigid are perfectly safe for the average person. The only remaining question to me would be the accuracy of the measurement tool. You did some work to validate that and your results were consistent on multiple tests and so I think that answers the question. The tool could be off an order of magnitude but the result is still the same, the rigid setup works as well as the more expensive unit. I think you nailed it. I am just now setting up a workshop that I have wanted for decades and considering what type of dust collection would be appropriate. Thanks for the great work.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you Ed!
@thomastieffenbacherdocsava1549 Жыл бұрын
Very nice set of pros and cons. Many years ago I was on this journey of health and cleanliness. I realized I was sensitive to oak dust off gassing from a friends shop heater. He didn't believe me but when his grandson had same reaction???? I also opted for the Grizzly air filter. Jet makes them and you can make your own. Yeah wood costs are nuts. We can exercise control in our own environments. Became a subscriber.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. Good stuff. Welcome aboard!
@Hvn1957 Жыл бұрын
Great video. I often work inside pipe organs, where dust is an enemy. I bought a Fein MiniTurbo twenty years ago, and use it with the HEPA style bags. It’s quiet, and clean. I’ve always hated those ShopVac machines, primarily because they’re noisy; however, they do the job for which they’re designed. Recently, I bought both a newer Fein and a Festool CT15. So, I get a lot of what you’re saying. I believe the most important conclusion you made is the one about professional vs consumer grade tools. It’s not a judgement on whether the user is actually a “professional “. It’s how the tool performs in all ways, from little details to smart motors. After forty years in a craft/trade, I can easily say I’ll pick the professional grade tools every time, whether they’re for my garage shop, or my job sites.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
That’s awesome. Thank you for sharing.
@muskokaneditor Жыл бұрын
Great video. My wife is a potter, I'm an amateur woodworker, and her kilns and my shop share the same garage space. So air quality is a big issue for us... not a big enough issue that we've done anything more than blame each other for the dust in the garage, of course, but your video has given us a lot to think about. Thanks man.
@Dolfan0925 Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this video. I have almost the exact same setup as your old setup, with the dust deputy, and I'm just in a 2 car garage with the door open and fans blowing. I feel more like I'm not going to die now. :)
@allenhess6583 Жыл бұрын
Thank You for your consideration in making this video. Very nicely researched, narrated, explained. I trust your measurements, most of us are hobbyist in nature and don’t spend 40 hours a week in the workshop so it’s not perfect but it’s good enough. Greetings from Maine
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you Allen!
@MarcosElMalo2 Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that his test is for his machines in his work environment. YMMV with your air filtration system. Still, anecdotal evidence is still evidence (it’s just less statistically significant). The thing with the expensive Festool is that I think it’s high probability that 1) Festool did extensive rigorous testing to meet 2) high EU safety standards. Let’s face it, at some point we have to trust other people’s expertise. We do it all the time when we use a microwave, get into a car, even use electricity. We can’t safety test everything. So we rely on the expertise of others to test the safety of a lot of stuff. I just don’t have the money to get a Festool air filtration system*. Even if I could put it on my credit card, the interest rates are killing me. So my low cost solution is to continue to use my shop vac AND wear a KN95 or N95 mask. And keep my shop space well ventilated. * The cheapest (CT 15) I can find on Mexican Amazon cost 16,529 pesos or $835 in U.S. dollars.
@garyconway439 Жыл бұрын
The old rigid clogged filter, I imagine it being clogged increased its small particle capture rate. Thanks for the very interesting NTD thoughtful review. Nice work. I have the Festool for peace of mind.
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I really like your delivery and honesty! Good job and keep going!
@fugixi Жыл бұрын
Love this video. Well made and clearly unbiased. I have a CT MIDI myself as a home owner, mainly for built in Bluetooth, HEPA and easy connecting to Festool track saw. The price sure was felt, but does not regret it one second.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@AGlimpseInside Жыл бұрын
Man this is really thorough. Great video brother. You have a synchronicity of timing is pretty crazy sometimes. Thanks for going into such depth. You’re right though we only have one set of lungs. That Internet itself should be worth even spending 50 bucks on something. Nice work brother
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thanks bro! Congrats on your success.
@nzer19 Жыл бұрын
I made the mistake of doing home DIY for years without a Festool dust extractor. Best tool I’ve bought by far.
@marksoutham2481 Жыл бұрын
Agreed - I finally bought a Festool MIDI, along with ETS sander. Unbelievable how effective that is at capturing sanding dust - no more sanding dust in the air, or film of sawdust collecting on everything after even a short sanding session. Committing to spending that much was tough, but after using it - no buyers regret from me. Wish I could have afforded this years ago.
@Everydaycarpentery 8 ай бұрын
Man dust extraction is a blessing! I personally use both the ridged strictly for my table saw and a festool with my miter saw. Every tool has its purpose every person has their need
@IRBry 10 ай бұрын
i appreciate how you do these videos you don’t fake you tell it how it is which is so rare these days, i will continue to sub and watch because your unique take on stupid shit i get obsessed with too lol thanks man you saved me so much money
@mehdimarashi1736 Жыл бұрын
Hey man, nice video! I noticed something you didn't discuss, and that's that 50% more air velocity you got from the festool. If the air hoses have the same inside diameter, 50% more velocity means 50% more cfm. 50% more cfm means 50% more of the HEPA-filtered clean air you need to breath safely. Imagine your workshop with 8000 cubic feet of air inside of it. You measured the air quality near the exhaust of the vacuum, which is arguably the cleanest air you have in the whole workshop. The festool sucks 50% more of the dusty air near your tools, and that's important, too. So, you have a solid advantage for the extra money you paid. Don't feel you wasted money and gained nothing except a logo and a smaller more convenient system. The air you gained might not be much cleaner, but you have 50% more of it.
@michaelrobinson9643 Жыл бұрын
Internal dia is not the only component. Resistance and turbulence will influence the outcome too?
@mehdimarashi1736 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelrobinson9643 What I'm saying is that air discharge = "area section of the air jet" times "average air velocity". Resistance reduces the velocity. Turbulence changes the velocity distribution in the jet, but in the video he is measuring some sort of an average velocity and omits the distribution. My analysis is not perfect, but it shows the bigger picture correctly (at least as much as I understand what is going on). If we know the air velocity, inside diameter gives us air flow, and here we have a measure of velocity if not the velocity itself.
@michaelrobinson9643 Жыл бұрын
@@mehdimarashi1736 all good. I'm trying to get around in my head how much the ribbed hoses may influence vs using smooth hoses (aside from them hoarding dust in the ribs). It's been years since I did this stuff from first principles so I'm enquiring not criticising :)
@mehdimarashi1736 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelrobinson9643 No problems at all. It has a huge effect. The ribs get filled with dust and chips and whatnot, and give a very rough surface compared to a smooth hose. Do you remember the f factor in Darcy-Weisbach equation? It increases with the roughness. Extra roughness + reduced pipe section = huge losses. I'm guessing it has even bigger effect than that, but that's above my pay grade.
@bertaboy Жыл бұрын
I was surprised at how much louder my shop vac was after adding the orange dust separator. I debated building my own separator, but after accounting for all the parts and time, it was a no-brainer to just buy something. Definitely not nirvana, but at least my ear muffs have FM radio!
@barbarastein6693 8 ай бұрын
Excellent video. Feels like professional quality. I've watched A LOT of these in search of the perfect shop vac. A lot of them are really terrible. Yours is perfectly edited. Thank you for making a video that was informative, consise, and funny. You have a new subscriber!
@tobba748 11 ай бұрын
Super video, thanks for all the details. So far (just above beginner level), have been connecting a Karcher WD6 to sanders, jigsaw and mitre saw, with the best extraction on the sander by far (virtually none gets away). I think the next step might be a cyclone set-up, but it's encouraging that with a good shop vac + mask, we're probably safe enough. Although the shop would still need a good vacuuming every so often to keep down dust in the air.
@acerjuglans383 Жыл бұрын
More than a comprehensive review here. You, sir, are a rockstar for doing all this.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Aw, shucks. Thank you Acer. Can I forward all the troll comments to you? 🫣
@acerjuglans383 Жыл бұрын
@@wittworks lol, I get my share elsewhere.
@willfishing5605 Жыл бұрын
I think you hit the nail on the head. If you're a professional, installing cabs or something similar in someone's house, the festool is a no Brainer. If you're a home garage woodworker, your literally throwing your money away
@RogerVanParys 19 күн бұрын
Excellent video! I am a 84 year old beginner so contracting an illness that I don't currently have is probably not going to shorten the time on my clock... That said, your points are very well taken... I am installing a Powertec dust control system and looking at the Ridgid as a vacuum source married with a Dustopper Pro. This system worked well in another shop and since I live in Mexico, I have the opportunity to turn expensive lumber into more expensive sawdust...Luckily I can recycle my sawdust into another hobby... Love your videos, keep them coming...
@bergenbroodryk8103 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time, its a compelling experiment!
@bearlemke Жыл бұрын
This is great. I actually use the rigid 6.5 horsepower with duststopper and hepa bag/filter for my job site dust collection. I use a very basic and cheap remote control plug and remote that stays on my work belt so I always have vacuum control.
@patrickavondale8653 Жыл бұрын
Huge tip on the diffuser! Definitely need to get one of these, can’t believe I’ve never heard of this before. Great video
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you nick. I’ve had it for years and it makes it much quieter
@watermain48 Жыл бұрын
During a restoration project at our home recently the dry wall guy came in with a shop vac, no filter or HEPA bag and hand sanded a wall in our kitchen. We were cleaning up dry wall dust throughout our house for the next two days. Great video, thanks for taking the time (and spending the money) to make it.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
oh yeah. that's where festools drywall vac is the best
@Doesitslap101 Жыл бұрын
@@wittworks which one works best for sanding cabinets so there is no dust
@stephen1137 Жыл бұрын
You need to send that drywall contractor a bill for your inconvenience and time. One thousand dollars would be about right.
@tbenson9394 Жыл бұрын
Definitely impacted my decision on how much I will spend on dust collection. Thanks
@NWGR Жыл бұрын
Great video! After using regular shop vacs for years, I bought a ct midi with bt remote and it's probably one of the top 3 tool purchases I ever made. Worth every penny. The festool cyclone is only worth it for the convenience of stacking it on the midi; it does not perform as well as a dust deputy. Doing it all over, I'd skip the cheap vacs (maybe keep one around as a "beater") and go straight for a legit dust extractor. The midi has so many useful and amazing features for a serious hobbyist/pro.
@sourceofuniversallove1449 Жыл бұрын
Could you clarify midi? I plan on doing work in my as more or less a hobby and am curious to how much attention should be placed in this department.
@NWGR Жыл бұрын
@@sourceofuniversallove1449 The CT Midi I; it's the current corded model with integrated bluetooth. You still have to buy the bluetooth remote, but it's only $46 as opposed to the $82 you'd have to spend on the receiver+remote set needed to upgrade the CT26/36/48. Best dust extractor I've ever used. I was using my RTS 400 sander connected to the Midi in my mancave to sand the edge of a new desktop and there was no airborne dust at all.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
I have the ct midi (not the mini)
@Tiger2000Lion2005 Жыл бұрын
I have both the rigid and festool. Love my festool with blutooth for woodworking particles. Love rigid for larger rough stuff
@pichiekyle Жыл бұрын
Seriously good content quality. Great review overall as well. The edits were clean and the visuals were professional. Thank you for the quality content again!
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Appreciate it!
@markkempton4579 Жыл бұрын
I have no idea why KZfaq showed me your video, but I enjoyed this and subscribed! Thanks for the honesty down-to-earth attitude.
@SirMikeB Жыл бұрын
College. Thanks for the review - fun to watch. I'm glad you mentioned the cost to build vs buy.
@drewfoxworthy1057 Жыл бұрын
Man Drew, I should have gotten a bourbon before I started this video! I agree totally with what you say. Also, my CT 26 died after a year or so, and Festool rebuilt it, and returned it to me in 3 days, over a holiday weekend, at no cost ; Nada. Keep them coming buddy
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
You can always pour a dirty one and re watch 🤣 That’s some customer service! Ain’t getting that from HD… Thank you!
@silenthill5794 Жыл бұрын
I just bought the cyclone separator at HD and it's freaking awesome. I was out vacuuming the driveway of leaves and dirt, not a drop inside my vac, everything in the bucket. And I made a cart for it with scraps I already had, removed the vac wheels which were kind of flimsy, put larger wheels which I already had, and the whole thing rolls around great.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
That is awesome!
@SRBurchNC Жыл бұрын
College! Truth man. This was a great and very helpful video. Thanks for taking one for all of us on the team.
@jacknbg6819 Жыл бұрын
I also bought a CTL Midi 4 weeks ago to vacuum both my apartment and machines (mainly wood dust) when I work on the balcony. This also eliminates the need for a regular vacuum cleaner (which I needed anyway). The little one has a small corner at the bottom of the pantry behind the door and is super handy. I regretted nothing - at most me not to have bought earlier. The remote control will also be added by Christmas at the latest.
@MarcosElMalo2 Жыл бұрын
Working on your balcony might be the biggest help because of the ventilation it provides. The biggest issue is that these tiny dust particles remain suspended in the air in an enclosed shop. The more ventilation, the less of a problem it is. I think my shop is pretty well ventilated (it’s drafty as hell and on a windy day there’s actually a slight breeze). But I also have a large rooftop patio where I could be working. I think I’m going to put a bench up there for working on good weather days. (I like to go up there when I’m manually sanding to enjoy the sun, anyway.) I would keep my tools and work stored in my shop when I wasn’t working up there.
@sawdustcrypto3987 4 ай бұрын
"I just wish it was longer and not so expensive." Amen, brother
@robofurious Жыл бұрын
What a great comparison! I own that exact same old rigid vac. I am planning to remove popcorn ceiling in a few weeks. Thank you for this
@steveklinck526 Жыл бұрын
Something to keep in mind is a filter with a high amount of dust embedded in it is probably filtering more because the added dust is acting like a filtering medium. I’m going to add a cyclone + 5 gallon bucket, HEPA filter and filter bag to my Ridgid vac. I’m also going to experiment with adding a swimming pool filter bag over the HEPA filter. I’m certain all this will reduce velocity so I’ll try to find the best balance of filtration(air quality)and air movement. Thanks very much for all the info you have provided.
@ethanshannon1840 Жыл бұрын
Another great video Witt. You’re thorough, relatable, entertaining, and dole out great advice. I have one of the rolling carts with the Ridgid vac and Dustopper and couldn’t see a reason to go with the Festool, but I can see now why some people would and how it could be nice to own one. More people need to watch the content you’re putting out. You’re A+ material all day long.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you Ethan! I got a comment recently that said “you’re full of s***” // I like your take better! 😬
@ethanshannon1840 Жыл бұрын
@@wittworks Tell them to go hang out in their Festool users group chat rooms and stop bothering you.
@ethanshannon1840 Жыл бұрын
@@wittworks You’re seriously doing an awesome job. It’s only a matter of time before your channel completely blows up.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
@@ethanshannon1840 ha!
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
@@ethanshannon1840 thank you! We shall see. Just keeping my head down trying to make the best and most honest content to help people who have questions. It will all take care of itself. I think. Hopefully. 🤞
@ericrichter7933 Жыл бұрын
Loved the video. I do agree that clogged filters do change filtration levels. Probably contributes to the lower flow for the old vac as well. I have an old craftsman shop vac and ported the exhaust outside kinda like people do with their dust collectors. I don’t use any filter at all since the dirty air goes straight outside. I run my shop vac into a dustopper for separation. Then for mobility, I set up a boom arm to get my shop vac to easily reach anywhere in my small shop. You should check and see if the dustopper has a good seal and see if that affects the airflow drop off. I use some foam on the edge where it connects to the bucket and that seems to help maintain a seal.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@DavidAlekhuogie Жыл бұрын
Ahh the endless struggle. I went through all these setups. I think for a small workspace My favorite setup is the ct36 with the long life bag And the d36 hose. Its expensive but it simplifies the setup greatly and doesn’t have an effect on suction. I’ve even used it on the table saw it it works pretty well if your not big on stationary tools. If your on big stationary tools nothing really beats a proper big dust collector with a pleated filter.
@kingrat5564 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I have a big rigid can shop vac and a festool vac with sander and they both have their purpose. Random garage work and backyard projects are great for the cheapie vac. Going into a clients house and sanding a banister… festool all day. Quieter, cleaner and healthier for me and the client.
@crustycurmudgeon2182 Жыл бұрын
First: your production of the video, and your earnest and honest presentation were absolutely top-notch. Next, I'd like to point out that even a $200.00 PPM meter from Amazon can at least reasonably, accurately give valid comparison tests between the three extraction systems. The actual numbers may be off, but the comparisons are still valid. Glad to see some of my favorite YT makers are all touching base here!
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I was surprised this video got so much attention.
@crustycurmudgeon2182 Жыл бұрын
@@wittworks It got the attention it deserved.
@roybaker6970 Жыл бұрын
Congrats on another well presented and scripted video!. A sixth bonus feature of my CT Midi is that hose clogging and loss of suction can be quickly fixed by connecting the hose to the Midi air outlet port and blowing the offending crud back out of the other end of the hose. I made a 55 gallon food barrel into a potable cyclone chip collector using a Veritas cyclone lid. The Midi can then be used with 2.5 inch hose on my band saw and planer. Another reason your old vacuum can catch fine particles is that your filter is so caked with dust of all sizes that it catches the fine dust that it was not designed to catch.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Great tip! And I suspected the caked filter had something to do with it...
@lomicwind Жыл бұрын
@@wittworks my first idea too, you should test again with a cleaned filter to see if it performs the same in terms of airflow (I bet it will be better) and let more particles through too.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Yes, I have a brand new filter and will try it.
@hanshoutkamp857 6 ай бұрын
I watched your clear and honest KZfaq movie with great interest. Understand your problem related to particulate matter; the festool machine lets through just as much particulate matter as the cheaper machine. Maybe the following information can help you: In europe, festool carries 2 MIDI machine models; CTL & CTM The CTL model is intended for dust class L and the CTM for dust class M In Europe we don't know "hepta" designation maybe such a designation is also a heavily exaggerated sales argument, which in any case is confirmed by your measurements. Good luck with testing. greetings Hans
@tristankayne666 Жыл бұрын
Great video, man! Very informative. Also like your sense of humor. Thank you for breaking it all down so effectively. Great job!
@apriori8413 Жыл бұрын
Footprint, noise, Bluetooth, rating, looks and resell value plus the fact that with the cyclone upgrade you don't need to change the dustbag for months, the Festool setup is one of the best shop tools i ever bought. The bluetooth switch is my favourite thing about it. No regrets if you can afford it.
@NEBennett88 Жыл бұрын
This video got you a sub. Love the honesty and although you're very upfront about not being a scientist, your experiment was conducted very logically. Keep pumping out good stuff!
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Welcome aboard. See my latest videos for both a deep laugh and a deep cry 😭
@michab4083 Ай бұрын
Scientist here .. (well, at least trained as one ...). I completely agree. Of course, this was no science, but it was set up and conducted quite logically and discussed thoroughly and honestly. Kudos for this video and all the effort!
@francoisf195 Жыл бұрын
Excellent! I wondered so many questions since weeks and weeks about this machine! Finally ordered a Festool CT MINI... and watched your video just after my order!! 😀 We'll see. I always will be better than before when I had nothing 🙂
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
You’ll love it. Hold your wallet tightly. The green koolaid is strong.
@joefaraone977 Жыл бұрын
COLLEGE! That said, I'm glad I found you. Excellent analysis -- I hacked my $69 Ridgid Shop vac with the Mr. Nozzle set a while back which gave me a 20' hose.... Way too much. I had gotten to the point of not wanting to clean up because of wrestling with the hose. I bought some velcro and cut it to various lengths to allow me to coil the hose and strap it to the handle on the top of the motor. Not ideal, but acceptable. I also have a Festool extractor i use withmy Domino... I almost wanted to purchase another extractor for use in my garage to replace the Ridgid..... Not there on my tool collection journey - yet. Thanks for a thoughtful video!!!! Subscribing!
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you joe! Welcome to the club.
@rickkern5785 Жыл бұрын
The dirty filter is a game changer. The larger holes have already been plugged and particles have to be pretty small to get through. Put a new filter in the old vacuum and your particulate rating will go up significantly. Drill a hole in your wall and put the vacuum outside. Take off the filter and let the vacuum blow. You will get more suction and your inside particles go down.
@richardhyman6981 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. I really appreciate your candor in talking about this. I’ve been woodworking for about ten years and definitely did not take dust control as serious as I should have. I only recently put together a full vacuum and dust control system in my shop and while it may not be a three thousand dollar system, your video did reassure me that I made a good decision. Thanks and you definitely have a new subscriber!
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thanks Richard! I’d love to know what you built out with!
@wimvanarkel7976 Жыл бұрын
As a painter in europe festool is the way to go. Its also overhere very expensive but.. they last a really long time. I still work with a 25 year old one and it does the job.
@jeffhampton6972 Жыл бұрын
This is incredibly helpful, thank you SO much for making it!
@rjthomasindyusa Жыл бұрын
I have a Festool C26 which has a bigger motor. The bag lasts forever and will pack like a brick. I primarily use it connected to my miter saw, sanders and track saw. It was a game changer when I first bought it over 10 years ago.... it allowed me to cut in houses. The Festool is a superior system and way cleaner and easier when changing bags. I also use an ambient air cleaner on my jobs and shop..... I can tell the difference in my lungs.
@aaronblackford981 Жыл бұрын
You do have to wonder if your lungs feeling good is a placebo? At least I do. His test wasn’t perfect but at least better than his feelings.
@rjthomasindyusa Жыл бұрын
@@aaronblackford981 The ambient air cleaner made it noticeably easier to breath not the Festool vacuum. My jobs are much much cleaner. (free of dust) Its called an 'air scrubber'.... this is what they use at remediation companies. I had a client with asthma... she was complaining of dust despite my best efforts of using fans, plastic walls and masking. I brought in the air scrubber and she was happy.
@mminniear984 Жыл бұрын
As a carpenter, you’re right about people judging your work based upon your stuff. When we do big commercial jobs, it’s all high vis. When we do houses, we wear embroidered button up shirts and can’t have dirty stained/ripped pants on. It gives the impression of more professionalism and that usually does mean better quality of work.
@4dchessplayer516 Жыл бұрын
Shirts? F that. I do my hoses shirtless, shorts, suspenders with my toolbelt. SO much faster and less HOT
@AaronAubreyPhoto Жыл бұрын
This. I've been a pro photographer for 12 years now.. learned early on that clients can judge your work based on your gear and how you look. One time I was helping a friend (who had a decade on me in the biz, and made like 4x what I was making) on a shoot.. Well he had gear in Ikea bags.. and parts for lights from different brands so they were taped on..and he even wanted to use a plastic shopping bag as a light modifier.. Cables were a mess in Ikea bag.. and dressed super casual.. I basically scolded him at the end. of the day and forced him to drop some cash on some nice cases and upgrade some gear.. he's cheap, so he hated spending the money, but he quickly realized how much of a difference it made to clients!!
@dandanilowicz3587 Жыл бұрын
@@AaronAubreyPhoto did you say he was making 4x what you were making and he's taking advice from you?
@plant-logic Жыл бұрын
@@dandanilowicz3587 Yeah, I thought that was odd. The guy with more experience and income is not the one giving advice... so did he make even more money after cleaning up his appearance? What was the point to all those details? He seemed to do well without that approach and being "cheap"
@cjsawinski 10 ай бұрын
I’m a career residential carpenter… most of my work is on trim/ finish and custom stuff on 1-60 million dollar homes (yes 60 million)… what I’m getting at is even in this environment we are all dirt balls lol, and I’m about the worst. Sure the company owner and a few foreman (which I’m also a foreman) are more clean cut… but we’re just to busy to worry about being really clean. At 7:10AM I’m already a dirtball so why bother lol.
@klaymoon1 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video! To my little knowledge, the old filters become better at filtering particles as it clogs up - however at the expense of the airflow. It dramatically reduces the airflow as it clogs up.
@zekezank3 Жыл бұрын
Good video. I want to add my opinion on why I went with festool extractors in my cabinet shop. The filtration was a small part of it. The nice hose was a part. The ability to turn it on and off at the hose was part. The giant part was reliability. I got tired of buying consumer grade shop vacs. I've had several craftsman, shop vac brand, and ridged ones. They might last a year in professional shop, but always burn up sooner than I expected. Sometimes the motor would go. Some times other electronics inside them would go. They just aren't built to be able to run for long periods of time. They might be fine being run for 30 minutes a day, but once you start using for for hours on end they don't last very long. Over the last ten years I have gone through about a dozen different ones.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Great point. I left this out but I think you’re right and it’s a major consideration we overlook. I had the hunch but didn’t know how to prove it. Thank you for sharing!
@tommygun5038 Жыл бұрын
Hook those ridgid vacs up to something like a concrete surface grinder, and watch how fast they clog up. The self cleaning filter feature, and adjustable suction for different tools ,makes dust extractors a more versatile unit than standard shop vacs. Nice video!
@leerosson216 Жыл бұрын
I have used a rigid shop vac extensively for both wood floor sanding and concrete grinding.works fantastic if you use the filter bag. Without the paper bag, and it is basically useless.
@saritsotangkur2438 Жыл бұрын
Would you really want to use an expensive festool for concrete dust though? I have hooked up a ridgid vac to a concrete grinder with a dust deputy and that kept the the filter from clogging long enough for me to get the job done.
@tommygun5038 Жыл бұрын
@@saritsotangkur2438 ....It depends. But dust extractors are hepa and self cleaning. You could still put a dust buddy in front of the festool if you wanted. They're also designed for that type of work.
@mcmathwoodworks Жыл бұрын
Wow awesome video! Your editing is spot-on! It’s good to know that a tricked out shop vac can perform fairly close to a Festool, because as much as I would love to get some of those green tools, I also probably should pay my mortgage ;) Thank you for doing such a thorough job on this video!
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I was surprised by how close (and sometimes better) it was in performance.
@jdrockefellas Жыл бұрын
I’m new into having a new garage setup and super glad I came across this video. Awesome job!!
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you Joel
@mmgross144 Жыл бұрын
Actually the fuller the vacuum filter becomes the finer the particles it removes. The suction decreases but the filtration increases. I have used a 15 year old Rigid shop vac with a Dust Deputy with it for many years with few complaints but I sold Festool systems while working at Woodcraft. It’s a matter of budget and personal preferences.
@cavalli821 Ай бұрын
Hi. This is great to know. I need to sand a few kitchen cabinet shelves in kitchen space and wondering if the Ridgid shopvac with HEPA filter & bag connected to the sander would do a good job with dust collection. Thought about purchasing the Festool but multiple opinions. I also shop at Woodcraft in my area. What are your thoughts about dust indoors with the Ridgid shopvac with HEPA filter & bag hooked up to the sander VS. sander connected to Festool extractor? Thanks a ton if you happen to see this...
@gorkyd7912 Жыл бұрын
Think of it this way; the less throughput the less particles coming out. If you had no suction you would have ambient particle count. So a slow / clogged pump will have lower particles, therefore you need to divide the throughput by the particle count. Assuming the volume of the hoses are the same so that the meters/second velocity readings are comparable. Old = 5.8m/s with 5070 total particles = 874 ppms New = 10.9m/s with 6850 total particles = 628 ppms Festool = 10.5m/s with 5380 total particles. = 512 ppms So for every unit of air coming out of the Festool there are less particles in it. There's just a lot more units coming through therefore more total particles.
@tonyworkswood Жыл бұрын
Fantastic comparisons Witt. I've worked with Festool sanders and dust extractors in industry sanding nonstop shift after shift. They both got dragged around, kicked, dropped and abused but they just keep going. Well worth the money in that situation. Home shop, can I afford it, do I need it or is it just the badge I'm after. I agree with you Witt, if I was a keen weekend woodworker I'd invest in a Festool extractor knowing I'd be sorted long term. BUT that's on the build quality, reliability, accessories and the professional back up, NOT on filtration. We had four of these Festool extractors connected to the best Festool random orbital sanders, sanding solid surface (like Corian) countertops and MDF furniture components. There was still masses of minute airborne dust floating in the rays of sunlight that shone through the windows. You still needed to wear a high spec 'rubber mask'. I think a lot is scare mongering these days gone OTT, but it's better to be safe than sorry with your lungs and also your eyes as well. Enjoyed watching your thorough non laboratory condition tests and agree with your conclusions. Tony
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thanks Tony! Glad we can be in company together.
@ericarmstrong264 Жыл бұрын
Love your humor. And your analysis. Thanks!
@datcolsol Жыл бұрын
My understanding is that the antistatic hose is not so much for preventing the user getting shocked. Rather, it is meant to prevent sparks occurring in a possibility dusty environment. With the idea ratio of fine dust particulars suspended in air (stoichiometer ratio), a small spark can trigger combustion. This is a huge concern in dusty industrial environments. I don't think this is a big problem in most wood shops but antistatic hoses are safer and can be used anywhere
@mattschreiber4251 Жыл бұрын
Kind of true,but not really. Understanding the danger of sparks certainty effects how you work. Good news is that in almost any small shop, sparks are not an issue. 4” and under DC hoses/piping are not big enough to allow a spark ignited explosion. So your shop vac is certainly safe regardless of the hose.
@ModernRemade Жыл бұрын
I’ve never been so conflicted 😂 As someone who is both frugal AND believes (mostly) “you get what you pay for”, I am having second thoughts about my recently-purchased, run-of-the-mill shop vacuum. For me, it’s a matter of ‘where will I end up’. If I thought my woodworking hobby would turn into a full-time job, like you said, the Festool offers a lot of no-so-obvious advantages. After upgrading some tools to more contractor-grade, I find myself thinking “Why didn’t I buy these to begin with?!” But again, at the time of initial purchase, I didn’t know how far my skills would grow. It sounds like either option is great; just having to weight cost with bells and whistles. But damn those are some nice whistles on the Festool. I’ll stick with my peasant vacuum for now 😂 but you’ve given me something to think about!
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
thanks! the bells and whistles are where they get you. And the system is really the main selling point in my opinion. But "buy once cry once" usually always applies...
@krehbein Жыл бұрын
If you can afford it fine go to Festool, but it’s not really worth it (I have both rigid vacs and the Festool midi). At the end of the day they both vacuum sawdust (and I’ve vacuumed drywall dust with the rigid) and don’t spit it back into the air.
@boogiedahomey Жыл бұрын
One thing about Festool tools is their resale value is about 70-80% of their initial cost.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Didn’t know that! Thank you
@cjphillips6648 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2001 ridged vacum, & a Oneida dust deputy, they work great together (99.99%) of dust stays in the bucket! It is wonderful go cleaning up wood dust/ chips from my lathe…😊
@drewbarton1100 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. I have a 10 year old Ridgid shop vac I use daily, still healthy without a mask. Thank you for going into so much detail
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you drew. Nice name.
@zencat102 Ай бұрын
Just don't get old....
@AaronGeller Жыл бұрын
I have the Festool CT 26 with bluetooth and the cyclone, and yes, it was over $1,000, but it has been worth it. Being able to run my tracksaw with BT has been awesome because it's a pain in the butt turning it on each time to make a cut. For those who can't afford a Midi new, there's always Festool Recon that'll save them 20-25% off.
@AaronGeller Жыл бұрын
Also with the new cordless dust extractors, the BT makes even more sense.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
That’s great! I wish makitas bluetooth talked to Festool…but…guess that means I’ll have to get the new Festool…
@AaronGeller Жыл бұрын
@@wittworks one speaks German and the other Japanese, they simply can’t get past the language barrier.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@JaySellers Жыл бұрын
Same. Love the Bluetooth feature. I run the 26 with a Cyclone for sanders and dominos but don’t have the Cyclone on the Kapex since the slight drop in suction was leaving dust around the fence.
@richardsvacuumcenter Жыл бұрын
Great content! Another idea is an old central vacuum canister unit. I come across old used ones all the time…so many that I often throw many away. The suction power is significantly higher since it’s using a tangential discharge motor rather than a flow through (like a a typical shop vac) and you can mount them on the wall. Many can be adapted to use a hepa bag as well. You can also port the exhaust outside which means zero emissions indoors!
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
nice tip! I want to try that
@mjolnirswrath23 Жыл бұрын
Hell's when I was a kid dad Used PVC pipe and manifold to his entire system..every tool station had a 3" Pipe going to it and integrated filter's. He used an Industrial shop vac and Spherical fiberglass cyclone chamber
@mjolnirswrath23 Жыл бұрын
His invention was a Spherical Loudspeaker enclosure so any rejects of the Mould's he used for chicken coups and Containers, he also made a Heat lamp home heating system
@kelexod 9 ай бұрын
I love this video because it backs up what I’ve been seeing/sensing with my rigid set up with hepa. Big difference after I did that. So now I use my Makita dust extractor for portability when I have to go outside my (so called) shop. But this makes me, and my wallet, happy I went with the rigid in the shop. And I can tell from the amount of dust I find all over when I do get to cleaning the whole garage. 3 car garage size , but I only get between 1/3-1/100th of the room to work, depending on what the kids and better half have in store for the dumping ground, I mean garage.😂
@MatSmithLondon 7 ай бұрын
Lovely video - and healthy level of self-scepticism made me want to listen a lot more.
@Straixin Жыл бұрын
My least favorite thing about this video is the fact that I LITERALLY have never been shocked by my non anti static hose. I watched this video, got back to my shop to work and I've been shocked like 3 times in the last 29 minutes. What have you done to me...
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
My bad! I got shocked the other day too. I’ve ruined our lives.
@bishopp14 Жыл бұрын
Crap, I've never been shocked by mine either. Now I'm about to go out and use it... What have I done...
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
🤦♂️
@kennethhanes5438 Жыл бұрын
Mate you will never understand how bad the static shock can be until you’ve thrown or smashed wands vacuuming concrete dust after grinding especially using a large dust extractor the charge can build up enough to drop someone who isn’t use to it or knows it’s coming
@WhiskeyWood_Studio Жыл бұрын
This man is truly electrifying.
@infoSchoof Жыл бұрын
You are very tongue in cheek humorous. Thx for the practical “not quite scientific” test. Practically though those are the conditions we use these tools in and not in a lab setting.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@patrickbrady8326 Жыл бұрын
Great Video, very informative, and I like your sense of humor
@somedude3159 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for your time and effort to show what you found. Well done.
@laurentsaint-louis4818 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid! Question: which order did you take the measurements in, and how long did you wait to measure each vac’s performance? My guess is that there were still a lot of suspended dust throughout the shop unless you made sure to wait long enough and filter it out. For example, if the Festool was tested last, it could falsely seem to be performing less because of the dust already suspended in the air. A good way to control for that would be to make sure you take a control measurement before any test is made to see what the baseline air quality is. Then, make sure to get as close to that baseline before measuring the next vac.
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Tested the Festool first. Don’t remember the time but waited for the meter to zero out to it’s baseline room reading. Left it out of the video for length purposes (original cut was 40mm long)
@nickhildenbrandt4529 Жыл бұрын
A sander is really what these are designed for. Sander create finer dust than saws. Testing with sander dust might give you better results because you will be generating smaller dust. If all the test dust is the size of golf balls than an old window screen will test well. Otherwise thanks for putting in the work and giving us something to reference.
@Declan4253 3 ай бұрын
This is exactly what I am doing right down to the rigid, filters, switch, and hose. Kind of amazing we have the same stuff (haven't received the filters yet, but they are on order). So excited to see you doing this. I have a couple Festool tools, but really want to avoid buying their dust filtration. I couldn't even wait to watch the video before commenting. Thanks in advance.
@crazy-eyewoodguy4489 Жыл бұрын
I have the rigid Vac, 2 festtool, and a franken vac with a cyclone. All work and do the job. For me the Festool's are nice. I justified Festool in my head because I use a Vacuum everyday in the shop. (its actually the most used tool) They move around much easier, I never pull one over and like you said the Bluetooth, is just magic. I would buy another if one ever dies.
@klauserk Жыл бұрын
Great video and I liked the test comparisons. I wouldn't want to ruin your $29 "hepa equivalent" vacuum :), but it would be interesting to see air quality measurement using a new non-hepa filter and bag. Might be a worth a test to see if the extra expense for the green colored filters are really worth the cost!
@wittworks Жыл бұрын
Great suggestion!
@FisherCatProductions Жыл бұрын
@@wittworks I second that, Witt. I'm curious to know if there is enough difference to justify the extra cost and to see how much the airflow compares to and "older-but-very-effective" standard filter. Just not curious enough to buy a $200 tester LOL.