Do not kill your AIO cooler or CPU! Install and Orientation is important! How are you guys doing?

This is what happens when "youtubers" jump on the hype of other videos... Almost all the pictures labeled as "wrong!" are perfectly fine...

If the pump isn't the highest point of the loop it's not an issue. Don't spread false knowledge ;)

Let me give you a great ideea and maybe you'll stop bashing people just because got in the "bash train" after you saw GN's video. ( Because i'm pretty sure you weren't even commenting a single word before that video about the orientation ). Go ahead and purchase a transparent plexi-radiator with a pump ( a general one, not PC related ) and test orientations and observe what does what. Your argument about doing 20+ years of computers is doing nothing since you are clearly in denial of the fact that it's OK ( and actually totaly fine ) to have pipes up, as long as the pump is lower. Please, do some damn basic research in fluid, air and thermodynamics and stop telling people that literally over a decade of AIO's has been wrong just because Steve told us some info about a "more optimal" orientation. Stop being toxic. PS: It's your word against researchers and propper engineers, why do you even do this... ?

The overall message was right, but if ur pump is lower than the highest point on your radiator than you are pretty much fine unless you have quite a bit of air in your loop. It’s not that bad Because the pull of the pump will not bring air to get stuck in the pump.Great video though, I appreciate you sharing your knowledge.

To anyone seeing this video. You can front mount the radiator w/ lines up. I’ve done with lines up on countless builds and has never once been an issue, and they’ve lasted for years, and still going. Just don’t put your rad at the bottom.

It is enough if the highest point of the system is somewhere in the radiator. The air doesn't flow downwards with the water, it stays in the uppermost part of the system.

Sorry, but Science says you are wrong, lines at the top are fine since air rises, and does not sink....

It's not about lines, it's about pump Pump must be lower than top part of radiator. So you kind of have a point, but dude

Totally fine to have the AIO pump higher as long as the top of the rad is the highest point in the loop. Some loops aren't physically long enough to reach the CPU if you put the connection to the radiator at the bottom of the case mount. Really need to watch JayzTwoCents vid on this.

It doesn't matter as long as you haven't trapped the air in the pump in the first place. Just run it with the rad above the pump for a short time. The lines at the bottom are the best however, not because of air gaps but because of the thermosyphon effect.The pump will pump hot water to the bottom of the rad which, being hot will rise up naturally, assisting the pump. As it cools after the rise up it will sink down the second half of the rad because its denser. this effect reduces stress on the pump and in theory could mean some flow even if the pump isn't running

What would be the best way to mount a nzxt x73 in the h710 case? The way the pump faces doesn't matter as I can rotate the logo, but what is the most proper way to mount it on top of the case to not kill the aio?

i might be wrong but wont putting the radiator as shown in the video make the pump the highest point?

Dude repeated the same thing like 10 times. I wanted to know the correct way to do and he just goes and repeats the same thing again…

i have thermaltake suppressor f1 case that have motherboard installed at the bottom, whitch radiator position should i install ? ps: sorry, english is not my first language :")

I have a 120mm for a CPU Pump what position should I use? The one in the video or the other way?

Do you have any insight on how to position fans for ur aio, does your case have front fans that you are utilizing as well or no? Wondering if you have four fans on that dual aio or just the two rgb we see in the vid essentially. Hope you see this and thanks for any help!

Pump's up at the front doesn't matter, air comes in the highest place of the loop so if the top of the rad is higher that the pump it's fine. Pump's down is better but not always compatible if you have a large gpu.

This is funny af. It does not matter if tubes are up or down as long as the pump is lower than the top of the rad.

Do you have any videos on removing and flipping the radiator? I have this issue but don’t know how to uninstall just the radiator and flipping it

can somebody explain to me how a air bubble that forms in the pump (somehow like when installing it) can travel down the tube and then live happily in the radiator (air wants to move up and aio dont move much water when the pc is not doing much) so i think air will get trapped inside the pump forever or until the pump ramps up high enough

Okay so, let's say, you flipped that rad and as you flipped it some of that air got in the hoses. Now if you got air in the hose, gravity will bring the air to the top of the hoses and into the pump, the air will not go back down the hose to the bottom band into the rad and back to the top of the rad. The only way to make sure it's correct would be to lay the PC on its back so the whole rad is above the pump and the air will push back into the rad

The thumbnail in the video is actually completely okay to do... as long as the pump isn't higher than the rad. Jay two cents talked about this and corrected it

for intel LG1200, NextH510flow: A bit confused, when installing it vertically towards the front of the case, does the radiator go facing inward or facing out?

i just inherited my first water cooled system its mounted in the top tubes down but what is odd to me is it is sandwiched between two fans both blowing towards the coolers radiator this seems counter intuitive to me is this ok or do i need to reverese the fan pulling air into the the radiator from outside so that it will actually exhaust?

Just keep the pump below the top on the rad, so the air doesn't have to go through it. Very hard to do this wrong unintentionally, rad orientation will make a lifespan difference but it's negligible.

He's partially right here if you can mount the tubes at the bottom do that but what matters more though is the highest point of the loop is above the block Jayztwocents did a whole TLDR video on this as follow up as well as Steve from Gamers Nexus when everyone watched Steve's original video and tried to imply tubes down was the only proper way to mount the radiator which even Steve admitted is not always possible. You just may get some gurgling noises if the tubes are at the top of the loop which Steve points out as the biggest concern with that configuration. Still though if you want to be absolutely safe mount your AIO at the top of the case. This is the way even Steve recommends if possible. For those saying that's the worst spot you obviously need to look into your intake fans because there should be plenty of cool air constantly moving into the case. Steve also mentioned in his follow up even the incorrect way I.E block at the top of the loop rad at the bottom which is really the only way that will prematurely destroy your AIO if that's the only way it'll fit looking at you Phanteks Shift case then you just gotta roll the dice. Also permeation will happen regardless of how your loop is setup.

But which way are your fans blowing? Pulling air in or exhaust?

@JOSEPH COREY How is that NZXT picture wrong? The loop is above the pump isn’t it? Let’s say they couldn’t have the hose at the bottom. So don’t know how it’s wrong if it’s above the pump tho? So conflicting n confusing

We would like to see some actual test results for noise decibels and cooling performance for all the different installation orientations. A 5 or 10 degrees or decibel difference would be interesting to know for mounting the cooler at 3 or 6 o'clock.

As long as the top of the physical dimensions of the system is above the pump/block, you should be fine. You have to think of the entire thing as one water tank. The line can be up, but it's *more optimal* for them to be down, but it doesn't really matter as long as the pump itself is not the highest point in the system. Slightly below is fine, dead even is dicey, above is not ok

How do you feel about the mounting in the AZZA pyramid case 804 I’m putting a 360Mm radiator in it

Got a question guys, i have a Corsair Carbide 175r RGB and it's pretty small tower, but it's still possible to mount a 360mm aio on front, my question is : can I mount the radiator behind the screw plate mount and fan in front of that plate ? This will leave like 0.3/0.4mm between fans and radiator. I hope this very little space won't affect the airflow and dissipation of heat ( btw the 360mm aio is an Arctic Freezer 360 RGB )

Doesn’t matter as long as your pump isn’t the highest point in the loop.

as long as the pump is lower than the highest point of the rad its fine

So the screw holes on my MOBO matched up with my cooler so i just screwed it directly to it. Should i have used the attached risers, is this going to be an issue?

Well how would you set up 2 aios with 280 rads have one in front of the case and the other one in the top

Learned something new today!

I've had my 360mm radiator installed on the front of my case, lines up for three years, no problems, and still have great temps.

Hello sir. I ordered nxzt h7 elite and 360 kraken rgb but then i noticed on some forums that it will not fit in front. I cant search more about that. Soo if i put kraken on top of that case will it fit ? Bcs case have 3x140 in front but kraken is 3x120 or ?

So as long as you mount up top your fine right? Or do I still want the hoses facing a certain way?

I guess multimillion dollar companies with staffing of developers and engineers don't know what they're doing. Other KZfaqr's and sources have already said side mounted loop on top is perfectly fine. Top radiator mount is best. But if so many manufacturers are doing the side mount. I'm certain there's no problem.

No it will not.. been running for 5 years same as thumnail and never had any issue

Do you have to have fans inside, if the cooler is mounted in the front? The pc fans are already there?

Just bought a Thermaltake view 71 case wit Thermaltake aio. I didn't realised he had rad outlets st top? The pump was under these outlets. However air sits at top of rad so it definitely had air through it. I'm hoping the pump doesn't need water to lubrication the bearings? Thanks for sharing

I had builds before all with different positioning of the rad.. bottom, top, side or front in my experience installing AIO I never encountered any problem.. except for one that the AIO completely fail after more than 6 months now that is a manufacturer defect.. I believe it`s all in the way manufacturers build their product. But great video man. keep it up!

Hey, does this still apply if the 120 mounted at the back of the case? Thanks in advance. Nvm you covered it later in the video, cheers.

I’m going to get a 324 mm 3070 Ti in a h510. I do not know how big that 3080 is although I want to know if mine will fit

What about AIOs like MSI Coreliquid 360R where the pump is inside the radiator? Had mine for little over a year and my CPU started heating up to over 90 degrees.

Which chair did you get Corey? Time for a new one for me.

Another great video buddy 👍

But if your AIO has the pump built into the rad what then how must I put my AIO now the dame or otherwise?

Is it not always better with the pulling fan method?

As long as the top of the pump is BELOW the bottom part of the tubes, it is okay. Better if the tubes coming out of the pump is above the pump. If not, make sure no air or bubbles got trapped in the pump by moving or shaking the pump while the tubes are up. By physics law, air bubbles will be pushed by the water and WILL stay on the very top of the construct. Which is the inlet tube of the radiator. Refer to the original setup of this video. The outlet from radiator will always be free of air bubbles in this way.

I've had my aio "upside-down" for the passed 3 years and it effects pretty much nothing. The only thing you need to worry about is that your pump is not the highest part of the loop.

I mount my aio in the front hoses at the top and pump slightly below the top. I just make sure the lines coming out are at 3 o clock and lines pointing down. No issues.

So i have to aio gpu, and the only place i can place the cooler is on the bottom of the case, with the tube outlets on the front of the case side. They then go up to the left to the middle of the horizontally mounted(like in this vid) graphics card. Is this a safe method?

you should definitly watch JayzTwoCents videos abute this!

Life saver! thanks man

Is it right for the fans to suck air out instead of blowing through the heatsink to reduce heat?

I bought a new case but only fits the AIO in the front panel, the issue it is that the AIO is a mag core liquid and the pump it is located at the radiator, how should I install it?

Actually, it’s fine to have the lines at the top. As long as the pump is lower.

Thank u so much I couldn't put it at the top bc it didn't fit so I had to put it in the front and I didn't think of a good Placement

I have a NZXT H510 (non flow).. Going by your video it seems it's ok to place the radiator in the front with the lines and pump down. But, what would you suggest with this case: 280 radiator front, or 140 radiator top? Is top so much better that the size difference is made up for it? Or not?

And how do you orient fan? To suck the air to your case or to blow it through the radiator?

Excellent video! This is good info 👌

Solution: put your pump radiator on the roof of your case, routinely top out your pump’s fluid and try using coolant instead of water, since water tends to evaporate more inside of AIO coolers. I think that solves most of the main issues.

How do I mount it if the pump is in the radiator like in the MSI MAG CoreLiquid 280R?

And if the pump is mounted on the radiator like MSI coreliquid?

Best way is to put radiator on the top of the case with lines sloping towards CPU/Pump. Air bubbles rise to the top even if flow of water is to the bottom, Pump must be the lowest spot and lines should gradually rise to the radiator, any other install is wrong.

Gamer nexus thumbnail shows opposite

Does this work in a h510 or would it not fit in because of the strip going through the right side of the case ?

Are all the fans in the build exhausts? Or am I worng? The logo pulls air so all the fans are pulling air out of the system… if you put the fans at the front then the radiator behind you’d have three intakes and three exhausts..

As long as the pump isn't the highest point in the loop, it's not going to damage anything.

As long as the pump isn't the highest point in the loop it don't matter. Linus

So if it's already buzzing or gurgling without tilting the whole computer at a 45° angle is it already cooked or is there a fix? I but mine pre-built and it just started gurgling on its own one day

I have 3 intake fans in the front, one exhaust fan in the back I plan on leaving them like that.I plan on mounting my dual radiator at the top with the fans blowing towards the radiator set up as exhaust. That away it would be 3 in 3 out Would that be okay? I’ve heard these have to be set up as intake

it has been already proved by science that this isn't that bad. please viewers don take him to seriously. wont kill your cpu as your CPU has process that protect itself, second with newer pumps and AIO this is not even close to making a huge difference. this guy needs to look at some vides from Jay2cents and nexus.

Wow what a pile of misinformation

I have a lian li mini and have it on the side what would be the correct way

Are AIO coolers fine to be in a PC laying flat horizontally?

This is actually a sub-optimal installation. Installing it like this, the CPU block becomes the highest point in the loop (where air will want to collect), and the hoses at the top of the radiator make it that much easier for air to travel to the CPU block. AIO coolers always have air in them, both to allow for thermal expansion without bursting at seams, and as a byproduct of production. Over time, the liquid will evaporate and more air will be introduced into the system. All of this air is going to want to rise to the highest point in the loop - the CPU block. The pump can't effectively move a gas like air, so it will just remain here. Not only does the air not displace the heat properly causing reduced thermal efficiency, but it also will cause damage to the pump that resides inside this block. This cooler setup will fail prematurely, and potentially shorten the life of the processor. And in the mean time, it will probably be annoyingly noisy. As such, the radiator must always be the highest point in the loop, no exception.

Good video

As long as the pump is not higher then the outlet for the water then your fine since air or bubbles rise that would lead it into the tube if it is higher then then the top or bottom of the cooler but then if it's to the center then no air will get through as long as you don't put it on the bottem your fine

what case do you have ?

Miss your streams man. Come back !

Wrong. This is highly dependent on were your pump is. If your is on the head not the cooler, flipping the radiator will force the air to go to the pump.There is nothing wrong with the way NZXT and the rest of the marketers installed the AIO. The key is just use some common sense and mount your AIO such that pump is lower than your reservoir. You want air in your reservoir not yor pump.

If i put a 240 aio infront and i have 3 120 fans infront of the system unit case. The 3 front fans direction would be air intake, then the direction of 2 fans of the aio would be what? still the same with the 3 front fans?

Hey, awesome video. Which GPU(manufacturer) is that?

This info is incorrect. Its a good thing youtube hid the dislikes now 😆

Umm… your camera angle is not good. could only see half of your face the whole time

Its not a big problem as long the pump is on the lowest point possible + if u have high pressure fans in push pull config its like if there wouldnt be a radiator or even better cause the lower fan is nearer at the GPU which maybe give u better 1-4° lower

so....I have my 280 rad in front with the lines on the top. My case doesn't have room for it at the top and I can't have the lines in the bottom currently because my GPU is in the way just like yours is at 5:20 so...

On todays episode of "average Joe thinks he's smart" we have this clown

Totally agree, just because some people can mount it lines up doesn’t make it correct. You can do things a certain way for your entire life it just means it’s been wrong your entire life. This is textbook install. Good video

what do we do if we cant put the radiator on the top/front. I have mines kinda next to the mother board

Are aio cooler good or should I just stick with regular fans?

Unless there is enough air in the wrong stoping the water to flow in a loop. This is very unlikely so like everyone said your system is fine as long as your pump is not the highest point. I recommend Gamer Nexus video in this, he has a lot better video on this, than this half wrong budget KZfaqr.

Ummmm no, its fine if the pump is lower than the top

OK, but what if I have an AIO where pump is build in radiator? Can I install radiator on the bottom?