already tried the Apache's PNVS? Did a mission yesterday. same level of concentrating as during a case3 approach but from takeoff to landing and fighting in between. It's so crazy...

@@harritudur176 yes I have tried it. In fact that's another thing that becomes WAY easier in VR. Hitting targets with the head sight. You can land almost every round!

Helps a ton with A/A Refueling too

I got a Reverg G2 and tried DCS in it, and MSFS, and I...just...cant...get...the graphics to be any good and I have an RX 6800XT and a 5900X! The level of depth perception in cockpits is insane...but the loss of detail is also insane!

I can live with it or without it. And since I can't keep them on for a long time I generally don't use VR unless I'm just going to tool around for a short time. But for serious flying, I do not use VR simply because I need the keyboard

Been making steps twards getting heli CL and now because of you, I know I need to do this.

I had the same experience. I've done a lot of VR heli flying and took a demo flight in an R44 a while ago. After flying around a little the CFI put us into a hover and handed over the controls. After hovering, a pedal turn, set down and pick up he said "You've really never flown a helicopter before?" Lol

@@TurboNeon185 Haha awesome! Same here, the instructor thought I was pranking him. If you're curious, i made a short video from the experience: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jdeRnL1oqLWnZ2w.html

@@shixxor Very nice. There's a flight school about an hour from me which has Cabris. I plan to take a demo there also. While I prefer helicopters I am considering a fixed-wing PPL just because it costs about half as much as heli training.

@@TurboNeon185 Good luck on your path! I wish I could afford that :D

Another tip for helos in VR is definitely take it easy on maneuvers when you first start I got more motion sick doing gnarly turns in my SA342 than I’ve ever been in my whole life lmao

Oh cool! Love the skin - it's epic!!! :)

Thanks!! :)

Ah interesting. I must try a night mission with VR. Never really even occurred to me to try it!!

I just ordered my G2 yesterday, never tried DCS, but I'm gonna dip my toes when I get it, I have a X56 hotas, do I need rudders as well to do good or is the twist enough?

@@Batlafication If you want to fly helicopters, invest in some rudder pedals. For fixed wing, you can get way with the twist grip……but why would you?!

@@sterlingarcher4989 Yeah, but like, I kinda want to know if it's for me first, considering the Logitech pedals though, they aren't too expensive

I'll see what I can do :)

Ha! Thanks! :)

livestreaming - no, not my cup of tea. Apache - also not I'm afraid. I generally like flying stuff that I want to commit to learning fully and the Apache just doesn't interest me enough. I'm looking forward to the Bo-105 though!

Thanks! 😇

Yeah unfortunately it's hard to have a stick that can do both helis and fixed wing without compromise :(

Yeah exactly. That’s why I don’t use VR atm.

Thanks. Check out my latest video for even better controls set up 🙂

I've spent 45min trying to find this place with no luck. Is it a mod for the Mariana map?

Got this from Command T - "It's a mod. "Civilian Assets Pack - Nautical" by Eight Ball I think. You can just place the island/ light house anywhere you like :)"

@@Wabbitsw Thanks so much for this!

Yep! Thanks!

Ha thanks!

Thanks! There's no extra software involved. Just save your VR flight track as normal after you finish a flight, then switch to your 2D DCS application without using VR and replay the flight like any other flight. And just choose whatever angle you want in 2D or use track IR to pan around the cockpit during the track replay :)

@@CommandT Thanks for your reply! Funny I never even considered doing that 😂 Anyway thanks again I appreciate it!

Hi Riman. Consider the Virpil WarBRD stick base. it fits with the Warthog sticks but doesn't have any 'stiction' so you get much finer control. I swapped my warthog stick base for the Virpil and am not going back :)

@@staubsauger2305 thanks, but I already have the vkb gunfighter III base 🙂

Marianas islands and Syria map :)

Just save the replay track, and open it again in your 2D version of DCS and watch the replay track like normal. I didn’t use the original head movements as it would look too jittery so just recorded it by looking around in trackIR whilst the replay was playing

@@CommandT Ah gotcha. Thanks. I was trying to avoid using replays as they always play out very differently in my experience.

It's just one of the Marianas Islands, but the rocky outpost is part of a Ships Mod by Eight Ball.

Yes, definitely - we need multi-threading to take advantage of VR and ED need to rework the ground textures and detail to work and look better in VR. It's a matter of time. It's definitely the future but for now I still like my 2D screen!

Hey just a little thing, you can set all your mouse buttons to the hotas and use your sight as the pointer. In control settings, it's in "UI Layer."

That way you can click everything in your cockpit without taking your hands off your hotas.

@@therocinante3443 very interesting idea.... I will have to try that - problem thou is ALL my HOTAS buttons are currently bound but I should be able to free one or two up... even with the additional control panel I made, (32 digital and 6 analog inputs) for VR I still use the mouse. So your idea should help! Thanks

Thanks :)

no! in heli flying there is no "center" in your stick therefore curves not good. Need to be linear

the turns are often referred to as an Ag turn, or sometimes hammerhead turn.

not sure what the military community would call it but in the helo crop dusting world we just call it an ag turn.

I would recommend that you watch your rate descent and adjust your power from there. Avoid descending anymore that 300’ per minute and practice! Eventually you will figure out when to enter the descent to land at a particular point. But, practice descending at 300’ per minute first, then worry about the landing point.

It's just one of the Marianas Islands, but the rocky outpost is part of a Ships Mod by Eight Ball.

@@CommandT thanks a lot! :-)

Hi, hmmm. Strange problem. Do the rudders function normally when flying aircraft? Have you done the calibration?

@@CommandT Thanks for listening. I managed to solve it here, you have to change the configuration in the general controls of the HUEY and set it to Default, and not use a controller with a spring system. It is perfect. TPR is fantastic! Thank you my friend.

Hahaha, nice :)

Yep, it's too good!

It's a mod- it's an island you can place anywhere. I forget who makes the mod though!

Ah, cool! Thanks! :)

It’s a mod, I think it’s the civilian navy assets pack. If you search for it you’ll find it on the ED forums somewhere. The island can be placed just the same way as a ship

I’m a bit confused how you can achieve the same results by playing with the X and Y axis in DCS. You can’t replace a big lever arm by changing axis settings in your sim.

@@CommandT. Thank you for your reply. Perhaps I said it incorrectly. One can adjust the x and y axis to give move movement on the stick with less "input" to the helicopter. But by increasing the length of the joystick [as you have done], you can achieve a better result than just adjusting the axis...... Am I correct in that assumption? I do not want to lengthen the joystick shaft for any other reason, except to make flying more precise which you clearly have achieved.lengthening I really do appreciate you helping me. Kindest regards, Peter [South Africa] Sorry not sure why the text went red

@@peterweir3861 What you are asking about, is to adjust a X and Y output values. TL;DR: To make a grude analogy, think about limiting your car wheel turning only 180 degrees, so +/- 90. When you are driving normally on the roads, you are fine as turns are not so tight and you anyways do very small +/- 10 degree wheel rotations. But when you try to park your car, or you try to turn around on the road without reversing, you can't as you have no means to perform 2.5x wheel rotation capability, so your turning radius will be 3-4x of the possible you could without limiter. ---------------------------------------------- Firstly think about your joystick as 0-100% in both X and Y axis, where 50% is naturally the center. In X axis the 0% is full left and 100% is full right. In Y axis 0% is full aft, 100% full forward. No matter of your joystick length, that is full maximum input you can make to the computer. Now let's think that your joystick has a 30 degree deflection angle, so example X axis is +/- 15 degree, in total 30 degrees. That means your joystick gives 0% X axis at 15 degree to the left. And so on 7.5 degree to left would be 25% input. Now think about your joystick length, from the gimbal (zero, as it is the rotational point) to the trigger where you hold the index finger. Let's say it is 20 cm. When you rotate the joystick from left to right, you have 30 degree in total movement, 0-100% total input, but your index finger (trigger) will move let's say 8 cm in total. That means you have 4 cm movement to left and right from the center. That is your physical hand coordination requirement. If you have a mean to extend your joystick length from that 20 cm to something else, you will increase that physical movement range of your trigger. So if you extend your grip by 20 cm, as you go from 20 cm from gimbal to trigger, to 40 cm from gimbal to trigger, you have now 16 cm in total of physical hand coordination capability. You still have same 30 degree total angle, same 0-100% input, but to reach those maximums you need to move hand 2x more laterally. So now with extended joystick you have 100% input, but 2x more precision for your hand to make those small corrections. If you do not extend your joystick, but you will instead adjust the X and Y output values in each axis, what will happen is that you are cutting your output of your input by same amount. So if you set the resolution to 50%, you have on range scale available for you between 25-75%. You still move your joystick same full 30 degree total deflection, and you still have same 8 cm physical movement, but your input is only read as 50% of total output. It means, even if you tilt your joystick fully to right, then in the game virtual cockpit your virtual cyclic is never moving to right further than 50% of the range, so 75% position. So it is like "virtual extending joystick". That is OK if you fly in normal conditions, because normally your cyclic does not move much from the center to extreme physical ranges, but once you need that helicopter full authority for controls, you can't give it as you have cut off that by 50%. So example, you need to land in a side wind with heavier load and at higher altitude on something, and you would need to correct by giving full right cyclic, you are only capable input 75% position but not further, so it is not enough and you can't control what you are flying and likely crash.

I mean would super useful for the side gunner in a Huey, yeah!

Yep!!!

The best solution is, practice. That's the real secret.

Interesting. Is there more or less resistance using a winwing base vs TM?

@@CommandTThere is less resistance for minor movements. But more resistance the further you move the stick. So there is more.... but there is also less. Not a good stick for helicopters tho. Maybe with an extension it would be. "more leverage = less resistance"

The island is not a map, it's a mod, kind of like a ship. Have a look for eightball navy assets pack mod :)

@@CommandT thanks dude🙏

Haven't tried the black hawk mod as I don't like aircraft mods really for lack of detail and features. We all use curves regardless. Even with an extension you still need curves. I mean you can still have fun without an extension of course but to have more precise control there is simply no way round it :(

@@CommandT I agree, :). The Apache is my first Helo, so I have a lot of catching up to do as far as flying a helicopter, lol!

@@CommandT I hear you about mod quality. I'm in the same boat. I did download the Blackhawk based on the rave reviews around the internet. I have to say, it is on par with official modules. And it lets you do one thing not offered anywhere else in DCS - AAR. Which is a good challenge and really fun. I think it would definitely be worth at least a download and take it for a quick spin.

See my post about pedals (you dont need them, just a fine axis for rudders somewhere - I use the L/H engine throttle for pedals on a thrstmaster warthog). Huey vs Apache. I would recommend the Huey first. Yes, the Apache is sexy, but the module is new and somewhat a work in progress; it will take a few years before it's done, just like the F-18. The Apache is not "fun" to fly. It's a fly by wire death machine with little "feel". Sorta like an F-18; the flying is done to bring the platform to the target, the real work is managing the weapons and targeting systems. I anticipate I will spend more time in the gunner's seat working the systems. There are no campaigns for it yet. The Huey is a basic fly by the seat of the pants helo, and it is fun to fly (but slooooooow). Once you get a handle on it, you can make it sit and talk. There are many campaigns for it, some very good, even a Vietnam-like one on the Mariana map. I enjoy my Huey, it's a great helo. I mean, how can you not own a Huey if you'rte going to fly helos?

@@PappyGunn I got the Apache and I still haven't managed to fly it very well, so the perspective you have is from the experience you have, I have a lot more getting experience to go. I have the Blackhawk but haven't flown it, but I will soon. I will pop some champaign when I can do a complete mission of flying, navigating and coming back to base and landing successfully, lol!

It's actually a separate floating object that you can place like a ship. It's part of some ships mod. If you have a look at Eight Ball on youtube - it's one of his mods)

@@CommandT thanks! I actually already had this civil assets mod. Has some nice ships. Completely forgot there's the island under sea shelf objects menu!

To fly helis you absolutely must have pedals. You can get away without pedals for fixed wing, but defo not helis I think! Regarding extension - yeah you can fly helis without it but degree of accuracy and control is reduced to a certain degree.

@@CommandT so even if I have the Yaw axis on my flight* stick, its absolutely not worth buying a heli module? I can probably get away really well with the lack of a stick extension, but I guess I wont be able to pick up the hind if i dont get pedals

Ha!!

Or even just buy and fly a real helicopter 😅

Yeah just another "git gud" basically.

See my post, you don't need rudder pedals. But yeah, you're right for the rest, it doesn't come cheap. Buth then again, nothing does with DCS>

Yeah it depends on personal preference of course. VR is the future for sure

2D is allright when you are making missions and tweaking them. But flying? 3D all the way