I don’t think that’s the issue. He was a predator and wanted a young girl to manipulate. Unfortunately, she was 16, and could choose to leave home if she wanted, and she did. Where I live, you can leave school at 15 and date whoever you want at 16 without issue.

Yes at 15 I thought I was mature looking back as a 29 year old no I wasn't. I was an idiot.

@@immir6647 you’ll think the same thing about 29 when you look back at 40 lol

​@@WideAwakeHumanyep that's so true .I'm 45 now and am a completely different person that I was at 35. "Health is wasted on the young and wisdom is a waste on the old "

He had a mental problem, and these women could not see that

"He's defective and needs to be put down." -Jiles 👏👏👏👏👏

If youre not a newb to the show, you'll know the title is a warning.

Clearly you’re seven years old and have never heard of the holocaust.

Holy crap!!

I think I know what case you're referring to. The victim indeed lived through all that sadistic treatment and not only that but' by the grace of God, she was able to Somorize the series of events in the TV aired Documentary..

@@LightskinDenzel Hi 👋🏽 from Australia 🇦🇺… do you know the name of the documentary? 🤓

@@LightskinDenzel Yes, she was also assaulted 2 years later, by a new boyfriend. Big man, huh? She wrote a book in 2015, and is now an independent 42 year old Mother. Tina Nash is an incredible woman ✊🏼 x

Thank goodness 🙏🏻 🙏🏻 she’s still alive,she made it through that horror - strong 💪 woman. 41:35

Ikr. I've seen a lot of true crime video, and know of many truly horrifying cases, but this one left me so stunned and speechless. This is like a scenario from a horror movie. I can not believe that something like this happened in real life... Oh my God

It only seems bad because true crime hosts always make the victims out to be saints or angels and are missed by their loved ones. In reality these are just regular people who you wouldn't cared about if you knew them personally. The stars of these shows are the killers. Nobody really cares about the victims.

@@lilithdvs13 Dude, stfu. I see all your comments and you got issues, you should seek help u incel.

@@lilithdvs13 Well I know some people don't watch these shows if theres no mention of the victims. And honestlyno one ever thinks victims are angels, I notice a lot of people comments like this recently though "They weren't so innocent". No mammal on this earth including humans are innocent. But victims of a killing are victims of a killing. The stories these crime channels tell aid in establishing that they were indeed human- where we indeed would be desensitized to these situations in daily life. I know I watch these things to understand warning signs of future situations and for equal entertainment of seeing the satisfaction of something horrific not being a cold case.

Fr...this was a hard epi to listen to 😔

Yup… a puppet for his will. he hates us 😢

God allows the devil to exist so it’s still gods fault.

​@@HappyHarryHardonNot really the place to discuss this, but evil exists in the will of a man. Everything committed shall be paid, everyone will be held accountable for his actions. Evil is allowed here because humans have free will and are not programmed robots, this land and this life are not promised to be Great. But Heaven where this poor girl is, is the final goal of human life and there is no pain and no evil- just ontological communion with God. May She rest in peace and that man will for sure get what is his.

@@HappyHarryHardon yup you solved the paradox lol - ur a naive goof

Its not Gods fault...its james fault he did it not God and the 16 year old girl ran away from home after her own parents told her to stay away from that guy thats why it dont pay to be disobedient you wanna blame somebody blame yourself are you blame the true killer which is JAMES SMITH..NOT GOD!!!

I can’t cope with thinking about it. As a parent, I can’t bear when my children are sad or unwell. This would send me literally out of my mind, permanently.

Ya well, these parents completely failed their child.

She had double the intuition..a mother's and a woman's

@@ytallowskids2seedepravityb219 apparently not enough.

True ....I met over seventy years ...two of them...very deadly dangerous...I was lucky ....in the end

I know right?!! How she kept from saying hell no and chasing that creep off, I will never understand!!!!

I mean, I understand how anybody could do the same to him.

@@milanloranger8372 but they would be doing so out of revenge. So the mindset would be different. So would it really be doing the same to him as he did on to her? Honest question. (One I am pondering myself)

@@sarah_loves_mittens Very astute, I have formed the opinion that there are some crimes that can never be adequately punished. Even a death sentence would not balance the scales, her life was worth so much more than his. In these cases I think the best option is to lock them up until they die and hope at some point they accept the monstrous nature of their crimes.

@@milanloranger8372 DV creates the overwhelming majority of all monsters. Whether a person comes from generations of Family violence or they were born to a broke parent who did everything I could to shield the child from reality- it doesn't matter what made them be that way in the first place if they are that type of person in a culture that doesn't hesitate to do something. The psychology of DV isn't malleable like culture and awareness can be. I think it's long past time we have discussions about how although it's nobody's fault but the abusers, we all need to feed energy and awareness into a massive campaign for people who see, hear, or suspect DV to determine what the best way to help is, and then take action. Gather evidence if that's within their own rights. Open their minds to accept that abuse is absolutely saturated in at least the roots of most crimes. People need to know how abusers in general are created, and why it's true that even if these lessons became part of international public curriculum, many abusers would still get people in their grasp tightly & all the education in the world can't make it safer, or even possible to leave when abuse rears its head. If every single person understood the mechanisms, and these infectious advertising companies used their powers for good instead of evil lol, we could put a huge dent in the "minding my own business" attitudes, and really begin to change feelings & behaviors which aren't bad natured, but leave neighbors and Friends feeling the worst survivor's guilt known to humanity many, many times, daily... It can really dull the doubts and stigma around pointing out the maltreatment of others or calling places on the behalf of people who need help.

I don’t think we can even claim this man as a human being at this point, not even an animal, as they are hardly as cruel as this monster.

YES! Thankyou. Shitty parents with poor parenting.

I totally ASh. Can I add that you cannot think you can make them better if you just do or don’t do something. Love yourself enough to leave.♥️

Yet when parents do it, everyone says it’s fine

Who does ?​@@clairemeyer1851

This case has stuck with me as well, god bless her soul.

@@Fluer-de-Lis *rest her soul.... May this unfortunate, but special young woman rest in peace in the hands of the lord.

As someone who has been in the TCC for a long time, I hate to admit I am rather desensitized to the evil people do. This is the first time in a LONG time I have felt genuine anger, contempt, and a violent hatred towards a perpetrator of a crime this horrible.

💯 👏👏👏

My man 👊

I’m not excusing anyone here but this was over 25 years ago and the world was a very different place. It was still common for rape victims to be blamed for “asking for it”. and there were no specific abuse teams in the police. Victims of domestic violence are often living in denial - it is easier than admitting the hell you are in - and close friends and family can find it very difficult to break through that denial; their own and that of the victims. As I said, I’m not excusing anyone but societal influences do add context. We are not accepting of 13 year old girls being married in most cultures today but it was common place at one time.

@@kw2299 True K W,but back then the ages were usually 15 -17 year old. 🗽 41:35 41:35

You don’t understand the entire situation,abuse was prominent. People didn’t know what to do in such cases/situations. I’ll end this with 41:35 - all I will say is I know.

A friend of mine dated a 36 year old when we were 17. Creeped all of us out, as he had definite creeper vibes. Her parents, leftover hippies, were okay with it. Their relationship didn't last, thankfully, but, man, it bothered the rest of us to no end.

Any time my dad went after a woman, they were always under the age of 19. Has last wife before he passed of cancer is 4 years older than me, 19 years younger than him. It took me a long time of denial to realize how f^ cked up it is.

I was 16 when I had a baby with a 24 year old that beat me and nearly killed me then his mate who was supposed to have been "saving" me from my first love was 36 and I was 18 I ended up having a child with him and been beat by him for the next 12 years . And now see how gross it was and wierd as hell but at the time I didn't bat an eyelid and never thought there was a problem with the age difference. I'm 45 now and happiest when I'm on my own .

​@@vickythefist7062lol, you parents literally failed you. Sorry.

You are right, in fact, I cannot read some articles because I'm in Europe and the access to those, are denied.

Jeez, the case is horrible from what I read about it. And the fact that one of the guys was released and then went on to get away with r@$ing a CHILD…I’m speechless.

hiya love, Jiles doesn't read comments and suggested once using twitter to recommend cases. x

@Sky L I agree. that does suck. Maybe he really cant read them though. He does a lot of videos. Still, i agree.

@@buschovski1 I agree I'm not making a Twitter. Wow that's like a punch in the gut. U want subs and views but don't care enough to read our comments. Well f me.

Great grammar

@@pattimaeda6097 I'm definitely a grammar Nazi myself but only when somebody's being condescending (to another person). I would hope that you would agree that it takes less energy to scroll past a comment then to reply to it negatively and/or with negative undertones when said comment is not negative. Maybe you're just having a bad day. If so, I hope your day improves. 💛

@@pattimaeda6097 you seem like a fun person. Thanks for your input

@@sarah_loves_mittens thank you! You're so right! Not all of us are native English speaker. But we also have the right for an opinion.

@@pattimaeda6097 hope you enjoy being a grammar expert you miserable fool

Yeah I have never understood that. I heard about this case awhile ago. The parents knew he was way too old and had started seeing her at the age of 14. They saw she was being abused. They just never even confronted him though.

@@NikkiC777 right. Talkin about "they didn't want to intrude on her". Well look at the alternative ended up being. I can't imagine the guilt they must feel.

@@ashleyterchea1 Yeah. Them saying they didn't want to intrude on what their teenage daughter was doing doesn't make any sense at all. It sounds like they are making a dumb excuse for their irresponsibility, or they maybe are ashamed that they were conned too, or they were too weak and passive to stand up for their daughter. They definitely should have done more. I don't want to blame them as ultimately the blame lies with the perpetrator, but really they could have, and should have done more.

She was of age when she moved in with him, there was nothing they could legally do.

@@NikkiC777 she kept it secret for 2 years she was 16 when they met him and 17 when she moved in with him ,

It's not always simply making a bad choice. Most of the time heavy grooming is involved and the inexperienced and underdeveloped child is no match for that level of psychological manipulation.

I remember coming across a quote by someone. Love your daughter, tell them often cause if you don’t she will find a man who tells her and she will believe it. Something like that anyway.

Yep - sneaking out of the house. Not good

@@chickenlittle5095 Yep. I tell my little girl constantly. Unfortunately her father doesn't. We're divorced.

Teens are easy to con.

The mental fu@k these monsters do on their victims make the victims mentally unable to leave. How Jiles narrated it is very accurate. Brainwashing, putting distance between victims and their family and friends so they wo t see what is happening to their loved ones... uts so granule you don't even know it's happening or just put it off as they are having a bad day. It's horrific mental abuse. If they are really good at it, the victim has nothing left inside them to leave.

My mom was abused too and thankfully divorced my father when I was five. She drummed into me never to let anyone abuse me, just as you said here and I was always grateful for that!!! I wish poor Kelly would've had a stronger role model!! Hopefully other women will see this and learn from it before it's too late. RIP dear Kelly!!!

I hope his time in prison was and is pure hell for him.

He still has his eyes, so... nope.

@@SalveRegina8 yes very true

@SalveRegina I like the way you think

This is all I could think while watching this one.

Easily said when you're not in the situation..id have to disagree with you...its sad..id love to have a few hours with him

I know I'm messed up for this...but I can't comprehend that if ur being mistreated, at LEAST if ur partner can financially provide, I can somehow wrap my mind around a person staying, but then when they don't even have this stability in life.. I just can't understand. Like I said I know I'm wrong in my thoughts but this whole thing is baffling. I hope this poor girl rests in peace

I’ve personally known abusive individuals with similar behavioral patterns; they always guilt and shame their victims.

Its actually a standard here in U.K for any violent crime if you serve on a Jury.

they offer it in the states for certain cases

She should have done it too! Edit: Or seriously the dad should have. Lots of men would kill a guy if he was their age and they found out they had been dating their 14 year old daughter. Especially after they started realizing she was being abused.

And yet they let it happen

@@WuhanBatSoup_ impulse is something we all suffer from, just in different situations, Sometimes humans fuck up bad and there's just no excuse for being that stupid (parents included)~

Fair dinkum means. Your a peanut.

Volusize is a peanut.. fair dinkum

He is not getting paid . Commercials and Patreon , that is how he gets paid. It's not like a paycheck 😉

Emmie Anna,....I too, was a victim of a violent crime. Watching these videos helped me realize how much this goes on. ....and why. It wasn't my fault. 🌹😄💓

I watch too -Aussie as well. Excellent content, 💯 excellent research and each case presented really well.

Why doesn’t th!s surprise me. It isn’t dr”gs or @lcohol that makes a pers0n ev!l. Ev!l is a cho!ce. N0tice how he d!dn’t sit @round th!nking of ways to help str@y dogs… Every @ction is a cho!ce. Dr”gged or Dr”nk or S0ber.

This was the 90s. It was explained in the video.

These parents were asleep at the wheel and utterly failed their daughter. I was a teen in the 1990s and there's no excuse for them allowing a teen to be groomed and raped for years before even meeting the abuser. I hope everyone watching these videos learns the signs of abuse and works to protect the vulnerable, especially parents.

I agree, especially since as parents we are still deemed, for child support purposes, to be responsible for supporting them until they are 21.

In England they graduate high school at 16, and although most of us can’t fathom allowing our 16-year old to date anyone that old, sadly since it’s considered ‘legal’ age they couldn’t go to the police. Horrific story, RIP Kelly

@@eldoolittle teenagers can be very secretive can`t blame the parents for not knowing about him.

Ikr. Bad bad parents

Feel better Jay! 41:35 🌷

Get well soon! (Also limit your dairy as much as possible. It increases mucus which could in turn could make worse your pneumonia. An pneumonia is nothing to play around with. Damn near bout killed me almost a decade ago. If you can't breathe for real don't hesitate to call emergency services!)

Get better soon.

Hope you feel better soon

What I don't quite understand about some religions if this guy or any sadistic monster go to prison, they learn about Jesus for instance and he hates himself. Is it really possible for him to ask for God's forgiveness and vow to believe that Jesus is the one true God. Could he really make it to heaven? If so just don't seem fair.

Yes,exactly Sarah! 41:35

I cant even imagine...😪

Legal age in England. We may not agree, but sadly that’s the truth-still.

They should have nipped this in the bud when she was 14 and disappearing for days at a time to be with her 'boyfriend'. Baffles me they were okay with her to be with someone they had never met, or that a phone call was sufficient. They knew their daughter hung out with older people and yet believed her boyfriend to be a teen. Nope. The parents were naive and stupid and definitely didn't do their job.

Abusers are expert manipulators and no matter what they did, she would have found a way to see him anyway.

Agree I think it's worse than junkos

@@yMeNorDoFluXox Agreed.

​@@yMeNorDoFluXoxboth of them are disgusting and on the same evil level

her mother tried to tell her, she also called police and social services but was told because she was 16 there was nothing they could do, so she did try, a bit harsh to say massive parental failure.

Her parents were stuck between a rock and a hard place. I'd err on the side of extreme violence if I was her Dad, for better or worse.

Bc they did not care enough, bad bad parenting.

Go back and re-watch. Parents tried on more than one occasion-more than most parents do-to intervene. She chose to defend and return back to him. Though nobody deserves to be tortured and murdered, I find it hard to find much sympathy for people who keep returning to massively abusive partners. What can parents or family do once the abused make it clear that they refuse to leave? At that point, nothing-short of sit back and do damage control after. It was her choice.

Wow this is insane for you and your family! Sorry for what you all went through 😞

If they could not prove he was sleeping with her it was not against the law.

she kept it secret for 2 years, she was 16 when they met him and they did go the police and social services, they said nothing they can do at 16 she is classed an adult in the uk.

Hopefully, he's living in hell now.

You're just conflating the two because you're in your late 30's with a chip on your shoulder.

@@BulkernatorKerb I’m not actually in my thirties, but thanks for informing me about the chip on my shoulder; I’ll eat it if I’m a bit peckish later!🍟☺️

@@BulkernatorKerb crazy how tate fans never have a good rebuttal lol

I hope you got counseling afterwards. It would leave trauma I would think. So horrific!

Hi Benedict, my wife is South African and we love beautiful KwaZulu-Natal, where your name is from 👍 bit warmer and sunnier than Manchester lol. What affected you the most about this case when you were on the jury?

Bullshit

Truest comment ever

Perhaps they wouldn't have to go through it had they actually given a shit about their daughter and stepped in and done their job. They failed their daughter and i genuinely hope it keeps them up at night

@@TheLowest what do you suggest they should have done? You only have so much control over a teenager. And they had no legal recourse, once she was 16.

@@alex-qd6of make that dude disappear, or scare him enough that he never shows his face around her again. Abusers are cowards.

Chimpanzees don't they're pretty sadistic creatures sometimes. Also Dolphins and Whales will kill something, just to kill something. Same with cats, they love to play with their food.

Her dad should've killed him as soon as he met him, and realized he was his age, and had been seeing his 14 year old.

You are 100 percent right. When they finally met him and realized he was as old as her dad, and had been seeing her from the age of 14, they didn't do sh*t. It Said the mom wanted to stab him. Well she should have done just that!

That's what I thought. My family and myself used to live on the same road as James Smith. The houses were semi detached houses and the walls were guite thin, so you could basically hear everything your next door neighbours were doing. That's why I don't understand why the neighbours never reported hearing anything.

No, the sentence was life with a minimum ofm20 years before he could apply for parole. He did so in 2023 and was refused it because he’s still a risk to the public. In theory he could reapply at some stage but I doubt he’ll ever be released.

Did you ever hear about his abuse towards the earlier women? How old were you when your family knew him? How did they meet him?

Sadly David the abuse is insidious , they chip away at your confidence and have already isolated you from anyone you might have been able to confide in. They start off nice enough that you let the first incident go and all the small , subtle abuses leave you thinking it must be your fault the next time and on it goes. It's very complex and the brain washing is very difficult to overcome.

@@Asprouga such a nightmare for women. Perhaps we need to implement a dedicated law enforcement agency that has a broad mandate to protect women from abuse that might even include temporary suspension of civil rights for both perp and victim in order to ascertain the threat to a woman’s wellbeing. I know this sounds extreme but the police is often so unqualified to do more than make sure a woman answers the door.