Most of the magical grimoires, as far as I know came from Renaissance Italy. So, it is fairly possible that these practices predated the mentioned. period.

@@heinrich3088 Oh for sure!

those intellectually ill conceived people brought you calculus, navigation technology, and architecture that would have no parallel until the space age.

@@notloki3377 He said according to "his faith"... This has Aquinas as the subject of the phrase.

😮 ..he passed away 1274

@@zapitlucero7576and thank goodness. His argumentation was rather shoddy. But basing anything on Aristotle’s authority will do that.

THOU SHALT LOVE ME -idk descartes probably

Lol!

Esoteric plot twist: The FACTS and LOGIC are the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil that got us kicked out of paradise

@@naturbursche5540 esoteric plot twist, paradise never existed, and some of those facts and logic have gotten us closer to our better natures.

@@notloki3377 Chill, I don't believe in this literally, but in philosophical ways. Think about the first band of desert nomads from whose culture the Bible originates. They were living in paradise as savages as they saw fit until somebody brought up the first moral argument.

St. Thomas Aquinas was one of the Doctors of the Church.

Wow Mandy, you are way too generous! Thanks for the birthday gift, I really appreciate it. I hope you're having a happy New Year. I have been fending off sickness (chronic sinusitis) for the last few months, so my uploads have been a bit less frequent. I have a special election related to the channel coming up that happened to fall on the day before my bday, and I didn't even consider the outers. Now regarding Aquinas' mystical experience/potential stroke which caused him to say "all that I have written is like straw/B.S. compared to what has been revealed to me." I think he had the relatively common experience that the absolute eludes language altogether. I don't think it was so much a recanting of his former writings as much as an admission that language has hard limits in its ability to convey anything concrete about the more profound mysteries that sit at the threshold of death. He was awestruck and humbled to the point of never writing anything else for the remainder of his life, but I don't think he thought his works should be burned like so many others have wanted to do at the ends of their lives (I'm thinking of Virgil in particular here). Aquinas had always argued that some things (like the existence of God) could be determined by intellectual proofs, but other things (like the nature of the Trinity) could only be experienced by illumination or revelation, so presumably when he suffered a stroke he witnessed more mysteries to add to his pile of things that reason and logical proofs simply cannot grok.

oh wow did he suffer a stroke... i thought maybe, that he had a vision or something like that~ for sure.... and i wondered if... there had ever been any account of it.... but i had the impression that he remained silent​@@TheModernHermeticist

​@@TheModernHermeticisti hope your sinusistus clears up😮😢...yeah- not good for making videos to say the least! 🙈🙉🙊i've been under the weather, too... i have been rather illish for the last month.... i lie in bed and don't feel up to reading...and i have an old comfort stand-by; which is closing my eyes in the dark and listening to Terence McKenna videos...ha ha...omg. He's like a beautiful irish fairy::: 😂 his voice is like... idk! its worth an essay or poem. So... hang in there! ❤ ⁰🫡😛.. ! rooting for you☆ / ahhhh! 🦋 ( i was always like... what did aquinas encounter! let us know that ) ...

PS.... since i didnt know that Aquinas had a stroke around the same time as this vision or revelation which was beyond words... i tried to find symptoms of stroke , looking online... / so, maybe it was the stroke which cause the vision.... wow. 🏜 i am so interested in philosophy but also very much, religious experience.... so, i think: certain illnesses or conditions in the brain will lead to these perceptions; like in Epilepsy; which was known as the religious disease.... i actually have the lesser form of epilepsy where i get occasional 90 second focal seizures...but the thing is... i have read that, you may have like, only a few of these per year...per month or whatever, but it has an effect on many people with focal seizures, that they are very interested in some field or form of spirituality! And... its hard to know, what is uhm..real...so to say...especially when, a symptom of aura or seizure is, a change in perception which is so subtle, that one often doesnt connect the cause ...and attributes it to something metaphysical... it's the age-old question! But i would like to take the tack, that, well, whether its real or not.... is it meaningful and significant... i mean, it is very popular now in culture to question all of reality as a matrix or something~ so, yeah, that story always stuck with me, and it's quite emotional even, to learn that he had the stroke around the same time...as this vision. Thanks Dan 🩵

@@TheModernHermeticistPossible NDE? I’ve listened to a couple thousand or more of those who verified medically not physically alive and there stories … OH My. I quit listening to them as every human lives a different story and perception on earth… Apparently after as well. But the one thing ‘most’ have in common is ❤ Love engulfed them as never experienced. And All- Change their lives and try to find a way to be comfort to mankind- Some to feed and clothe - Some to work hospice… Me? Im writing- some will be songs- some are poetry ❤

Specifically planets and stars here (angels are thought to be supercelestial)

Or early puppetry and speaking tubes

@@Bildgesmythe Some manner of ecstatic vision resulting in hallucination doesn't seem implausible, but I'd wager much of it relies on accumulated context, i.e if everything and everyone in society and your books tell you statues will talk, they're probably gonna talk when that vision hits. We still seemingly have fairly frequent mystical experiences, more than ever it seems at times, but the expectations have changed and thus so does its character. That's my theory anyways, food for thought.

I assumed it was like how the buddhists who are not properly Initiated must meditate on and converse with an outward Bodhisattva or Buddha, preferably a statue (whereas the practice given after proper Initiation is to meditate on yourself as the relevant Bodhisattva or Buddha)

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He never considered reason apart from Christian revelation anyway... In the beginning of the ST he already gives reasons why theology should be proper called a science.

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​@@naturbursche5540 never come back.

He literally addresses Hermes and claims to refute him.

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Surely you can see that that's one isolated fragment of this dialogue, and it's pertaining to one particular statement "in Asclepius" (misquoted and without any context) As far as I can tell, the quote in reference here is; "‘And since I have spoken of the kinship and fellowship of men with the gods, Asclepius, acknowledge the power and strength of Man. Just as the Lord and Father, or God (his greatest name) is the creator of the heavenly gods, so Man is the maker of the gods in temples, who are content to be close to human beings. Man not only receives light, but he gives it. Not only does Man progress towards God, but he forms gods. ...Everyone agrees that the race of gods clearly sprang from the purest part of Nature, and their symbols are simply heads which represent the whole being. But the forms of gods which men create are taken from two natures: from the divine, which is purer and far more god-like; and from that which is within men, that is, from matter. Having been formed from such matter, they are not represented by heads alone, but by the whole body with all its members. Thus humanity is always reminded of its own nature and origin as it continues to represent divinity in this way. So just as the Father and Lord has made the eternal gods to be similar to Himself, so humanity has made its gods in the likeness of its own features. ...These statues are made alive by consciousness, and they are filled with breath. They do mighty deeds. They have knowledge of the future which they predict through oracles, prophets, dreams and in many other ways. They bring illnesses to men and cure them. They give sadness and happiness according to merit." The consciousness is bringing these statues to "life" and causing such effects; the book itself is clearly saying these "gods" are representations, not animate statues, so it's not really refuting anything, but REGARDLESS of that fact: Nothing else in this refutes Hermes Trismegistus; Its literally a single refutation of a very particular phrase that is generally up for interpretation, alongside a long set of arguments against the various fantastical practices of magicians.

X is the son of God, so. That makes it a vital X.

And man is a featherless biped, so that makes man a plucked chicken. Amazing what you can do with a lazy use of first principles, isn't it?@@Bobbyhiddn

@@Bobbyhiddn that's just like, your opinion, man.

Cringe

@@alem8100 useless and illiterate comment