Thomas Tallis - Mass for four voices

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jervilan

12 жыл бұрын

Thomas Tallis' complete "Mass for four voices"
PERFORMED BY CHAPELLE DU ROI

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@seekingsnavely 11 жыл бұрын

Tallis was SO gifted!! We are fortunate that his music is with us today...

@davidandrews5485 8 жыл бұрын

nothing like an advert before to set the mood.

@edheldur5328 8 жыл бұрын

+David Andrews Use adblocker, problem solved.

@waynechoma4648 7 жыл бұрын

How can words describe the heavenly majesty of this music! This sublime mass overwhelms the senses in sheer aural beauty.

@telemachus53 11 жыл бұрын

What a feller. To have his music sang 450 years after he wrote it! I wonder if Justin Bieber's songs will be sang in year 2500... I raise my hat to this amazing composer (and to you for uploading it!)..

@adamsendler388 8 жыл бұрын

I feel like I am in heaven!!!! Unbelievable!!!!!

@andrew01 6 жыл бұрын

11:37 that "Amen" is just beautiful

@cecilemoochnek8435 Жыл бұрын

thank you for this today/ happy new year to all in 2023/may the beauty of this resonate in our time

@ClaudiaGarcia-lw1zi 9 жыл бұрын

Vaughan Williams' ''Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis'' brought me here! So glad it did! :3

@johnwalters1341 5 жыл бұрын

If you liked the Tallis Fantasia, try RVW's G minor mass.

@patriciagriswold6798 5 ай бұрын

LOVELY !!!

@WolfyGreen 10 жыл бұрын

This is superbly crafted music - which serves the mass sublimely and ravishes the secular mind with its tender purity. This is a treasure of human achievement that gives a glimpse of something that transcends the ordinary.

@rodrigomunoz-ribadeneira5327 10 жыл бұрын

Your prose description is commensurable to the beauty of this music. Many thanks.

@WolfyGreen 10 жыл бұрын

Rodrigo Munoz De Ribadeneira Thank you, Rodrigo for your kind words :) When moved by marvelous things I strive to celebrate the artist's achievement above all - and to approach the work with great humility.

@arguspanoptes9510 6 жыл бұрын

And you are a Philistine not worthy to even listen to Tallis let alone appreciate.

@elizabethhenry6605 5 жыл бұрын

Well, this secular mind needs neither word-salads nor invisible sky-daddies to appreciate good music. Thanks all the same, though.

@arguspanoptes9510 5 жыл бұрын

@@elizabethhenry6605 Any time

@JSB213814 11 жыл бұрын

Tallis = one of the best composers in his day

@BigfistJP 3 жыл бұрын

In his day or any other day. Extraordinarily underrated. Can't think of any of his compositions that I do not like.

@maureensansburn6413 3 жыл бұрын

@@BigfistJP A great composer for all time

@francinesicard464 2 жыл бұрын

@@BigfistJP Not underrated, just the lack of interest for a very long time and the difficulty and complexity in performing these chants. But the Renaissance was full of wonderful composers and Thomas Tallis is one of its greatest representatives. His music is sublime.

@BigfistJP 2 жыл бұрын

@@francinesicard464 Merci beaucoup. J'aime votre avis.

@englishrose47 Жыл бұрын

One of the best composers in music history

@classy_dweller 9 жыл бұрын

Wonderful ,slowly flowing song which soothes the soul so deeply...

@Polomokipo23 9 жыл бұрын

Thomas Tallis ( Greenwich 1505-1585 Londres ) MASS FOR FOUR VOICES Sublime magnifique merci.

@francoislebedel4428 10 жыл бұрын

Quelle merveille. La filiation avec la Messe de Notre-Dame de Machaut est certes lointaine, mais l'émotion est la même. J'aime tout particulièrement la musique anglaise de la renaissance: Byrd, Tallis, Dowland, Morley...quelle splendeur !

@BigfistJP 3 жыл бұрын

Merci infiniment. Je suis d'accord et j'aime tous que Tallis a compose.

@krismariasy9728 10 жыл бұрын

This is the way masses NEED to be written today

@leoncohen2712 8 жыл бұрын

I soar inside whenever I hear this type of music so superbly done. If there exists a more spiritually radiant music than some of these Renaissance things, I would like to hear it.

@espionageacademy7555 5 жыл бұрын

Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare.

@arguspanoptes9510 3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps Spem in Alium also by Tallis. (Just forget about the link to 50 shades and love the music for itself. Vastly superior any day than that tawdry nonsense )

@Polomokipo23 9 жыл бұрын

Eternel grandiose la musique de la renaissance Dufay Browne Bird Obrecht Ockeghem Victoria Palestrina Gabrieli Gesualdo Des Prez Lassus Rore Tallis Tinctoris Marenzio et tant d autres merci.

@solcalderon726 2 жыл бұрын

Bella. Inmortal. Bendito sea Dios!

@davidpeteriarussi7956 4 жыл бұрын

Thomas Tallis or Tallys as he spelled it, was a self-proclaimed Roman Catholic through all the years of the persecution of Catholics in Anglican England. Well known as such he was so respected by Anglican forces in power that he was never sanctioned, arrested, or even blacklisted from creating and performing his prolific works. He spent most of his eighty years as an esteemed composer and musician in an age as is ours, of change, controversy, division, wars, crimes against humanity simultaneously coupled with acts of courage, mercy, forgiveness, discovery, science, exploration and the perfection of literature and painting. His music quelled the warring hearts bringing with its sublime harmonies a reconciliation of the beast within that quelled the fires of hatred that even now can be felt - experienced in-toto after four and half centuries of the greatest and fastest changes in history yet the effect of these harmonies remain unchanged on the human heart. 93

@elaineblackhurst1509 3 жыл бұрын

You’ve tried to make some thoughtful points but spoiled them by the entirely contradictory, and highly selective nonsense in the first two paragraphs. (I suggest you re-read the first two paragraphs). Just for the record, religious persecutions were carried out by all sides. The c.300 ‘heretics’ burned at the stake - including the Archbishop of Canterbury Thomas Cranmer - by the Catholic Queen Mary I between 1553 and 1558 topping everything. Tallis - and Byrd - both accommodated themselves to the situation in England very easily, and received a number of significant rights and privileges under Elizabeth I; they most certainly were not persecuted, nor were they victims ‘...through all the years of the persecution of Catholics in Anglican England’.

@yolandathiele776 7 жыл бұрын

This music brings out the sage in me.

@gerarddelpech9213 7 жыл бұрын

Thomas tallis, un des plus grands compositeurs de tous les temps et dont la renommée est encore trop méconnue en France

@Jamalshookup1 10 жыл бұрын

This was written during the later reign of King Henry VIII. It reflects Archbishop Thomas Cranmer's preference for simpler settings of the Mass. Early polyphony was easy to understand; by the time of Reformation England, it had become difficult to follow what was being sung, as the chants had become more and more complex. The cavernous echoes of huge Cathedrals and large churches did nothing to help. Here, Tallis writes a simple yet magnificent chant that harkens back to an earlier time.

@kendallhuffhines3168 10 жыл бұрын

Indeed! But listen to the homage paid to Ockhegem in, say, the Benedictus. "Simple," yes. But simple it is not. The cavernous cathedrals were, indeed, troublesome by this time. The slowdown attests to that fact. Good call, Jamalshookup1.

@ronwalker4849 5 жыл бұрын

THEN, AS NOW, THERE ARE IDIOTS WHO CLAIM THAT THEY CANNOT LISTEN TO POLYPHONIC MUSIC BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY OF THE VOICE LEADING. HE MAY HAVE BEEN HENRY BUT HE WAS AN INTELLECTUAL IDIOT, AS HE DESTROYED THE GREAT ARCHITECTURE OF THE CATHOLIC MONESTARIES. THE CONFLICT FOLLOWED ENGLAND RIGHT UP TO CHRISTOPHER WREN´S CONSTRUCTION OF ST. PAUL AND THE COMPLAINT THAT IT LOOKED TOO ROMAN CATHOLIC. SPAIN FOUGHT BACK WITH THE COUNTER REFORMATION BLOCK OF STONE KNOWN AS EL ESCORIAL. IT IS A GRANITE BLOCKADE ON THE SPIRIT AND MIND.

@DaveDexterMusic 5 жыл бұрын

You can listen to it no problem. But following it? Understanding it? In a reverberant cathedral, in Latin, with so much melisma and polyphony that the words are stretched out and sung over each other? No.

@elaineblackhurst1509 3 жыл бұрын

Palestrina was simplifying things in Italy too.

@williamababio6616 Жыл бұрын

Hello brother Jamal , thanks for the history , it's very educational .

@MedievalRichard 9 жыл бұрын

Some magnificent voices.

@hudsonbailey674 6 жыл бұрын

Otherworldly, transcendental. So what more has this rich world have that lies beneath mortal senses?

@isabelcoffey7850 9 жыл бұрын

This mass is beautiful.

@williamababio6616 Жыл бұрын

Yes , Tallis normally is , very unique and alternative

@modyson2853 10 жыл бұрын

Just lovely.

@rooiezita1 8 жыл бұрын

oooooooooooooooooooooooooh my lord! this is out of this world!

@hudsonbailey674 6 жыл бұрын

Marianne Van Eynde, my expressions almost entirely. Yet, at my late age, what if what we were hearing was a glimpse of a heaven veiled before our earthly eyes? Thank you for your rich input. It's the soul!

@juliepritchard6792 9 жыл бұрын

Humanity in full voice.

@eirikmagnuslarssen4242 9 жыл бұрын

Julie Ann Pritchard Humanity is much more than just us Europeans.

@weiland24 8 жыл бұрын

+Eirik Magnus Larssen 😕...😧

@alejandrovitali7107 10 жыл бұрын

Beautiful combination of heavenly voices .. I really like!!

@marthaselvaperlinger4205 10 жыл бұрын

beautiful music - i love TALLIS !!!!!

@englishrose47 Жыл бұрын

Sublime

@caudyemmanuel6989 7 жыл бұрын

Merveilleusement merveilleux Une jouissance auditive....

@keithsnyder4417 7 жыл бұрын

This music harkens me back to when I was 8 years old and in church! Great time , my friends, great times! My eyes tear up because where has that time gone! You could listen to this music without having to be shocked with that word coming up (i.e. starts with an "f" and sound like "suck"!) I amazed how degraded our time has deteriorated to the point where we made "millionaires" out of these poor pathetic souls! Keep up the great work!

@kactus_3008 2 жыл бұрын

You have spoken the Truth, my friend. Bless You!

@Santasbestbuddy 8 жыл бұрын

Such beautiful singing and musical timing from the conductor!

@JanKlassiek 9 жыл бұрын

Beautiful tempo, voices etc. etc. Lovely, listen...!

@BramVanhooydonck 9 жыл бұрын

frank lahaye Dan heb je nog geen 6 stemmen gehoord. Tallis heeft nog een prachtig stuk geschreven genaamd 'Videte Miraculum', wat zoveel betekent als 'Aanschouw het wonder'. En het lied is me nogal eens een wonder.

@WilliamBlaky 8 жыл бұрын

+Bram Van Hooydonck Bedankt voor de tip. Fantastisch, inderdaad een wondertje!

@danieleduardomartin5399 10 жыл бұрын

Bellísimo!!!!

@BernardBaars 8 жыл бұрын

wonderful - amazing

@larryhageman8163 10 жыл бұрын

Bravo!

@carloslopezluna 11 жыл бұрын

SIEMPRE HERMOSO!!!!

@369maja 2 жыл бұрын

💖

@amandah.416 10 жыл бұрын

Fantastico!

@wmmckee 8 ай бұрын

Beautiful!

@nightpuppett1 5 жыл бұрын

All I can say is beautiful....

@leonardodavidcl 10 жыл бұрын

Esto es maravilloso!!!!!

@LaEstacionFlamenca 10 жыл бұрын

Una maravilla

@mariamanuelalago3979 2 жыл бұрын

Maravilhoso

@us-Bahn 3 жыл бұрын

The amens sound compressed. They are so lush and jammy and sound marvelous when taken at a slower tempo.

@pink7732 9 жыл бұрын

wow this is really quite beautiful

@lylerubins9159 3 жыл бұрын

This is a great song and perfoance.

@robtandancam 9 жыл бұрын

People I have journeyed tonight from Ashra, mahavishnu orchestra, crass & to this because i had to. I am humbled by this, I am awed by this, I am stunned by this. whenever you journey through youtube please come back to the basics. Thanks so much for this.

@BytebroUK 9 жыл бұрын

I agree. It is a joy to hear such complex simplicity.

@johnmanganaro8478 9 жыл бұрын

robtandancam Very apt phrase: "journey through youtube." That's exactly the right way to use this amazing piece of technology. I like to think about what Tallis or any other pillar of music history would think about our ability to share these pieces, all these works in such high quality, instantly, worldwide.

@robtandancam 9 жыл бұрын

sorry

@diegocorrea2814 10 жыл бұрын

Excepcional!

@ChessRep 12 жыл бұрын

Wonderful mass, thanks a lot for sharing!

@robinterkzer8128 4 жыл бұрын

Wondrous ! xxxxxxx

@marilisestival8938 3 жыл бұрын

As vezes é muito bom curtir essas vozes maravilhosas pra fugir um pouco desse mundo cao....se bem que nessa época o mundo era pior....acho.

@Fox1nDen 9 жыл бұрын

Tallis was gifted and gifted with opportunity that allowed his works to be known widely and preserved. Blessed and blessed, says me, and blessed again to have appreciative listeners so many years after these were written. It is no wonder Vaughan Williams took inspiration from him--the wonder is that so many others who may have done the same did not credit him, as we can tell from here. Mr. Huffhines might know who else preserved Tallis in later choral works, here and there. Or Malloyism. If you are aware, direct me to some more works that show they learned from Tallis.

@cuddlebutt5197 9 жыл бұрын

Fox1nDen lol hey wtf

@eirikmagnuslarssen4242 9 жыл бұрын

Fox1nDen I'm not particularly into this sort of music, but my wife is. I have to admit this is lovely to listen to.

@Fox1nDen 9 жыл бұрын

Eirik Magnus Larssen Music soothes the savage breast, indeed, just like Shakespeare said. It is our link to the spiritual. Harmony is a poetic image for the best things in life, people having joy in right relationship simultaneously. I find it is also healing, so this is included in my hospice playlist. Don't we all need hospice sometimes?

@eirikmagnuslarssen4242 9 жыл бұрын

Fox1nDen Well, I always find my hospice and my shelter from the storms of life in the deep emotional bond I have with my lady. She's fairly spiritual minded, whereas I'm more practical minded. We compliment each other well.

@Fox1nDen 9 жыл бұрын

Eirik Magnus Larssen Sounds like. You are blessed.

@jorgearmasiparraguirre9476 10 жыл бұрын

Música muy especial y pensar que estamos hablando del renacimiento, algo más de 500 años.

@Avinakayjoon 10 жыл бұрын

I feel like I'm the only teen who would listen to this kind of music

@katerinajanova8135 10 жыл бұрын

You are not... :)

@AlainNaigeon 6 жыл бұрын

Eve, during summer courses I've met young people learning to play and sing that sort of music, and enjoying it !

@hudsonbailey674 6 жыл бұрын

I too was a teen whose secular self was lifted into the divine. Masterfully crafted to convert many to another, endless place, somewhere.

@gavinf.7890 5 жыл бұрын

You'd be surprised... except you're probably not even a teen anymore lol

@toompyfloyd4074 3 жыл бұрын

@@gavinf.7890 lol Hello there😄

@namiqui 8 жыл бұрын

4 voices at one time. there may be more than 4 performing. as for democracy, the journey more interesting than the destination.

@addison167 10 жыл бұрын

11:37 That Amen---man.

@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 8 жыл бұрын

+Malloyism Yes, quite. Finally, you notice Berlioz and his wonderfully spiritual music. Although he did not like the Catholic church at all, he did have an innate and ineffable spirituality.

@romearomeo 4 жыл бұрын

Musica Divina

@romearomeo 5 жыл бұрын

Musica divina

@grantkoeller8911 6 жыл бұрын

"Cantus Firmus example L'homme armé". Over 40 settings are known, including two by Josquin des Prez

@SwagAngel96 10 жыл бұрын

i love it ;)

@3113v3n11 7 жыл бұрын

Came here after listening to Eric p Dollard : the supernatural power of music

@billleland5909 4 жыл бұрын

Dear KZfaq, Why, oh why do you find it necessary to interrupt such heavenly music with your cheesy ads???

@tasoskolokas8443 4 жыл бұрын

I had this beautiful track next to my "slayer" playlist 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤘🤘🤘🤘

@user-ht4gb2fw4e 11 жыл бұрын

This is now an (Honor Song) for Charles 1st! ............Eternal Damnation to the devil Cromwell!!

@GrzegorzNowacki 9 жыл бұрын

Beautiful ♩ ツ

@CPorter 4 жыл бұрын

An article about music from the last 1000 years from Naxos Records brought me here

@BytebroUK 9 жыл бұрын

There's no attribution that I can see - who are this choir? Just superb, IMHO.

@egparis18 8 жыл бұрын

+Keith Willis I'd guess it's the Tallis Scholars. Perhaps if you Googled them you could find out for sure. :)

@arguspanoptes9510 7 жыл бұрын

Keith Willis chapelle du roi. 8 piece group from London

@TheApostleofRock 8 жыл бұрын

I wish that I could write music too

@TheGrandBrand 8 жыл бұрын

+TheApostleofRock It's a skill you can learn. First step is playing by ear, next step is improvising and/or composing yourself. It is often helpful to learn basic theory and music notation.

@carolineleiden 8 жыл бұрын

+TheGrandBrand Improvising a second voice or a basso continuo as an accompanyment live with any song you hear playing somewhere is a good exercise. Do it in major and minor and it will train you for polyfonic writing. It will become a second nature quickly and much more gratifying than just singing along.

@jiyujizai 4 жыл бұрын

😄🤗💛🌿💙

@paulneilan2736 8 жыл бұрын

Hard to believe that's four voices. Or do they mean four types of voices? Great either way, of course...

@TheApostleofRock 8 жыл бұрын

+Paul Neilan I suspect it means parts by voices. I think that's typically the case. But in either case, it's still probably only two people per voice. Stellar musicians, no doubt.

@hudsonbailey674 6 жыл бұрын

Paul Neilan, I'm speaking merely from inspiration. Let's for a minute say it's only four voices in the human realm. I'm not embarrassed to utter "angels". Thank you. I heard these supernal sounds in UK the years back.

@jannekekloos 10 жыл бұрын

@ jervilan, Can you please tell me who the performers are?? It's such a beautyful performance!!

@jannekekloos 10 жыл бұрын

***** Thank you, but I think it might be another choir/group. And yes, i have heard The Tallis Scholars, but not yet the Missa Gloria. Will look it up! Thanks!!

@jannekekloos 10 жыл бұрын

***** just heard a little part of it, will listen to some more tomorrow! read your comment on the Gloria part and saw that you heard them live, that must have been a great experience! The mass for 4 voices is my bedtime music for a week now, it allways calms me down. So from the Netherlands : goodnight!

@TimWard1 10 жыл бұрын

Janneke Kloos Indeed, another group, not the Tallis Scholars. According to the credits above, it is performed by Chapelle du Roi.

@aristotle358 10 жыл бұрын

Does anyone know how to reply to comments since youtube changed things yet again? There seem to be no reply button. Also my comments do not appear on my feed on my channel page. Any clues anybody?

@aristotle358 10 жыл бұрын

***** Thanks

@user-ht4gb2fw4e 10 жыл бұрын

Half the fuckwit techs at KZfaq should be hanged, drawn, and quartered!! They totally wrecked what was a very easy to use, colorful site!

@Labroidas 8 жыл бұрын

who are the performers? Mention them please. It is very disrespectful towards the performers to use their stuff and not mention them.

@jervilan 8 жыл бұрын

+Labroidas You're right, ill add their name.

@DavidNesbit_theTHINKER 8 жыл бұрын

The performers are an 8 singer ensemble, Chapelle du Roi, who are based in London, England..Enjoy!

@harlindon1748 3 жыл бұрын

Are catholic or anglican these chants?

@maryelisabeth7167 2 жыл бұрын

Catholic.

@kimwaite6865 11 жыл бұрын

anyone got the lyrics in english ler

@eulero75 10 жыл бұрын

Why does it begin with Gloria and not with Kyrie????????????

@thatmolloy 10 жыл бұрын

Kyries were rare in Sarum Rite mass settings. They were omitted because of the use of tropes on festal occasions.

@hudsonbailey674 6 жыл бұрын

Eulero, indeed in my submission to the elevation afforded by Tallis, I inquired as to the regrettable absence of the Kyrie.

@christaschrama8670 8 жыл бұрын

koffiezetapparaat

@carlosrodriguezotero9290 5 жыл бұрын

Sanctus - 11:57

@carlosrodriguezotero9290 5 жыл бұрын

Agnus - 17:50

@samuelhalim8450 4 жыл бұрын

How come this mass does not start with Kyrie first? But with Gloria

@bloodspatteredguitar 3 жыл бұрын

The English liturgy of the time often used a troped Kyrie (containing extra lyrics, or tropes) which was sometimes considered part of the Mass propers rather than the Mass ordinary. Tropes have fallen out of fashion since, and the Kyrie is firmly established as part of the ordinary.

@davetubervid 3 жыл бұрын

What happened to the Kyrie?

@bloodspatteredguitar 3 жыл бұрын

@ashleyal Жыл бұрын

No Kyrie?

@franklinohlin8224 11 жыл бұрын

who is justin beeber? (sic)

@satoua1 3 жыл бұрын

Where's the Kyrie?

@Tuor1993 3 ай бұрын

Was Tallis catholic or anglican? Is anglican this music?

@johncampbell643 22 күн бұрын

Given that the piece is titled Mass for Four Voices, I assume he was Catholic.

@DeusVivus 10 жыл бұрын

The new KZfaq reply and comments system s***. But the music is great.

@joshuasica7955 9 жыл бұрын

Not sure on that pronunciation.. I distinctly heard a "g" sound when they sung "Iesu".

@DieFlabbergast 8 жыл бұрын

Ecclesiastical music in Britain does not use historically correct Latin pronunciation (i.e., the pronunciation employed by the Romans themselves); it uses the Italianate pronunciation followed by the Catholic church. For example, _pace_ in Classical Latin would be "pak-eh," but is pronounced "pa-cheh" in all church music - particularly classical music works such as masses and requiems from the 16th to 20th centuries. _Excelsis_ should be pronounced "ex-kelsis," but instead "ex-selsis" is used. And _agnus_ (lamb) should be "agg-nus" but is pronounced "an-yus."

@sauljeromesanjuan4641 4 жыл бұрын

This is a historically reconstructed pronunciation as it was assumed to have been sung in England at the time (eg. "sabaoth" pronounced as "sa-bei-oth"). Note Charpentier's Te Deum is often performed in French Latin (eg. pleni sõnt çeli et terra) and Bach's Magnificat in German Latin (eg. kvia fetsit mihi mag-na). The current standard pronunciation for church and classical music is based on Italian, though many Germans still insist on a hard g on "agimus" ("aghimus" spelled in Italian orthography) for common usage.

@davidebert2066 2 жыл бұрын

}pzf

@harrybradford1501 11 жыл бұрын

is this pre-reformation music?

@hudsonbailey674 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Harry Bradford, I believe as Tallis was a glorious member of Henry VIII's Court he was coterminous with the Reformation and afterwards. Tallis, I'm convinced was inspired.

@ell635 9 жыл бұрын

I can twerk to this.

@ZephyrusSmiles 9 жыл бұрын

I'd watch that

@bleda7612 9 жыл бұрын

Fuck popular culture and it's slaves

@GP421 8 жыл бұрын

+Bleda Huh?

@minosabie1 11 жыл бұрын

I hope they stop sing them next week,

@mrnnhnz 10 жыл бұрын

Generally exceptionally nice. Almost all of the false relations came through very pleasingly, and it was sung with clarity and, generally speaking, faithfulness to the music. Shame about some of the pronunciation though. For example, 'excelsis' is pronounced 'egg-shell-cease,' 'coeli' as 'chay-lee,' and 'pacem' as 'par-chem.' Incorrect pronunciation detracts from my enjoyment. I'm aware of various schools of thought on the subject. None of them are more 'right' than the others (as a general rule,) -including what I've indicated above- so why not stick to the traditional pronunciation that most people around the world already know and embrace? "Because we're trying to be all nouveau artsy-fartsy," is not a valid reply...

@Samurai8989 10 жыл бұрын

It's Ecclesiastical Latin , i.e. the form of Latin in which this piece would have been sung in and the form which continues to be sung in every Catholic Church worldwide. The pronunciation is correct.

@golden-63 10 жыл бұрын

The Texan Traditionalist Not exactly. In ecclesiastical Latin the "Italianate" pronunciation is considered standard. e.g. excelsis--x-chell-cease, coeli--chay-lee, etc. In truth, most countries with a Catholic tradition have added their own idiosyncrasies to the traditional pronunciation. The Latin used here is what they would have used in England at the time it was composed.

@heliotropezzz333 8 жыл бұрын

+mrnnhnz I was brought up a catholic and learned Latin in a catholic school. I agree with you on the pronounciation of coeli and pacem. Excelsis I would say is pronouced eggs chell cis. At least that's how we sung it.

@john3260 5 жыл бұрын

mrnnhnz The singers are using the historically correct Latin pronunciation (i.e. the Latin pronunciation that the Romans themselves would have used).

@sauljeromesanjuan4641 4 жыл бұрын

Y'all are partially correct. This is a historically reconstructed pronunciation as it was assumed to have been sung in England at the time (eg. "sabaoth" pronounced as "sa-bei-oth"). Note Charpentier's Te Deum is often performed in French Latin (eg. pleni sõnt çeli et terra) and Bach's Magnificat in German Latin (eg. kvia fetsit mihi mag-na). The current standard pronunciation for church and classical music is based on Italian, though many Germans still insist on a hard g on "agimus" ("aghimus" spelled in Italian orthography) for common usage.

@DancerMililiVantili 7 жыл бұрын

"adžimus" tibi? wtf? LATIN!

@johnbrown9439 7 жыл бұрын

Gratias agimus tibi propter magnam gloriam tuam. I think the effect you refer to is caused by one voice getting to the "s" on the end of Gratias, just as another voice gets to "agimus", so that the "g" is softened to "gs" which we hear as "adzimus".

@johnbrown9439 7 жыл бұрын

Also, searching around there exists a text containing "adsimus" which Tallis might have been referring to, rather obliquely. "igitur quia nos ut affinitas, ita studia iunxerunt, precor, quoquo loci es, amicitiae iura inconcussa custodias longumque tibi etsi sede absumus, adsimus affectu; cuius intemeratae partes, quantum spectat ad vos, a nobis in aevum, si quod est vitae reliquum, perennabuntur. vale." The Elizabethan era was apparently full of hidden codes

@johnbrown9439 7 жыл бұрын

I found a translation of the above: "Since, then, our family connexion and our studies thus unite us, preserve the laws of friendship unshaken, wherever your abode may be; though my home is far from yours, let our hearts draw nearer by virtue of this affection, which I for my part will keep inviolate as long as breath remains in my body. Farewell. " Could Tallis have been sending a message to an old friend?

@johnbrown9439 7 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I forgot to give the origin of the text: Sidonius Apollinaris, Letters. Book IV Apparently he was a fifth century Gallo-Roman aristocrat and Bishop of Clermont. Somebody else writes: "Sidonius Apollinaris (5 November of an unknown year, c. 430 - August 489 AD), was a poet, diplomat, and bishop. Sidonius is "the single most important surviving author from fifth-century Gaul" ". Exactly the sort of person a Roman Catholic with friends fleeing to France, might want to quote. I imagine when they studied Latin together, this text would have been used.

@sauljeromesanjuan4641 4 жыл бұрын

@alpspitz1 10 жыл бұрын

Looks a bit like a hippie Mind you, I wear my hair long like that these days since I retired.... He married Joan but children had none....she outlived him by4 years.... Maybe he was a Jaffe?

@scottstrgacich1417 10 жыл бұрын

There exists no accurate contemporary likeness of Tallis. The picture you see was made over a century after his death. It's very possible he looked nothing like that, although this portrait was probably used as the template for the Thomas Tallis character in Showtime's The Tudors.