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Thomism vs Scotism w/ Dr. Kerr and Dr. Ward

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Philosophy for the People

Philosophy for the People

Күн бұрын

A Thomist and a Scotist meet in a bar... I mean, a podcast! ... to discuss all things metaphysical: causality, arguments for God, modality, individuality, Furbies, etc.
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@PhilosophyforthePeople
@PhilosophyforthePeople Жыл бұрын
Honestly, what I love most about this conversation is how much Dr. Kerr and Dr. Ward really and sincerely listen to each other throughout. What a great model these two are for productive dialogue! Here’s to Round 2, hopefully not too long from now.
@gavenkerr690
@gavenkerr690 Жыл бұрын
No coincidence our heroes were scholastics, and so adept at coming at issues from all angles in order to get to the truth of the matter.
@hugomunoz9039
@hugomunoz9039 Жыл бұрын
This should have 600,000 views... minimum... such a beautiful dialogue. Thank you!
@PhilosophyforthePeople
@PhilosophyforthePeople Жыл бұрын
Thank YOU.
@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns
@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns Жыл бұрын
This will be perfect after work when I’m cleaning the apartment ! Listening to you guys makes all of my chores fun
@PhilosophyforthePeople
@PhilosophyforthePeople Жыл бұрын
🤟
@ReverendDr.Thomas
@ReverendDr.Thomas Жыл бұрын
Good Girl! 👌 Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns
@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns Жыл бұрын
@@ReverendDr.Thomas You doin’ ok there, bud? Need me to call someone for you?
@deividuque8065
@deividuque8065 Жыл бұрын
You should invite someone who is an expert in Francisco Suarez and do the same exercise with gaven kerr
@philosophicallyinclinedchristi
@philosophicallyinclinedchristi Жыл бұрын
Do you know any works on suarez you would recommend.Its hard for me to find any of his works
@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns
@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns Жыл бұрын
Pat, your guests were wonderful, as usual. But I really want to emphasize that *you* need to get more credit. Your breadth of knowledge never ceases to amaze me! May I ask: why don’t you participate in more direct clashing dialogues with skeptics like Joe Schmid? You guys together would be epic.
@PhilosophyforthePeople
@PhilosophyforthePeople Жыл бұрын
Thanks, man! As for why I don't engage in more dialogues/debates, rather than host them? Simple answer: I'm just a wee bit too busy. This podcast (for listeners who don't know) is really a side/hobby project. My fitness business -- the real source of income for my family -- takes up an enormous amount of time and energy. Also wrote two books this past year and lots of articles on lots of topics. Moreover, I play in a local band (gigging and prepping for gigs takes a lot of time) and compose a fair bit of my own music as well. Above all, I have five children : ) So, it's much the same reason I keep interactions on social media to a minimum. I have to allocate my time extremely wisely to keep everything afloat and myself productive. Nevertheless, you'll see my most developed thought and responses to what I think the strongest objections from skeptics are in my upcoming book with Sophia.
@MountAthosandAquinas
@MountAthosandAquinas Жыл бұрын
God bless you Pat! We have three children and a lot of side deals going on as well. I can certainly sympathize.
@PhilosophyforthePeople
@PhilosophyforthePeople Жыл бұрын
@@MountAthosandAquinas I'll be praying for you!
@NightCrafted
@NightCrafted 10 ай бұрын
Dr. Ward looking like he's about to build some oil derricks 😂
@jimnewl
@jimnewl 8 ай бұрын
He drinks our milkshake.
@quad9363
@quad9363 Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah, this should be good. Thanks for setting this up, Pat!
@PhilosophyforthePeople
@PhilosophyforthePeople Жыл бұрын
Truth is, Gaven and Tom mostly arranged it, I was just lucky to come along for the ride : )
@woawh5616
@woawh5616 Жыл бұрын
My favorite type of podcast, thanks to pat, dr. kerr and dr. ward for this. Looking forward to pt. 2.
@jimnewl
@jimnewl 8 ай бұрын
A Thomist and a Scotist walk onto a podcast. The host looks at them and says, "What is this, some kind of syllogism?"
@TheBrunarr
@TheBrunarr Жыл бұрын
Great convo as well
@VACatholic
@VACatholic Жыл бұрын
Perhaps I misunderstand the definition of "simultaneity", but I fail to see how the "hand/stick/stone" example are "simultaneous", given that information can only propagate at the speed of light. To make my confusion more obvious, consider a case where the stick is 1 lightyear long. In such a case, if someone were to push the stick, it would take a year for the other end of the stick to move. In such a case, I'm not sure how you consider this all "simultaneous". At the very least, it gives the Thomistic account more plausibility, as the addition of the simultaneity constraints seems to just obscure the true idea trying to be conveyed.
@TheBrunarr
@TheBrunarr Жыл бұрын
My issue with haecceities is that I think the principle of individuation can't be formal or accidental/extrinsic to nature, but it seems haecceities are extrinsic to nature given that Ward says substances are composed of nature and thisness with thr furby example. Shameless plug, but I actually give a detailed argument for why the principle of individuation needs to be essential and a material differentia in my latest blog post responding to Alex pruss. Pruss doesn't like aristotelian matter. I also don't think pace Gaven that simultaneity excludes temporal extension as he alluded to. If I push a door open with my hand, the opening of the door takes a certain amount of time, but the motion of my hand and of the door are simultaneous. I think it is instantaneity rather than simultaneity that cannot be over time. I might be misunderstanding gaven though.
@PhilosophyforthePeople
@PhilosophyforthePeople Жыл бұрын
Plug away, my dude. Always good to have you joining in the conversation.
@TheBrunarr
@TheBrunarr Жыл бұрын
@@PhilosophyforthePeople thanks pat, you always make great content. My blog is The Armchair Thomist for anyone wondering. First thing that comes up in a google search or the link is in my channel About page
@MountAthosandAquinas
@MountAthosandAquinas Жыл бұрын
Great points. I agree with your reading of the issue of individuation when comparing a Scotistic account vs Thomistic.
@TheBrunarr
@TheBrunarr Жыл бұрын
@@MountAthosandAquinas thanks!
@CatholicismRules
@CatholicismRules Жыл бұрын
Comment for traction
@andrewvillalobos5686
@andrewvillalobos5686 Жыл бұрын
Reply for traction
@markbirmingham6011
@markbirmingham6011 Жыл бұрын
Reply to the reply for traction
@CatholicismRules
@CatholicismRules Жыл бұрын
@@andrewvillalobos5686 Snarky retort for traction
@CatholicismRules
@CatholicismRules Жыл бұрын
@@markbirmingham6011 Witticism for traction
@andrewvillalobos5686
@andrewvillalobos5686 Жыл бұрын
@@markbirmingham6011 Appreciative counter-retort for traction.
@ZacharyRobert
@ZacharyRobert Жыл бұрын
55:15 … Pasnau’s point is that realism and nominalism in contemporary philosophy is usually drawn along the lines of one’s opinion on abstract objects and according to contemporary rules Aquinas is a nominalist because he denies the existence of universals apart from the mind.
@PhilosophyforthePeople
@PhilosophyforthePeople Жыл бұрын
Good clarification.
@ZacharyRobert
@ZacharyRobert Жыл бұрын
@@PhilosophyforthePeople yeah, no problem. I actually really like Pasnau’s interpretation of Aquinas. I am partial to it. Pasnau states that for Aquinas there’s no mode of existence apart from the concrete and particular. Consider this passage SCG II 75.8 “although the generic nature and the specific nature never exist except in individual things, the intellect nevertheless understands those natures without understanding the individuating principles; and to do this is to understand universals. Thus, there is no incompatibility between the fact that universals do not subsist outside the soul, and that in understanding universals the intellect understands things that do exist outside the soul.” For Aquinas the universal is not universal on account of it existing universally, in the sense that there is multiple location. Because again for Aquinas there is no such thing, only concrete particular existences. Aquinas says in De Ente “the universality of the form does not arise from the existence the form has in the intellect but rather from its relation to things as a likeness of such things. It is as if there were a corporeal statue representing many men; that image or species of statue would have a singular and proper existence insofar as it exists in this matter, but it would have an aspect of commonality insofar as it was a common representative of many” We have to consider also a distinction between esse naturale and esse intentionale that exists in Aquinas. Wherein the essence as it exists in the substance is as the primary act. And in the intellect the essence of the object of our knowledge is as a universal. Absolute form does not exist, there’s always something which accrues to it, whether it is the intention or the matter. - this comment is somewhat scatter brained but I’m typing it on a phone. I’ve written a couple papers on this.
@ZacharyRobert
@ZacharyRobert Жыл бұрын
If you really think about it, Aquinas is basically a nominalist in the eyes of most people, but in the Middle Ages universals we’re not understood in the way that we understand them. Universals that don’t involve multiple location, don’t involve existence outside of the mind, and only exist in particularity isn’t what most people think of as realism. And even most people think that universals by their nature are incompatible with the insistence there’s no mode of existence apart from the concrete / particular mode. But again, Aquinas clarifies that it’s not universality in its way of being, but universal in its way of relations. It can stand for / stand in relation to many things. Like a corporeal statue.
@PhilosophyforthePeople
@PhilosophyforthePeople Жыл бұрын
@@ZacharyRobert Again, great stuff. I'm partial to Jeff Brower's paper on Aquinas and universals. Have you come across that one?
@ZacharyRobert
@ZacharyRobert Жыл бұрын
@@PhilosophyforthePeople I actually haven’t. I’ll read it.
@joeruf6526
@joeruf6526 9 ай бұрын
I'm gonna start pronouncing it THOE mist
@ozpiroglu
@ozpiroglu Жыл бұрын
Ağzınıza sağlık! Böyle birbirini güzel dinleyen bir grup görmek mutlu edici :)
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