Thompson Model 1923 Autorifle

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One of the very early entrants into the United States Ordnance Department's semiauto rifle trials was the Auto-Ordnance Company, makers of the Thompson submachine gun. For the rifle trials, they designed a .30-06 rifle using the same Blish-locking principle as had been applied to the SMG. Since the Blish principle doesn't actually work, this resulted in what was actually a delayed-blowback action which extracted at very high pressure.
The Thompson Autorifle, as it was called, used a very coarse screw to delay the bolt opening, and required oiled felt pads in the magazine to lubricate the cartridges as they fed. It was a particularly long and unwieldy rifle as a result of it's unusually long receiver, and is known today for having ejection so forceful that it could actually stick cases into wooden planks placed close to the shooter. Needless to say, it did not fare very well in trials and was dropped from consideration not long after this, the Model 1923.

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@JUNIORK1974 5 жыл бұрын

Blish is the "crystals heal your chakra lady" of the gun world.

@mikebabos4089 2 жыл бұрын

It's magically delicious!!

@magenlin Жыл бұрын

He's an "engineer type person" 🤣

@g6otu Жыл бұрын

Oh there's more money in crystals

@tucolalo8251 Жыл бұрын

Like saying edson was because he made mistakes not known by science yet.

@maotisjan 6 ай бұрын

Not exactly, that Blish guy really believed that his principal works, of course he should had asked a physicist first

@McCbobbish 8 жыл бұрын

I like how the back of the thing looks like the breach of a tiny naval gun.

@shinobi-no-bueno 2 жыл бұрын

That's the idea

@canceroushumor460 8 жыл бұрын

The ejection port should be stamped "face toward enemy"

@blakecaliper5406 7 жыл бұрын

"End him rightly."

@Burningnewt 7 жыл бұрын

Tobi Tran all guns need pommels

@tylertreski5960 6 жыл бұрын

I believe they've done something to that effect a long time ago. I've heard whispers of this marvelous weapon known as the "cannon"!

@gunnarkvinlaug7226 4 жыл бұрын

Who needs enemies when you got friends?

@drmaudio 8 жыл бұрын

This is often the problem with backyard (and even institutional) science. Blish had a theory, tested it, and the test bore it out, just not for the reason he believed. If an experiment isn't very carefully constructed, one can continue in error for quite some time.

@SuperAWaC 5 жыл бұрын

cargo cult...

@heateslier 4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperAWaC na it's just bad science!

@matthewutech5970 4 жыл бұрын

@@heateslier isn't that what he just said?

@heateslier 4 жыл бұрын

@@matthewutech5970 no sir, he said cargo *cult*

@matthewutech5970 4 жыл бұрын

@@heateslier I'm just going to assume you mean well, and also tell you why we termed this a "Cargo cult". And no, it not cause of anthropology. Long ago, there was a really smart scientist, mathematician, and part time bongo player known as Richard Feynman. You might of heard of him if you spent any time looking into the development of the nuke, quantum mechanics, being inspiration to various modern scientist and mathematician, etc. In the 1970s', Feynman made a speech about not falling into pseudoscientific practices and to be "ethical" scientists. One of the things he mentioned was something called "Cargo Cult Science", referencing but not necessary directly related to actual Cargo Cults. Cargo cult science, which is usually just shorten to "Cargo cult" in technical fields like engineering of guns, can be summed up as (per Wikipedia) "... a form of pseudoscience in which an imagined hypothesis is offered after the fact for some observed phenomenon, and further occurrences of the phenomenon are deemed to be proof of the hypothesis." As such, a cargo cult science basically "observing" a phenomenon, making an incorrect hypothesis, and instead of actually trying to prove or disprove it with further scientific test, the phenomenon itself is used as proof of the hypothesis. The reason why it called "Cargo cult (Science)" is despite the scientific veneer, it uses pure fiction and superstitions to try making practical designs; much like how a real cargo cult would try to make a working airplane by rituals and magic blessings without any idea why airplanes actually work. To sum up, cargo cult science make "Scientific" inventions that work just as well as if a shaman tried to make the same invention with "magic". Hence why "Cargo cult (science)" is a term for a sub set of pseudoscience.

@sumvs5992 4 жыл бұрын

The Blish Print has to be the best "task failed successfully" moment in history.

@kopperhed4472 4 жыл бұрын

"Autorifle" definitely sounds like something from the 20s. The era is written all over this piece.

@coreymerrill3257 4 жыл бұрын

Thompson was aware that in the future, human waves would be rushing our troops. So he invented a "tangent" rifle. You stand facing 45 degrees twords the left , and when you shoot , the bullet takes out one attacker and the case takes out another. With an entire unit doing this, you get good overlapping zones of fire...its GENIUS!

@AshleyPomeroy Жыл бұрын

I like to think he was trying to create a combined rifle / anti-aircraft weapon. If you hold it gangster-style it fires bullets towards the enemy, and hot shell casings at low-flying aircraft - which in those days were covered in flammable fabric. He's a maligned genius.

@thatwolffe3802 8 жыл бұрын

I could listen to you talk while I sleep, its like bedtime stories about guns.

@thatwolffe3802 8 жыл бұрын

-T-X-M- haha yeah

@blakeashley1957 8 жыл бұрын

+ThatWolffe Hahahaha! Laughed out load at this one.

@Gabriel87100 8 жыл бұрын

+ThatWolffe wish i could give more likes

@HoodieProduction 8 жыл бұрын

+ThatWolffe I actually do watch these before I go to bed to wind down for the day.

@nickwashburn723 7 жыл бұрын

omg I thought I was the only one that listens to the gun jesus lullaby

@andfranky8963 8 жыл бұрын

Interesting to see gun theory from the awfully designed side and how starting from a bad action type leads down the road to multiple chained problems of which there are so many in this one. These bad design help me to understand the good designs even more. Thanks Ian.

@Crlarl 8 жыл бұрын

Coefficients of friction (𝜇) are constant, but there are two 𝜇's for every combination of surfaces: Static and kinetic. Static 𝜇 is always greater than kinetic 𝜇. This is what Blish observed but didn't realize.

@phileas007 8 жыл бұрын

+dimmddr1 Possibly, or he forgot that the coefficient is multiplied by the normal force to obtain the actual friction, and that under pressure, the normal force may be elevated :-)

@Crlarl 8 жыл бұрын

phileas007 Very true.

@gadsdenguy4880 8 жыл бұрын

"...would stick into the pine boards if they hit mouth first." DAY-uhm Thompson, you scary.

@deepsouthredneck1 8 жыл бұрын

"Hey, you wanna shoot this gun based on pseudo-physics!" No thanks.

@vaclav_fejt 8 жыл бұрын

+dreyrugr And the Tommy gun was originally based on troll physics.

@someonestolemyname 3 жыл бұрын

@@vaclav_fejt And the Earth is a perfect sphere if smoothed, trust me on that

@orderofdusk2382 3 жыл бұрын

@@someonestolemyname You one of those flat earthers huh. How about you fuck off.

@someonestolemyname 3 жыл бұрын

@@orderofdusk2382 I just want to point out that Science is based on discovery and we should not rule out theories on them and label them as pseudo science right away just because it is different from what we expect. And that is how we know the earth is not a perfect sphere when people are sent to space with cameras.

@orderofdusk2382 3 жыл бұрын

@@someonestolemyname I am aware the earth is not a perfect sphere but I got the impression you were arguing some flat earth bullshit. Sorry.

@ToastyMozart 8 жыл бұрын

The "Firing Position" mark was probably meant to prevent people from treating it like the _other_ Thompson. (Open bolt vs closed bolt.)

@brianlojeck 6 жыл бұрын

For teh record, I wrote my comment (a year later) before I read the video's comments. :-)

@RockIslandAuctionCompany 8 жыл бұрын

Man, do I love the way this rifle looks. As for the violently ejecting brass? Psh, that's a feature! In close-quarters combat, you could fling the still-hot brass into the eye sockets of your enemies.

@muddyhotdog4103 7 жыл бұрын

Yep, good defense incase anyone is flanking you to your right

@killersalmon4359 7 жыл бұрын

Pretty bad if they flank to your left, unless you have the presence of mind to flip it upside down.

@andrewince8824 8 жыл бұрын

I can see how Thompson reached his conclusion regarding the "Blish Principle" however he came about it through a limited understanding about cams.Simply put, a cam is a system for converting rotational movement into linear and vice versa. Most screw threads including barrel threads are shaped to be cams which require a lot of rotational to create a little linear. Under the pressure of being fired the barrel is forced forward, the bullet acts like a temporary plug as hot gases expand, this puts a lot of linear force on the threads, enough to induce a small amount of rotation despite the friction of the threads. Repeat this a few hundred times and a noticeable amount of unscrewing occurs.

@JohnLeePedimore 8 жыл бұрын

If they had Fireclean back then it prolly would've got accepted.The Mystical Secret Formula would have certainly INCREASED accuracy.

@matchesburn 8 жыл бұрын

+JohnLeePedimore Fireclean not only lubricates firearms, but it cleans them as well. It even cures cancer. Once, I spilled Fireclean on an 80% AR15 lower. 24 hours later, a full, functional AR15 sprouted from the 80% incomplete. I hear Tier 1 special forces are even testing squirt guns filled only with the highly engineered, revolutionary, proprietary Fireclean Lubricant. Any enemy to the United States dies, instantly, upon contact. In fact, NASA is currently building a spaceship powered purely on Fireclean. They suspect we'll be visiting Alpha Centauri in a mere 2 weeks. *_FIRECLEAN™_* is truly a miracle liquid.

@stephenwoods4118 8 жыл бұрын

+matchesburn ROFL!! Brilliant!!!

@sithyarael6807 8 жыл бұрын

+matchesburn LOL Best comment thus far! That vegetable oil that is Fireclean works miracles!!

@NvrchFotia 8 жыл бұрын

+matchesburn Almost as good as froglube.

@damiangrouse4564 8 жыл бұрын

+matchesburn AND my sunny side up eggs taste wonderful 😂😂😂 Ps. After trying a few of these products; I've gone back to hoppes elite for initial cleaning and breakfree CLP for the finish.

@03outdoorschannel64 8 жыл бұрын

"FIRING POSITION" was the old school "GRIP ZONE" haha

@samiam619 5 жыл бұрын

03 Outdoors Channel I noticed that the “Firing Position” disappears when the bolt handle is in that forward position.

@opraners 8 жыл бұрын

wonder if Thompson ever found out if the blish principle was a load of blish.

@kyleh3615 4 жыл бұрын

It seems he died in 1921, and I domt beleive the Blish lock was phased out of the Thompson until the ww2 variant So I would assume he died believing he discovered something cool

@aixide 4 жыл бұрын

@@kyleh3615 He died in 1940

@tumurchimgee3367 3 жыл бұрын

@@kyleh3615 юкЮ ю Пююз90 .Юв

@someonestolemyname 3 жыл бұрын

@@aixide John Blish died in 1921 and he is the discoverer of the Blish principle. Feel kind of sorry for them to know it is just some weird stiction thing.

@darwinlovitt8079 3 жыл бұрын

p00ch oog8lonv:;viil:iike :: Virginia. Hijo8

@dogboy0912 8 жыл бұрын

Well hey, it looks pretty elegant , at the least...

@MrPizza-fe8jh 8 жыл бұрын

Judging by your recent video's. Someone was getting rid of their WW2 trial gun collection.

@JerryEricsson 7 жыл бұрын

Speaking of flying items from a firearm, years ago when qualifying for the PD, we traveled to a nearby city that had a very nice large outdoor range. Many small departments were there, as they gathered for our annual qualification for the State Peace Officers Standards and Training Department. The fellow in the next lane had a very old Smith & Wesson Military and Police Model, and it had seen a very hard life. It was very far out of time and was shaving lead with each round. It was my unfortunate position to be on the receiving end of that splatter and that crap HURT! By the time we had finished the first position, I was bleeding from wounds on my nose, cheek, and forehead, the lead bits were large enough that I had to remove them from my face with my fingernails and they bleed like hell. Needless to say, I developed one hell of a flinch and never qualified that time. I went to another qualification session later on, and the flinch heeled along with my wounds, and I qualified with no problem. We were carrying the old Smith Model 66's back then, a very nice revolver and it was my last time on the job that I carried a revolver, as I purchased my own .45 Auto and carried that for the next 18 years.

@fordxbgtfalcon 8 жыл бұрын

I don't understand why you can't understand why it says, "firing position", I'ts because if the bolt is back , ( which some people may have thought that's where it was supposed to be when fired ), you can't read it, but when in the proper position , ( bolt forward ), you can.

@KuraMad2000 3 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing "Firing Position" sounds a whole lot more tactical than "This Side Up"

@Somezable 8 жыл бұрын

They made a double projectile firearm for the price of one: one projectile comes from the muzzle and one from the ejection port :D

@Reckec 8 жыл бұрын

Great video as usual. I just wish I had the money to afford some of these wonderful time capsules of the history of semi-auto rifle development. These type videos are some of my favorite, as I love military history. Thanks for showing us these wonderful firearms.

@fhsreelfilms 8 жыл бұрын

Excellent video, and very interesting. I'm enjoying all the videos of the semi-auto trials rifles you've been making lately. It's cool to see all the different alternatives and explore their strengths and weaknesses. Keep up the good work!

@johnnschroeder7424 8 жыл бұрын

I really love this look into gun history, a wonderful video series I watch over and over.

@gonzisonsbc 8 жыл бұрын

You have so much knowledge regarding firearms. It's amazing.

@surfclod 8 жыл бұрын

Fascinating! Ian, you never disappoint.

@wills2140 5 жыл бұрын

As Ian has now found in his recent videos, the Blish "lock" does do a little bit of... *something* in the Thompson M 1921.

@russbilzing5348 7 жыл бұрын

I was aware of the .445, belt fed, 1500 rpm, bipod mounted Thompson machine gun, but this one is a new one on me. Just goes to show that I'm still capable of and happy to learn something new.

@KIWI_DUDE. 2 жыл бұрын

Do you have a formal designation for that? I can't find it online by any of the criteria you wrote there. It all just sends me to the SMG.

@aeoo371 8 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ian. I always learn something new when I watch your videos.

@dandel351 8 жыл бұрын

interesting gun there Ian , does it still function ? I would love to see how hard it ejects its spent cases.

@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын

+dandel351 It appears to be functional.

@carlosspicywiener8090 8 жыл бұрын

you are awesome Ian. I'm a gun nut, but you show me things I would otherwise never have known. i believe that knowledge is invaluable. thank you.

@blgarage9519 7 жыл бұрын

when you can binge watch videos without getting board those are great videos. you have yourself another subscriber

@iclimbeverything2990 6 жыл бұрын

$54,625????? N-NANIIIIIII??!??!!?!!!

@livefromhollywood194 8 жыл бұрын

Moral of the story: Engineer != Scientist and Scientist != Engineer.

@damiangrouse4564 8 жыл бұрын

And neither = Mechanic/machinist...that have to make their mistakes work. I think every graduate engineer should have to apprentice as a mechanic for 3 or four years (much like a medical residency) before before they touch a CAD work station, so they can experience "engineering" from the sharp end. I'm speaking as a former A&P mechanic/USAF avionics tech.

8 жыл бұрын

+Damian Grouse as an auto mechanic, i agree. it's very obvious that automotive engineers don't give a damn about mechanics.

@MrBioniclefan1 8 жыл бұрын

+Dana Herron yeah you can say that with the PT Cruiser.

@ROGUE-Two-Actual 8 жыл бұрын

is it just me or does the business end of this give off a Springfield m1903 vibe? wonder if this was international

@ge0arc244 4 жыл бұрын

Me: Sir this rifle functions ok but the ejected cartridges might KILL my Battle Buddy!?! My First Grade Lieutenant: Jump into the Enemy's fortifications and aim your ejection ports AT THEM!

@banditone00 8 жыл бұрын

Very interesting video. I love your eye for finding the odd stuff.

@SNOUPS4 8 жыл бұрын

The "Firing position" writing might be to indicate that you shouldn't leave everything open if you intend to make a shot. The two holes below the gun with a mysterious removed part might be a bipod/monopod?

@shinobi-no-bueno 2 жыл бұрын

Damn...thought I learned a cool new fact, glad I stayed long enough to not leave stupider lol

@ger128 5 жыл бұрын

It's so fascinating to hear the stories of all of these failed attempts to solve a problem (the first semiautomatic rifle). It's a nice reminder that dead ends and false starts are an inevitable part of solving any truly challenging problem.

@jayfelsberg1931 5 жыл бұрын

Interesting oil-assisted feed system. The Italian Model 1930 LMG and the Breda Model 37 used oiling systems.

@-oiiio-3993 3 жыл бұрын

The original Thompson Submachine Guns (Models 1921, 1928, 1928A1) had a felt oiler and retaining clip that wrapped around both sides of the reciprocating bolt group. It was one of the features eliminated on the Savage redesigns (M1, M1A1).

@EcclecticNerd 8 жыл бұрын

Very interesting rifle. Could that "Firing position" indicate which way that portion of the bolt needed to be placed when re-assembling?

@elchuco00 8 жыл бұрын

Love your vids bud! GREAT WORK!!

@luisantolafrancis519 5 жыл бұрын

the gun that shoots front and sideways at the same time !!!

@alfeovaldez8066 7 жыл бұрын

I love the way this rifle looks.

@tenhundredkills 8 жыл бұрын

Hey Ian! Where can I get one of those fancy universal disassembly tools? Haha!

@americanpatriot2310 6 жыл бұрын

I love military trial rifles

@watchguy79 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! Very cool, I have a Hoffer Thompson I am about to send to RIA. Thanks again

@phileas007 8 жыл бұрын

I've been injured by a violent extraction once, I think it was a FAL, anyway the gas setting was necessary or it wouldn't work, but standing right beside the shooter was highly unpleasant.

@peacefulwarrior4151 3 жыл бұрын

The two stags enjoyed this presentation very much... as did I.

@sbulla65 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Ian, love your work. the floor plate pin would be pressed with the point of a spitzer cartridge. but you know that. have you done a vid on the Remington model 1858 I would love to see you go thru the history on that. keep up the good work.

@derekdziobek5998 8 жыл бұрын

HK used fluted chambers to overcome the high pressure extraction issue, right?

@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын

+Derek Dziobek Yes.

@MadSpectro7 8 жыл бұрын

+Derek Dziobek It worked on the STG-45 but it's just not enough for a 7.62x51 NATO gun.

@derekdziobek5998 8 жыл бұрын

I thought that's what they did in the G3, as well.

@MadSpectro7 8 жыл бұрын

It started with the StG-45 and made it into the G3 (which was originally intended to be in 7.92x33) and then onto the MP5.

@GeraldDarden 8 жыл бұрын

+Derek Dziobek The HK91/G3 chambers are fluted as well. And as is typical of a delayed blowback on anything bigger than 9mm, it beats the hell out of the case necks and throws them pretty far.

@EpicGuard005 5 жыл бұрын

If I'm not mistaken, many, if not most of the "automatic" firearms at that time were firing from an open-bolt position. Since Thompson called this their "Autorifle" the "Firing Position" marked on the bolt may have been simply to specify for users that the weapon fired from the closed-bolt position, as the marking is not visible when the bolt is open. They may have simply wanted to ensure that no GI locked their bolts back and charged into battle thinking it operated the same way as an open-bolt automatic rifle. Probably something could have also been accomplished through training, but making something idiot-proof is a long tradition in military weapons...."Front toward enemy", etc...

@scottsaylors9037 8 жыл бұрын

hey Ian I really enjoy these videos and you're very knowledgeable. I'm a huge steyr fan and was wondering if you ever came across a old 1888 steyr if you could showcase it. thank you.

@chadbarrett3545 8 жыл бұрын

Corporeal what is wrong? Oh I see you have brass stuck in your skull.

@owainrichards4372 8 жыл бұрын

Imagine going to med bay with a shell stuck in your fore head

@cookie69420 8 жыл бұрын

+Owain richards med by plz more like take a knee and drink some water

@rickautry2759 6 жыл бұрын

I seem to recall that the 'Blish Principal' acted on examples of 2 different kinds of metal in contact with one another, thus the 'Blish lock' on the Thompson SMG (that was removed as being a waste of money, time, and effort during WWII). Of course, it was total crap, but I remember it being pretty specific about that.

@LuGer212 6 жыл бұрын

1:37 most passionate "slide" ever. Love Gun Jesus!

@bitfreakazoid 8 жыл бұрын

Really wish we could of seen the inside of this one. Interesting how trying to use the Blish principle basically caused this rifle to not very good and not used, while in the submachine gun it didn't cause the same problems and ended up becoming an iconic firearm.

@kevinsullivan3448 7 жыл бұрын

It appears to me that the cover plate that holds n the ejector is what keept the two threaded portions of the receiver from unscrewing. You can see the slot at the juncture of both pieces would work like a key on the shaft.

@lwilton 7 жыл бұрын

Looking at those oiler pads, I do not believe they were reversible. I think the back pad (which appears to be wider) was a reservoir that fed the front wiper pad. The metal plate between the pads probably either has some holes or the felt wraps around it at the top.

@gabber88ful 7 жыл бұрын

greetings from holland ian do you know how the oiling of the casings work is it the same as the japenese type 99 machinegun

@19mopar72 7 жыл бұрын

The are probably saying "Firing Position" in case someone not familiar thinks it fires from an open bolt like the Thompson. When you retract the bolt "Firing Position" is no longer visible.

@keeganharmon8595 7 жыл бұрын

Christ, Mr. Blish sure was obsessed with threads, having multiple threaded surfaces throughout this rifle, not just on the locking mechanism lololol gottdam

@keeganharmon8595 7 жыл бұрын

THREADS THREADS THREADS!!!

@AtlasJotun 2 жыл бұрын

"Cool gun, how's it work?" "Flux capacitors. A bunch of them."

@adawg3032 3 жыл бұрын

There’s no videos of it being fired I really want to see some ammo go through this

@jessewalby21 8 жыл бұрын

I can't help but wonder how far that thing would throw the brass. Any guesses?

@VegasCyclingFreak 8 жыл бұрын

Very interesting one this one.

@Gruwg2024 8 ай бұрын

that Blish dude must have fancied himself an intellectual when he thought he discovered that bogus principle

@therugburnz 4 жыл бұрын

I understand the not wanting an oiler pad system but why the dislike for the Pederson type prewaxed cartridge. Was it a known problem like 'storage temperature' or was it a speculated problem like 'storage temperature' ? I recall Ian shooting a Pederson rifle with what I'm pretty confident was original or other era correct waxed ammo. If my confidence is justified, the ammo was stored for decades and I doubt it was stored in perfect condition the whole time. To my recollection both rifle and ammo worked quite well. Was it just the preference for 30-06.

@txspyrate4446 3 жыл бұрын

So, what caused the reactions that led Blish to come up with his principle? Why were the blocks unscrewing?

@TroopperFoFo 8 жыл бұрын

So if it had a fluted chamber would the blish lock system work as a delayed blowback in rifle caliber?

@banditone00 8 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was wondering.

@TroopperFoFo 8 жыл бұрын

+banditone00 To bad we will never find it. I don't think anyone would try to make a Blish lock firearm again. Well I should never say never Alexander arms made a 338 lapua Flapper lock firearm. So someone might try it again who knows.

@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын

+TroopperFoFo Fluting the chamber wouldn't fix the root problem, it would just help with the extraction symptom. The rifle would still be opening at a really high pressure, and that's not a good thing.

@TroopperFoFo 8 жыл бұрын

Forgotten Weapons So you would need some type of vent system in the gun also? It seems it would a lot of work would be needed to make this system work for rifle calibers. Now I see why it didn't go anywhere. Doomed to fail I guess.

@MrAlumni72 8 жыл бұрын

Blowback with 30.06 is 'a whole nother ball of wax' - implying, of course, that it would be problematic: Obviously I'm no engineer when I ask - WHY?

@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын

+MrAlumni72 The .30-06 has a whole lot more energy that a pistol cartridge. The VG1-5 was a functional blowback in 7.92x33 Kurx, and needed a bolt weighing about 6 pounds to work safely.

@MrAlumni72 8 жыл бұрын

+Forgotten Weapons Thanks for the concise explanation - makes perfect sense now - I've done my learning for the day. :-)

@SearchEast2069 8 жыл бұрын

man, I love early Automatic rifles

@jonbush7467 8 жыл бұрын

Ian...If a case could stick into a plank of wood just how far would a case be thrown from the rifle? If the force was that great wouldn't one think that it could travel close to a hundred feet? If not farther.

@jackmehuaff7455 4 жыл бұрын

the "firing potion" gets covered up when the bolt is locked back so u can't see it...

@maverickpaladin4155 8 жыл бұрын

So is this what a semiautomacized Schmidt Rubin might've looked like?...locking lugs aft mounted with something resembling a straight-pull type action setup?

@zachk1983 8 жыл бұрын

Ian, perhaps the "firing position" marking on the bolt was an instruction that the bolt has to be closed to fire. I'm thinking this may be the case because the Thompson sub machine gun fires on an open bolt. (Thus the firing position of that gun would be an open bolt). Just a thought.

@firstnamelastname6333 8 жыл бұрын

Not likely to happen, but we'd all love to see this machine on C&Arsenal's light table!

@TokioExpress 8 жыл бұрын

Ever see a Tokyo Arsenal Type 2?

@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын

+Tokio Express If you mean the takedown paratrooper rifle, yes (I own one).

@damiangrouse4564 8 жыл бұрын

+Forgotten Weapons Now am hurt! That a rifle I would like to own but probably can't 💰💰💰.

@damiangrouse4564 8 жыл бұрын

+Forgotten Weapons Now am hurt! That a rifle I would like to own but probably can't 💰💰💰.

@TheNavyShark 8 жыл бұрын

+Damian Grouse The Mosin Crate had one for sale a couple months ago. I think it was about 3100 but it was in near mint condition.

@damiangrouse4564 8 жыл бұрын

+TheNavyShark Thanks for your response and the info! But with the kids in med school and college my budget for a rifle is more like $31😂😂😂

@bendover9862 8 жыл бұрын

It must have lost a lot of potential velocity if the cases were extracting so violently, wasted energy.

@jasondavies339 8 жыл бұрын

i have heard you mention at least twice the primer actuated rifle, have you done a video on one or can you direct me to a video or litrature on them?

@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын

+Jason Davies I have not done anything specifically on the system yet, sorry.

@DanielSvensson666 8 жыл бұрын

Very cool and interesting.:D

@damiangrouse4564 8 жыл бұрын

Psych! No "Blish Principle"! Navy dude after all...never thought improper tightening/torquing could have been the loosening problem.

@ITSTIMETOSTOP 8 жыл бұрын

I think it was vibration.

@damiangrouse4564 8 жыл бұрын

+IT'S TIME TO STOP Of course! Vibration, heat, cold, humidity, lubrication, type of material, etc. causes loosening. That's why properly engineered assembly/maintenance specs and procedures AND the implementation of these 'tightening/torquing' requirement is so important.

@mattcoily6281 4 жыл бұрын

Was it hard to have certain guns cut open to see the uranium residue scared into the barrels

@nosuchthingasshould4175 5 жыл бұрын

I wonder if that sort of delay would have worked any better with intermediate cartridge.

@NerdGlassGamingPA 7 жыл бұрын

This rifle is more expensive than my house :D

@paullytle1904 7 жыл бұрын

speaking of delayed blowback do you know of any roller delayed blowback pistols not semi auto mp5s without a stock

@thecatwithatophat4069 8 жыл бұрын

wow, this is actually pretty cool. It might not have worked but its a cool idea. I'm wondering if anyone else noticed the remarkable resemblance to a Kar 98 rifle.

@SkyPilot54 6 жыл бұрын

cool gun

@jansenart0 Жыл бұрын

I wonder if any early Thompsons are suffering from galvanic corrosion now.

@Ghost88890REAL 8 жыл бұрын

Have any classic Italian WW2 weapons? I would love to buy some.

@yoitired 6 жыл бұрын

It's so cool to hear about scientific beliefs of the time and how they influenced the making of things.

@nolanmcevoy2547 2 жыл бұрын

Little did we realize that Blish actually designed radially delayed blowback in 1919…..

@barabooaryansquad1873 8 жыл бұрын

Wow, I've never heard anyone say the Blish principle was fake. I thought it was just too complicated and expensive compared to simpler designs. Now I need to do some reading!

@ChimeranMonstrosity 8 жыл бұрын

"Abu Hajaar! Watch out! The bullet casings are hitting us!"

@mgkleym 8 жыл бұрын

Couldn't the firing position marking on the bolt be related to reassembly?

@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын

+biohazard 918 Yeah, it probably is.

@alexanderwaterman4179 8 жыл бұрын

I think the reason that says firing position is because when it's open its obviously not? that part is covered when bolt open. I mean that's pretty obvious but that's probably why?

@Sayider 8 жыл бұрын

+Alexander Waterman I think it's because the Thompson SMG fires from open bolt they thought it was necessary to indicate that this one actually fires from closed bolt.

@foughtwolf 8 жыл бұрын

+Alexander Waterman I feel like that its actually denoting which side of the bolt should be facing up upon reassembly of the rifle.