Yeesssss

Maple Blackoak so that is not the mind stone?

@@drakedy2145 nah that's Odin's sceptor, he's seen holding it a few times earlier in the movie. It's not until Loki falls into space and meets Thanos that he gets the mind stone sceptor. I think this is the equivalent of a crown

THANK YOU... he was just an innocent little boy

Definitely true

More like hot.

Laura they need to do so...it's all based on original comic

+Mr33500 It's actually fair considering Thor also doesn't love him.

Laura SO TRUEDGKFD

Laura it’s probably so people won’t like him too much or root for him. 💚💚😔😔

…."no Loki." I always felt bad at that part.

Onlyrealmusic4life You know, he could have at least had the decency to get both his sons off the bridge and to safety BEFORE talking to Loki. At the very least, they could have calmed him down and worked things out. Unfortunately, both Loki and Odin share the ability to say the wrong thing at the wrong time.

MoonGlow Simon Yeah, Loki is one of those villains that I think a lot of people feel bad for or at least understand what led him to become what he is.

MoonGlow Simon Pfffftttt! Odin does EVERYTHING at the WRONG place & time... besides, even Thor committed Treason against him b.c of his stubborn ass! >___>

Shay Mary is interesting that odin always prefered thor, but actually loki is much more like him in character , smart, really bad at dealing with emotions, makes a lot of nistakes with the people they love, stubborn but also good at strategy , even hela in ragnarok notices it when she says thor doesn't look like odin but loki does sounds like odin. on the other side thor is more like his mother in character, kind ,caring, protective, and despite what he says he really never stoped caring about his brother. but at the same time thor has the battle strenght and agresivness odin used to have in his younger days while loki in battle is more agil and uses daggers and magic like frigga

spikelilgirl I think that’s why they cut it; so the audience still thought of him as the villain. They cut it to give him more of a ‘bad guy’ feel

It shows the real side of Loki...

Dude.. showing that they handed him the crown and he didn't just grab it at the first chance, changes everything. After avengers they acted like crown was all he ever cared about, but with this you can clearly see he wanted acceptance more than anything else.

IKR? Bunch of idiots and all

Would have made Loki too sympathetic, we wouldn't have rooted for Thor as much.

no one roots for thor anyway. if they want us to root for thor, then don't make him such a selfish a-hole sometimes and give us something to be sympathetic for thor that doesn't track back to Loki again.

It doesn't change anything, because he was expecting this. It was a part of his plan. Don't forget he is a good liar. In this scene he was just playing a part. Anyway I always sided with Loki and for me he didn't do anything wrong. But this scene doesn't change anything.

Sara Quasimodo i don't know what to tell you, he looked quite surprised, maybe it was an act, or maybe he actually thought that odin had made sure that he would never be in the throne of asgard and that with thor banished, frigga would lead as regent queen while odin slept, in fact i wouldn't be surprised odin had actually planned that but frigga had decided to let the throne in loki's hands while odin was out as an atempt to show him that no matter what he just discovered he was still a part of that family and that she and odin ( even if in reality is only frigga) do trust loki to be in the king of asgard. that would also make sense because frigga's expression and words seem to be saying " you are are our son no matter what and i see you as worthy as your brother" besides while loki was or acted surprised, frigga wasn't, she looked like she had been expecting it. and it is logical thag if the king is out and the first son is not avaible, the second son would take te lead so why would loki need to act surprised, like he wasn't expecting it when it was the most logical thing to happen acording to the laws?

I love it cause hes just shocked and before he even takes his sceptor you can see his eyes are just begging to say "What? Why?" and thats why his mom had to explain. Even then he took the sceptor with hesitation. Loki never wanted the throne. Just the truth.

Alexis Hood Ikr!

Mr33500 Me liking him doesn't make me a fangirl...those are mostly immune to reason.

Simple. The current generation is very polarized; they see things in black and white. Making Loki's redeeming qualities more apparent would have been offputting to the special snowflakes. Thus they decided to assassinate his character for the sake of getting the audience against him.

Mr33500 I believe you missed the entire point in my comment.

Cupcake The Night Fury you're dumb as hell. He always wanted to rule moron

Killian Nah, there's actually a scene where Loki tells Thor: "I've never wanted the throne. I just wanted to be your equal". And it makes sense. Loki tried to prove, that he is as worthy as Thor is. Ofc, they were princes so being equal means he wanted to show he is worthy enough to rule. Loki was growing in Thor's shadow and that's true. Loki wanted to be appreciated and show his worth and gaining power was just a tool to do so.

Cupcake The Night Fury true

Tiger Um, ur the dummy. See Loki has had different motivations, in his various incarnations. And he's not even been the villain in every comic; there has even been a few incarnations of Loki being the hero, and even worthy of wielding Mjolnir. Now, in some incarnations of Loki in the *COMICS* he wanted the throne, but in the MCU, Loki never wanted the throne. He just wanted to be Thor's equal, and the movie's story totally proved that.

@@Woronoa "I never wanted the throne. I only ever wanted to be your equal"

He knew Odin would awaken and take the throne back. Plus Loki thought that everything he was doing was for the good of Asgard, except sending the Destroyer to wreak havoc on the town. That was mean but he did relent when Thor offered his life in trade.

@@AlwaysSomeone the spear he had there was feeding his negative emotions and feelings so it theoretically isn't his fault. It's Thanos. He gave him a spear that gives him power to use others while he was the real puppet...

To be equal to Thor= Get the throne

Wait really

@@juliocabral6949 He never wanted the throne, he just wanted to be acknowledged as equally worthy of the throne as Thor was. But apparently NOONE ever even considered him worthy. Everyone just went straight to kissing Thor's ass, to the point that in their minds, the only way Loki could ever get the throne was by stealing it through underhanded means. Noone (except Frigga) even respected Loki. Thor tells him to "know his place" and repeatedly mocks him (calling his magic mere "tricks", though to be fair, MCU Loki's magic is so shit that he has a point). Servants laugh at him. Sif tried to blatantly assault him on the throne just because he didn't want to listen to them DEMANDING him to bring Thor back (she was held back by Fandral). The Warriors Four (and Heimdall) commit blatant treason just because they don't respect Loki at all and immediately assume the worst of him.

Exactly. It's nice to see more and more people finally figuring out that Loki isn't that bad at all. I feel like Marvel just wants Loki to be the worst. I have a feeling that nobody ever told Tom to portray Loki in pain, he himself did that so people would notice, because Marvel doesn't aknowledge Loki's pain. Like, I'm pretty sure there was no "Loki is in pain" in the script.

Veronica Van der Schyff you are so right on. Every movie he is in is better because of him

Niniane17 well said

Niniane17 I have to wonder if this was originally supposed to be BEFORE the scene where Sif and the Warriors Three learn that Odin is in Odinsleep and he (Loki) is in charge until he wakes up & then refuses to bring Thor back (which would have been the same answer Odin would have given them). They probably cut it because it would have given Loki more credibility to the audience. Based on many of the deleted/extended scenes from the first movie they (Marvel) really had to attempt to make Loki look bad, more scheming. To bad it failed.

well he wanted to stop thor's coronation and prove thor was too inmature to be king. he didn't expect it would get as far as thor being banished, also he didn't expect discovering he was adopted and a frost giant and he didn't expect odin going into the sleep. and is not really that unusual, i have a feeling the outcome of tge chitauri invasion was a lot more destructive than his original intention, just see that moment when thot says is madness and that they can still stop it and loki says is too late and a tear falls down his cheek. i'm really not sure if loki really plans so much ahead or he is just extremely good at fast thinking and at improvising and adapting to any situation to always get the uper hand

Niniane17 your right, they cut the movie to make Thor the hero and Loki the villian. Mr. Hiddleston was so good that he still came out beloved

Thor was released before avengers if marvel had made loki look sympathetic in thor it wouldn't have had much impact when he became a villain in Avengers so marvel cut all these scenes and made look loki look like a selfish self entitled brat

Loki thought destroying Jotunheim would make Odin proud.

amy ftlight Kid Loki did pretty darn good in the comics. The only reason anything went bad there was because of... interference.

maybe even hela...

Loki is alright already

What he would have become worst

Frigga is a amazing mother in the mcu, She is amazing and truthful to her kids ( unlike odín) Frigga is amazing no mater what, I do agree that if she was a single mom I think that hela might have turned out alright lol

Loki has done a good job. He tricked all you into thinking he was some good guy. He tried to kill Thor and his friends.

+dannyhuskerjay Nah, even then he just wanted to disrupt Thor's crowning moment. According to the films and behind the scenes stuff, I'm fairly sure killing everyone wasn't his intention-mischief during Thor's moment was. Then it spiraled from there.

Laney Penn I agree. He is the TRICKSTER god after all, lol.

Laney Penn True. Everything just spiraled out of control. Loki only intended to expose Thor as the unworthy douche he was. He never intended for Thor to immediately disregard Odin's explicit command to NOT go to Jotunheim (thus committing treason), he (probably) did not expect Thor's merry band of ass-kissers (Sif and the Warriors Three) to just go along with that stupid idea, he did not expect that guard to be so slow to inform Odin of what was happening, he (probably) also did not expect Heimdall to just let them through (Heimdall was basically the last hope of them NOT reaching Jotunheim) and thus also commit treason (or just be incompetent or negligent). And then they end up in Jotunheim, where Thor utterly disrespects Loki (telling him "know his place" just because he dared try to get them safely back to Asgard), eventually leading to Loki discovering his heritage, Thor being banished and Odin falling into the Odinsleep (none of which he expected). Then the Ass-kissers Four immediately try to tell him to first request that Odin allow Thor to return, then when Loki is king try to request that he bring Thor back and disregard Odin's last order. Then they (and Heimdall) immediate commit treason AGAIN by disobeying direct orders from Loki (who, let me remind you/us, is legally, rightfully and legitimately the king of Asgard at the time). Which, by the way, none of them were even punished for committing treason TWICE, against two different kings (Odin and Loki). I'm not saying that Loki is innocent, but this movie bothered me a lot.

@@RGA301092 ...I'm going to be looking for this as I watch the movie for the first time. It did seem weird to me when I encountered the idea -- probably in a fanfic? -- where Loki justifies some of his actions with "I got on the throne and the first thing that happens is five of my subjects (including one of the most crucial, Heimdall) betray me. I'm at the helm of the kingdom during a coming war and I can't even lead the army because the second one of the frost giants touches my skin I'll be revealed and my people will turn their spears against me. I have to find a way to defend my home and definitively stop the oncoming threat without going near the giants directly or needing help from any other person because *I can't trust a single one of my subjects* -- oh, and if Thor happens to come back, everything is going to just get *exponentially worse* . And I was like "Seriously? The supposed good characters don't actually know that Loki orchestrated any of this, and they still go against orders and bring Thor back or whatever??" Argh.

Cletus1085

Odinsleep replenishes the Odinforce, his power, that also protects Asgard and the nine realms. Odin must sleep one day every year in order to do this. FYI, Odin is the most powerful being in all the nine realms!

RocketRoketto Odin does not seem to think about the effects his choices have in the long run. I mean lets face it, secrets tend to come out and they tend to live 5000 years or so provided they are not killed first. He was going to find out the truth eventually.

RocketRoketto worst comment of the year

Before Thor, before Loki, there was Hela. And yes, Odin was quite a terrible dad.

SPARTAN-501 not even frigga's excelent mother capacity was capable of saving that one ...

Odin: Oh you think I was a bad father to Loki? Hold my beer. *Thor Ragnarok*

Megan yep, loki was a momma's boy. i need more thor and loki's childhood flashbacks

Yes he is her favorite son and it shows.. they are very much connected to each other heart to heart. That’s why it affected him so much when she died, she was torn away from him.

I can't help myself noticing it despite all the other comments about how warm hearted Loki is . I do believe it was his turning point . This scene should be included in the movie ,as it not only brings out the character development of Loki but also defines Hiddleston at his best.

Rimmi Johnson I have to wonder if this was originally supposed to be BEFORE the scene where Sif and the Warriors Three learn that Odin is in Odinsleep and he (Loki) is in charge until he wakes up & then refuses to bring Thor back (which would have been the same answer Odin would have given them). They probably cut it because it would have given Loki more credibility to the audience. Based on many of the deleted/extended scenes from the first movie they (Marvel) really had to attempt to make Loki look bad, more scheming. To bad it failed.

MoonGlow Simon It totally was

Yup. You can tell this was a Marvel head decision. Kenneth wanted the movie to feel Shakespearean, and this scene would have added to that vibe.

MoonGlow Simon They wanted to make him similar to Red Skull , who's pure evil 😔

Yesh, Ik how u feels!~

He is no villain, he is far too misunderstood. And he is Thor's brother. He'll be redeemed in the end, proven!

Rachel Danna You are so not the only one! I totally adore Loki too!

Rachel Danna anyone who thinks Loki is "misunderstood" is an idiot, so yes. He is a murderer.

ultimateblaze23 YOU'RE the only one who doesn't like him.

QueenKiller445 his mother died in the movie though!?

captain pinky this is from 1st movie, she died in second one.

Exactly.

jinx.julie editing was bad. Tom Hiddleston is Oscar worthy here

Exactly. They should have kept it in it pisses me off that it wasn't left in then the beginning being in before Thor gets Moljnir back... And I hate that after Odin goes into the Odin Sleep it goes to Thor stuffing his face.

Weeeeeeell technically cutting the scene means it no longer exists in movie-verse. And they probably cut it because he is SUPPOSED to be an asshole; he is the villain after all.

Mewtata not necessarily, a deleted scene is only really disregarded when the film or it's sequels give contradicting information. Given how in the first movie they played sad music when Loki was trying to justify himself to Odin i would say that the film makers wanted you (the audience) to feel some sympathy for Loki, if not simply how the situation have unfolded.

Besides, they still included this scene in the DVD! This is part of the canon.

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jenniealexxa thor was dad's favorite, but loki definetly was mom's little prince, frigga looks so proud in this like, go loki, show them you can do it too. she is so adorable, such an incredible wife and mother the way she loves all of her family unconditionally, and such an amazing woman and queen so strong and wise

agree... such a raw moment... praise Tom's acting!

Yess

Yesh-

Definitely.

Personally, I wouldn't mind a 10 hour Loki backstory movie... :D

It also seems Frigga didn't mind have a frost giant on the throne.

Iluthra So I guess that means at least SHE trusted Loki...trusted him enough to let him take over, otherwise she would have spoken up.

Frigga called Loki a good son, and trusted him enough to be regent while Odin slept. I wonder what she thought on finding out what he'd done on Earth. We will never know.

He *was* a good son. He wasn't evil before his fall, just mischievous, ambitious and jealous, and that lead him to do bad things, but he was never inherently evil. He only lost his shit after Odin told him the full truth. Unless there will be a future installment of Thor with Loki going to Valhalla to see her...you never know, it could happen. I bet Loki would have plenty to tell her.

Bc of money. While I respect Marvel and Disney, I never trust their skills in character developlent.

Ohemge that would be an amazing twist. Like Frigga pretended to die to bring her family together cause she's like the heart of the family XD her love for them is so unconditional. Loki: MOM WHAT DID I TELL YOU ABOUT PLAYING DEAD, warn me.

Nicholas F she is Thors mum, she dident get "dragged into anything and TURN OFF UR CAPS LOCK

Juliet Clarke loi has a sexy voice :3

I love this comment, though Frigga is one hell of a fighter and (I believe) is a former goddess/watcher of death/war, she's a total badass for sure (did you see her in Avengers Academy?! She's a tiny angry cute little badass mommy). I think she wanted to be with her husband every second, I don't think that the succession line is misogynistic at all after all they are the Viking Gods and the Vikings were actually quite equal in the area of women's rights for the most part. The way he death went down has always seemed odd to me. Why would the woman who canonically taught Loki all of his trickery make a copy of a human girl and not protect herself when she would be in harms way, not Jane? It felt like, if she can do it for Jane, why not keep herself out of the line of fire? Also, she had this moment of ultimate badassery then got killed so unceremoniously it's disturbing. This character has so much potential, why cant Marvel use it?!

I really wish I could kick him then.

Supposedly even while incapacitated in Odinsleep, Odin can still hear and see everything throughout the 9 Realms. Hence why she said that. He might not be able to respond, but he can hear you still.

Jab_and_Amann well that is perfect, i imagine frigga taking advantage of that when loki leaves the room " well, now that you cannot talk back, let me say that i told you!!! i told you this would happen, i told we shouldn't lie to him but you being you were all , it'l be ok frigga, no one needs to know, well what now? one son vanished and the other with identity crisis...and don't get me started about hela odin, don't get me started. we always end in this messes because of your fucking wonderful ideas, you know what? i'm not getting you outbof this one, prepare yourself, the instant you wake up you are going to bring thor back, sit with him a loki and have a chat with them, and i mean as their father not as their king because i'm tired of dealing with all the parenting alone, and in the meantime i'll be shopping with sif's and the warrior's three mothers, we formed a moms group, so you heard me odin, you are gonna fix this mess"

Ansa Habib 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 i really love the way you say this

And even then, Loki still believed that Thor could be a good king one day...just not now. He even tells Laufey he sabotaged the coronation to "ruin Thor's big day, and protect the realm from his idiotic rule a while longer". Not permanently, just a while longer until Thor got his shit together.

Ever in fact. 👌

Yep, completely agree. It's as if they didn't want two competing, fleshed-out arcs, so they diminished Loki's to promote Thor's, which is such a shame. One, because they can both sit together and enhance the film by doing so, and two, because the reasons for Loki's downward spiral are more interesting than the reasons for Thor's upward spiral (particularly when, instead of centring those reasons on his banishment or his inability to wield Mjolnir, they reduce it (in Loki's view, at least) to 'he met a woman and decided not to be a jerk any more'.)

Maybe females do not get to rule. Thor said people didn't expect Sif to be such a great warrior.

Iluthra That makes sense for the myths this movie/comic is based on but not for the movie itself being made in modern culture. I guess the ultimate reason is that the script required Loki to inherit the throne to advance the story.

stiimuli No one ever said the Asguardians were modern. Though in all fairness, in the comics Frigga takes the throne at one point.

I think it would be a bit out of character for Frigga to take the throne. She is capable, but she is very motherly. She wants the best for her sons, especially Loki, so I think Frigga meant to give Loki a taste of kingship.

***** That's a good point.

Same! 😭

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sieara Claytor his mom was killed because Thor's girlfriend got in trouble. Why didn't they show that? Thor was a warmonger and Loki didn't ask for the throne. In hindsight? Terrible editing

I think it was kept in the movie , I mean. how else would you explain Loki on the thorne. As the new Allfarther This was the next scene. after Odin Fell into his Odinsleep as Loki was threatening him. Threatening that Odin was going to see. a frost Giant on the throne of Asgard. And in this scene here Loki makes due on that threat.

He was a good Henry V in the hollow crown