Three Stages of Painting: Egocentric, Geocentric & Heliocentric

Three Stages of Painting: Egocentric, Geocentric & Heliocentric | Odd Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv

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2 жыл бұрын

Jan-Ove Tuv sat down for a special interview with Odd Nerdrum to talk about the Egocentric, Geocentric and Heliocentric level - three stages of painting developed by Nerdrum and initially inspired by thoughts proposed by Tuv.
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00:22 The three levels of painting: Ego-, Geo- and Heliocentric
06:02 The sketch as the last layer
07:53 Scraping and digging to get the ultimate expression
09:07 Presentation vs Re-presentation
15:26 The aggression against the Greeks: envy or ideologically wrong?
18:23 Polytheism and a more harmonic life
23:58 Improvement presupposes a standard
28:05 Linear versus Circular time
32:15 Only Greek objects destroyed, or the problem of monotheism
35:36 Painters on the highest level are similar in all times
37:00 Aristotle on telling stories from the underworld
39:12 You cannot make heliocentric images from a specific time
41:39 A good picture is eternal
44:32 Marxist times with marxist rules
Filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
Video commissioned by Studio Incamminati in Philadelphia, U.S.
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@yutu49 2 жыл бұрын

The linear idea of ever progressing better to better begins with the enlightenment.

@CaveofApelles 2 жыл бұрын

That is exactly right. A lot of valuable information about this in Larry Shiner's "The Invention of Art".

@tejasnair3399 Жыл бұрын

I think it’s debatable whether a deterioration in the values of painting necessarily _proceeds_ from the Enlightenment. I mean the Enlightenment itself isn’t at fault. Do we really want to point the finger at the word ‘progress’? In what sense are kitsch painters _not_ involved in knowledge creation? They are discovering how to make a painting that truly works from an eternal sense. Perhaps you’d be tempted to call it rediscovery, so knowledge excavation, but no, when Salvo paints he is solving particular problems which the particular painting presents. I like David Deutsch’s sense of knowledge as that which _doesn’t_ end up in the wastebin. What the painters associated with Nerdrum are trying to do would seem then to be exceedingly in line with this view. The Greek sculptures were attacked on account of the failure of ‘knowledge’ on the part of those who did. This is a fascinating point of contention or misunderstanding (I’m thinking of Alan Dugan’s poem: ‘Against the Text, Art is Immortal’)

@BaldrArt 2 жыл бұрын

Thx for the Interview. We strive to paint the eternal which never can be described, painted or composed, only pointed at. Odd, Rembrandt Titian and the like are the very best at pointing.

@Crtnmn 2 жыл бұрын

Very true...as creative expression is at its highest form an impersonation of the creator. Creating a world or a shadow of a world. Whether an impression, an expression or a hyper realistic rendition, all things created are a romantic attempt to capture the mystery that s life. Not to mention the reason why. Thanks for your comment !

@33girard 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent conversation. Much appreciated!

@HimmelsscheibeNebra 2 жыл бұрын

What an enriching conversation! So beautiful and inspiring. Thanks and best wishes.

@thomasnaylor2162 Жыл бұрын

Thank you much.! Amazing conversation.!

@olgasam1785 Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I feel like a sane person now, knowing that most of the people I am surrounded with are just… normal majority 😊

@mr.someone52 2 жыл бұрын

Oh Wow, didn't see that coming...

@TRR-nf4jw 2 жыл бұрын

Heliocentric, I accept your challenge Mr. Nerdrum.

@robhead22 Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Rembrandt!! The demigod of painting!!! Thank you!

@parismetro2012 7 ай бұрын

Painting is a transcendent and metaphysical practice

@adrianzugravu6577 2 жыл бұрын

What a nice surprise

@kingsleysaxon9710 Жыл бұрын

One can't describe nature in one sitting or two sittings. To REpresent nature takes into account the dimension of time or psyche perhaps. I would suggest the painter can interpret the existence of a natural thing, taking into account the metaphysical, by the processes the great painters employed. Allowing transparencies on the surface to be the windows through which the view of memory, subliminal or subtle psychological states may be manifest. The Heliocentric realm is reached by expanding the dimension between the viewers retina and the canvas. Incidentally, I find it a little strange that in all the discussions I've come across so far referring to Odd's work, Kitsch or the techniques and philosophies of painting that arguably the greatest atmospheric landscape painter has never been mentioned. That being JWM Turner. His later works are the greatest sublime paintings in history. His technique was one of adding and subtracting layers until a translucent image was achieved. Certainly heliocentric. Constable on the other hand is a great example of a a naturalist , geocentric. Your thoughts?

@everthingtotal8798 2 жыл бұрын

If you paint or point to the eternal, it is good. If you become that which you point to, it is very good.

@davidaaronartist Жыл бұрын

Muchas gracias

@l_i_f_e_force 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastisk! Kommer det en del to?

@louielouie4187 9 ай бұрын

I would love to learn to paint in his studio, what a blessing if you have

@jazw4649 Жыл бұрын

Carravagio approved this lighting ✔️

@lenaglistrup5547 2 жыл бұрын

Koselig atmosfære mellom dere

@dfldf1 Жыл бұрын

precisamos de mais entrevistas com ele

@thobraa Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this interesting dialogue. What they are saying about circular and linear time reminds me of the idea of deep memes from Chad Haag.

@paulashford4155 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting.

@1977ajax 7 ай бұрын

Having lived my working life in film, I learned never to bother with anything any director or actor said about themselves or their work, because the tiny, _tiny_ bits that were even understandable, were likely not even true. I silently admire Nerdrum's paintings, but I now add painters to the same category.

@josephososkie3029 Ай бұрын

I agree.

@EG-uv8fd Жыл бұрын

8:12 9:36 11:44 24:55 30:22 31:44 34:47 39:50 41:39 44:24

@billcberger 5 ай бұрын

What is the word that sounds like “oh-pak”?

@JLKeener77 3 ай бұрын

From what I can tell, it's a mispronunciation of the word "opaque," which can mean unclear, cloudy, or difficult to understand.

@bzxshor67mpts Жыл бұрын

Interesting discussion "the public don,t like representational paintings in painting" Could it be something to do with our consciuosness being distorted through TV programing of Children tv viewing where simplistic unreprepresentional {cartoon figures} are conditioning children about aesthetics in Art.?

@TheGerogero 9 ай бұрын

Geocentrism is what? Opaque? Au parc?

@Mr960silva Жыл бұрын

Why is dark on studio ? Odd...

@zoilaugarte9096 11 ай бұрын

Or they want create an "idol".

@haha-bh2bq Жыл бұрын

seeing a lot of parallels with this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/erpyd9WjrdKZhmQ.html the part of still living in a christian era and of marxism being still religious but materialist. i just wanted to leave this here for anyone who may find it interesting or entertaining

@marlenemeek9030 Жыл бұрын

Oh park?

@ultrasignificantfootnote3378 2 жыл бұрын

To make western painting more relevant someone could paint a portrait of Projet Mozammed.

@olivierbolton8683 9 ай бұрын

marx and jesus are but shadows...long live light spiritual light inner light...gotta say it

@blackreazor 9 ай бұрын

R yall gnostic??

@olav1354 Жыл бұрын

Ahaha. It's so little light it's ridiculous.

@SymbolsPatternsGnosis 9 ай бұрын

This is a wonderful talk, however I’m disappointed there seems to be here a conflation of the paganism imposed on a people called Christianity and the actual gnostic origins and teachings of Christ. Gnostic Christians were apolitical spiritual quasi libertarians who existed most of the day in that heliocentric state. Here in the USA, most adults Act 17, and in Acts 17 St. Paul tells of his kinsmen Jason and the inverted world. Later in Athens, Paul explains who the statue to the unknown god is. Jude tells of the angels who didn’t keep to their realm and met humans on the street. You might want to read Christian scripture before conflating Christianity so called with the paganism that swallowed it. Christ taught to give Caesar what is his (nothing) and practice civil disobedience in a parallel society. But alas, there is nein eleven, just sept II a gint. Christ had 13 disciples - disciple means student. He repeadedly mocks them to their face and chastises their geocentricism. Christ, in Luke, sends out 72 disciples in pairs (2x36) into the desert to spread the good news and heal and exorcise demons. Uranium 236 is embedded here. The radio active. Stable Carbon has 6 protons 6 neutrons and 6 electrons - 666 is clearly the number of man and beast- the CaBaL of Carbon Based Life. In the Koran- the surrah on the Djinn / Genius is no. 72 There are 114 surrahs in the Koran and 114 logia in the Gospel of Judas Thomas The Twin. In John 1:14 the word is made flesh. The 13 Disciples are failed students The 72 Apostles are genius / genie And here shi comes - walk-in downs the street… Turns out you don’t know Christianity

@SymbolsPatternsGnosis 9 ай бұрын

Jason if Acts 17 is clearly Jason losing his Golden Fleece - or seeing the taking of the piss - the Golden Fleece job. Yeah- turns out the New Testament is just Greek mythology about Jonah/Jason in the inverted world of Acts 17. Christ has a multicultural group of means a women followers that included aristocracy and fish men. Doesn’t sound like frankfurts, guys. Fuck that sausage party.

@SymbolsPatternsGnosis 9 ай бұрын

In Jonah 2 - Jonah describes hitting the ocean floor and dying , succumbing to the depths of Sheol with seaweed wrapped around his head. This is code for sushi. Sous in French - to follow / second in command and Shi- Japanese for 4 and death. Sous Shi is the second death we await here in Hades/Sheol. We await the harrowing of hell aka the H2O. That’s the three days surrounding the Easter egg event… 72 hours. We get the word quarantine from the Italian quarantina - meaning 40 days. In John 20:22 Christ breaths out the pneuma of Pentecost. Tic tac…

@mariacaceres4312 13 күн бұрын

What is all this? The devil was there when adam and Eve were in the garden of eden.

@koala8313 2 ай бұрын

let's all listen to the two guys sitting in the dark who look like ogres, discussing how evil doesn't exist and is just a deception, and we should all worship idols and false manmade characters. or. evil does exist and these two fellows are deceived, hm.