Milwaukee M18 High Output XC 8.0Ah for under $95

Milwaukee M18 High Output XC 8.0Ah for under $95 - Is it fake?

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In this video we look at the Milwaukee M18 XC 8.0 that I purchased from Amazon for under $95. This pack looks very much like a authentic Milwaukee pack, but is it real or fake. We look at the packaging, the outside of the pack, look inside and then test for capacity. This pack has over 1K sold a week and has excellent reviews. We also take a brief peak at the Beast a 10Ah LiPo packs made from the 12Ah M18 pack shown in the previous video. Hope this video is helpful and thanks for watching!
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*7/3/23 Update- This pack is a fake, A well crafted Fake!
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@ddistrbd1 Жыл бұрын

People still fall for these fake items, all the seller has to do is price it right, high enough to make potential buyers think "at this price it has to be genuine" but low enough to make them think they're getting a deal .

@waynetaylor2784 Жыл бұрын

I actually bought the case only packs from Aliexpress, and bought genuine Samsung 21700 cells in Australia, and still holding charge, discharged and capacity is correct. I've used a few dead m18s with replacement cell's and just new case, looks good works good alot cheaper than buying original replacement.

@Brian_L_5168 6 ай бұрын

Most buyers leaving 5 stars review b/c they don't have your analytical mind. I almost fall into that Amazon XC8.0 deal but I already have 2 genuine XC8.0 so I let that 'good deal' pass by. These fakes now look so real. Thank you for exposing these fakes with such a methodical approach & analysis. I own Milwaukee tools for years and learn so much from you. THANK YOU SIR ! 👍👍

@mhsvz6735 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for another excellent review!

@johnhowington 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for this video. Purchased a 2 pack of these from Ebay. The battery LED indicator was a dead giveaway. They will get to enjoy the return shortly.

@chuckmccollim 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the hard work on this :)

@georgef7754 Жыл бұрын

A video review of the beast would be great. Thank you.

@papi-champoo6033 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for saving me time and money.

@jamesjames5715 Ай бұрын

great info sir!!!!!!

@earl3358 Жыл бұрын

Nice analysis and investigation. Maybe a internal resistance test and try to look up the cells to determine amp discharge rate. They may be a decent deal or maybe not

@jdmccorful Жыл бұрын

Interesting; surprised amazon would do this. Thanks for your skills.

@thatguyagain2693 Жыл бұрын

That light thing is imo a major indication if it's real or fake. I've seen other videos that mention how a genuine milwaukee will light left to right. If they all light up at once, there's a high chance it's fake. Not an expert myself, just passing on what I've heard from a couple of other sources.

@joshmartin7558 7 ай бұрын

👍 👍👍 Great video sir! Very knowledgeable and thorough. I've learned the hard way over the years is something is too good to be true, it DEFINITELY is. It's hard to beat the price of a big box store that sells their product day in and day out by the truck full. They are going to be able to cut the best deal possible between you and milwaukee. It's better to wait until a sale than waste money on something that is potentially not real. If you buy a battery from a big box store and it burns up your equipment, they will stand behind it. If you take them a half burnt battery and a burned up drill, you're on your own!

@PowerScissor 11 ай бұрын

The Beast is what I always want to do, but never seem to find the time

@sixtyfiveford 6 ай бұрын

Good video. I just had a pair of 6.0ah M12 Milwaukee batteries come to me as defective. They looked brand new but as soon as I opened the case FAKE. They did a fantastic job of faking it and unless you hold it side by side to real one it's impossible to tell. Other than the fake cells the nickle strips are always paper thin and actually what failed. The Nickle strip on both shorted out and disconnected itself. I added a solder trace across the thin area and put them back into service. The no name cells are more than likely 2.0ah max. On a side note the packs that I build for myself from the aliexpress cases I almost always add solder traces since I've had a few get very hot.

@ThriftyToolShed 6 ай бұрын

Absolutely, the nickel strips have been super thin on all the ones that I have seen also. Update on this one, it did fail at the nickel strip for the main negative terminal under the BMS board. It was being loaded hard on a super hawg. Smoke rolled pretty well because the plastic between the board and cells started melting.

@Your32Maker 6 ай бұрын

I bought a couple of those batteries same packaging from Ebay but these were XC6.0... an issue I had that red flagged these batteries, they did not fit any of my M18 tools, they wouldn't slide in... returning back for full refund... bought a kit last night from Home Depot, 6.0 & 8.0 no issues inserting into my m18 lights and tools...

@josephgraham1065 Жыл бұрын

I purchased 2 ryobi knock off batteries 3 years ago and they are still running fine. Like this one the capacity was a little bit lower but as a DIY person those batteries work great for half the price. The ryobi ones I purchased were on Ebay listed as after market batteries for ryobi.

@maukaman Жыл бұрын

Nice test. You definitely gave it the benefit of doubt with the cutoff voltage and it sure didn’t perform as advertised. Without any markings on those cells you have no idea what they are, could even be recycled cells. Would be interesting to see a high amp discharge test and a balance check right after. If those cells have any significant voltage difference at the end of the test that’d give a good indication that the pack won’t hold up to any heavy use for long.

@maukaman Жыл бұрын

I definitely need to get me one of those load testers. Do you know off hand how high of voltage pack you can test with the unit you have?

@ThriftyToolShed Жыл бұрын

Hi, It's 200V 150W. It is a nice tester for the price. Very handy. amzn.to/46xP1EB

@giorgipachuashvili2173 3 күн бұрын

where are produced those fake batteries?

@carmelo1874 11 ай бұрын

I actually bought one on Amazon for about $120 and opened it up and it’s the real deal. Looks exactly like the real one you have with Samsung batteries. Also the package was not the same one as the fake one here.

@ThriftyToolShed 11 ай бұрын

Several viewers have mentioned the one they received is real also. It is strange that if you watch the link I shared of the one I purchased it shows different sellers from week to week sometimes. Same link, different seller names. It seems it is a mixed bag?

@TranTek 11 ай бұрын

They did the same for Dewalt 5Ah even look so real outside right to the printing

@ThriftyToolShed 11 ай бұрын

Wow! Crazy!

@travissmikle2507 4 ай бұрын

I purchased a DeWalt 2 pack in the past from Amazon and realized it was fake because the charge didn't last... and the material was brittle. A couple months later Amazon sent me an email that the seller was banned and was removed for selling fake items. They even implored me to discard the batteries because they were hazardous and my full refund was on the way. I say that to say this, I don't think Amazon knows of these illegitimate products but as they made aware of them, they do their investigation and deal with it right away

@ThriftyToolShed 4 ай бұрын

I made sure to report this one as well and did get a refund so no complaints there. The bad thing is the seller seems to simply change names and it still shows my bought item as a link even with different seller names. This is going to be very tough to keep up with for Amazon. We as buyers are going to have to stay vigilant and that is one reason for the video. Thanks for sharing!

@thalegacy6 Ай бұрын

Doggone shame, that battey looks absolutely legit!

@ddistrbd1 Жыл бұрын

I made a portable power station which includes 4x 30Ah lifepo4 batteries in parallel(12V. 1440Wh) , could I use the spot welder you linked, with this battery or would I be better off with something else? I'd appreciate your input.

@ThriftyToolShed Жыл бұрын

That sounds fun! I mean the spot welder is super handy and works great, but I am unsure of how you are doing the LiPo packs to say for certain for your application. With 21700 or 18650 and using Nickel strips it works extremely well for the money. I use this welder in a couple videos so you can check it out in action. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m7ljna-pzZmzgY0.html

@ThriftyToolShed Жыл бұрын

BTW: I would like to see the power station if you do share a video of it. Let me know!

@ddistrbd1 Жыл бұрын

@@ThriftyToolShed What I meant to say was, the spot welder you are using in this video is connected to a small (HRB, 500mAh, 18.5V) battery, I was wondering, if I order that same spot welder, do I need to also order the same battery as yours or can I use my lifepo4 power station as the power source?

@ddistrbd1 Жыл бұрын

@@ThriftyToolShed I don't know the first thing about making a video , I'm not a tech savvy person and have never made any type of video, but I do appreciate the interest.

@ThriftyToolShed Жыл бұрын

@@ddistrbd1 I see. Ok it's more about the pack you are trying to use with the spot welder. I know the selection will go up to 60Ah and I believe 60C. I believe it will limit the power setting to just 1 gear or so depending on the size pack selected. I have not tried it with anything above 5AH and 50C. I know above that it will limit the level you can select to output. I believe it is a time setting so the large pack is not allowed nearly as much time as the smaller packs. You can see the gear selection and the LEDs on the pictures on Amazon. amzn.to/43hLTd9

@davidmcgee2126 Ай бұрын

I got ripped off a few years ago M12 6ah batteries. They look like the real deal but didn’t hold up

@Julian-zc9vm 3 ай бұрын

I bought a $100 M18 XC 8.0 online with the charger on Amazon and it’s real. The LEDs light up in sequence like the real one in the video and it weighs 2lbs 6 ounces like the real one in the video.

@ThriftyToolShed 3 ай бұрын

Awesome!

@jeffclark5024 5 ай бұрын

I just recently bought some fake M2 batteries off a guy on craigslist. When two out of the four of them were bad right out of the package I started looking into them and sure enough they were Chinese fakes. Luckily, the guy I bought them from was fooled as well, and didn’t intentionally sell me fakes. He was good enough to give me my money back and said he was going to return them. I don’t know Amazon even gets away with selling these.

@CHAGO1974 5 ай бұрын

Love it though

@ThriftyToolShed 5 ай бұрын

It's a handy little screw turner!

@rotaryenginepete 6 ай бұрын

I had almost the same thing happen from Amazon but it was a very good fake of the M18 12.0 AH HD battery, in the same type packaging too! The seller went out of business but they were called Southern Supplies. The battery started failing after a few months of ownership (just outside the return window) so I was able to send it in to Milwaukee and get a warranty refusal letter which I used to get a refund from Amazon. I guess I will only be buying Milwaukee batteries from Home Depot or certified sellers.

@ThriftyToolShed 6 ай бұрын

Wow! Thanks for sharing!

@davidedmunds3409 3 ай бұрын

I picked up a fairly convincing broken fake xc6.0 on eBay for next to nothing, perfect condition bar a bit of dust on the inside of the case. It had been put together badly but using quality components (lg batteries, a factory spec case with no serial numbers and a genuine board) and the only thing stopping it working / reason it cost me a pittance was bad spot welds on the cell tracks. As far as fakes go its awesome, not quite the 6ah it boasts but a soild 4.5-5ah. Gotta feel for the poor sod that paid good money for a good but faulty product with a Chinese warranty 🤣

@user-lp7dd7dz9m 2 ай бұрын

wonder if Milwaukee is going to get involved

@ThriftyToolShed 2 ай бұрын

I would say they have to know it's a problem, just how much they want to pursue is most likely directly linked to how much it takes away from them. Maybe it's just very small potatoes at this point? It sure is growing though!

@smokeeeee1682 Ай бұрын

Do you know any serious seller on eBay? I want to buy the 8ah one, but most are around $80, $90 and it doesn't convince me. I want to be sure, since I am from Panama, and I cannot return them

@ThriftyToolShed Ай бұрын

I just really don't know if any can be trusted 100% on eBay really. I am sure some are real, but I believe some of the sellers buy a pallet of stuff from time to time and I think they don't even know they are fake. Some look so real it's just too hard to tell if they were not purchased straight from Milwaukee or big box store....

@smokeeeee1682 Ай бұрын

@@ThriftyToolShed Do you know if there are counterfeit impact wrenches? I bought the 2967-20 for $230, I hope I don't run into bad luck.

@ThriftyToolShed Ай бұрын

@@smokeeeee1682 I do wonder about that. I have not seen one, but I haven't looked into it very much. I know there are many knock offs and they are easy to spot, but I wonder if some are truly being cloned like some packs and hard to tell at first glance.

@mellowjammer 5 күн бұрын

Can we assume that all Milwaukee batteries purchased at Home Depot are going to be genuine? I would hope so because they are much more expensive.

@ThriftyToolShed 5 күн бұрын

I feel it's safe to say so! They are buying directly from manufacturers. On Amazon and especially eBay not so much sometimes...

@TheKingOfInappropriateComments Жыл бұрын

Supposedly a new law has gone into effect in the US to put an end to the knockoffs from third party sellers. Its called the INFORM act or something like that. Could be a $50,000 fine to amazon.

@ThriftyToolShed Жыл бұрын

Wow!

@TheKingOfInappropriateComments Жыл бұрын

@@ThriftyToolShed you should report it to the FTC

@waynetaylor2784 Жыл бұрын

What I would dearly love to see is someone anyone do a Video on Milwaukee M28 V28 28v batteries, yes I know the platform is dead, but ive 20 batteries n 30 28v tools and I couldn't give them away without working batteries sure few clones on aliexpress but cells don't look quality AND they are 26700 lithium batteries which aren't common. No name brands, if only someone could adapt 21700 or 18650 to work in existing pack be brilliant, so many people stuck with 28v batteries systems n tools and bugger all videos with any solution, cheers Wayne australia 🇦🇺

@ThriftyToolShed Жыл бұрын

Interesting that the 28V has the 26700 cells. The 26700's are really hard to come by except somewhere like Bang good or Alibaba. Most likely the same cells you are trying to avoid. It would be interesting to see how easy they would be to convert over to 21700 cells. They should at the least be the same length and being smaller in diameter is better than the alternative. It does make sense to me to switch over to 21700 to save the packs for sure!

@ElectromagneticVideos Жыл бұрын

The shame about it is if they hadn't ripped off the Milwaukee trademark and labelled it as 6Ah it would not have been a bad product.

@RedFRC 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for reporting this product/seller to Amazon as fake. Far too much of this counterfeit crap going on unchecked. I also got stung on a M12 4.0 off amazon that even had a slew of good reviews. The color was slightly off and the plastics had some sharp edges..

@ThriftyToolShed 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing. One thing to note is the item in your purchase history will show later that it is sold by a different store. It's the same item it shows that you previously purchased. Apparently they are switching store names?

@RedFRC 6 ай бұрын

@@ThriftyToolShedUpdate from Amazon, I cannot contact the seller for a return since they just left the Amazon Store system. Probably will return in a few weeks under a new LLC. On a side note I learned of another tell tale sign of the fake M12's, none of them will have the microscopic embossing on the top by the connectors, and it will list the polarity/function of each of the terminals. All fakes to date have smooth tops with none of these super tiny indicators.

@ThriftyToolShed 6 ай бұрын

@@RedFRC Have you tried just doing a return straight through Amazon?

@samjooma7 Жыл бұрын

I think you got unlucky my friend! The one I received is legit. My first instinct was to open it as well.

@ThriftyToolShed Жыл бұрын

I actually bought it because I was sure that were not real of course. It was not being unlucky.

@samjooma7 Жыл бұрын

@@ThriftyToolShed guess that explains why mines real huh

@ThriftyToolShed Жыл бұрын

Well I had a really good idea at well over 5K sales a month being sold less than half price that it was fake. I tested it and was correct regardless of what you received. The seller is also switching store names back and forth now as well. I shared on video the real one and the one I received to hopefully help people be more aware. If you received an actual real one with Samsung INR21700-40T cells somehow that's great! Glad you are happy with it. I feel bad for the ones that receive the fake ones.

@samjooma7 Жыл бұрын

@@ThriftyToolShed ah which vendor was yours?

@ThriftyToolShed Жыл бұрын

It was Hunter's Outpost when I purchased the pack and after contacting them the same link to the pack goes to GLOQE. Now it actually is showing Hunter's Outpost again. Really odd.

@markwetty2269 Жыл бұрын

I purchased two 6 amp batteries labeled as oem, they are fake. Ebay is in bed with them.

@CHAGO1974 5 ай бұрын

Like Apple and microsoft. This guy fixing his Milwaukee tools with a Dewalt drill 😅.

@ThriftyToolShed 5 ай бұрын

🤣

@reasonablebeing5392 Жыл бұрын

Amazon routinely sells fakes with no policing, especially batteries. If they are honest about being a clone I have no problem (caveat emptor), but misrepresenting as original is a no no. I trust reviews less and less as time goes on.

@markwetty2269 Жыл бұрын

Ebay seems to be in bed with fake battery sellers. They did not back me up on a counterfeit sale.

@ryandetzel848 3 ай бұрын

Besides it being misleading, and lower capacity, do you have a concern with these fakes? They seem to work still, so I feel you're just getting a smaller capacity battery but you're also paying for a smaller battery. I have yet to find any safety concerns in my research, have you heard of any? If this is 5aH I think I would rather have two of these vs one real one....?

@ThriftyToolShed 3 ай бұрын

I have not had time to finish a video on that. I share briefly in a video of the Hole augers using the fake in a M18 super hawg and it let the smoke out. I will eventually update the failure of the pack. Good question for sure!

@kennethoros4043 5 ай бұрын

I won’t buy any battery from ebay

@ThriftyToolShed 5 ай бұрын

I would imagine they are worse than these from Amazon...

@nickthompson529 4 ай бұрын

It’s fake, you can tell by the lights, the rails, the text on the bottom sticker, and the packaging.

@spardasquadspqr3535 Ай бұрын

One thing u didnt mention is also color of its red plastic buttons. Original should match up color of your batter charger

@ThriftyToolShed Ай бұрын

It was a shade darker for sure. I was not sure it was obvious on camera or not, but it is a little bit darker. I would not have even noticed until they are side by side.