Thrustmaster's new AvA mechanical base!

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29 күн бұрын

I want to thank Thrustmaster for being the Sponsor for this channel. Today we are taking a look at Thrustmaster's upgrade from their previous flagship, the Advanced Versitile Aviation mechanical base, compatible with the previous generation of Thrustmaster products like the Warthog Hotas.
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@fireflyredux3373 27 күн бұрын

Here I am. Watching Ralfi play with his big black joystick...

@lMrWongl 27 күн бұрын

all it took was one white claw and im here watching all 13 minutes of it....

@Ethor98 27 күн бұрын

I only made it 5 seconds in. It' okay. Gives me a lot more to enjoy. Wait... wrong type of video. Oh well.

@mik-ws3zw 24 күн бұрын

Brother.... xDDDD. god dammit

@Tuuvas 27 күн бұрын

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="697">11:37</a> Ralfi just flexed on all of us

@Tigermoto 27 күн бұрын

Says the man who does it with a controller

@emgeepee-421 26 күн бұрын

Every Ralfi video is flex on all of us ;-)

@tickledpinkmist 27 күн бұрын

I wouldn’t pay more than $150. For $300 buy a Virpil.

@PaddyPatrone 23 күн бұрын

yup

@GypsyGaming8883 16 күн бұрын

I waited almost a year from Virpil before cancelling. I might give this a try if it actually stays in stock. Thats the only draw I found with Virpil you will be waiting a while...

@seapickles5762 27 күн бұрын

It’s better than the Warthog, but the offerings from VKB (Gladiator my beloved), WinWing and Virpil are much better value imo

@MohammedMohammed-rd9fc 25 күн бұрын

Spring wobble versus that dry clutch slide. _Mmm._ TM's reluctance to release enthusiast hardware is revealing to how niche said market is, as if the cut needed for middlemen and marketing couldn't be covered at competitive cost. VKB, Virpil, Slaw, Milan, Wingwing, (not up to date on Honeycomb's latest issues) everyone pulling the weight on that end of the market are a grace for their efforts.

@holdintheaces7468 25 күн бұрын

I got a full WinWing Orion2 setup for the same price you pay for a TM Warthog kit....There's absolutely no reason to ever get a TM setup if you can get WinWing for the same price

@MohammedMohammed-rd9fc 24 күн бұрын

@@holdintheaces7468 Indeed. Getting one ultimately meant swapping the base to upgrade away from the Warthog's gimbal. Even were prices comparable, TM doesn't quite compete on the same tier.

@virtual812 24 күн бұрын

Totally agree... This is just Thrustmaster playing catch-up with the competition. Too little too late.

@Froobyone 27 күн бұрын

Seeing your careworn TM Warthog made me realise how long I've had mine. 13 years. It's never missed a beat. Before the TM I would go through sticks every three years at at least. Probably the best simming investment I ever made. The new base looks great and probably finally gets rid of "sticktion", but I'm currently poor so I'll have to coax a few more years out of what I've got. Thanks for the video.

@DimosasQuest 27 күн бұрын

I just got a VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base, with free shipping no less, while on sale for less as 300 euros, just saying. But, good to see Thrustmaster's is getting back into the game, competition is always great.

@Phoenixfett 27 күн бұрын

So image my supprise when i log onto youtube to show my daughter the new Lego horizens game trailer only for her to say "Daddy, isnt that your f18 texture you made?" - cutting my self after say no dont be silly to end up with her being right, So Ralfidude, PLEASE let me say thank you for the honor of having my skin on your thumb nail you've made my day i really appriciate it (we have rebranded and i have also remade the skin if you would like the newer one?)

@XandreUK 27 күн бұрын

It's weird but I was very much in the same "I prefer it on the desk" mindset until I picked up my own desk mounts. The concept didn't really make sense until I had both throttle and stick mounted and properly positioned at which point I wondered why I resisted in the first place; I always thought the X56 was an oversized stick, not returning it initially because it was the ONLY thing that wouldn't break the bank at the time but after some positional adjustment I found all of the previously difficult to reach POV hats and especially that bugger of a button marked A easier to reach and the throttle toggles much more usable. It's still not the most ergonomic HOTAS but the mounts definitely helped. If you ever want to try it I'd suggest some of the universal mounts on Amazon. They're more of a task to set up but it means you won't be as locked into a particular brand when (and it is always when) you upgrade in the future.

@JPsTechReviews 27 күн бұрын

Congrats on 100,000

@murilomurakame 27 күн бұрын

Waiting for my base to arrive, to evaluate. But happy to know that the improvements are noticeable

@Rlaxox 27 күн бұрын

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="602">10:02</a> ... didn't expect that shit, man that was hilarious

@Chessbear78 27 күн бұрын

Congrats to your silver plate on youtube. Thanks for years full of infos, cool tutorials and other informativ clips. Greetz ot out europe - austria / tyrol.

@brandonleasure1234 27 күн бұрын

Yo Ralfi Ive been watching your A10c videos since middle school and now I've graduated college and work in a foreign country. Crazy how long you've been putting out peak content.

@risingsun9595 27 күн бұрын

Congrats, Ralf. I’ve been here since your AWACS attack vid with colt (an all time classic).

@PappaBear_yt 26 күн бұрын

Well, Ralfi... Glad you're alive, man! And congrats on that silver thingy! Hope everything is well. 🙋🏼‍♂️

@scottdaastol 27 күн бұрын

Gz on 100k🎉

@WinchesterDelta1 26 күн бұрын

Congrats on the 100k subs man. It has been a long time watching your vids.

@WhyIt_Games 27 күн бұрын

Congrats on 100k subs Mr.Ralfiguy

@DCSWORLDPAK 25 күн бұрын

Congratulations on 100K

@aquamich129 25 күн бұрын

Dude, thanks, that was a very nice video! great background music, nice montage. Did you ever notice why the yellow arrow as for on your warthog?? lol hilarious moment. Small tip I've learned on it. The easiest way to put springs is to lift the arm with your finger to shorten the distance between spings hooks! :)

@jubuttib 27 күн бұрын

The default dampers were my biggest worry about this, and sounds like it was well founded. Having played around with rotary dampers of that type I had a sneaky feeling they wouldn't be heavy enough. Hopefully they'll release much more powerful ones later. Thanks for the review and showcase ralfi, always love that you air out your gripes on these. =)

@PaddyPatrone 23 күн бұрын

Needing an adapter just to angle your grip is such a backwards move. Why does it work without an adapter on my virpil warbrd-d and not on the AVA base? This Base and its price doesnt make any sense.

@Nate-ip4qo 27 күн бұрын

Am I crazy or is the Virpil Warbird base more featured for slightly less money? That one has adjustable dampers in it, doesn't it?

@Chaos_Rifle 25 күн бұрын

Correct. Warbrd-D has better dampers and is more full featured, allows for a LOT of firmware tuning like axis-to-buttons and button-to-axis at a firmware level, and can accept virpil or thrustmaster grips, with hall effect sensors. No clue what the new TM base is using, but I am alarmed by it not being mentioned what sensors its using, or at least its resolution.

@marcusborderlands6177 23 күн бұрын

Welcome to "established giant brand vs new scrappy underdog"

@yoyoyoyoshua 26 күн бұрын

I've been using the AVA since release and at first I wasn't too sure cause of the bouncing but then after using it for some time and after setting some deadzones so far it's great for me.

@sunrrrise 22 күн бұрын

Because it is not impacting flying. It is just a bullshit artificial test. The only dumpers that would be welcomed are the ones that make your joystick basically a deadstick.

@IonoTheFanatics 26 күн бұрын

the additional height with the adapter seems to be perfectly suited for F-14, F-18 stick configuration arrangement with the stick in between your leg

@Wheelman_PCAS 27 күн бұрын

VRPIL WARBRD has been a great upgrade.

@PaddyPatrone 23 күн бұрын

Warbrd-D is even better

@norbertskalski62 25 күн бұрын

I can't believe my tmwh is nearly pristine. Got it in 2015 and played maybe a total of 150 hours on it, till my daughter was born in 2020. Haven't touched it since and now getting back into flying.

@mbsniper5775 21 күн бұрын

We love u ralfi !

@neym67 27 күн бұрын

I mounted my (legacy) Warthog to my Virpil desk mounts with a small piece of wood 'sandwiched' between. Allows for infinite placement of mounting screws from top and bottom. $0.02

@rainerbehrendt9330 27 күн бұрын

Had it on the first Day of release. Nice. First Time without crashing the Gazelle. Also lighter on the Wrist.

@drzanzibar 27 күн бұрын

Gotta say, good customizable dampers change the game. I have two vkb mk3 bases. With some nyogel they do not bounce/wobble. One is springless for heli flying and holds its place while also having negligible stiction. I think it costs less than this too. Definitely need to make sure that dampers are good (and regrease with nyogel which is so so worth the effortl

@warrenx9 27 күн бұрын

I got mine on the day of release and returned it within 24 hours. I also have had the TM Warthog since the day of release many years ago. I've always been a huge fan of TM(with many other peripherals). But after the AVA I just switched to the Winwing Orion2. I do have to say, I love it. Hopefully TM Can make the AVA better in the future.

@realheyday 27 күн бұрын

What in particular is wrong? Interested in comparing it to other options

@Soundwave857 23 күн бұрын

Drill a 10cm hole in your desk, mount the gimbal right below it so you can un-screw the stick and plug the hole with a flat plug. That price is ruff. I have my Warthog stick on the VKB Gladiator MK2 which costs 95€ and has a fully mechanical gimbal

@skatterpro 26 күн бұрын

Wake me up when they drop a FFB base.

@JonahTsai 27 күн бұрын

I really don't like the no center transition... 1 hour flight, and Warthog is back in my pit. So, my own force generation stick and base projects are still a go.

@abcpea 27 күн бұрын

I don't get why they are still making high-end sticks which are neither progressive rate or (sufficiently) dampened. Doesn't look too hard to add onto this, at least.

@slammerf16 26 күн бұрын

It's tempting but my next upgrade will be to FFB - hopefully the big players will pick up on that and a mass produced option will become available. My OG Warthog will have to soldier on for a while yet.

@hansiminator69 27 күн бұрын

I see Ralfi video, I click :)

@jakub-k 26 күн бұрын

he bacc

@Jackice 27 күн бұрын

congrats with the silver plat ralfidude, now it was about time you uploaded again, RL keeping you away so will there be any S&G any time soon?

@armeytank 18 күн бұрын

ill be more interested when they get force feedback for prop aircraft.

@HowlerBikeVlogs 27 күн бұрын

goddammit, i just spent a bunch on simracing equipment allready this year, and now they throw this at me... i was thinking of adding another stick base to my cockpit setup so i can more easily swap between stick on the side or between the legs setups... this might just be exactly the right hardware, using the mechanical base for right console, and the old warthog base for between the legs with an extension( i'd love that for chopper flying)

@hawkexo 27 күн бұрын

Insightful review. Thank you for the thorough breakdown

@silentflyer5498 27 күн бұрын

Thank you for the review. I must admit I was worried that the base would be a ball-in-socket type gimbal, but I must say that the quality of the cam type looked really solid and high quality. Funny thing (or maybe not) that on RC transmitters, even the really cheap ones from china, all have the cam style gimbals. So the fact that we still get expensive joysticks today with the ball-and-socket type is just shameful. I just wished that Thrustmaster would have worked a bit more on the height of the base.

@RIKAAR_Ambient 8 күн бұрын

FFB is coming huge this year! No More Spring Loaded

@henrikoldcorn 25 күн бұрын

Something you didn’t really mention was (for someone like me also coming from a TMWH) why should I care? What’s better about this mechanism than the ball thingy? I guess it’s…better, somehow? I guess I’ll look into it in a decade or so when my current setup starts to get properly old!

@utley 27 күн бұрын

300 bucks just for the base...used to be 300 bucks just for the stick & base. I still have my 13 yr old warthog joystick which I have modded to work on my VKB base, but I would be interested in knowing if going back to Thrustmaster would be worth it. Ive had a virpil warBRD, I use a VKB MCE Ultimate with a 200mm extension, and I honestly loved my warthog the most even with the gimbal issues and stiction stuff.

@bBersZ 26 күн бұрын

Half a G for another flight stick with no force feedback is certifiable.. It's 2024 and I am getting more immersion from an 8 button stick that came out in the 90's, why? Because of it's killer FFB.

@onibilos 25 күн бұрын

Warthog hotas is still the best! I have mine for 6 years and its like new, right out of the box look.it's the highest quality on the market still with metal materials and high quality buttons and switches. Also it is a replica of a-10! every other hotas its an imaginary panel full of switches.. The best for TM is to release a warthog thrust with metal thrustgrips, better slew hat and magnetic EAC switch. every other part of it is just perfect still!

@ReliefDragon 25 күн бұрын

While I'd happily agree with you that the TM sticks are excellent. The Warthog as a whole package isn't even close to being the best on the market. Its base is dated, cheaply made, and suffers from some serious design flaws that keep it from competing with the newer designs like the WarBRD and Gladiator.

@Tuuvas 27 күн бұрын

Babe, wakeup! Ralfi uploaded!

@Chaos_Rifle 25 күн бұрын

I'm up. I'm up!

@jubuttib 27 күн бұрын

You're calling this a "mechanical" base, so what was the Warthog one then? To my mind Cup & Ball gimbal is still a mechanism. =/

@AlexKall 25 күн бұрын

What I don't like with the warthog is the sticking.

@hhubert1088 26 күн бұрын

Hey Ralfi, do you have any idea if the ava base plate works with the Orion 2. It seems much sturdier than the one that came with mine and might be an easy 30$ upgrade if compatible

@ilejovcevski79 27 күн бұрын

Kinda agree with ya, offset adapter for a desk mount is a bit weird. Good info overall. Would i buy one? Certainly not right now, my VPC is serving me fine so far, and if anything i am more in need of a more functional throttle quadrant, but would i consider it in the future? Maybe, depending on the number of sticks available.

@djlolypop 27 күн бұрын

Brother!

@DrofsehDCS 24 күн бұрын

Do you know if the AVA Offset Adapter is compatible with the original Warthog A-10 stick and round base?

@boarnoah 17 күн бұрын

Thanks for the candid review, but Yikes. The amount of issues and caveats in place for a relatively expensive stick. I guess it is a good option if you are really into a replica-like Thrustmaster stick? In all other cases it seems like such a bad idea.

@ravagetalon 27 күн бұрын

Is the sensor hall effect?

@unklezam7873 27 күн бұрын

How does it compare to the WarBRD base?

@silverphinex 27 күн бұрын

still disappointed no FFB options from any of these manufacturers but its a nice base

@RW-zn8vy 26 күн бұрын

Because it’s expensive, not too many people will shell out like a grand in just a base.

@silverphinex 26 күн бұрын

@@RW-zn8vy And i can still be disappointed that they don't even seem to be trying to come up with a product to fill that portion of the market. I built my own FFB stick base and all up including grip it was around 850$ which yes is still expensive but not unobtanium

@RW-zn8vy 26 күн бұрын

@@silverphinex did I say you couldn’t be disappointed? lol I was just saying it’s expensive af. From a business perspective it’s probably not worth it. Especially since it’s a niche market.

@RW-zn8vy 26 күн бұрын

@@silverphinex also yes it cost you 850 to make yourself so imagine how much a company would charge people.

@fangboston4997 27 күн бұрын

I miss when Ralfi used to wear a button-up during these reviews

@the88tench3 27 күн бұрын

Can this base support a 3rd party 3D printed stick extension? If so, I may have to consider this as an upgrade path for my warthog stick. Wish Thrustmaster would make a FFB stick base that's at a sensible price too, given they've been making FFB wheels for years now

@rapidrapid2589 27 күн бұрын

ralfi you didn't say what was your preferred combination i.e Springs set, Cams and which Offset Adaptor you liked best. I would like to know just out of interest. I mean what was the that you found between the Jet and Aero. I understand that there will be a slight variance but not much. So what did you settle for?

@ralfidude 27 күн бұрын

I'm gonna make a followup video showcasing what I ended up going with. Just want to make sure I get enough of play with it first.

@rapidrapid2589 27 күн бұрын

@@ralfidude Sounds like a good deal. Will catch it when you air it as i am a Subscriber to your channel....gotta love the A-10!

@ColinDyckes 27 күн бұрын

I got my AVA base at release and use the Jet cams but with Medium springs. Gives me the same force as the original with a 6 inch extension. Really good upgrade!

@rapidrapid2589 27 күн бұрын

@@ColinDyckes I do the same

@CakePrincessCelestia 27 күн бұрын

No Force Feedback - again? So it's bull$#!+ - again. Will any of those companies ever even remotely understand where the money is actually at?

@oldmanfunky4909 8 күн бұрын

To expensive when there are better options out there. Edit: VKB NXT EVO $135 best option. VKB also has a very nice throttle.

@masterskilhollow 27 күн бұрын

Thanks for the AVA review, I sort of impulse-bought one already (I should never get on Amazon drunk lol), really liking it so far. I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't love that wobble. I hope TM hurries those dampners (dampers?) along. I'd been thinking about getting a base for my TM F-18 stick so I don't have to swap it on and off my aging Warthog base anyway, and the timing on the AVA worked out. I also like the offset doohickey; I use a Monstertech desk mount so the height is fine for me. EDIT: Oh, and congrats on hitting 100k, man, looking forward to many more awesome videos to come!

@WhiskeyDale 27 күн бұрын

you telling me Ralfidude doesn't have a Sim-Pit ??

@MIKEDRIFT 24 күн бұрын

What's a good plane game ? iam thinking about getting one just got a pc . And a beginner flight stick ?

@michaelfrock2473 27 күн бұрын

How would you rate this compared to Virpil.

@86abaile 27 күн бұрын

For the price it's not worth it. You'd be limiting yourself to TM sticks when for the same price you could get a virpil base that will take both TM and virpil sticks.

@ColinDyckes 27 күн бұрын

I pre-ordered and got my AVA base at release and use the Jet cams but I changed to the Medium springs. Gives me the same force as the original Warthog base with a 6 inch extension. Really good well engineered upgrade, and I used my existing mount as the holes are compatible. Ignore the haters, this is a great upgrade if you have TM grips (I have A10 and F18)!

@JK-dv3qe 27 күн бұрын

Ava Devine?

@Mak10z 23 күн бұрын

Awesome, now hear me out TM... FORCE FEEDBACK Please

@hornetj3777 27 күн бұрын

Will there be an Xbox compatible version? I hope many questions will be answered at FlightSimExpo 2024 later this month.

@onyoursix2268 27 күн бұрын

I've had mine for as long and thrustmaster basically told me to go F myself for parts but I'm not a KZfaq star

@ziepex7009 25 күн бұрын

whats all that white stuff on it ralfi

@McPinpin 24 күн бұрын

Congratulations for the 100k, and thanks for what you are doing Sir 🫡

@thedangerzone9399 21 күн бұрын

Be warned, Ava base doesn't work with Target software.

@gallagherthewolf5845 27 күн бұрын

Hi ralfi 🙂

@TomP-148 27 күн бұрын

Hi dad

@the_angry_cat 24 күн бұрын

Meanwhile my broke self with a 3d printed joystick:

@captainkiddoregon 26 күн бұрын

TM started local here in the developers garage. I went and picked up the first original TM from there, very nice individual. It was pretty much the first of its kind as far as fighter jet joysticks for PC. It really wasn't that great since the gimble system was aluminum and was a bit sloppy and wore a bit. But it was still cool. I still have it. I did upgrade to the Hotas Warthog too. Haven't flown in years but keep thinking about getting back into DCS. I really like the idea of this new base. We'll see if I pick one up in the near future. Thank you Ralfi for this review. Miss seeing new videos though.

@jimmy8x541 9 күн бұрын

blergh!! stop being a desktop weirdo and embrace the mounts! they are such a game changer

@argus3091 27 күн бұрын

I've been waiting for this I jumped out of my pants when I saw that TM made a mechanical base

@LtRabbit 27 күн бұрын

RALFI!!!!

@IOSALive 27 күн бұрын

ralfidude, wanna collab bro

@Peacekeeper-118 26 күн бұрын

still no force feedback, yay.....

@Chaos_Rifle 25 күн бұрын

Shame you didnt talk about sensors, as thats really the whole point of the thing.. For less versatility than a virpil gimbal, its really a shame its more expensive.

@JesterDarrak 27 күн бұрын

I think everyone who owned a TM product bent their pins at least once.

@NanaHoshi35 26 күн бұрын

but it’s already near the dawn of a new force feedback era so…

@MrAnarchymaker 27 күн бұрын

is there anyway to play games with ya

@jamesmcd71 24 күн бұрын

I just don't understand what the people at Thrustmaster are thinking. They have had a monopoly in the flight sim segment for over a decade. After years of being for better products Thrustmaster just ignored all of us. Over the last 5 years Winwing, VKB, and others have produced very high quality products at a much better price. Now Thrustmaster wants to keep there customers or do they? From the majority plastic $500 F16 throttle to this overpriced plastic toy. It's like Thrustmaster don't want to provide a quality product.

@mustezdcs6329 27 күн бұрын

Hahha brother ewwww got to ur video hahahah ,I'm gonna show him

@Thebadassowl 27 күн бұрын

Welp, the adapter and the fact that it can use the pre-existing holes from a tmwh plate (or in my case a desk mount) with this thing means my wallet is once again in danger…

@somerandomsimpilot8451 27 күн бұрын

RAFI UPLOAD🎉🎉🎉

@q.m.5454 24 күн бұрын

on the pins matter, its a ps/2 port its an old format of serial connection now days replaced by USB pins 2 and 6 are non connects and it seems they cheaped out on a full connector for the stick... which is cheap at best, shitty production at worst.

@Lucyferekkkk 27 күн бұрын

i love ralfi reviews

@RogueSpecterGamingOfficial 27 күн бұрын

Oh snap Ralfi got that TM sponsor? And finally upgrading oh dang lmao 🤣🤣

@jellowiggler 27 күн бұрын

How we just need need a left handed space grip. And pedal prices that don't suck.

@gertkriel6080 27 күн бұрын

Just mount the base plate at the desired angle.. and chuck that angle extender offset adapter thingy. That wobble is horrible!! More new gear, that is more expensive and sucks… No thanks!