Thank you for your scientific approach to this question. My wife insists that the Mediterranean release is better for mounted archery and that it's more accurate. I've seen videos where the accuracy issue is never resolved because of the competency of the operator but arrow speed from the same bow is immutable. Arrow speed in mounted archery is a huge factor for target lead and flat flight. I was brought up to shoot three finger but have recently trained myself to shoot Scythian and thumb release. The thumb release works best imo for speed as well as accuracy. Since it's my wife that I have to convince I suppose that I've already lost this battle regardless of the facts...

You are getting more speed because you are drawing it back an extra two inches. To everyone at home. Try putting your hand in a 3 under or mediteranian position (your hand will be parallel to your face) and see how far you can draw your arm back. Now try the same thing with you hand horizontal. It is a lot more ergonomic to have you hand in a horizontal position. Compound bow release aids have your hand positioned the same way.

I wondered what the differences between these styles was; no need to wonder-the diffe rences are huge! My draw length with my 60" recurve is 28" three under, 30" with my 66" hybrid longbow that has a high grip with split and 28" with a Bear Montana using split. Shooting styles and the bows grip determine draw length. Great video.

Of course your thumb ring is faster. 2" more draw length = about 4-6#..

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II have been trying to get used to the thumb draw. First I tried a brass ring with a small lip on the back. The end of my thumb hurt from the string tension smashing my thumb against the fore finger, no good at all. Then I purchased a thumb protector where you don’t need to bend your thumb over as far as it has a deep groove at the rear to hold the string and doesn’t require nearly as much pressure on the end of my thumb. I also draw farther with the thumb draw but so far cannot get the arrows to fly to where I am looking. Shooting on the opposite side of the riser on a bow with no shelf so shooting off the hand ( horse bow ) I shoot way to the side the arrow is nocked. I have tried several nock points and cannot get a view of the arrow alignment no matter where I anchor. I will keep working on it with a lower poundage bow but it doesn’t seem promising.

Can add up to 4 inches on some people depending on the style they use. Even with same draw length can get a little more speed since one thumb, especially a hard ring, drags the string less than 3 fingers. About 3-5 fps for most setups, about the same as the difference between a Dacron string and "Fast Flight".

If you look at Korean traditional archery they have a very long draw, past the head to the far collar bone, and a very short bow, so there is no way you could get 3 fingers into the string because of the angle, if I draw to just 32 inches the 3 fingers start to get get crushed, the only practical way to get back to 36 inches is with a thumb ring, For Korean archery the target is at 145 meters, so they need to be very accurate to hit it and a fast flat path. They also use a different type of thumb ring that is more like a release aid, and just keep the thumb straight, and let the string come off the aid to shoot. Longbows were shot with 36 inch arrows and a 3 finger release, and I can do it with my longbow, but it is does feel a lot less comfortable having a vertical hand vs a horizontal hand. The other issue is that because the arrow is on the inside with the longbow, you can not get the same push from the front hand that you can on a thumb release. The Korean bow has a pistol like pad on the front, which pushes the bow about 3-4 inches away from you, and gives you a straight wrist when shooting. The technique is not to hold with the top finger and to pull back with the bottom 3 fingers so that the top of the bow pings forward. There is also a technique where your front hand goes forward and out of the way of the arrow on release. All of this gives a different amounts of additional speed to the arrow. However the biggest difference between the korean bow and the longbow is in the speed of the bow. For the same poundage bow using same technique and arrows. My korean bow goes about 9 inches through a target that my longbow will just penetrate.

good job. I myself noticed the thumb draw vs fingers using similar or same anchor point the thumb pulls the string back 2 inches farther.

The thumb ring of invisibility @ 0:28..... did Frodo lose it?

you can increase more fps by adding more pressure in your pinky soon as you release which gives the bow a foward rotation movement (the bottom limb ends up touching your armpit)

How did you get arrows with feather fletchings? All the competition AND hunting arrows I have seen that are worth their salt have plastic vanes. On paper the arrows fly truer than true but I still like feather fletchings.

Yeah, my arrow speed is faster with thumb draw also, but my control and accuracy goes to pieces.

Good presentation. Now for the 64 thousand dollar question. How can we objectively measure the difference in accuracy? A special bow in a vice and some mechanical releases that stimulate the two methods? No. That won't work, too many complicating variables like distracting discomfort and strange anatomical poses.

Yeah. Well, I lost my "victory" thumb ring in the back yard some where; but did get one arrow into the target left handed with it. I'll bet you are right about accuracy versus a hand pull. My bow is 100#.

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Maybe because of a cleaner release from the thumb ring?

If the draw length made all the difference you could accelerate any arrow by 20fps just by drawing two inches longer. Now I don't have a chrony but to me it seems rather unlikely. It could also be that during thumb release the arrow flexes much less because it is on the outside of the bow, and so less energy is spent on deformation. That seems just as valid contribution as an increased draw. Three fingers probably snag on the string somewhat so it really starts to accelerate once it's off the fingers. Now this doesn't rob energy per se, but it additionaly shortens the draw for the length of the fingertip, an inch or so. So the actual draw difference could be three inches instead of two. It is probably all these effects combined, I don't suppose there is a single decisive factor.

I've tried thumb ring but didn't really care for it. I almost felt panicked before each shot because I didn't know where the arrow would go. How long did it take you to get confident with it?

I like the thumb rings because they give you a way cleaner release , there's no drag or friction to slow the arrow

Must have been the khatra, Greg hehehe

been playing a thumb ring for month know ....i finally got it down but with a twist...tye a large D loop that the ring can go In...almost removes all tourqe to string...you must make a ring that covera your how thumb pad ..i maid mine from a cow horn

Thank you cool experiment ! :))

Muchos Gracias bro- something good here

i am wondering, do you use a gap shooting method with thumb draw?

Wow!

Do you have trouble drawing heavier bows using just your thumb as opposed to three fingers?

really thanks for this video... it helped me...

Do you find with the thumb ring you can go lighter spine then with fingers. Or does it matter. Alan

Maybe this has been asked but when I see someone use a thumb ring they shoot off the opposite side ( right hand shooter arrow off the left side or left hand bow). Alan

800, wow... I shoot 400 spine on my 50lb with 125gr inserts and 150gr tips

thank you sir

I wonder, is there a different in speed between glove and tab?

One word ..."KATRA"

Watch the Mongolian archers who will draw the arrow further back than conventional American technique.

Shoot after Vodka helps fps much more faster and fantastic flying. I witnessed one of my friend who did that way. also he went to hospital like arrow speed with bow hand that had hit by arrow. wow. arrow was too fast to be broken and poked his hand. amazing...

If you use the same anchor point for thumb ring shooting, you increase your draw by the lenght of your fingers. The increased draw puts more tension on the bow, so it throws the arrows with more force. In addiotion the bow has more time to accelerate the arrow. So i dont really know what this video is about.

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