Which might have been an interesting angle if Bluth had explored why nobody pays attention to what Thumbelina wants, and how she overcomes that, but instead he went for this vague "nothing is impossible with twoo wuv" thing.

no disrespect man but have you seen fantasia 2000

uh no

I thought it was obvious why nobody cares about her thoughts, everyone in the movie objectifies her- even her family and friends. Look at her mom, she only wanted a daughter to dote on. Given a pre-made helpless person and she doesn't try to prepare her for the world, rather she just wants to keep her around so she can read her bedtime stories and tuck her in at night. When Thumbelina expresses discontentment her mom brushes it off and exits the situation. Thumbelina didn't even have a clue that winter existed and that it was only a passing season! So far as she was concerned, it was the apocalypse! It's obvious why she wallows in self pity, her perseverance and character was never nourished, people only liked her because she was "childlike" "beautiful" "had a great voice". The whole movie is her trying to gratify her self worth based on what other people think of her until she finally decides she's had enough of other people's opinion of her and runs away. I actually like Jacquimo, as obnoxious as he is.. he's constantly being portrayed as someone you can't rely on and in consequence, his message is put to question. The scene when they find each other in the Mole's cave is so potent and couldn't exist without him. How many movies like this are there where the main character is in such pain that she doesn't want to hear the cotton-candy message of hope and is inconsolable? I wish that they had emphasized more of what made Cornelius different from the others besides his looks- but in his song, "let me be your wings"- functions as an explanation it's just not strong enough on its own. Let me be *your* wings. Let me take *you* where *you* want to go. Cornelius is literally the only person in the whole movie who even considers that Thumbelina might want something.

Peter Griffin: Oh my god! Who the hell cares!

I actually really like that and it would show that you don’t have to settle for someone who makes you uncomfortable.

@@annieandelsieofarendelle3294 Precisely! Love isn't true love if one of the "lovers" feels forced into it. Imho wholesome love stories between consenting people are always better than that toxic stuff anyway.

@@headfullofdreams6083 Yeah. The story kind of reminds me of Fairytales by Hans Christen Andersen (It's a TV series), when they did Thumbelina meeting the prince she basically begged him not to call her beautiful because every time someone did that she was also being forced to marry them to which the prince said he wasn't and just wanted to know if she was okay.

Oh man, If only.

☝🏻THIS- this is everything

That's about it. Clearly she did not think this one through. (But of course, Thumbelina is so painfully naive she doesn't notice.)

More like "I can provide fame. Can your spouse say that?" Trust me, there's no real rationale behind most of the plot. Aside from "make a disney movie" no clear story goals were set.

Alex N Well, I mean. He IS the prince of the fairies...

Also, who the heck BOILS enchiladas? I know she's supposed to sound Spanish, but if that's how you make enchiladas, you fail.

DGilVids I heard spoiling not boiling.

She's probably pestering Thumbelina for tiny grandbabies on a regular basis.

@@MusicalHelljust for the record, Gilbert Godfried actually does play a digital bird named Digit in the PBS cartoon Cyberchase, and there he was probably the least annoying performance. Iago from Aladdin wasn’t bad, but could be a bit annoying or overbearing sometimes

Doubtful, they're both just cliche-ridden cinematic trash.

But it's a fun thought either way.

THUMBELINA IS NOT TRASH. IT'S A FILM ABOUT DON BLUTH'S DEPRESSION AND THE DARK SIDE OF SHOWBUSINESS.

THUMBELINA. IN. SPAACE!

If so, it was by total accident. Thumbelina bombed at the box office making only $11.3 million on a $28 million budget and many who went to see it promptly left after seeing the Animaniacs short I'm Mad (the public internet was still in its infancy back then). Since this didn't do very well with the critics both at the time and today, I don't think the Wackowski siblings were thinking about Thumbelina when they wrote Jupiter Ascending.

Aww. I'm sorry that happened to you. But I'm glad this movie taught you that valuable lesson. I hope that nobody in your life was actually blaming you for getting harassed by creepy men. Right? Cause I'm the same, though black. I was mercilessly bullied for being ugly and yet s**ually harassed by a lot of the same guys at school. And ever since I was 11 I've been an old man magnet. Almost every elderly black man who comes my way wants to get in bed with me and even some elderly white men surprisingly. My mom would give me a rough time for showing off too much cleavage because I was a young teenager but she never blamed me for being creeped on. She was often having to shield me from the hungry stares of grown me at age 11.

I'm blond, too, and I rarely ever get harassed. Ig I'm too ugly, lol

Same here, I love Thumbalina cuz I’m Asian and had grown men call me exotic, but also I relate to her as Chinese adopted both raised in a world not like my own and then going out into a cruel world finding my people and where I belong

Oh God, she probably was 🤣

Just like how Sun Wukong's recklessness is because he's almost a literal blockhead, being born from a rock does that.

@@TheVTable I mean in the story she didn’t even know Winter even existed until she had to deal with it.

😂😂

Or they could focus it on inner beauty. "Mr Beetle can't see inner beauty, because he never wanted to look. You should only care about those people that look for inner beauty, because they see how beautiful you truly are." And then they can bring in the prince again, saying "Like him. He sees your soul, and that's what makes you so beautiful."

@@strawberrysoulforever8336 Also, imagine if Jacquimo was a gruffer, more cynical father figure and then he told Thumbelina that she’s beautiful because of who she is and reminded her that her mother still loves her and so does Princess Cornelia.

Better yet, they could have gone with 'Well, do you think you're ugly?' That one question would have gotten across an infinitely better message.

I know I laughed at that remark

I think that is what they were trying to say. They just worded it badly. And I mean, that part resonates with me more now that I am in a lifelong relationship with my own true love. He reminds me of that very sentiment every time I start to feel ugly again.

As long as he's not voiced by Jerry Seinfeld.

Ed Bassmaster: Bee?

Kolby Hollis Can't unhear it now...

B R I N G M E E G G S

@@DGilVids *O N L Y E G G S C A N S U S T A I N M E*

I hear it as well but I would be surprised if Julie Kaver was in it

M U S T L A Y E G G S F O R B A R T

You got a point. The way you put it is that everyone else in Don Bluth and Gary Goldman's unit hated Don Bluth's original direction of Thumbelina which made her a much more proactive and independent character in the same vein of other Disney Renaissance heroines of the period such as Ariel from The Little Mermaid (1989), Belle from Beauty and the Beast (1991) and Jasmine from Aladdin (1992) and instead preferred to portray her as ludicrously weak, whiny and immature damsel-in-distress whose only purpose is to live happily ever after with her love interest Prince Cornelius and nothing else (in short, pretty much a corporate's short-sighted, oversimplified, misinterpreted and misrepresented point-of-view of what they think Disney Princesses like Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora and Ariel were like to them back in the day) just like in the final film, and Bluth had to change the script because of them, hence how we got this mess of a film. If anything, the film turned out this way because it isn't Bluth's own fault but it's his crew that ruined what could've been a more promising and better animated adaptation of Hans Christian Andersen's Thumbelina.

@@kingandrewcecil348 Once disney became popular Don Bluth lost all creative control, except for Bartok.

@@orangeslash1667 Don't forget "Anastasia"; I heard that for production of said film Don Bluth was given a good amount of time to perfect and refine its craft by Fox (unlike say "Thumbelina", "A Troll in Central Park" and "The Pebble and The Penguin" which had rather rushed production timelines thanks to Warner Bros. and MGM), hence explaining why it was so well-received by critics and audiences alike.

@@kingandrewcecil348 Yes but Anastasia isn't perfect because that film was Fox's idea. Bartok the Magnificent was entirely Bulth's idea.

That could've gone better but nope.

😂😂😂😂😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣

I thought she drank Red Bull.

That was the funny thing she uttered out in this review. Still golden. 😆😆😆😆😆😆

I think Cornelius used magic to give Thumbelina wings, and that's why it happened.

Freya Mary ik

Freya Mary That's how I feel about all of Bluth's nineties films except, ironically, this one. That's because this is the only Bluth film I didn't watch as a kid.

I just don't see it. Even as a kid, I thought the characters and dialogue were cringey. I didn't know those words at the time, I just knew I flushed whenever my mom put it on the tv, as I endured an unending gauntlet of what I now know is "fremdschamen".

Nostalgia can be blinding... but I’m so happy that you found something that made you happy. (Especially when there was much work put into it by the animators and authors.)

This is the first and last time I'm saying this but this movie made me think narcolepsy was cool.

So it seems to me that for the kids who saw the focus test with the Disney logo at the beginning, they saw the logo and, already having positive feelings of association with Disney movies, were primed to like the movie in advance regardless of its merits and flaws compared to those that had no such primer? At least, that's the takeaway I'd get from those results.

Wow. Nowadays I would have a negative reception at seeing the Disney logo

@@questworldiangreenknight7455 Literally me since I was 14.

Big irony that Disney would own the movie later on since they got Fox, which in turn took the movie away from Warner Bros.

@@christiandacanay3086 That was via Media Assets, who owned and backed Don Bluth Entertainment from bankruptcy in November 1992, being bought out by STAR Limited and News Corp. and I wish Disney’s acquisition of 21st Century Fox never happened, they killed Fox and Blue Sky.

"Hmm, this part's a bit chewy..."

The idea of proactive heroines are much older than the modern concept as it dates back centuries in ancient folklore.

Hello, Nostalgia Chick fan! That was her joke first. Or are you Lindsay?

Get to da birb!

CONFLICT: It's impossible! SOLUTION: Follow your heart! CONFLICT SOLVED

You know I never understood why they just didn’t have Giacomo fly her home it’s idiotic!!

@@Vixen743 Because plot.

true

@@kieranstark7213 that or the mighty kong

MrGabeanator I think both of them.

@@kieranstark7213 see

She at least tries to make the most of what she got here.

7: Cornelius and Thumbelina have a more fleshed out romantic relationship because of the established friendship (I know, I'm late).

At least you tried.

I want this It’s pretty telling when “professionals” can’t come up with a good idea for a film plot but the average viewer can (no offence, just couldn’t find the right words)

8. Thumbellina still at some point meets up with Mrs. Toad and the beetle, before meeting Ms. feild mouse and we see a much more detailed and fleshed out storyline of her deciding if she should marry for fame. Be it with the toad family or at the beetle bar. Once she does meet Ms feild mouse and Mr mole, she then debates if it's a good idea to marry for money before she ends up with Cornelius etc etc

sklort mcfungus There’s actually a version of Thumbelina that kind of does more with the story and even adds some twists. It’s called Adventures of Tom Thumb and Thumbelina. There are things I would improve but it actually moves the plot better than the Don Bleuth version.

True. Keep in mind that Judy Garland's incarnation of Dorothy Gale from MGM's The Wizard of Oz is only like 12-14 years old (despite that Judy Garland was 16 at the time of filming), hence explaining her childlike nature. And besides, despite her flaws this Dorothy is a much stronger and more active character (like when she defends her pet dog Toto from being taken away, stands up against the Cowardly Lion for picking on weaker animals when she first encounters him, and she even defeated the two Wicked Witches of Oz by herself albeit accidentally), has a personality, and she is nowhere near as frustratingly stupid and naive as Thumbelina.

@@kingandrewcecil348 If Thumbelina was done by Walt Disney Animation Studios: 1. Thumbelina would be likable. 2. The animals would look like animals. 3. The bird would be likable. 4. The love interest woud be named Tom Thumb instead of Cornelius. 5. It would appeal to both kids and adults. 6. Thumbelina might be a teenager, but she is mature, and could get really feisty. 7. In this scene at 10:19, where she says she is hungry, instead of having her whine, her stomach would growl. 8. Thumbelina's mom would go out and search for Thumbelina. 9. The songs would have been done by Alan Menken and Tim Rice. 10. Memorable characters that aren't annoying.

@@nicholasdruce5346 Yeah, and not to mention instead of being directed by Don Bluth and Gary Goldman, it would've instead be directed by Ron Clements and John Musker, the directors of The Little Mermaid (1989) and Aladdin (1992); after all, those two directors did a fine job directing The Little Mermaid (which by co-incidence is an adaptation of the Hans Christian Andersen story) and fixing the problems found in the original source material, such as changing the original tragic ending into a happier one and giving Ariel a more proactive and fleshed-out role in the story than in the book. If anything, Disney's The Little Mermaid taught us that following Hans Christian Andersen's stories very faithfully is a huge mistake since they aren't well-written for feature films and the only way to translate them into good and enjoyable animated feature films is to fix nearly all the problems found in the source materials.

@@kingandrewcecil348 And either Glen Keane or Mark Henn would design Thumbelina.

@@kingandrewcecil348 Where would John Musker and Ron Clements make cameos at?

The awkward moment when Aladdin 2 has TWO Gilbert Gottfried songs. Probably to make the one with Dan Castellenetta sound bearable by comparison.

Don't even have a soundalike because they end up sounding worse than the original. Also, Beetle's singing voice sounds like Meowth from Pokemon with a sore throat.

11:45: Yes, Mr. Gottfried has been in one good thing aside from 'Aladdin' as Iago. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fbGgZrlitc-pfJ8.html You're welcome!

@@QJ89 Also his role in Cyberchase.

But it does have some really good songs though, I think typical Disney fans should like this movie since technically don bluth was a Disney animator. And it has two Disney voices Ariel & Iago.

100% agree, that reprise is The only moment when You feel any emotion in The whole film

Amen.

I too think Marry the Mole isn’t that bad of a song. It’s the sound of Carol Channing’s singing that makes it seem awful at first glance but if you ever hear her sing Hello Dolly and Diamonds Are a Girl’s Best Friend and compare them to their respective film adaptations’ actresses’ singing, you’ll see that the film versions sound much better.

Marry the mole is a classic!

My sister loves The Mouse in this film

She’s actually in the end of the movie at Thumbelina’s wedding . Though the same can’t be said about original story where they literally forgot about her mother after she was kidnapped.

@@brandonlyon730 What the heck? That's depressing

@@retrofan4963 That goes with a lot of Chris Andersen stories including the little mermaid.

@@brandonlyon730 Makes me realize how film adaptations like Disney really censor a lot of really dark and depressing content. Yet classic Disney films still have quite dark material going on, but it's nothing compared to the books they're based on.

@@brandonlyon730 at least she wasn't forgottem here

janeyrevanescence12 Oh my god. That was funny!

“Holy fuck is this WRONG”

BUT! When he hits my CLI-TAAAAAAAWWWWRUS!

@@miticaBEP07 but holy hell is it ee-raw-tic!

Also, Problem Child.

Nightman221k Well said. You've made very good points.

OMG I KNEW IT WAS JODI!! I have her voice memorized and always thought I heard Ariel but shrugged it off so thank you so much for confirming my suspicions

Agree, she really had a good character. Shes been seeing these stories about people like her but doesnt even see them and her mom doesnt know if they truly exist or not so she can't say anything. So of course that makes Thumbelina ask questions as she does well will i find love then? Am i gonna just be alone? Then she does find someone and he dies to her knowledge, even if she knows now fairies exist gow is she gonna locate them and no one is listening to her and she gets the brute end of the world and shes done and decides she wont be manipulated anymore. Its good. I like the idea of her not getting wings but she does have her own fairie powers since her voice "brought" spring. Tho i agree its nice she earned her wings. I always assumed she took the form of her mom. A human kissed the flower so she was born "human". So when Cornelius kissed her she unlocked her wings from a fairies magic kiss.

Well said well said! Thank you for standing up for this movie! l loved it as a kid, and still do, l'm very happy someone sees it in a good light!

I think her getting wings is more symbolic than anything else...after all, Cornelius sang "Let Me Be Your Wings" to show her that he would take care of her and do his best to make her dreams come true, but once she finally stood up for what she truly wanted, she earned her own wings as a symbol of taking control of her own life. She discovered that she could make her own dreams come true. And her dream was him. Now they are equal partners.

Don't forget Thumbelina herself.

@@jonnyboy4289 She's not as irritating.

@@strawberrysoulforever8336 Jacquimo, the bird who helps Thumbelina, is an extremely annoying and unlikable comic relief sidekick, and comes of as pointless for the most part. Thumbelina (1994) page on the Awful Movies wiki.

@@nicholasdruce5346 That works. Believe it or not, he was in the original story. Except in that one, he was just the "dead" swallow who Thumbelina nursed back to health. Then he took her somewhere, and that's where the fairy prince came in, asked to marry her, and then the fairies told her her name was too ugly for someone so pretty and they were going to call her May.

I think the movie could have been better off without Jacquimo, but it's fine to have him just to be use for the narrator of the story, you know like The Peddler from Aladdin, when he only appears in the begnning of the movie just to tell the story, and they forget about him for the whole movie. Well they could have done that with Jacquimo.

+GregoryHouse it would be appropriate consequences for Giacomo being as obnoxious & useless as he is.

Well, Mama Toad is voiced by Charro, and looks like her too. So that makes sense.

Isn't his name Jacquimo?

The #6 Runaway Guys Fan The IMDB listing spells it as “Jacquimo.” But, the swallow’s voice actor is Italian where it would be pronounced “Giacomo.” I’m guessing that someone on Bluth’s team couldn’t spell.

@@andrewollmann304 Wait...they had an Italian voice actor who was supposed to sound French? Okay, this feels vaguely ignorant of differences in European countries.

(If Ant-Man was around when this movie was released) Thumbelina: Are there any stories about... about little people? 🥺 Mother: ... *turns on Ant-Man*

Snow White & The 7 Dwarves, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, Gulliver's Travels, The Wizard of Oz and Gary Coleman's autobiography.

LunaMoon Video productions inc same, it was my childhood

You're not the only one so no worries. This is my guilty pleasure too.

Am I the only person who actually shipped the bird with Thumbelina?

You don't have to ask to say if a film is a guilty pleasure for you. Any film can be a guilty pleasure. Like for example: I love the Twilight films. I know they're shit, but I didn't care. And cuz vampires are my favorite supernatural creature.

PUT64 DVD and Blu-Rays Menus and OPs and Anime Talk sameee I had such a crush on Thumbelina as a child

Kraang Subprime was pretty fun in the 2012 TMNT show.

Ooh, coming back to this one three years later hurts.

@@booberfraggle RIP Gilbert, we miss you.

I did grow up watching this movie.

LOL I was about to leave my own comment that the only character I remotely like in this movie is the bumblebee. It's adorable. And not designed at all like the other characters, which are so ridiculously whimsical that any attempts at sad moments are thrown by their appearance alone.

I watched an interview about that too, at first I was like, How how could Don Bluth, a legendary animation filmmaker mess up on a script of a magical movie that had potential, until I heard him explain.

Female disempowerment in a nutshell (what misogyny)!

My thoughts on both Ariel and Thumbelina exactly!

@@kieranstark7213 Ariel is more feminist than Thumbelina. Sure, Ariel giving up her voice and tail in order to be with a guy she barely knows (Prince Eric) does rub feminists the wrong way, but at least Ariel was proactive and optimistic, unlike Thumbelina. Even if the way Ariel went about it wasn’t ethical or smart (liking going to a sea witch she knew was obviously evil and untrustworthy, and then giving up her voice in exchange for legs and a vagina), Ariel never gave up on her goal to be human. She persisted. Also, unlike Thumbelina, Ariel wasn’t a damsel in distress nor was she waiting for her prince to come. Ariel saved Prince Eric’s life twice (the first time from drowning, and the second time from almost being annihilated by Ursula’s trident) AND she pursued Prince Eric, rather than simply sit down and wait for him.

@@beethovensfidelio ) this.

How ironic.

*Digit

Got it. Thanks.

I KNEW that voice sounded like Digit.

WAIT, HE WORKED FOR HACKER?! I thought he faked the picture of Digit as an infant in the birthday episode

Even so, by the time of The Pebble and the Penguin, he's pretty much like "YOU SHOW THEM MY MUSIC! NOTES AND EVERYTHING! THEN THEY'LL SEE I REALLY WROTE THIS SHIT!!!"

Well, yes, but those names and others were meant to distinguish between people with similar first names (ie. John the cooper vs. John the blacksmith vs. John the short guy). Calling a beetle "Mr. Beetle" doesn't really do a lot to tell him apart from all the other beetles out there.

Musical Hell Fair enough. Just thought I would point it out. It would be funny if there was a story in which all the people with those jobs had the respective last names, though.

That reminds me of the Invention of *Last* Names video from Cracked's KZfaq channel, it's hilarious. Whoops forgot the last.

Which is what one of my teachers in my high school is called. Her name is Richelle Shoemake.

@@QueenCloveroftheice Sounds like the Smurfs

Not only the one thing that made sense, it's the only redeeming factor.

And Mr. Mxyz-guy.

He's also Kraang Sub-Prime in the 2012 TMNT, and I think he works there. Might not be a role "made" for him or around him like some of Iago's ad-libbing, but he works.

Iago: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?

papershadow69 was about to comment that! he’s got that sarcastically comedic vibe for the character (while also being a bad guy), which is what i assume they were going for. i thought he did well as subprime and was a nice refresh from the other kraang (for context the kraang in 2012 speak in broken english and subprime is the only one that doesn’t). he could be a little annoying here and there but not painstakingly obnoxious.

Yeah, Gottfried's voice actually works for Digit, and as characters in educational kids shows go, Digit's not that annoying.

Bluth's the best. This movie is perfect when is mute and you don't pay much attention to the plot. That may have come out kind of sad, but at least I do mean PERFECT.

Proper punctuation maybe?

Even in his 'I suck' phase, he could still produce good animation.

Most of it looks fine but the CGI of the village and the toads party boat has not aged well.

Joseph Rowe Absolutely correct!

And Ariel was actually you know a semi-enjoyable character.

Yes, but she's constantly told Ursula is evil, and swallows every word Ursula says and doesn't think that Ursula has an ulterior motive.

Brandy Loutherback I think she was just in denial and was overwhelmed with what she believed is “true love”. I think I’d Disney explored the “sheltered princess explores the new world” route instead of just frolicking after the prince she’d be a much more enjoyable character.

This is true...

Yes, but she at least saved the Prince. Twice. Even though some of her decisions (like going to the freaking Sea Witch aunt) WERE foolish, at least she DID something rather than collapsing in a heap and whining that it was impossible to get out of her problem.

i liked the movie. but yeah i cracked up lot and i knew she reminded me of nicki minaj i remember watching and saying oh wow if nicki minaj was a cartoon and a toad.

My brother says she's dressed in a gay Ku Klux Klan outfit and I'm like "What??"

I agree, But to be fair Gerda(The "Anna" from The snow queen) is sort of proactive But she gets too much help from every si. Le sidekick, and (I forgot The name) but The princess from "The wild swans(??)" Is pretty darn cool, But odly enough he loves giving his female characters grimm endings, The little match girl dies, so does The little mermaid, The girl from the wild swans becomes mute and is almost burned at the stake and The girl from "The red shoes" gets her feet chopped of and dies.

At least it all turns out well for Elise in The Wild Swans.

I kinda adore Gerda from The Snow Queen, and I believe the russian animated movie from 1957 shows that there's promise in making a (more faithful) adaptation of that story. Even though she gets help by a bunch of side-kicks (most of them women, heck yeah!) it's eventually her strength and strong will that leads her to save Kaj. As peeps have mentioned, The Wild Swans could work, too, especially since it does have a happy ending compaired to the original Little Mermaid etc. xD

I think Thumbelina can work as a film with a few tweeks.

@@jenniferschillig3768 Elise died of exhaustion less than a minute after she was able to speak again. However, you could cut that part out of the story and it wouldn't suffer one bit, so probably most versions do have her survive. The moral about hard work and sacrifice paying off actually is more effective if she lives. However, I really want to see someone take on The Red Shoes and give Karen a happy ending where she still learns her lesson about vanity without dying for it...and maybe she wouldn't have to lose her feet.

plus Eric Idle is actually funny unlike Gilbert Gottfried

I mean I see the logic, but that man doesn't need more work in "Bad Kid's Movie Hell." I'd say he suffered enough.

Oh, absolutely, nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more

What about Tim Curry? He could also pull off the sleazy entertainer bit while giving an air of fake politeness and he can sing villain songs really well. I’m picturing Nexxus only with a more soothing tone to the voice. They already got Jodi Benson, Charro, Carol Channing, Barbara Cook, June Foray, and John Hurt in this mess so a few hundred more dollars for Tim Curry wouldn’t have hurt.

Thumbelina is one of the worst non-Disney female characters ever, and I totally agree with you about her. She's nothing but a useless and whiny little baby trapped in a woman's body.

It’s because they aren’t used to the way it sounds. Her renditions of Diamonds Are a Girl’s Best Friend and Hello Dolly sound horrible if you listen to them literally right after hearing the film adaptations but it’s not the music or even the lyrics that sound off. Marry the Mole is probably one of the better songs in the movie when you think about it as Let Me Be Your Wings is a bit boring and trying too hard to be a Whole New World rip-off, On the Road is too weird, and every other song aside from Soon is irritating to listen to.

That's mostly why I hated Frozen. It was so far removed from its source material it's insulting and really saccrine. Also if I hear that damn song one more time I'm going to punch something.

Well, I guess that's why Andersen kept murdering his protagonists. Oh well, little Gerda lived.

I heard the 'outsider' thing was a mix of his depression and the fact that he was gay during (more) homophobic times

@@morley364 He was bi

@@limalepakko6074 I think it's unknown which, but yes, he could have also been bisexual, I didn't mean to exclude that possibility. Either way, it definitely contributes to the 'outsider' view...and possibly the depression, if people didn't accept him.

I will defend The Swan Princess to my death.

+Rachel Isakowitz (ofrah1) You said It best

+vidoquen111 yeah I like some songs from that one, I don't really like the movie as a whole But It's not nearly as bad as other disney knockoffs

Anastasia is a wonderful film, equally as good as the Disney Renaissance films (all are good. Pocahontas only shows that a film doesn't have to historically accurate to be captivating and good, much like Braveheart during during the same year, and Hercules's only real flaws are an uneven climax and a resolution that brings up a lot of questions. The rest of the films, from Little Mermaid to Tarzan are all masterpieces). Don Bluth got his mojo back in spades, as 20th Century Fox did not restrict him and encouraged his dark intuition, and it paid off wonderfully. Titan AE had great promise, but Bluth wasn;t suited for t because he simply is not into sci-fi, and the studio rushed it to stave off bankruptcy. Here's hoping that the Dragon's Lair film will be great!

I like Anastasia but that might just be because it's from my childhood

Was It even a musical? I honestly can't remeber

Yes, it was. It does have musical numbers, therefore it can be put on trial for Musical Hell. I hate to admit it, but I used to watch Thumbelina and Troll in Central Park quite a lot when I was younger.

Sorry, I usually try to erase The memories from that movie,I can't wait for Diva to destroy It then

Pebble and the Penguin better be as well. It’s too weird and nothing really makes any sense.

The Pebble and the Penguin was mediocre at best, IMO. Thumbelina was bad, but A Troll in Central Park was total garbage.

I would watch The Swan Princess over Thumbelina.

I liked him as The Horned King from Black Cauldron than as the mole.

@@josephrowe849 Lord Cotys from Hercules (2014).

And beloved Carol Channing.

And Gilbert Gottfried as of two weeks ago.

Holy fuck I'm not the only one who was totally enamored by her skirt! To this day I still love watching it move and swish around.

The fact that she doesn't do much in her own movie is part of her arc. There'd be no point to her growth at the end of the movie if she had started out empowered.

Gizensha Fox because the original story had these antagonists and yes there was also a love interest in the original story too. So it's not like they added these characters for the sake of them. They're from Hans Christian Anderson's story.

theres a thumbelina movie a lot more like that, I cant remember who it was that made it but it had a very anime-esque style to it so it might be japanese animted. Still not the best, and a bit not as entertain to laugh at as this one in my opinion, but its still good and I suggest watching it. (even though this comment is 2 years late)

While it is very different from the original Hans Christian Anderson tale, I actually think that that plotline would've worked very well for a movie adaptation. It would've given Thumbalina a clear and definied character arc while providing an interesting commentary on the nature of the struggle with adversities that lie outside of Man's control

Awwww! I almost miss the tin-y speaker voice! 'Tumbalina! What a beeeeeeoooootyful child!' Moles from New York, got it!

oh god, I've SEEN that

At least that version was enjoyably bad, and didn't have obnoxious chararcters and stupid songs.

@@jeremyusreevu237 It did have stupid songs

There was another animated Thumbelina film from Russia that came out in 1964 (30 years before Don Bluth's.) It's a little better since it's closer to the story.

Funny enough that Don Bluth once was an animator for Sleeping Beauty (1959) in the 1950s back when was at the Disney studio!

It looked more like Civil War-era Liberace.

OH MY GOSH THAT'S FUNNY 🤣

Thumbelina, I've come for your.... .....moNEEEEEEEY.

It's the worst part Berkely Beetle is memorable

Mrs. Fieldmouse’s song isn’t nearly as bad as everyone claims. It’s actually sung pretty well. The thing is most people under a certain age aren’t used to hearing Carol Channing singing or even had heard her sing her two signature songs Hello Dolly and Diamonds Are a Girl’s Best Friend before. Ms Channing had a very unique singing voice.

Good point--"Snow Queen" does have more potential for a compelling movie than most of Andersen's work. And I agree, as good as "Frozen" is a straight retelling of the tale could have been awesome.

Well... heck! If they're making a sequel, maybe there's still hope for something along those lines. I've read some surprisingly good fan fiction mixing the source material into Frozen's canon, with the magic mirror and the Robber Girl and such. Maybe she could be Elsa's romantic interest, make it a first for a Disney film. Maybe Anna's kids could be Gerda and Kai, or maybe it could be a prequel with the butler and the maid. And then there are all the animal sidekicks... the Field Crow, the Tame Crow, Bae the Reindeer... sky's the limit with source material like that. Which reminds me... apparently the original character of the Snow Queen was based on an opera singer. And now she's Idina Menzel. Sort of came full circle, in a way.

@@MusicalHell Disney is making a live action Snow Queen film.

He is become Edward Cullen, destroyer of worlds!

He was better as the Horned King. I mean the Black Cauldron was a pretty flawed movie but the main villain was the best part for many people and Hurt's performance was praised.

*likes both of your comments*

At least he was the narrator of the Tigger movie.

He also voiced The Owl in The Gruffalo Short.

Chris Alderson Worst song in the whole thing

And it was almost completely a ripoff of other better songs including one from wizard of oz, and another one - something from Disney I can't call to mind. This movie has some beautifully animated moments, but I find most of its character designs hard on the eyes at best, and the songs and writing are mediocre to just plain shitty.

While I don't have a problem with the other songs, this one was the worst offender.

It's bad, but I've heard worse.

And worst of all... Cornelius has the most 90's haircut of all time.

Oh, the irony!

What's your thoughts of An American Tail?

@@retrofan4963 An American Tale is in the middle for me....not quite as good as Secret of Nimh or the Land Before Time or All Dogs Go to Heaven, but DEFINITELY not as bad as A Troll in Central Park, or the Pebble and the Penguin or this movie. It was baffling to me how Fievel and his family were separated and they kept JUST missing each other. lol The animation was good and the songs were catchy. I definitely liked the original better than the sequel, but then I HATED The Secret of Nimh 2 and indeed, found it INSULTING in the extreme. Especially the fact that Mrs. Frisby was JUST as much of a hero as her husband (he saved the rats and mice from Nimh, but she drugged the cat...she warned the rats that Nimh was coming and rescued them from certain peril AND she saved her children when her home sank in the mud. Where's HER statue to honor her courage and heroic deeds? And what did Timmy do that made him more worthy than her? lol I like Somewhere Out There. It definitely had that charm and sentimental sweetness that Don Bluth infused in his good animated movies.

@@CeltycSparrow I honestly find An American Tail just as amazing as Secret of Nimh and Land Before Time. And I honestly prefer An American Tail over All Dogs Go to Heaven. But I respect your opinion.

Better writing would improve the story quite a bit. I don’t think there’s anything incredibly wrong with most of the songs and I’m sure with a few tweaks the more irritating ones could become tolerable. Marry the Mole I don’t think is as awful as people claim as it is a good song and it isn’t sung off key or out of tempo. The problem I think everyone has with it is that they aren’t used to hearing Carol Channing sing. Carol always sounds terrible if you compare her renditions of Hello Dolly and Diamonds Are A Girl’s Best Friend to their movie counterparts.

After seeing FilmMasterAdam call it the second worst film of last year, and seeing bits of Archer's review, I can't wait to hear Diva utterly destroy it. I mean, Jesus; Kristen Chenoweth as Maleficent? That's the equivalent of casting Vince Vaughn as Norman Bates! (this actually happend!)

Wait, Vince Vaughn... as Norman Bates? when did that happen?!

I swear I lost It as soon as they started "singing" be our guest

As much as I love Kristen Chenoweth, she was miscast as Maleficent--her high, bubbly soprano voice is not the kind of singing voice Maleficent should have. Why didn't they cast Idina Menzel as Maleficient? She would have been a much more appropriate Maleficent. I hope this miscasting is addressed as one of the sins.

{KAAAAAH!} You're directly talking about TVTropes??