Meaning the most popular, best selling miniature game ever.

@@garylane6227 Meaning it's shallow because it appeals to the widest audience possible. Also Monopoly can kiss my ass.. A stolen idea that celebrates capitalism instead of highlighting the how broken the shitshow of the rental market is like it was meant to. -I guess there is the irony in how much GW has stolen from existing properties too.

GW hasn't made a good version of their games for more than 20 years... They suck

Ha Ha I call GW the Walmart of tabletop gaming.

Why the hell does youtube delete my innocuous comment and then give me reply updates. Hate this platform these days!

Checkers. (Drafts for us Brits). Terrible figures, restricted battlefield, bizarre movement rules and uninspired colour schemes. Humanity can do better.

Hopefully, I can earn my GM status in Warhammer someday!

@@TabletopTurtle well, the fact the Golden Demon, Warhammer's biggest, longest-running competition, is for painting rather than playing probably says something. One day they might rival the real masters in selling overpriced plastic: the Lego company. $460 for Barad-Dur and they didn't even bother to write ANY rules. Just adding up the cost of a small Star Wars Lego rebel force makes my calculator cry.

You described Tabletop Turtle reviews perfectly 🤣Kudos.

@@garylane6227 Yeah, chess will never last. It needs a battle Royale mode...

Nice! Loved second edition, my man! Malifaux has so many unique and creative mechanics behind it that even if a person doesn't like it, they have to acknowledge that!

@biostem - you guys killed it with second edition! We talk about it all the time on our 'Rule of Carnage' miniatures game design podcast, because as a game designer I'm still learning things from your game a decade later. Thank you!

That's fair and I get that. I just wished the silliness was somehow more intertwined with the mechanics beyond just a roll and a chart.

Nostalgia, esthetics, and miniatures.

Battletech tables are rather easy and modular rules mean you can ignore most of them. After playing bunch of hex and counter wargames, BT tables are pretty elegant. And yes, I still wish there was a ruleset between alpha strike and the game whose abbreviation is aptly CBT.

Yeah, I noticed that too. They both deserve a D for gameplay IMO

That's because Battle Tech is an A and Blood bowl is a D.

Ha - yes I love Heroscape, it's provided hours of fun for me and friends and easy to get new players up and running. Prepainted minis (in the original sets) means they are table ready immediately. I'll never sell my sets!

haha man I swear I'm not being an asshole, I genuinely wanted to like that game but every single time I kept asking myself "is this it!?" after every play. Then I had to deconstruct the damn board!

@@TabletopTurtle haha!! So true. Even though I'm an avid heroscape fan. Lol

@@TabletopTurtleI’m not sure where you live, but come out to an event. Best part of then game is army building. Also, why take down the map? Do you take down your 4x6 each time?

@@TabletopTurtle Let me guess. You solo played?

It really is intuitive surprisingly which is so helpful in remembering the rules if you go awhile without playing

I have been interested to try Infinity. Sadly I live in the boonies and what passes for my local gaming scene is heavily invested, like took-out-a-second-mortgage-I-have-a-problem-someone-help-me heavily invested in 40k.

@@Maladjester that’s rough. I get it.

Infinity is so great people get in to it, play for six months, then completely lose interest.

@@garylane6227 you could say the same for any game for any number of reasons.

How does Warcry commpare to Kill team? I am on the fence wich one to buy.

I prefer KT 2018, the rules were not good but the personalisation was great, in the new KT personalisation it's very limited, that for a skirmish game it's a killer, also the balance like all GW games is a problem, some faction are trash and other are OP

Old kill team was much more fun, even with its problems. The new killteam lost so many cool things about warband creation and also some rules are very weird. The balancing is in both versions a nightmare.

@@amsfountain8792 Warcry is a terrible game, dont know how it got such a good ranking in this guys tier list. Kill team is way better, but there are much better skirmish games than both of them, they are low tier games with high prices and bad rules.

@@amsfountain8792 warcry is fun, the only issue I had with it was the token managment. I personally just did not care for killteam at all when I tried playing 5 games of it earlier this year however, its a better game than 40k tenth edition, but it still has some questionable game design.

What fantasy element is Kings of War doing differently from every other IP?

​@TabletopTurtle Nightstalkers for one. What about the update to the twilight kin? Have you read any of the novels? Plus the rules are the best smooth fast we'll written and balanced,

He did start off that section by saying he doesn't like rank and flank to be fair. It's an honest opinion. Also, panethor is as generic fantasy as you can get. Even though it has a few unique factions the other 23 are as generic as possible.

They for sure have that role playing foundational feel to them. I think my issue always comes from the games always feeling a little dated when I visit them, since I didn't start with GW games. And GW games always felt like is pushing product on me rather than an experience. Happy to hear Middle Earth isn't abandoned. It just seemed like it and that's what my friends at the shop were saying.

@@TabletopTurtle I legitimately do not understand the mindset behind the 'dated' thing. You're not the first person I've heard it from, so it's not the first time I've thought on it before. Time has no baring on the quality of a game, otherwise everyone would be going on about how amazing modern World of Warcraft or Call of Duty are, so it always seems to me that it's just about certain characteristics that are in vogue either now or when a person got into wargaming. To me, we're discussing very different kinds of games, although they are all under an unfortunately broad umbrella known as 'wargames'. Ironically, I feel the opposite way about older GW games or editions of games as what you said of Mordheim; I feel like they don't overstay their welcome. Fundamentally they're simple and straightforward, and on top of that they've built a lot of the simulation. For Mordheim in particular, Tuomas Pirinen, who was the primary rules writer behind Mordheim with Priestley being the secondary that I believe provided the basic structure, has himself stated that Mordheim is not a 'balanced' game. That's why skaven with a shit ton of slings are so broken, and why two hand weapons (1h x 2 that is) are, in the core game, pretty much the objective best choices. Also you wouldn't take armor at all, or shields, so on and so forth. The game was never meant to be played like that, though. Warhammer Fantasy and Mordheim have such enduring legacies due in no small part to their sandbox nature. 40k's 3rd edition was released in 1998 (iirc), Mordheim was 1999, and Fantasy 6th edition was 2000. In the early 2000's, we got a lot alternative rules and encouragement in White Dwarf to come up with our own units. To convert, and just make shit up. Pirinen himself has, I believe, commented that the thing that he hated the most was how players were so reluctant to change rules as they saw fit. Rattling on a bit, sorry about that. GW are absolute scum, though, you're dead-on with that assessment in the 40k section. These days they tend to ruin everything the touch, their games are made to sell models, rather than selling models for their games (Priestley himself cited the company's escalating greed as his primary reason for leaving). People that insist the games they sell right now are the best ever are frankly coping because they've sunk too much money into the games. A lot of GW simps these days (pardon the expression) but back in the late 00's, early 10's, everyone loved Warhammer but hated GW. MESBG; in the US you tend not to see it a lot, but there is a thriving community in the UK and I think Australia and NZ. It's a bit regional, but they still sell most of the miniatures. I think in the US we just have the problem of "If it doesn't get weekly updates I'm not playing it" worse than most places. Frankly, if you want to get things going locally, you sorta just have to start pushing it. After I got a local 40k scene going again last year, about six months ago I finally got Mordheim started; only two of us have ever played it before. Fantasy and MESBG are the next games on my list.

It's damn tough, though.

I've never heard of that! I'll have a look. Big points for cooperative!

Likely should have clarified that I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who isn't deep in the hobby space and have been playing games for a long time . . . so certainly none of my friends. Still best game on the market today.

I'd recommend it to super nerdy autistic strategy nerds who literally read sun tzu the art of war and legend of the five rings XD I love it but I never win a game.

That's awesome! Man, I have found the community in Infinity to be so damn good. I literally walked into a store one day and saw some guys playing it and knowing nothing about it I asked if I could observe, after like 15 minutes they stopped playing and just taught me the game and let me play. I walked out of that damn store with an entire army haha

That’s the neat part. You won’t get a handle on it. Ever.

Ohhh that actually sounds better.

​@@TabletopTurtle I exclusively play Alpha Strike, I've only played classic once, but it never gave me a "War feel" because placing more than 2 mechs on the table made the battle last hours. But in alpha strike you can run multiple lances in the same length of time.

My impression is that Alpha Strike is also much better for scaled-up battles as well, multiple lances, combined arms, with tank platoons, aircraft, etc.

Alpha Strike is so watered down that it basically has nothing to do with Battletech anymore besides the minis: there is a classic/Alpha Strike hybrid invented by Death frommAbove Wargaming called Battletech Override. Faster than classic but still with individual weapons and simplified armor. A VERY good mix!

Alpha Strike is great!

I do love how inexpensive it is. I've seen it on huge sale many times.

Then they are my brothers!

To be fair, the gameplay of 40k is shit. It's not so much the fans as it is the company no longer making actual games.

Nostalgia berries are potent and wonderful and certainly not something I'd turn my nose up at.

Plus one for trying conquest. As a new gamer it was way more approachable than Warhammer, and the minis are awesome. Customer-friendly company and growing community.

That does sound interesting and it's nice they made their troops not carbon copied of one another. That makes for some boring paint nights.

That's sad to hear but inevitable with a lot of these mini games owned by a more generalist company like CMON, Fantasy Flight, etc. Plus it's a licensed property, so you know that's running out eventually. Maybe I'll try to find some online deals for some X-Wing stuff before it's all gone.

2.5 is pretty excellent, though I never played 1.0 (the version you played). I don't give a shit about Star wars, but this got me gaming again as much as when I was playing magic.

What's the difference between Last Argument and First Blood?

@@TabletopTurtle Last Argument is Rank and Flank, First Blood is Skirmish. They both use the same minis. I can't believe you didn't include it. It is much bigger than some of the games you listed.

Only going to revisit one rank and flank game and it will be either Conquest or KoW.

HAHA funny cause when I was just making the list of games I played I did notice the lack of Armada, because I think I always dismissed it as just X-Wing with some extra shit and a larger scale.

​@@TabletopTurtle Star Wars Armada has some of my favorite mechanics ever! Specifically the defense tokens system is Amazing IMO adds much for strategic depth and decision making to acts of attacking and defending then simply rolling dice like most minatures games.

​@TabletopTurtle Having played both it's a completely different game to X-wing. Much more strategy and more need to plan ahead with how your ships are controlled

Yup, armada is a completely different beast. Armada is a much more thinky strategy game. It’s incredible if you have a taste for that kind of thing.

You should try Armada.

This man knows what's up!

Oh lord I couldn't afford all those minis! I went to A LOT of game nights at stores and learned the rules that way to really jump into the community. I've always been dismissive of Carnevale because it was made by the terrain company, so I thought it just existed to push terrain. I'll have a look. I've actually played Rumbleslam! I should have included that! I didn't enjoy it. It felt a little too simple and not particularly interesting. But I played it I think when it first came out, so maybe it's different now.

@@TabletopTurtle Still though its a huge accomplishment! Carnevale was in fact from Vesper On games, TTC later adquired the game and relaunched it with new sculpts and rules, and then created a specific "streets of venice" range for it since they are huge on mdf terrain. Rumbleslam looks pretty unique and fun to me but I dont see it as a main hardcore game.

I'll get back to Bushido eventually. I'd imagine the company is still supporting the game.

@@TabletopTurtle You should try warhammer underworlds, it is like warcry but in a quick small tabletop game.

Seems like it 😛. I can see it with 40K as it sure ain't everyone's cup of tea and GW is GW but using the old version of Kill Team here feels kinda disingenuous as you cant even buy it anywhere at this point.

I spent an hour talking about games and dozens of hours editing to piss off a few Warhammer people. You got me! lol I think with GW I sometimes feel like I'm being sold more of a product than a game. Maybe I'll try the new Kill Team . . . but probably not. I still have yet to see it offer anything new or interesting.

@@TabletopTurtle at least you can admit it 🙃 But yes, they are absolutely selling a family of products. GW is an IP led company and they’re sell Warhammer toilet paper if they thought somebody would buy it. It’s a good business model but doesn’t necessarily make good games

@@mn01_ It makes TabletopTurtle seems less honest and objective. Also kind of hypocritical when he is trying to anger certain Warhammer people and criticizes GW like that.

40k doesnt even deserve C tier to be honest

It did seem like there was a time when Warmachine was going to pass Warhammer. I think that's when GW was kinda doing nothing with the IP for a bit of time.

Disagree!

@@TabletopTurtle Of course, otherwise you would ranked them differently. We're not sensible to the same things. From a game design point of view ASOIAF is a gem and I don't know which version you tried to have the feeling every army or character is the same, because you can drastically change the gameplay even sometimes within a same faction.

Too much free time apparently 🤣

There isn't. Stop searching. It's like I said, I might acknowledge Infinity (which I also love) as better game with WAY more depth . . . but man there is just something about Malifaux that provides way more joy, despite it also being a very strategic and dense game itself.

Haha my anime watching brain went to something very different with "man of culture".

That content is only available on my GW Critique Only Fans channel.

Man, I wanted to like it so much. I really genuinely did! I was so psyched hearing about it and I was pumped to play a season but after playing I was just so damn disappointed and sad. For Gaslands I now have friends who have ZERO interest in modeling or painting who own their own hotwheels cars that they've glued random shit to haha

You did a great job! You should get back at it!

Deadzone is an awesome skirmish game!

I've never been a halo fan, but I'll watch a few playthroughs

DZ is the best skirmish game I've played.

The minis are pretty cool. No denying that fact.

I'm sending the GW Gestapo to your house right now to steal your printer! I do the same with MCP . . . don't tell Atomic Games!

And because they release errata for a $70 book before that book hits the shelf, then change the game just enough a few years later to keep the train going. The fact of the matter is that the game isn't stable. Entire editions have gone by between games I've played because I simply can't be bothered to bust apart all of my models so I can make them rules legal yet again.

So play an old edition?

I glued an ear on a goblin and after that I realized no model building could ever challenge me again. Malifaux made me a god.

Someone will have to play with me and teach me the new rules or it will never happen lol

Yeah I love that you can focus entirely on the mission in Malifaux and end up surprising your opponent if they're not paying special attention.

More Carnevale mentions. I'll have to check out a cool playthrough and see what it's like.

And that's totally fair. Can't play this stuff solo. I just manipulate friends to play what I want.

I'm extremely lucky to have a relatively big (for our small country at least) local community who looooove miniature agnostic games and Conquest: Last argument of Kings (and there are a couple of people willing to play Malifaux with me as well) :D I've really bounced off warhammer hard, but I'm enjoying my time with Conquest a lot - though I do really like rank and flank games in general ;)

The trick, is to be the one who introduces the game.

My tiny country has almost entierly wh players but since the game is geniuinely rather bad even in their opinion and GW is terrible, every player has armies for like 4-5 different games. Bonus point: for the price of a SINGLE medium sized 40k army, you can get like 5-10 full playable miniature sets for other games. And as a bonus, statistically those games are going to be flat out better to play as well.

And do you think that it is played more because people prefer it? Logic would dictate that if all these other games were so much better people would be playing them. I think there are better games than 40k (and better editions of 40k as there are so many), but there is no miniature game that is more popular. That is just a fact.

Rangers of the Shadowdeep is on my wishlist. I'll have a look at Relicblade.

I've added it on my wishlist. Just need to find someone else to play with.

Okay I was misremembering. But I do remember not being overly impressed with the tactics and strategy available to me while playing.

@@TabletopTurtle Necromunda C tier is criminal! people have been put to death for less!

I really hated the Scavvy Plague Zombies spam. Necromunda was definitely not balanced.

It's a narrative game, though... "balance": be damned. "Balance" and the quest to find it is what makes so many modern games so... bland.

I'll have a look. I like that it sounds more complex than Aristeia. Always good to have a few steps inbetween a hardcore mini game and a board game.

It really sucks when the game you love requires people outside your friend group to enjoy because you're kinda at the mercy of whatever new game is in your local meta. And the alternating action thing always made me laugh because any GW product that has it, the feature gets advertised like it's some big innovation! 🤣

Don't tell Atomic Mass Games but I only own the base set and a few expansions. I 3d printed and painted A TON of Marvel minis to play in the game. I'm a bad person. Hopefully you enjoy Malifaux. It's really tough when you first start. Yeah people keep praising the new Kill Team but I likely won't bother going back. I'm not the biggest GW fan so a game needs to be really damn good to get my cash when it's made by them.

This is definitely the most repeating comment. I might have to give it another shot, perhaps.

@TabletopTurtle I don't know - you seem so psychologically dead set against it, I'm not sure a repeat would help you? Not saying you are some sort of close-minded person, but sometimes folks just have such a negative experience, that it taints all future interactions. So while the game is easily probably the best out of all you just listed, I'm not sure it's for you, man. Probably just keep playing what you currently like, you know?

@@mikefish1124 Makes sense to me. I mean, shit, we all are starving for more free time and we only have so much to give to the things we enjoy.

​@@TabletopTurtleI'm going to add in to the pro-warmachine crowd. The game is incredibly deep. The problem it has is that the learning curve can be quite steep, and player skill is a huge factor. We had to actively ensure that new players didn't play 'that guy' until they were comfortable with the rules or else they'd have a miserable experience

@@ubrot7995 none of gws game are above c tier, this becomes very clear when you branch out and play better miniature games.

I don't think it's unfair to put those games on the list, regardless of how extensive the rules edition changes are, especially when I explicitly state the version I played. I have not played the latest Kill Team but I have seen list of changes and I'll tell you this, I have not seen a single change that makes Kill Team stand out to me as a unique and interesting game that's doing something creative or pushing boundaries in any meaningful way. That's important to me.

@@anab0lic Factually wrong, you are hating on gw for the sake of hating. There is plenty of good other games, that doesn't mean all gw games are just c-tier.

@@TabletopTurtle Reading a list of rules means very little, many games on your list don't read very interesting or unique in themself. Most of the time what gets people into a game and shows how interesting it is, is how it feels to play. You could have at least watched like one battle report to make up your mind about it. But you didn't, instead you spouted outdated infos and turned your list into an outdated tier list. This is like basing how high 40k/AOS/Bolt Action and many other games are on their first editions. It just means your list doesn't inform anyone because the info is already outdated.

@@ubrot7995 I'm not 'hating for the sake of hating....' I actually started my miniature gaming journey with GW games and enjoyed them at the time. Then I branched out and tried many of the other games out there and saw just how lacking GW's offerings are in comparison I suggest you do the same. Their games bore me now, there isn't the level of turn to turn thinkiness and interesting problems to solve that other games provide. Which in turn creates a much deeper, richer, tactical and strategic experience to explore and provides more replayability without things getting repetitive and stale. GW's game design hasn't evolved much since i was a kid first playing their games in the 90's... that just doesn't cut it for me anymore.

Ah yes Epic 40K. It was so good they quickly abandoned it. Typical GW move.

Aristeia isn't supported any longer but you can usually find the stuff fairly cheap and it's a good stand alone game that's easy to bust out for none mini gamers. Moonstone is pricey, fair warning, but thankfully you don't need a lot of minis to play.

Well I can agree about the community. All good guys from those I've interacted with. I think Guild Ball provided that sports wargame blend I was looking for but it would be cool to have a game that's a little more silly and off the wall. My issue is always those damn charts.

@@TabletopTurtle I agree that the Charts are random, i think this game is targeted more to a Strategy intensive audience. I absolutely love it. There are Charts and it is RNG but part of that strategy is risk management. Knowing where to zone your players or position them to minimize casualties. I feel that if you are finding the charts as a negative it may purely be due to Noobie Luck. With strategy the Charts are part of the strategy. For example, Getting block as a skill changes your probability on failing a block to a 1/6, whereas normally its a 1/3. Small things like that plus positioning is where the strategy comes in.

@@odallyo5861 Also the asymmetry of the teams. If you want fast squishy guys, cool. If you want big tough slow guys, cool. If you want unreliable little guys with crazy tools, cool. There is so much variety but it all hangs together and remains enjoyable. It has remained largely unchanged for nearly 40 years for good reason. The best way into this game is not to play the 11 a side as it tends towards draws and a slower pace. Sevens is much more fun to start with. Nuffle is a capricious god.

It really is! I love painting them because you can make them so bright and fun

Indeed, Mantic is strongly underrepresented here. Personally I would add Dreadball, which is an order of magnitude better sports game than Blood Bowl.

I'll have a look at that one.

It never took off like X-Wing did. I wonder why that is.

Whatever you need to tell yourself to stop the flow of tears from your favorite game getting a D. Ten bucks says I can smoke you in your favorite game, too! 😜😜

I used to hate mini agnostic games but then I got a 3D printer and now they are my favorite.

Burrows & Badgers looks fun to paint!

Then I have to make all new terrain!!!

Would that even be in print anymore? I know the Battlestar board game is out of print due to IP issues.

@@TabletopTurtle Correct out of print. FB Marketplace is your friend.

I'll have to give that a look. We do REALLY enjoy dense games in this house, provided that density and complexity is offering a shit-ton of strategy and depth.

We were in BC at the time on one of the islands. There is certainly something for everyone in every niche hobby space, I think.

The number one enemy of all tabletop games: Requiring friends.

Whoa! I didn't even know that! Time to hit up their KZfaq channel and watch some Carlos!

Honestly, I'd go to MCP. I think MCP's theme speaks to kids beautifully. Plus I find a lot of the rules are easier to scale down in complexity. But you can really do that with any game, I suppose.

That's a solid variety of games in that list! Always good to get a little bit of everything!

Well I'd imagine the two could collide once or twice and the best advertised is the best product . . . just not in GW's case! 😜

Why are they trying to steal my Levis, bro?!

That's fair! I remember painting a few of these janky orcs from one of the earlier editions of Warhammer when all my friends thought we would actually play one day. Instead I think we chucked them at one another while riding bikes in the park . . .

You just had some bad teachers. I'll show you the way. My biggest fear with MCP is that like all big IP franchise games, one day it will be abandoned.

@@TabletopTurtle idk, the fact that the concept of cheerleaders even existing in a game breaks any balance for me. Imagine if Hulk, Ultron 2, or Malekith (pre-nerf) could use every turn for themselves? Remove the token order activation system and maybe I'll give the game a chance. I still have a lot of infinity models and stand by they are probably the most beautifully detailed miniatures in the hobby, but they're now just collecting dust aside from the occasional OPR custom army match.

If only that new starter set wasn't 300 dollars, my word!

@TabletopTurtle yea...GW is a bit bad at new player on boarding. You are far better off getting with some friends finding an army you like and buying the models you need while skipping the starter box unless you want Skaven

I'll have a look. I've actually never heard of that. This hobby is FILLED with so many games and yet it's really only a couple of games that get all the press and sales.

That's the plan! Although I think my top 100 video does a good job of that, but that's mostly for board games. Although I did manage to sneak a few board games on that list when nobody was looking. I have to move cautiously when converting the board gaming masses to the one true hobby.

Reading N4 was a hell of a lot more enjoyable than previous versions. I say this as a technical writer myself, I was pretty impressed with how that book is organized and how easy the rules were to understand after a single read. I'm embarrassed to say I have not even touched any of the expansion books, so I don't even know what new cool mechanics there are out there right now!

I should give it a look. I always wanted to love Infinity from playing when the rules were on a sheet in the minis boxes. The core system seemed so promising but it always frustrated me that the end result was painful. The rules were always more and more complex when everything they added seemed to add its own special rule. I do not like the mish mash of nations background which does not help!

Infinity is an amazing game, but it's so hard to play. And play well. So rules dense, not massively approachable. Very complex. I dropped out of it after years of playing it at tournaments because it just took so much energy to play for where I'm at now. It's not a casual game

@@dominicparker6124 Not in the slightest. I never recommend Infinity to people in the hobby unless they've been playing games for a long time and are okay with diving deep into a single game.

@@dominicparker6124 That's how I feel about Warmachine, I never quite got there with Infinity but appreciate why someone might love it

haha I mean that's not an unfair assessment of Infinity. Maybe I've played so much now that I don't really have that issue and most games always seem to be under two hours, which is nice.

Whenever I play Ariadna and I have Van Zant, I always play Back in Black before I make his airborne reveal. My friend hates me.

Thanks! I love that video game so I'll take a look. Although I always thought the Men of War game series was better.

Yeah it doesn't bother me too much because I know I'm not being personally attacked and I totally understand the passion for a specific game. I know my eye twitches a little when people talk shit about the things I love but that's what makes these games so special. If they appealed to everyone they would just be so bland.

Agreed! Too high.

Man I got banned on their official forums so fast and I was so polite too! The problem is I just really like that mechanic. It's what sold me.

I like BMG a lot. On the other hand, Knight Models isn't the best company to manage a game with such big IP. But the game is pretty fun!

Guild Ball is amazing, it's true. I am curious to see if the factions get a bit better in regards to how they play because a big complain was that everything started feeling a little samey because SFG couldn't understand how to balance a game properly without making everything the same. I'm not sure I've heard of SAGA. I'll have a look.

What's spearhead? Is that an expansion? I do appreciate the theme more

​@@TabletopTurtlespearhead is a gamemode with some unique rules that plays with premade boxsets, basically a smaller AoS

Just remember that while the minis are more expensive in Moonstone, you can get away with owning MUCH less than your standard skirmish game. Plus they're so damn beautiful!

People do really love Mordheim and it has one hell of a cult following.

I'll have to take a look! Although I'm disappointed by the lack of cute anime girls with guns! So my army will likely need some modifications.

The more games we play the better chances we have of find the perfect game for us.