Tillering, Explained | Fundamentals of Bow Making
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Күн бұрынTillering for bowyers, theory and the practical side. This video covers tiller shapes, limb profiles, troubleshooting, posting tiller checks, stages of the tillering process, and much more.
If you find any mistakes or corrections please let me know. And if you need any advise or a tiller check, don't be shy about asking for help.
May the bow gods be with you!
0:00 Introduction
0:30 Tillering 101
2:10 Tiller Shapes
3:15 Limb Profiles
4:50 Knots and Character
7:44 Troubleshooting
9:30 How to Post a Tiller Check
10:53 How to Tiller: stages of the tillering process
13:35 Tips, Tricks, and Hacks
18:04 Ten Commandments of Tillering
18:52 Conclusion
PDF notes from the video can be found here dansantanabows.com/tillering-...
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@bifbofbadoo8971 Жыл бұрын
A true expert. Master bowyer, craftsman, and teacher. Best explanation I’ve heard!
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
Thanks again, you’re always too kind!
@Man-ug9yh Жыл бұрын
I made a sinew backed bow and when and when I brace it one limb is strong than the other but when I put the bow on my lap and push the strong limb towards the weaker limb the tiller is perfect . I tried to tiller it even and when I take wood of the stronger side the weaker limb gets worst the weirdest rhing i ever seen. .Still haven't shot a white tail yet
@richardhoule7611 Жыл бұрын
This is gold! this is alot of what I still struggle to understand like dif tillers for dif profiles. thankyou for this. always enjoy ur content Dan keep em coming!
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
thanks man, can I visit soon? I have some stuff for ya
@richardhoule7611 Жыл бұрын
@@DanSantanaBows absolutely! I've been busy but I have quite a few yew trees scoped out! also BL. I been trying to make a decent work bench and shave horse. as soon as I do that I'll be back to more bow making
@glenn_r_frank_author Жыл бұрын
I love how your videos are both beautifully edited and relaxing to watch, and pack with so much very well organized and explained information! I have made my first bow in the past month and will use this info in making my second!
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
Thanks Glenn, hope it helps and all the diagrams didn’t get too boring
@glenn_r_frank_author Жыл бұрын
@@DanSantanaBows No, I love the diagrams and drawings you inserted... even love the hand drawn style.. gives it a great look and lots of good visual info.
@Rowanbows Жыл бұрын
thats exactly how its done. Ive recently build a bow for a cutomer which was send back to me cause - handshock, bad tiller. Although I explained him the tiller a few times even while the build of the bow. This bow had a lightly reflex and a deflex limb so in brace height of course it looked weird. But in full draw 28" tiller (to me) was perfect. Another indeed were the growth rings which came out exactly the same on both limbs - I know that doesnt always work but if the tiller is good in full draw and the rings look even thats a good indeed. but the safest point for me was that there were no compression cracks at all. Well I might send him this video link, thank you San!
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
Thanks man those character bows with weird brace shapes are hard to accept but sometimes it just has to be like that. Forcing a perfect braced shape will just throw off the full draw
@mattiazuccolo629 Жыл бұрын
love this video! For sure it will come in handy while I tiller my next few bows.
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
Good luck! Let me know if you need a tiller check
@mattiazuccolo629 Жыл бұрын
@@DanSantanaBows I'll try to post my progress on P.A. since the stave is not very staight forword to work with, it's common hornbeam and it has some interesting ridges all along the back 😅
@user-ed3gp1xu1o 7 ай бұрын
Honestly the best person on youtube in general. The amount of knowledge and how it's displayed is incomparable. Plus your cousins music is chill. So thank you to the both of you.
@opts9 Жыл бұрын
Excellent work Dan! You do a great service to all Bowyers of the past by passing on the finer points of the craft. If the first bowyers could see that thousands of years on, iterations their invention are still being created (especially amongst all the technological advancements of today's World) I'm sure they would be both grateful and proud (and amazed) to see your videos. Thank You!
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
Gee, thanks Opts! I try to do right by em but I bet they would scratch their head at the need to explain a lot of this stuff, like talking about how to walk
@aurorachacon1128 Жыл бұрын
Greatly explained and organized, excellent teaching material!
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
Thanks Aurora, hope it helps!
@jillatherton4660 Жыл бұрын
I've been tillering a 40" bow today. 👍
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
Awesome! those little ones are a ton of fun. If you like snapshooting it takes off so much pressure to find long staves and tiller them all the way to full draw
@jillatherton4660 Жыл бұрын
@@DanSantanaBows Great content and great guitar.
@jscottstockton Жыл бұрын
Great explanations. Thanks
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
@@jscottstockton Thank you Scott!
@eastcoastlithics1398 Жыл бұрын
Dan posted a video, its gonna be a good day 😌
@islandmanbows3746 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. I think I will try a character stave next.
@roman_sudneko Жыл бұрын
Very inspiring! And cool hand drown pictures. Thanks for sharing.
@velayuthapandiyan Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much
@sammurphy5079 Жыл бұрын
I found all of your videos so valuable and so thoughtfully created that I’ve watched every single one in less then 48 hours. You are without a doubt meant to make bows…. like its in your dna. Thank you so much for the knowledge and i cant wait for the next instalments! Sam
@Gauchooriental Жыл бұрын
There is a lot of information on that video that is so hard to put together. Also a lot of good bowyers do and know those things out of intuition but can’t put it into words in a clear way like you did!! This video will speed up the development of “ good” intuition in beginner bowyers! Fantastic job !
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
Thanks Omar, I hope so!
@meadowlarkadventuregear Жыл бұрын
Excellent content Dan… You do our craft a great service!
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jody same to you!
@ioda006 Жыл бұрын
I love how artistic and serene your videos are. I'll probably never make a bow myself, but I love to shoot and your videos give me a deeper appreciation for the physics and craft.
@richmondlandersenfells2238 Жыл бұрын
All i would love to say is that you sir are a true bowyer dedicated to the art of archery more than i would! Your pointers always motivate me to go find any wood and tree i could find outdoors! That voice is enough to calm me in the middle of the night. Truly you deserve more subscribers as you've earned mine.
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
Thanks Richmond!
@mr.o5501 6 ай бұрын
Great video and great visuals! Thank you!
@asdfjklasdfjkl1988 Жыл бұрын
This was a masterpiece. The art, the info, the production, the subtle guitar. Thank you for making this
@nzs316 Жыл бұрын
A most excellent tutorial!
@russhayes4882 6 ай бұрын
Very informative !
@ardenpowell5109 Жыл бұрын
It's amazing how much information I forget. Thanks for the lesson
@robinj6997 Жыл бұрын
These 20 minutes flew by!
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
Thank you I appreciate that!
@dragonsage6909 Ай бұрын
Great episode, thank you! :)
@georgyekimov9727 Жыл бұрын
I love your drawings, font and handwriting in your unique style ,a little bit similar with steampunk:))) I'm just waiting for free days to go back to my character white oak bow, your video is very helpful, thanks 🙏🙏🙏 ....and every time I catch myself thinking that I would present the information in the same way. I love clear organization.
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
Thanks Georgy!
@georgyekimov9727 Жыл бұрын
@@DanSantanaBows Hello dear Dan !:))) Once you said, that I can ask you to give an advice... so, I returned to my white oak character stave. It's very difficult to tiller him... would you please watch my short video and say, what to do? 🙏 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mr-dnLGDtazLepc.html
@nanomontero6809 5 ай бұрын
Excelente video, muy buenas explicaciones, Saludos desde Uruguay! 🤙
@darnutzer Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Testacabeza 10 ай бұрын
Excelente canal. Saludos de un argentino en Irlanda.
@frantisekvrabec7258 Жыл бұрын
great video
@samihassel5681 Жыл бұрын
Great tutorials, next time i will go to the woods i will try and make a survival bow with the help of what i have learned here. 😊
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
If you rough out the bow and then let it dry for a week to ten days then you can make a much more powerful bow. See the quick drying tutorial for details
@stephengardener4904 Жыл бұрын
Excellent
@kristoffer1909 11 ай бұрын
Hey Dan, i appreciate your videos a great deal! I am following your board bow tutorial at the moment and I would like to make it asymmetrical but I don’t know how that plays in to the tillering, fx. does one limb need to be stiffer than the other? Do you know of any videos, (yours or others) covering going into this topic?
@TaylorsAuthenticTraditions Жыл бұрын
Siyo Unali'i! Sgi for this awesome contribution to Primitive archery. I appreciate what you are doing and the way you present it. What region of the world are you in? Donadagohvi
@ncaticha Жыл бұрын
Bows with character! Tiller the bow-t around the island knots
@RnRJB Жыл бұрын
In character bows, how do you follow the fiber in the front profile? If you use a drawknife for rough shaping, you'll inevitably cut trough fibers. Do you shape the bow by splitting with a dull tool or?
@EronEdwards 4 ай бұрын
Excellent video Dan! I take it that scale works well for you? I'm looking to get one to get more precise with my draw weights (currently im hanging physical weights and measuring the draw 😂😂) - Ive noticed online some people mention that the style you have is annoying due to its lack of a peak weight reading. Do you find it to be adequate?
@DanSantanaBows 4 ай бұрын
I think it’s fine for me. I don’t sing praise for any scales though. I’ve seen many other bowyers with similar ones like Weylin and Corey Hawk. The type that archers use that take a peak measurement seem to me better for measuring the draw weight of a finished bow. Tillering with repeated pulling over many bows calls for a more robust scale. personally I like seeing the weight in real time and don’t want any “smart” features that clunk up the user experience and make tillering take longer
@markbenoit4187 Жыл бұрын
How do you decide the target draw weight and length? I’m carving a hickory bow that is 68” long.
@AlexandruLungan 3 ай бұрын
Amazing content! Thanks! The PDF Notes | Tillering, Explained is not working, can you fix it?
@michaelhanes8214 10 ай бұрын
I found that a tillering stick helps me get the bend under control and find brace height. Do you recommend to stop using the tillering stick once brace height is attained, and only go to pulling the bow on a tillering tree after that?
@claybowman1242 Жыл бұрын
For me 70% of my tillering happens before I bend the bow, I spend a long time using my hands to feel out and perfect the tapers as best I can. When I do finally bend the bow it's usually close to finished already, the less you bend it while you tiller the less chance of set.
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
I feel the same way. I think most bowyers progress towards pre-tillering more and more as they get more skilled. There’s no tool like feeling the taper with your fingers
@claybowman1242 Жыл бұрын
@@DanSantanaBows for me it was more intuitive than using my eyes because I started without a tillering tree. The hands are the ultimate tool and are vastly underused.
@glenn_r_frank_author Жыл бұрын
re-watching this... Interesting comment about the tillering "gizmo"... it gives a circular bend rather than an elliptical. So on a board bow design with a non bending handle glued on, I probably should not be using a Gizmo to tiller check (at least not as I approach final tiller - maybe just initial roughing in of tiller)?
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
You can still use the gizmo, just keep in mind to make the outer limbs bend more than what it’s telling you
@E-E.ADVENTUREGEARS Жыл бұрын
Awesome. Have you got pdf notes for this?
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
I haven’t gotten around to it yet but I’ll upload them later today. The website has been giving me a hard time with some technical issues lately. I think they’re finally settled, fingers crossed
@E-E.ADVENTUREGEARS Жыл бұрын
@@DanSantanaBows Ok no worries Thanks 👍👍👍
@E-E.ADVENTUREGEARS Жыл бұрын
@@DanSantanaBows Hopefully your website is ok Because can't find the link for pdf
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
@@E-E.ADVENTUREGEARS Here you go dansantanabows.com/tillering-explained/
@E-E.ADVENTUREGEARS Жыл бұрын
@@DanSantanaBows HI Dan Santana For some reason the download doesn't work I have tried it many times keep failing
@TheLittleworkshop 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, Another fantastic instructional video. Can I ask. What determines brace height, and why is it generally 6 61/2 for longbows.
@DanSantanaBows 3 ай бұрын
The lower the brace height the better the performance, because your power stroke is bigger. But as you lower it you start to get wrist slap and the bow needs a more delicately spined arrow. Too high a brace height can be stressful for a wooden bow and looks goofy. In practice try to lower it as much as you can while still being comfortable with the shooting characteristics. If arrow clearance is poor and wrist slap is bad try raising it a bit
@TheLittleworkshop 3 ай бұрын
@@DanSantanaBows Many thanks.appreciate your time and your help.
@jillatherton4660 8 ай бұрын
👍
@tomstaples25 Жыл бұрын
New subscriber here. How are you determining the shape and radius on your mold you use mainly for clamping and heat treating? Thx great channel.
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
Just by eye. Enough to give me a couple inches of reflex
@dierampe 2 ай бұрын
seems the linked PDF notes download does not work anymore :(
@peterolesen3567 Жыл бұрын
What if you make a pyramid bow with thicker inner limbs, or vice versa?
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
the tiller would be too stiff in the inner limbs
@wtfmrb293 Жыл бұрын
Oboy. I think I love you hhhh
@jani-hannuollikainen8542 10 ай бұрын
i am making a one bow from rowan wood.
@robertsmith9756 6 ай бұрын
I feel like there is a Book Coming in the Future, Am I right!!?
@DanSantanaBows 6 ай бұрын
One day!
@E-E.ADVENTUREGEARS Жыл бұрын
THE BEST TUTORIAL VIDEOS 👍👍👍
@DanSantanaBows Жыл бұрын
MA. All the hard maples are good bow wood but the soft ones like silver, red etc need to be made extra wide for a same-weight bow
@E-E.ADVENTUREGEARS Жыл бұрын
@@DanSantanaBows THANKS HEAPS 👍👍👍
@E-E.ADVENTUREGEARS Жыл бұрын
@@DanSantanaBows FOR SOME REASON THE PDF NOTES FOR TILLERING CAN'T BE DOWNLOADED FROM YOUR WEBSITE, I HAVE TRIED TO DOWNLOAD FROM DIFFERENT DEVICES STILL NOT WORKING.
@Daylon91 Ай бұрын
Wouldn't an elliptical tiller be the best for every design seeings how every part of the bow bends on a perfect horizon? If u look at most composite bows and even old selfbows all of them are elliptical tiller.
@DanSantanaBows Ай бұрын
Technically true, a circle is a case of an ellipse. There is only a tiny subset of bows that call for a literal circular tiller. Most bows will be elliptical. Some more circular than others on the spectrum but still an elliptical shape
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