Leather Boot Room FINALLY! thats the dumbest shit. They need to stop getting rich snobs and look at our other communites. soccer is a passion and those people who go to college for fucking history should not be a pro soccer player!

Jazel Diodonet the youth academy systems frm the MLS are non existent or poorly structured. Having more frequent open try outs for children has to be much more accessible. Let me just state the facts and say that not every child wants to go to a university. It's true. Some just want to play and if they have the true talent and the passion, why not just get them in a academy and develop the player? Then perhaps give him a professional contract from even the age of 16 or 17(if he's really that good). This is what all the leagues in south. America, Europe and Mexico do. I'm not stating anything new. But the US just likes to do shit way more complicated and do their stupid draft shit treating the sport like as if it was American football or basketball..also, teams need to invest in young talent from Europe, South America, Africa Asia and Mexico. And also get players with top level experience, not these old ass washed up players like Beckham, lampard, Ashely cole, drogba, villa, just to name a few. They need young and experienced players that are from ages 21-29. Pay the big money for them.

Leather Boot Room i agree they should let kids poor or rich tryout as opposed of having a rich or middle class kid knowing they are going to be drafted so they don't really have ambitious for exemple look at christiano ronaldo one of the greatest player in the world But ge didn't come from a college like these mls rookies he prove himself he fought cuz he had no money

Leather Boot Room what does that have to do with the national team, not all American soccer players go to college first, they choose to because of scholarship money or if they want an education to fall back on

Leather Boot Room and college sports are what make all other American sports greater than other countries, for example college basketball, kids play all through high school, the play 4 years of competitive basketball at the next level(90% of American college basketball players could play pro overseas by the way, plenty of people do it even in d2 colleges) and look at the popularity and the excitement in college football and basketball, the final 4 for NCAA men's basketball is played in front of 60,000 people, that's a college event

Jazel Diodonet i agree look at ronaldo or alexis sanchez he came from nothing opposed to rich kid knowing that a mls team will pick him that what troubling in the mls and americain futbol

The MLS doesn’t just get their players from college. Plenty of teams go for academy players, players from S. America, etc

Jazel Diodonet Although I think there’s some truth to what you say, the problem is that American kids don’t grow up dreaming of making millions in MLS. They see baseball, basketball and football players raking and getting all of the notoriety, so that’s the direction they want to go. Not all kids, of course, but the fact remains that our best athletes do not play soccer. That’s all there is to it.

The reason it's "pay to play" is because there is no financial benefit for the US youth elite club soccer system to foot the entire living expense bill for a young player to be properly trained and developed... European clubs can do it, because they basically take ownership of that young player and can turn around and sell him to another club down the road and earn a profit for their initial investment... besides, clubs can be so wealthy they can afford to invest in developing players anyway. But in the US system, a player is not "owned" by anyone until they sign a professional contract with a team... This means any young developing player is totally free to go anyplace he wants to once his training is complete... the youth club system gets nothing out of it.

Completely agree, Ronaldo, Messi, Hazard, all these guys didn't have to pay to play, they just played and made it big, Soccer needs to be open for everyone regarding of financial background.

Daniel RRNC Yes and no. Draft is cool cause guaranties some sort of parity, however it has many downsides. The normal system basically handles itself. Yes, the richest teams buy the best players, however weaker teams have the chance to get better by improving players and selling them for a high price so they can buy better players. I think a balance between the two systems is needed. MLS just doesnt work, but in Spain or Germany there are pretty much only two teams fighting for the league. By the way, loved Netherlands, I was there a few months ago. Greetings from Argentina.

Leagues in Europe already perfected the system. If the college system worked they would had done it already. At the college age good players are already playing at pro lvl and they do not have time for something else than training resting and training again , playing matches that require to move from one place to another. 21 years old is kinda too late to go pro. The gap would be too wide.

Lmao playoffs are bad? You haven't heard of Belgium my friend...

Swingro The European system is far from perfect. The draft/college system is a much more effective system for society. The reality is that the vast majority trying to make it as a professional fail. A lot of those who fail in Europe have then a disadvantage because many drop out of school/higher education to concentrate on making it where as in America a lot of them who are trying to be pro get Top Educations at College and can just go straight into great jobs if they don't make the draft or want to pursue it. The Draft/College system makes so much more sense and in general is how you would do it if someone was designing a perfect system. The reason it isn't implemented in Europe and the World for Soccer is that there are soooo many different countries/legislations/languages/leagues that it would be a disaster doing one draft and College system for it all. The US has complete control over it all because American Football doesn't really have many teams compared to Soccer and it isn't really an international Sport. Americans do not realize how BIG soccer is. It is a Mammouth task trying to govern it all.

The fact that they named it "soccer" and not "football" is the biggest mistake they've made

Pay to play is the problem. In Europe and south america teams pay for poor kids to play at their academies.

@@Asshat237 How do the teams in Europe and SA afford that? Where does the money come from?

​@@nofurtherwest3474 Argentian here sorry for the english: the club money come from the suporter we pay a mermesi one time a moth, also from the sell of t-shirt, etc and what you get from participe in a competition in fact the television also give you money. At the same time you have to think that the clubes sell form their players for give them a chance to play in the clubt, that give you the opotunite to save money to buy players in the future or sell players to the big clubes in the country or others in the world in fact most of the clubs with a few of partners sustem with that sell. This system works with a couple of varition in all the world in fact I don´t undestand who USA doesn´t use, even if you don´t have a futbol tradition you have most resorces from the federetion and the owners, in Argentina we don´t have owners . Is weird who the sports form the poverty is turn is an elite sports in USA

Broke ass mother fuckers

Its a flawed system, the only way for these clubs to make money is for subscriptions to play, there is no way for clubs to sell/ make money off youth prospects. Colleges have terrible soccer scouts, terrible scholarships and sole soccer in general gets little revenue, meaning colleges make Soccer a VERY small priority. Fixing these issues by INVESTING in the sport can be VERY wise.

where do you think most good players come from?They come from dirt poor areas.

messi was broke cr7 broke suarez broke pele broke neymar broke ronaldinho broke basically best players ever were poor but they live in places where they still get recuited because they are good not because of $$$

@@orb5841 Then how do the kids Europe sign with clubs? It's free right? Who pays for the clubs expenses? I wish I knew how it worked over there

You said a mouthful there. The powers that be do not want to get into the inner cities, because they want to keep soccer white and for the upper class and privileged.

@@madD8845 everyone wants to dance around this point.

Getting the sport popular within other areas like the inner cities will definitely help to increase the level of competition at the youth level. However, the argument that some people make about the best athletes being in the NFL and NBA instead of soccer is a terrible argument. The average NBA player is like 6'7". Only a fraction of those NBA players are a fit for Soccer. The NFL is similar, and there are many positions in the NFL that don't require high dexterous-type skill. If you're the right type of phenomenal athlete, you can make the transition to the NFL (like basketball players that play Tight End). Some players don't even play football until later in high school and still make the NFL. Soccer is the opposite across the world. Young players turning professional

Antonio Salameh i won’t watch MLS unless they implement pro/reg

It really wouldn't make any difference at all… Whichever team gets related, the top players on that team would remain in MLS (sent to another MLS team) and only a few of the best players from the promoted team would remain for the following MLS season. Pro/rel is very overrated...

@@davepazz580 you can keep tour closed system and never be good in football ,EVER , some of the best players come from teams that gets promoted Virgil Van Dyk came from Southampton.

Players from the lower divisions get promoted to MLS all the time (the majority of USL teams actually belong to MLS already and serve as developmental teams)... So it still isn't necessary to kick out a team for bad season just for this reason...

@@davepazz580 If team sucks shoukdnt play in top flight . I'm sure 100 other teams would be happy to play in top flight football

2k i wish, they charge us 7k over here in PA. was the best player on my team but had to stop playing because my parents couldnt pay, after that all you have is high school and D1 college coaches dont come to high school games. then you have to walk-on or go to a small college which is unlikely to be seen or play so no mls for you. its a vicious cycle if you dont got money there isnt any other outlet to be seen

Damn homie thats real harsh to hear... Something surely has to be done

Like the man said, over here, we just use a ball, and whatever's around for goals. In school, we just used our sweaters. You get into a lot of arguments about where the imaginary cross bar and posts are, but it works. Plus you can just foul people all the time. You don't need anything but people and a ball, and some random shit to mark out the goals.

I agree that soccer prodigies are scooped up early, but regardless if you are good or bad the club teams will still charge an insane amount of money for kids to play. That is the problem. I am sure if any of us got an opportunity to play for some academy at a young age with high hopes of going pro in the near future, there would be some leisure in respect to the dues one has to pay.

Thank you! That is exactly the problem. Like he said, not everyone has the financial means for paying for a club team and going to tournaments. The best players don't always have those resources. And worst of all is that in the us if you want to play college you have to play club soccer and if you want to be pro you have to go to college

Save The Jungle exactly. They should do it like the Premier League and I would probably watch it

Save The Jungle the support for the teams is not really there it would be hard to go for a team that no one knows it's hard enough that futbol is not important in America outside of the world cup.

Save The Jungle besides Leicester City only 6 different teams have won the Prem for the past 20 something years. How is that more exciting?

Its takes time

College soccer needs more promotion, youth clubs need to stop trying to be rich people only (it costs around $300 a SEASON to play in Clubs where you get scouted). City and Town soccer get little no scouts. Colleges need to team up with MLS to promote players development, Kids need to be hit with college fever YOUNG, I gave 2 shits about soccer when I was young and now Im 17 and cant get enough of the sport, but because I didn't get into it when I was young I had no time to grow. Its true that if US's greatest athletes got more promotion of the sport and were given opportunities (even if poor) US soccer would have more top players. But we don't grow up with the sport, or watching the leagues, When I was 10 I only knew 4 players, Messi, Ronaldo, Donovan and Beckham. I would never watch a game because I simply not interested in it, Basketball and Football was just.... More appealing. I only wish more promotion and less money was needed for Soccer, maybe then at-least, I would have had a bigger chance.

Trapack yup they need to make it like the NFL and NBA where poor kids have a Chance of making it and all that matters is who wants it more.

Carlo Alberto the problem with your logic is the poor kids who want it more, want it more because the money that is involved.

Marcus Moser and whats wrong with that

Youth clubs make no money or very little, Ticket and shirt sale? NONE! Regulations on youth players contracts make it Impossible to make money, college soccer gets no views, little reason to give out scholarships to good players, Players who try and play in travel soccer(Town based soccer where you verse other towns at little to no cost) get no where, the coaches are usually parents or have little credentials. Money wise, people play for fun, but to get somewhere is hard. There needs to be more then just the draft. College soccer means NOTHING, no one cares or watches it meaning colleges have little reason to give players scholarships. To make MLS and US soccer in general more appealing and producing better players they need to.... PROMOTE and INVEST, FIGHT REGULATIONS and RE-STRUCTURE all major soccer leagues in the States.

In short, promote College soccer, more people who watch it, more money gets pumped into brining in better kids(More top-notch scouts), more kids get into the sport, more kids can see a future, more scholarships as more money is involved in college level.

Adam S Simmer down son

Soccer is lame. Give it up

Under 20 world cup this summer US finished 3rd overall...in the entire world

Dalton Morgan No they didn't.

Dalton Morgan Italy finished 3rd in the U20 World Cup.

U20 US football team's highest finish was 4th in 1989. Try again.

ATL YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET.

EXACTLY, The only way to play for little to nothing is City/Town based games(Travel), but the issue is these coaches have little certification. Thats because youth contracts are illegal(at-least, the important aspects), limiting these clubs ability to make money. In soccer the only way to get scouted by colleges is in High school(In big games) or Clubs(Costing around $300 a season). Its simply stupid, scholarships for the sport are hard to come by, with promotion for College soccer abysmal. To get better athletes in American Football we need to fix the youth to High-school to college structure. When student at college hit 22 they should already be well known. The draft is important to American's because it allows for the sport to remain equal, the Prem, LaLiga, Bundesliga and all other leagues are ultimately rigged for only 5 teams to win and continue dominance for 10 years. Overall if the Soccer in the US in general gets a major rehaul then in 15 to 20 years we can see MLS rival big leagues, Money is not the issue in MLS, player quality is. USMNT can potentially win the World Cup in 30 years if the poor/rich structure is changed.

What does pay to play mean?

Yeah it’s becoming a problem with baseball too

That's because they are trying to model their system after American Football and Basketball systems. In the U.S. a kid that is good in those two sports, doesn't matter if he's poor, he will get a college scholarship and go on to play college ball. Doesn't work that way with soccer. Universities are not handing out alot of soccer scholarships.

Tomasz Zdunczyk the Latino community is strong when it comes to soccer but they can't afford to go to college yo get drafted.

Lol college coaches tend to play " favorites " and focus on the players' physical attributes rather than working on their football itself from what ive seen with my own eyes, if you wanna make it as a pro footballer aka past all the dumbass d1 college bs that gets you nowhere, get out of this country--> for example pulisic. Look how hes doing, at 20 hes already a regular at dortmund and onto better things than bayern and fullham rejects dempsey and donovan who stayed in america their whole career.

Carlo Alberto but Latinos can’t run it the whole time. I remember when my HS coach would forfeit games anytime we faced a Latino team

Dempsey a Fulham reject? He was one of their best players during that time and he was sold to Tottenham Hotspur, definitely a bigger club than Fulham is.

Youth leagues should focus less in willing than in talent development. But what is their incentive to shift to such a focus? Will a professional club come along and pay them to recruit their best and most talented players? Does the MLS do that?

Bullshit...how many of defending world cup champs Germany's team were recruited from the ghetto all star game?

@@daltonmorgan6464 in America tho,almost every top nfl nba player is from the inner city

What's the name of the "free pitch" if you don't mind answering? Just moved to Dallas myself and am curious on how youth soccer is set up here. Thanks

@@fletch3758 this was a while ago so there are probably more I don’t live in Dallas but dfw I was referring to Philip Thompson soccer Complex still free and seems to be a lot more popular

That way they could have open tryouts for the non college types to come in and compete.

Noah Lennon Finally a sensible comment on KZfaq regarding American Soccer.

I hate it because even American soccer fans use this as an excuse. Ugh.

Noah Lennon all these athletes grow up training for football and basketball even baseball if everyone played soccer like how every other country does we would be great

Noah Lennon the thing is Christian pulisic played in a youth team overseas that why he stand out in thw usa team look at micheal bradley he useless that being said the usa team will never be go unless they implement the youth system and relegation systems like all the top league do why do u think Christian pulisic played fof borrussia he technically gifted with his footwork because of the youth system and the reason why top player dont play in the mls unless ur looking to cash a big pay cheques (drogba , villa , pirlo , kaka ) The mls would always be a retirement league for it lack of ambitious because of not having a youth system and relegation systems They are some player in the mls that are good they rest just there collecting look at manchester city or barcelona they have a great youth and they have ambitious so they do mot get relegated

USA is no where near ready to sustain promotion relegation. No American investors will purchase an MLS team just to watch it go to USL and only a few USL markets could even come close to filling an MLS stadium. I would love pro-rel here, but we are 10 years away from that reality at least. It is a vast overstatement to say that the MLS is still a "cash big checks" league for aging stars. Look at three of the best players in the league: Diego Valeri, Seba Giovinco, Ignacio Piatti. All three players came to the MLS with many years left to play (Diego and Seba both in their primes) and now players like Almiron, Martinez aren't even to their prime yet. Other notables (Jonathan Dos Santos and Carlos Vela) are joining in on the party in their mid-late twenties. If you think it's still a "retirement league", you aren't watching.

Johnny TightLips there are plenty of sports that Americans thrive at that require more skill than Football, basketball takes why more technique and attention to detail that Football and the Europeans are starting to put money behind it so now we see them in the NBA, we just haven’t done the same with football

MOISTURE GOD basketball requires more skill?how

Zip it up because in the predictability of basketball, if the world had a champions league for basketball I assure you the team who wins the the NBA championship will win it, you can’t say that about football because one luck can have a bigger affect on a game than it can in basketball, that is due to the skill of basketball. If the teams with the best player constantly win than you can tell the the skills gap plays a bigger role and it takes more skill because you have to find a way to score the ball numerous times against huge athletic freaks.

Zip it up plus if you ever watched and played basketball you should be able to tell

MOISTURE GOD i have no tacitcs required classic american sport

Oscar Montes not tonight

Erkan Alles don't forget falcao dude

tokek edan Falcao is Colombian...

Yes most Americans do not understand football. You guys do understand bringing on a player with mc Donalds as his daily bread to who walks 2 centimeter to the right holding of a same type of guy and then going back to commercials. You call it American Football. I can enjoy the superbowl though, no doubt about that.

Nate Mauratt I am sorry did I nascar drive over your toes

Nate Mauratt not everyone is English speaking. The world does not revolve around the US

Nate Mauratt football and pardon me Canadian the world does not revolve around North America aye

Even if European economy would collapse i did not say the world revolves around Europe

Americans don't like cheering for teams that aren't considered "the best" or "at the top." MLB baseball has huge crowds of tens of thousands every match but lower league baseball teams struggle to get 10,000 fans to a game because fans would much rather cheer for the upper tier and richer clubs. No American soccer team would put in the time and money to get into the MLS if there is a risk to their investment, relegation is that risk. Soccer clubs are a business and businesses that don't make money go under.

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As the saying goes, there's no such thing as a free lunch...

You're delusional if you actually think that soccer will become more popular than baseball in America.

waifu breaks I don’t think he’s delusional at all. Baseball is more popular with people over the age of 50. Most younger people like soccer over baseball. I bet more people watch the game than watch baseball in America. When I say the fans, I’m including the European leagues.

@@StylistecS i'm young and i've met more people who like baseball and football than soccer.

waifu breaks you probably have. However there is a poll that shows that soccer is now more popular than baseball with particular age groups.

@@waifubreaks1572 sports die out. baseball and motorsport is dying out because the youth largely don`t watch it

No, you're thinking of Brad Guzan

I dont think he is talking about the abnormally tall athletes. But your Point Guards in basketball, WR, RB, and DB's in football, and your SS and outfield types in Baseball all have the necessary athletic ability to play soccer on a high level with proper training.

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