I think the problem of gaming industry now are not for new console or graphic cards but optimization

We don't ps6 dude,we just need dev to optimization they game

Problem is optimization

Played the demo on my PC on max settings, graphics are good but not groundbreaking, there’s no reason for this not to be 60 fps stable on current gen consoles

Have to disagree. Its clear this games poorly optimized. But sure lets have Sony sell us some expensive PS5 pro or ps6 that games will still be poorly optimized for. Because developers have gotten extremely lazy.

Wait until ps5 pro.. 🔥🔥🔥

Why are they optimizing the xbox series x so shittily? Its more powerful yet the ps5 has better framerates? Like dude what the fuck. They are being lazy as hell.

Sounds more like it's time for studios to properly polish and optimize their games before rushing to launch 🤷‍♂️

That’s why they should use a 40fps cap. I have no idea why devs aren’t doing this.

Maybe the devs are doing a shitty job? We hear this shit over and over again, year after year. Yet it seems like the more recourses the new generation of consoles provide, the more we hear about how these same consoles are struggling. Na, these dev companies are just just putting out unoptimized games

I've played the demo version. It wasn't 60FPS when I was playing but it was also in 1080p. I haven't tried in 4K but I'd like to see if it's 60FPS in 4K without any frame drops. I like this game.

The problem is the optimization. Devs know exactly the hardware they are working on…

we don't need new console we need good games

And triple A and Quadruple A dev confused why games like lethal company were successful hits

Don't worry like cyberpunk with some updates and patches it run smoothly at every device even in series s

It's an optimisation problem. Developers dont really care about performance anymore as they see it as a problem that can be solved later with patches

Back in my day, I used to play games in 8, 16 bit, as well as games locked in 30 fps, and I enjoyed dagnum!

I think a lot of this is not so much the box but the game itself, how much detail is in the game, how well it’s optimized, and sometimes just the vision for the game itself can impact frames per second. If for instance there’s not a lot going on in your game world then the games, powered by the new consoles, are more likely to run at 60 fps. But if you decided to make your game world super detailed and everything have its own weight and geometry that interacts with rest of Gameworld (ie Starfield) then you’re sucking up bandwith that can zap frames. In those respects, sometimes Frame Rates are a choice, again im looking at your Starfield.

The problem with the industry today is that every time new technology comes out these developers prioritize eye candy and overwhelmingly stunning graphics at the cost of playable smooth frame rates. They don’t care about the longevity of the game more than they care about getting awards and accolades. It’s all about a paycheck at the end of the day. It’s extremely annoying. This is why people say PC is the best option for gamers.

I’m glad I switched to pc a few years ago . I have a 4080 build and run this game with no problem . I was getting around 130 fps in the demo

Time for devs doing their work properly and optimize games for the current generation...

Time for playstation 6 ❌️ Stop releasing half made games that devs dont have time to optimize for at absurd prices ✅️

Locked 30 seems a better solution than unstable fps ... Even if it's higher

That zen 2 cpu on ps5 is killing it

The problem is optimization and over scoping of the games (like devs picking wrong were to invest the computing, memory and bandwidth budget of their games, for example immortals of aveum or whatever it's called using the absurdly heavy feature set of Unreal like lumen when their games is linear and static and would work just fine with pre computed lighting). Games like Jedi Survivor that came out absolutely garbage, them got patch that substantially improved the experience and made them playable at least. Them you have games like Spider-Man 2, Horizon Forbidden West, Demon's Souls, etc than offer substantial graphical upgrades compared to last gen, run silk smooth and at 60FPS. Them you have games like Metro Exodus offering ray tracing global illumation on consoles at 60FPS (if I'm not mistaken). Sure Unreal 5 initial release was very single thread heavy and that was destroying performance, and Epic have improved that. But devs also are not optimizing their games at launch to meet deadlines, make the problem worse. Jedi Survivor had garbage performance even with the best gaming CPU available on the market right now and a 4090. And the 4090 is probably the GPU target Sony is aiming for the PS6 given that the PS5 Pro is already shooting at 30% or so of it's performance (if you count teraflops alone). So they can make path tracing (like Cyberpunk) or ray tracing global illumation at least standard in the industry to cut development cost down, not having to pay for thousands of men power to set-up and optimize lighting in scenes in games. So giving more power to devs will accomplish nothing right now. Thankfully Epic seems to be optimizing Unreal 5 much more so things should start to improve in this half final leg of the generation.

they should learn how to optimize a game from rockstar

Yo if I want to play keyboard and mouse on switch and I want to change my keybinds how would I do that

Bro the next gen consoles are powerful enough to run at 60fps the got damn devs just need to better optimize their games

All because 1 game performs bad doesn't mean its time for next gen. Its like food seasoning... Imagine making a steak, you add the perfect amount of salt and pepper, you cook it perfectly for yourself and it tastes good! Now picture someone else making you a steak, then over does the salt and pepper, overcooks it and all around makes it a bad steak by industry standards... you don't eat it, then think "We need too create a new type of seasoning too replace these ones because that person used them poorly!". Okay, I forgot what I was typing and got hungry for some steak. However, my point is that there are plenty of well optimized games that look astonishing on current gen consoles so there is no need for next gen yet.

People are forgetting that for many years consoles were limited to 30fps, how do you think they are so affordable compared to a pc, until the next generation when AI tools are implemented, good graphics, resolution and 60fps will rarely be able to happen at the same time, with the current tools, you can only choose 2 of those 3 at a time, unless it is a console exclusive with optimization for a single sku

most games play 60fps no problem

Brother, its not the consoles... Have you seen forbidden west? That thing runs 60fps and the graphics are insane. If forbidden west , last of us can run at 60fps there is no reason for a game like this not to run at 4k 60. Look at any playstation exclusive.. and think twice

To much of a focus on resolution. Upscaling tech is desperately needed next gen.

The Series S version is perceptually smoother, showing that if you are well south of 60 fps, it's way better to target a locked 30 fps, rather than have an inconsistent mess. And no, I don't believe it's time for more powerful consoles. These consoles are hardly being fully utiized. That's evident by examining other games that are tuned for much tighter frame-time budgets than seen in the example given, AND the constant performance improvements being made to engines like Unreal Engine 5. Current consoles have been off to a frustratingly slow start(can also blame the slow development of next-gen game engines), but it's a mistake to think that we're seeing anywhere close to their full potential. Even GTA 6 will only have represented Rockstar's first major attempt at developing on these consoles. Think of how much they'd have learned during that time, allowing them to push the hardware even further on their second/third attempt. That's how it goes.

This is why I miss the 360/ps3 era, developers optimized games for the consoles to balance constraints like file size, graphics, and frame rates. Nowadays devs are lazy and give us poorly optimized 100GB+ garbage.

It's the devs optimization issues

The SX has a wider bit bus and has a more powerful RDNA2 GPU than the PS5 but its getting lower fps? We need to stop waiting for RDNA3 on pro consoles and tell devs to optimize performance on consoles

Bardzo czekałem na tą grę Demo mnie odrzuciło przez OPTYMALIZACJE, która dosłownie leży... Na sprzęcie PC na którym CyberPunk 2077 chodził płynnie na Ultra w stałych 90 FPS Outcast zawiesza mi się cały czas na średnich ustawieniach.... Panowie do premiery zostało kilka dni a na NAPRAWĘ optymalizacji nie wiem czy wystarczyło by kilka miesięcy...

Time to get class action lawsuits going. Bankrupt these corporations.

all i can say is devs are pushing too much in their games without caring about optimization and the specs that are able to run them

It looks great on my Xbox series X I have no issues

This has nothing to do with PS6... what are you talking about.... This is a eurojank type double A type of game and its just not well optimized. Thats the reason. Its just one of those you check back to a few months from now when it probably run a lot better.

Info game?

That looks so good wtf

Should have just locked them to 40

What's the game name

The PS5 seems more stable at around 50fps in this gameplay

I mean the game doesn’t even look that amazing 😊

Horizon forbidden west is proof that it's possible to have excellent graphics running at 60 fps, these others developers just need to have the same level of optimization in their games.

it's optimisation

Devs don't care about optimisation.

Software optimization left the chat!!! 😂

People seem to look for all the negatives in a AA title like this. Trust me, the devs know and a patch update is inbound..

It's not the consoles, developers just arent optimizing for consoles

Devs are relying too much on DLSS and FSR to help their games run well. Its a cop out. I've noticed any new game on PC will run terribly without DLSS for me.

Maybe we don’t need every 7 years new console. Technology is not developing fast enough.

Bozo xbox series x graphic and processor is better than ps5 how the fps is lower😪

I was really hoping more games from last gen would get 60fps updates. This generation of console gaming has been pretty disappointing.

I think your issue is that you assume that the developers Target goal was to make the game stable when in reality they probably sacrificed every bit of performance in order to make everything ooh pretty pew pew which is big problem that particularly Western game developers have. It's kind of like how Bethesda releases broken games and then 2 years later the community for those games actually patch it so that it can actually run and work.

Consoles now is a big scam and I remember when they took out Xbox one graphics at first look nice and now they put Xbox series x looking the same graphics and made Xbox one look bad in graphics….

How much is Xbox one s

No play testing and optimisation be like

Waittttt what is this game ?

It’s not the consoles. It’s optimization. Been playing it on my pc 3080 ssd blah blah. Still frame drops stutters.

You don’t think Outcast 2 is going to be that good? Why? Is that solely based on performance issues that you mention? I always thought those types of things could eventually be patched. But you can’t patch in fun factor and game design? Those are the facets that’s should carry the game, over performance, at least in long term when judging good vs bad game?

It's an optimization problem

No way, outdated at launch and weak hardware performs outdated and weak. Who would've known...

120hz 40fps VRR is what they need to do . Why devs outside of a few first party Sony studios and a few others dont target that i'll never understand.

outcast 99 was 10 fps and ı enjoyed.

That’s a fun way to pivot the problem to consoles😂! Side note: developers are now becoming lazy and want easy money instead of making great optimized games.

Think abut GTA 6😢

PS6 (RDNA 4) vs AMD Radeon RX 8000 (RDNA 4).. who will win faster?

I have a series s, funny that the box explicitly says 120fps I'm saving money to upgrade my pc, fuck capped consoles😅

Lazy devs is the only answer for consoles.

Its also an indie game

It’s poor optimization honestly….even high end PC’s are running these games like shit too

Its not the console s faults its the low IQ gaming developers for not optimizing the graphics for these games that should look like red dead 2 and batman arkham knight

is it the console or the optimization 🤔

The console is not the problem it’s these fuckin developers 😂😂

30 отлично, естественно. 47 хуже - дергается картинка. 60 - уж слишком плавно, не погружения в игру

We need a class action lawsuit because games were marketed for 60 fps and this has been ridiculous

Ps5 and Xbox series x>>>series s

We dont need a new generation😂, we need better optimisation, xbox series x and ps5 console gpu are equivalent to rx6600xt bruh and series s is equivalent to a gtx 1660 ti

"Time for PS 6" - because the developers of this game are too bad to make it run well - with graphics from 2010.

Yeah…there is no way this game shouldn’t be able to hit 60. I think this is on the devs. Even still, if you’re that worried about frame rate, just go PC and stop worrying about consoles. They hardly ever hit 60 fps for the last few gens

60 looks unnatural I don't know why people make a big deal. Honestly around 45 looks more natural.

When did this game come out?

Nah developers should optimize their games better I will keep using my xss

PS5 is better than XBOX SX HAHAHAHA

Yeahthis isn’t anything groundbreaking. graphics ain’t great. Should actually push higher framerates on both.

Wtt I have a séries s and I play in + 120 fps

That's why yo udon't fucking pre-order games

🗿pc rtx 4060 ti🗿

I think it’s just your settings.

Xs xsx just 10 fps different 😮😅

It's not PS5 it's PS4 ultra and XBOX ONE Pro plus

It is same even on pc. In some areas especially towns there is huge cpu bottleneck but at the same time it's not even using 30% of my 14 core cpu lol. This game looks bad than many ps4 games at the same time. Optimization is shit in this one.

Bet this game would be even dying quick look at that looks at first sight not star wars

Time for ps 5 pro

this game looks super gay