Yeah, they do great parroting what they’re to,d to say. Moron.

I'm certain their children would agree 💯👍

They are not married.@@InquisitorMatthewAshcraft

I would also like to recognize John, Bridget, Carenza and so many others! That combination was unique and is what makes this a good show.

Matt could be my son’s twin. It’s uncanny ❤

Yes, this episode is a fantastic vindication of John Pull's work. He was working class and didn't have a degree but was a great archaeologist who saw what those two doctors weren't able to understand. Bigotry doesn't make good scientists.

You make zero sense. Stop commenting in public.

The unsung hero of Time Team.

@@basstrammel1322 Just one of 'em - think about *Ian,* the JCB driver.

@@philaypeephilippotter6532 stop with the JCB driver bullshit. There were very few episodes where they used a JCB, the majority were featuring Case.

Ian Barclay (the elder JCN operator) I see as Yoda and Ian ( the younger operator) as Luke. Ian Barclay is laid back and can skin an inch off a trench from full bòom extension to maximum contraction just by feel. Both are extremely brilliant operators.

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The same thing with many self educated specialists. They work twice as hard to prove themselves, but studied upper-class snobs won't let them get a foot in the door.

CologneCarter Yeah, but the opposite is sometimes true too. Self educated specialists destroying sites and selling off their finds and upper class snobs doing proper archeology (think of Egypt where both styles happened)

Obviously the ideal is both, but those contemporaries who criticized Pull had their own agenda and sense of entitlement. A professional (or amateur interested in doing good work) would have done everything possible to be about the finds. Someone passionate like Phil Harding would have wanted to see Pull's methods and collaborate to extract the most information or recover it. I agree with you about Pull but that also means I don't consider his contemporaries as true academics or professionals. Side note: at the time "professional" was practically a dirty word since it meant someone who had to earn money. The enthusiast would have been celebrated -- but only if the "right" sort of person (class). Think about why amateurism was so prized for the Olympics for so long. It's a class thing.

@Ross Meldrum Those ones, yes. All, no. Watch the *Castor* dig.

*BoSSa mOOd* Actually *Carter* wasn't an amateur - otherwise no argument.

Fizza O Just as the climate professors

I have a hard time working up much hate for a gramophone salesman.

*Fizza O* History has proven him right now. That makes up for a lot.

Yes ,he was good enough to fight and get gassed, while they were probably on some cushy number well away from enemy lines ,but not good enough to pursue what was just a hobby for them. Elitism and no doubt a fair amount of envy because he was doing way better than them. They haven't changed a bit have they?

@@hogwashmcturnip8930 Amen.

I initially read that as "Phil's butt and hat..." works for me!

​@@tripleransom4349Don't forget the legs.

The murder of a veteran was a crime and should have been dealt with then.

@@bobbyhood101 Yes, in *Britain* _murder_ is a crime and has been for centuries. Why do you think *John Pull's* murder wasn't _dealt with?_

@@philaypeephilippotter6532 Doesn't take a genius to work that out, which is why I think I know.

@@eboracum2012 The murderer of *John Pull* was caught and executed. His three accomplices, who were unarmed in the robbery, were imprisoned.

@@philaypeephilippotter6532 I thought it was due to the so-called upper-class who'd looked down theirvhd4s JJ's

Ah, thank you. I never thought of looking on Google Earth!

@@celticspirit5166 Ol' Stan has methodically spotted every Time Team site. He's the kind of guy who knows how to make OCD work for him.

Lucky! Did you happen to go along while it was under way?

+Saint Boudreau right-o.

Francis is one annoying twat reducing everything to ritual, death and offering. e's not practical enough to realise that the majority of what ancient people did was for survival, therefore was for practical reasons rather than ritual.

agree they had customs just as we bury our dead, we know now all that big stone and circles were sun season alignments plant crops ppl coming to trade frm north / south enclosures store fronts ''right this way'' francis very annoying I pity his students listening to his crap.

I concur...

@Saint Boudreau Sounds good to me! It makes logical sense that they would have to store the flint somewhere. Also, the tree makes a very convenient marker!

*Tony's* function was just that. He represented the audience and got the archæologists to explain for _me_ what was going on. If you watch him you'll notice that time and time again he gets them to explain things that have been explained in earlier programmes - and, as a respected amateur archæologist, he often knew the answer already.

I think they'll be wondering what I do, "Why is everyone digging all these dang ditches everywhere!!?!!"😊

Definition of an Expert = One who knows everything about something, and sod all about anything!

Expert: (ex-spurt) a “has-been” drip-under-pressure

That occurred to me too. Maybe they were trading with people who did nothave access to flint? Perhaps it was a Neolithic warehouse!

No.

Oh, okay then.

No. And it’s not guesswork, it’s knowledge based on experience.

Greg B Phil's hat should be a "registered site" with English Heritage HAHA. The entire Time Team crew had a great chemistry and made a subject that for some would have been boring, into a very engaging television program. After all when you strip the show to it's basics, it's only a group of people digging a ditch...

+CompetitiveAudio There is actually a Twitter account dedicated to Phil's hat, complete with "talk loik a poiret" verbiage.

+Greg B Phil gets a new hat for himself in a later episode.

+Andrew Gruffudd @TheHardingHat (which has Twitter links for Francis Pryor @PryorFrancis, Raksha Dave @Raksha_Digs, and Time Team Fans @TimeTeamFans)

all of them, if he allows it. they could also be sold at auction for very high prices. he has fans all over the world.

Gotta have a dual purpose too😊

*Mike Wazowski* I doubt it. The bank robbers were just petty hoodlums.

+Jill Fernanadez His neck was twisted, so...

In the context it was - otherwise I agree.

I can't find anything on the internet about flint oxidizing. Can you put a link to something explaining this? Google is clueless.

😂😂😂

*Karmic Popcorn* Whilst some stones do rot, limestone being a prime example, I can't think of any reason for flint to rot and paleolithic flints in good condition have been found. _Ergo,_ you are right! 👍

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Got time or haven't got time?

+cjpenning You mean John Pull the Second? (Couldn't resist.)

+christosvoskresye I had a punny answer, but I can't remember what it was!

+cjpenning Oh yes. George N. Ringo.

cjpenning There is a NASCAR racecar driver (now retired) named John Paul, Jr. -- or, quite literally, John Paul II. Years a go, before I became Catholic myself, I remember joking with a Catholic friend about "John Paul II" losing a race, saying that he deserved to lose -- a Pope shouldn't be racing a car on a Sunday.

he should 'pimp his ride' and enter the Pope Mobile in some open class.

*Nick G* Why would anyone think about a druid shrine on a neolithic site?

@@philaypeephilippotter6532 druids were practicing since pre bronze age

@@nickg8424 Actually the consensus seems to be that _druids_ didn't exist until the early iron age in *Britain* and probably elsewhere too.

@@philaypeephilippotter6532 what consensus?

@@nickg8424 Archæological consensus.

Nowadays, with environmental archaeology, isotope analysis, and microscopic analyses, they're able to put together a pretty vivid picture of what people were getting up to in the Neolithic. Some of what they've learned is quite amazing. For instance, there was a blowout feast in the Neolithic period down near Stonehenge, and the cattle were brought all the way from Orkney for the occasion. I grant you the stains, flints and bits of bone aren't that photogenic, but they are incredibly valuable as sources of information.

Very watered down version of the story - While working on another project Mick Aston said, to Tim Taylor, that you could get a good evaluation of a site in 3 days. Tim Taylor came back to him later and asked if that were true; and if he (Tim T) gave Mick all the personnel, experts and technology available would he (Mick A) do it for television. Time Team was born in order to quickly assess a site and give a basic and general understanding of any given spot. But Mick made sure that the data was good and the findings and locations were accurately recorded so others could do more extensive work if resources and interests became available.

Kathleen Heath Indeed, and three days generally are enough, but sometimes the lack of time is disturbing, even if the goal is only to do a good evaluation. So on average three days may be enough, but Mick should have realised that being so strict on the three day limit is unwise at some sites. I know it is a question of money, but a bit more flexibility towards one day or five days would have been desirable.

They all have real jobs so ...say fri sat and sun is when they dig/shoot I believe..once a month they do(did) a show.

These digs are done over the weekend the people work a regular job and have lives in their fields outside of the tv show.

Ok looking at the lengths they went to get the flint shows you how important it was to them and the fact that they used large nodules as the markers shows that. The flint seemed to be buried in a circle around the tree pit and then you had a larger circle around that so maybe it was an offering. You do realise Darwins works had been around for almost half a century before Pulls dig and Neanderthals had died around 20.000 years before the Mesolithic period.

Fox1nDen I have as a lay person done a lot of historical research into various enigmatic events. When I did research into the flood of Noah (peace be upon him) I had to study many sciences to come to a conclusion which I felt comfortable with; these included Archaeology, Climatology, Gravity, Epic Graphical, Geology, Physiology, Astronomy, Legends etc. This involved numerous documented high brow studies into the various subject disciplines. When trying to make sense of these sources to come to an satisfactory conclusion; I had to deal with the constant sniping of one scientist over another. They argued at an atomic level and ripped and clawed each other like wild cats. Yet, when I evaluated their individual findings, I found that they actually complimented each other and the resultant answer was clear. There seems to be an unexplainable antagonism and extreme competitiveness which fires these professionals. In their day great people such as Isaac Newton and Galileo Galilei faced the same ferocious criticism and rejection of their theories. It seems nothing has changed. In the same context; you can imagine the high brow intellectuals who considered themselves far superior to Mr John Pull insulting his finds and criticizing any conclusions he came to. It could be that the evidence he produced sounded too much like the truth and they felt undone. In the face of his success, their jealous rage when they bulldozed his digs was probably an attempt to cover their embarrassment and make sure that no one could prove then and in the future what they themselves knew. They could not handle the idea was he was probably right. Often on the Time Team you can see the different archaeologists arguing; and yet they eventually either reach an agreement or find results to prove their point. As one can see, occasionally they have to eat "Humble Pie". A teacher once told me that when teaching the teacher constantly learns things that they themselves did not know. So constructive criticism and reflection is a good growth point for both the teacher and the pupil. Mr John Pull may not have been able to understand the whole picture; but he did get some things right and under the guidance of the Time Team he would have been sure to have gained a lot of knowledge. Of course what archaeologists knew in his time was not nearly as comprehensive as today's scholars. His end is really sad and I hope his daughter can feel satisfied that not only locally but internationally his dignity has been restored. Best wishes.

Let's try and stay logical, shall we?

Celtic Spirit, In a perfect world where logical reasoning reigns supreme we would not have had the events which I have described taking place. The only place that I know of in history where every Scientist, Philosopher, Engineer or Theologian (male or female) and their students were shown great respect and where knowledge moved forward at a dizzying rate was at Alexandria in Egypt. The destruction of the library and the lecture rooms at Alexandria destroyed countless documents which would have explained many ancient scientific mysteries which people are frantically searching for today. It has taken more than two thousand years to partly catch up with their knowledge in some subjects. Intellectual debate can be a very good and productive scale for people to reevaluate and judge their own and other peoples findings on. But wholesale denigration of either a professional or lay persons knowledge without either giving them the ability to explain their views or correcting them in a courteous manner cannot be characterized as such. Instead it is just narcissistic assassination. When pursuing my own studies I actually remained perfectly logical. That is why in my previous comment I made the statement. "They argued at an atomic level and ripped and clawed each other like wild cats. Yet, when I evaluated their individual findings, I found that they actually complimented each other and the resultant answer was clear." The result was logical. If the Scientists I was talking about had calmly sat together and discussed their findings they would not only have found that they agreed with each other but have been able to feed off each others knowledge and improve their own intellect exponentially. If they drew other Scientists into their circle and these brilliant people fed off each other WOW!!! They would not only be a force to be reckoned with but they possibly would have the sweetness to be willing to teach what they know and give others the opportunity to improve their chances in the intellectual field. We all have some borders which we will not cross; but it is important to be open minded. I know a prince (not English) and I spoke to him about how he feels about people with less knowledge or status. He said to me that he judges himself and his actions constantly and if he finds a way to enable a lesser person to achieve greater wealth and status than he has himself he will really feel as if he has achieved something great. I have personally witnessed him without pulling rank subtlety steering conversation in a group of commoners which resulted in everyone contributing and feeling wonderful and enriched at the end. A final thought to leave you with is; Mr John Pull was put through a lot of psychological abuse. Ask any Psychologist and they will tell you that psychological abuse is worse than physical abuse. If John had worked with someone like Dr Mike Aston (who was always trying to help ordinary people understand archaeology) he would probably had a full and happy life and lived to a grand old age. Best Wishes

I got as far as Noah and I stopped reading. Please seek medical attention.

Well there are/were a lot of Pentecostal Snake 🐍 handling churches in & around the Appalachian area. So yeah you Could fit that category. There are about 125 snake handling churches in the U. S.

Had you not realised that neither flint nor any other stone register on a metal detector?

@@philaypeephilippotter6532 Indeed. Metal detectors would be useless if they did.

I volunteer, but just a small slap. He's been on for many years. He's gone from long hair to almost none.

Whut? You mean the role he plays? He´s supposed to sting the pros a bit, to add drama. Not a bit of snobbery about him normally.

Tony said he was Prejudice towards the FOOD. He said "the food was Really Really Nice & he thought the food In the Stone Age would be Disgusting & what he ate here would be found in restaurants today". As usual a hypocrite Cherry Picking what they want to instead of what's actually said.

That's because a _flint scraper_ is distinct from a common stone.

Doesn't work that way, lol. You gotta move at a certain pace. Each time the thing beeps is supposed to be one step.

So drive slowly? :)

Assuming that geophysicists aren't stupid, they must have thought of this themselves. My guess is that it would influence the measurements. E.g, if you are trying to find metal in the ground, you don't want a great big lump of metal near your instrument.

@@aoakzeph You can change the timing of the beeps to suit your preferred pace. Of course, quicker is generally better in terms of the amount of ground you can cover.

+Lee Readman Tough fucking shit?

+Barnaby ap Robert NO its- thanks for sharing

Where's the fun in that? :-D

Really? You were too lazy to type three words? :D

*Read My Comment* Since the new stone age (the *Neolithic* age) began about 12,000 years ago, millions of years _after_ the dinosaurs died out, they won't usually be found mixed up. The dinosaurs became extinct before the *Cenozoic* age began about 66 million years ago. So it's no mystery.

@@philaypeephilippotter6532 you are confused, the stone age involved both the Jurassic period and neolithic meaning there was a cross over. Antiquarians in the 19th century never understood that and for years people didnt know.

@@readmycomment3157 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Age en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesolithic en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurassic en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous-Paleogene_boundary en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenozoic I don't know why you you have confused these eras. The *stone* age is the period when stone tools were used and is usually divided into the _paleolithic, mesolithic_ and the _neolithic._ It started less than 4 million years ago. The *jurassic* age ended over 140 million years earlier.

@@philaypeephilippotter6532 im pretty sure the stone age saw the introduction of iron tools as furnace technology improved during this era

@@readmycomment3157 The *iron* age started c. 500bc over most of the northern hemisphere. The *copper/bronze* age preceded it and was preceded in its turn by the _neolithic_ age, the _new_ *stone* age. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Age

*Peter 99* Being awarded a knighthood for charitable work and services to the *Labour & Socialist Political Party* is not inconsistent with republican leanings. Even republics have an _honours_ system.

He was an admitted republic and socialist full stop. What he is now, who knows?

@@Peter-lm3ic who cares, he's a tv presenter

They weren't academics, they were _gentleman archæologists._ You know, fancy cars, servants, flamboyant ignorance.