The Rolex Submariner vs the Tudor Black Bay Fifty Eight Bronze

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When assessing any dive watch, comparisons to the iconic Rolex Submariner are inevitably going to pop up. But the other day in the Time+Tide office, Andrew happened to be wearing his brand new Tudor Black Bay Fifty-Eight Bronze while Matt's trusty Rolex Submariner 114060 was dangling from his wrist. So they decided to put their two watches head to head.
It’s easy to cry “apples and oranges”, with one being a thick-lugged steel watch that epitomised modern-day Rolex up until its latest 2020 evolution, and the other being a solid hunk of bronze nostalgia built by the crown’s younger brother. But there are actually a lot of things to learn by analysing these two dive watches.
In this video, Andrew takes us deeper into these two respective watches than you’d expect. From the way the case material feels against your skin, to the story behind Tudor’s twin logos, to the level of shivers that get sent down his spine every time he spins the rotating bezels. Considering the price difference between the two watches, it’s interesting to note that there’s not really any perceivable disparity in quality.
As for the age-old debate of Tudor vs Rolex, it’s clear that Tudor are no longer “just a cheaper Rolex". The vintage style cues remain, but they have evolved a signature appeal of their own - one that compels you to wear the watch for entirely different reasons. If you were actually tossing up between these two watches to purchase, this video should help you make up your mind
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@walkerb1734 3 жыл бұрын

I own both of these watches (well, the blue version of the BB58). If I had to pick one I’d go with the Tudor. Just LOVE that watch!

@edgardjulio7679 3 ай бұрын

The problem with the bronze is that it loses the shine very quickly....gets shady - thoughts?

@jamiesieu801 3 жыл бұрын

Great comparison @ Time+Tide Watches. Just one small correction there: Tudor BB 58 comes with COSC certified enhanced with +4/-2 secs per day accuracy, whilst Rolex's superlative precision is +2/-2 secs per day. Rolex only has 2 secs per day advantage.

@garyboyle695 2 жыл бұрын

The Tudor has the advantage that it is certified by a third party and not an in-house certification.

@DeanoTXR53 2 жыл бұрын

Wow. Never heard the shield story before. Great video. Sub v 58 is topic that has been beat to death in general, and yet you managed to make a video that felt like untrodden ground. Great mix of facts and subjective comparison/feel etc. Awesome. Subscribed

@dave_5204 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience on how you experience the bronze material over time. I can imagine that this is a big factor many are unsure about when considering bronze watches.

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Hundreds of requests for this - please follow Insta for the journey @timetidewatches

@joshwinzinger8644 Жыл бұрын

Own both, and the bronze 58 is the best looking watch and the watch I get more compliments on than anything in my collection. It’s a better watch, period.

@ianferris 3 жыл бұрын

Shield to protect the crown, damn.. Hans Wilsdorf is a true branding and marketing genius! My pick would still be the Submariner just because it has the feature that I needed, date and on the fly micro adjust.

@naturalLin 3 жыл бұрын

This is mind blowing lol

@scollyutube 3 жыл бұрын

This version BB58 has micro adjust on the fly too as he showed which is fine for day yo day use. Hoping they release an after purchase S/S version of this clasp too.

@garyboyle695 2 жыл бұрын

Why do I get the feeling that is just more Rolex marketing BS. Up there with each of our watches takes a year to make.

@or6144 11 ай бұрын

What?!! Hans long passed before they used the Shield logo didn't he

@dannyg6592 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent comparison. While I loved the five digit Subs, I have not been a fan of the maxi case. I have a BB58 on order as it looks more the way I think a Sub should look than the Rolex.

@galaga8834 3 жыл бұрын

I nearly swapped my Tudor Black Bay 79220B (Smiley) for a Rolex Submariner plus $ a few years ago and now I'm glad I didn't. Tudor fills the gap for a diver for me quite nicely whilst I leave Rolex for the GMT function. I have the discontinued 116710 LN Master 2.

@HOBBL3 3 жыл бұрын

My BB58 is extremely accurate so far, its keeping at around 1 second a day, super impressed as I also have a very active job so it gets knocked about a fair bit

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Very impressive technically, especially for the money.

@peterree30 Жыл бұрын

Could you please do an update review on the bb58 bronze. Would really appreciate it. Wanted to know how it patina'ed, if you wore it in summer, did you ever clean the watch etc

@1999zrx1100 16 күн бұрын

Never heard of or seen the Bronze Tutor, one popped for sale near me for a real bargain, doing my homework before I pull the trigger. 🙏

@carzakone333 3 жыл бұрын

Standard of Tudor time runs at -2/+4, its beyond COSC

@mkyhou1160 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah - I’ve found Tudor to be as accurate as Rolex, they over deliver to often be regulated within 2s.

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Will be interesting if the new metas pieces push it even further

@carzakone333 3 жыл бұрын

Metas is +0/+5, Omega watches sometime run at +3, +4 second a day, imagine your Tudor runs at -1/+2...I would prefer that

@martini.1004 3 жыл бұрын

For the sake of originality, it's the Tudor for me. The sub is just too common these days

@davetran8831 2 жыл бұрын

I have the bb58 bronze. Clean it with a toothbrush and toothpaste every other week and it always stay the same bronze color like day one.

@Number_006 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, great to see a comparison. Really enjoy your content!

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

You are more than welcome 🙏🏻

@gwapogreg5837 Жыл бұрын

Great review.

@benbamboozle Жыл бұрын

Great video, my older (2007) sub is very similar to the bronze (lucky me I have both!) and both are a joy to wear and look at

@POSUEN 3 жыл бұрын

The significance of the shield is very interesting!

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Had never heard that before, wanted to share - makes sense.

@garyboyle695 2 жыл бұрын

@@Timeandtidewatches Never heard it before because it's marketing BS, Rolex is known for it, just like claiming things it didn't invent like the automatic movement or the Oyster Case.

@sepp540 3 жыл бұрын

Such a great video!! Great fun to watch!! Two fantastic timepieces! I would pick the Tudor…..

@craigrees7939 3 жыл бұрын

Great video 👍 Really like the BB 58 bronze. Always good to see a bit of adventure coming off!

@orismj 3 жыл бұрын

Love this one. Can’t wait for the next crisp bezel action.

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

#bezelturnersanonymous

@Super3xtr4 3 жыл бұрын

Why nothing about the quick adjust system?

@RandomRobReviews 3 жыл бұрын

He mentions at about 6:20

@Leftystrat 3 жыл бұрын

Good to see a fellow Aussie on KZfaq . Breathe of fresh air without the bs

@samuelchow3425 3 жыл бұрын

These are the exact two watches that I’m looking to buy. Thank you for doing this review.

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Random! Good luck 🤞🏻

@samuelchow3425 2 жыл бұрын

Update: luckily enough to pick up a 124060 at my AD (3 month wait with no purchase history!); still thinking about the BB58B though

@gwapogreg5837 Жыл бұрын

I have a Sub from new in 1986 and the new bronze Tudor.I love the Tudor but the bronze comes off on my arm if it's sweaty .

@Leftystrat 3 жыл бұрын

The 114060 ticks all the boxes. Big wrist the super case keeps the watch remarkably stable on the wrist unlike the earlier “elegant” thinner lug models but the bb looks the goods

@rudyelizondo1935 3 жыл бұрын

Great comparison of the two watches n detailed

@peterree30 Жыл бұрын

Now that you have owned it for a konger time, can you tell me if it leaves marks on your wrist and the wrist cuffs of your shirt?

@irawolf 3 жыл бұрын

Great explanation on shield protecting the crown. Would prefer to comparison with current Submariner though.

@jonbents9987 2 жыл бұрын

For me the explorer style dial on the Tudor was the selling point. I have a 43mm BBB with a slate gray dial and just adore it. It feels a little cleaner to me.

@christopheredwards6727 3 жыл бұрын

Money aside the Sub all day everyday.. but the new 2020 models for sure with the 70 hour power reserve and new case…. Rolex History & icon, as well as it will go up in value for the most part as time goes by..

@francescodurso3006 27 күн бұрын

Hi, Do you think the new model in bronze 2024 will rise the price in the long term although now it seems they have not had all the success that they deserve..

@silyaelek 3 жыл бұрын

I was there too. Should have bought one that night

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Did we meet?

@silyaelek 3 жыл бұрын

@@Timeandtidewatches I dont think we did. But I remember seeing you there. And I remember that exact quote about the shield to the crown. It gave me goosebumps for some reason

@NORDSTRAND83 3 жыл бұрын

You should do bezel ASMR. :D

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Don’t even. I will. But it ain’t always this pleasant! TY - Andrew

@MrKevflo Жыл бұрын

I've just bought one and had it on for 1 day in 29c and my wrist went a little green. It's not one for the hot weather.

@johnwalker3480 3 жыл бұрын

GJ, Nice Video

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Preciate 🙏🏻

@iangibson6871 3 жыл бұрын

Great video!! How do you keep your bronze watch clean?? Cheers

@frogautistic 5 ай бұрын

denture cleaning tablets

@darren6202 3 ай бұрын

@@frogautistic Is that the tooth?

@wolfjr1717 Жыл бұрын

Troubling to hear that the bracelet does not leave any marks on the skin. Will the bracelet patina at the same rate as the watch case? Or will I wind up with a green oxidized case and a shiny alloyed bronze-ish bracelet over time (yes, I will dive it in sea water!)?

@nickgarcia5799 11 ай бұрын

I want a t-fit clasp! Mine has 3 micro adjustments and I hate that!

@watchr0b Жыл бұрын

How’s the Tudor stacking up a year later? I’m a bit bipolar on mine. Sometimes I’ll wear it for a week straight. Sometimes I feel like it’s just too weird a watch and I want to be rid of it. No watch has ever brought this much drama to my collection before.

@edgardjulio7679 3 ай бұрын

Problem is the bronze...gets shady and loses shine quickly....

@tomm7354 2 жыл бұрын

Am I the only one who is wondering about the bronze corroding with sweat of the wrist until it develops green gunk?

@Timeandtidewatches 2 жыл бұрын

Nope. I'm wondering about that too. Summer in Aus will be interesting!

@patricknaswell2686 3 жыл бұрын

Get that man a towel! You are sweatin' these watches!

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

🥵

@jimlittle5769 3 жыл бұрын

Between those two, I choose neither. OMEGA Seamaster 300M, for me.

@impexRQ 3 жыл бұрын

Thinking the same 👌🏻

@davidofglenbrook4487 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I’d say the same thing too if I couldn’t afford any better…

@jimlittle5769 3 жыл бұрын

@@davidofglenbrook4487 yeah, Rolex fanboys always come up with that line. Very original. Thing is, I can and do, own watches that are pricier than either the Sub or the BB58 bronze. I just prefer the looks of the Seamaster 300M. Even though I have one Rolex (so obviously don't dislike the brand) not everyone drools over the Sub. There are few Rolex I like. I have one, I am looking to get one more (between two different models) and the plan ole Sub isn't one. Neither is a regular explorer. Stay classy...

@davidofglenbrook4487 3 жыл бұрын

@@jimlittle5769 You can put that Seamaster (once you can afford it…) right next to your nifty Invicta collection….

@mkyhou1160 3 жыл бұрын

If they took off the HEV wart, kiddish wave dial, and replaced the ugly bracelet, the 300M would be worthy of discussion.

@wataki_watcheswatakiwatche3160 2 жыл бұрын

What about a the 369 on dial. Big plus imho

@pensforgts 3 жыл бұрын

the correct name is c63000 aluminum bronze, we are the suppliers for the watch industry. however the tudors seems like machined from extureded rods unlike forged. forged is better

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Can you share more information on this process?

@pensforgts 3 жыл бұрын

@@Timeandtidewatches its all about giving the alloy its final shape and grain size. grain size determines the characteristics of the alloy. the smaller and tighter the grain size better quality and stronger final product. this can be obtained by forging. on the other side its a time and energy consuming process. extrusion are easier to produce and they dont have the fine grain sizes, this makes the alloy more prone to break. we prefer forged bronze and later machined by a good quality cnc. i am sure tudor got a very good cnc but i am not sure about the alloy. i need to see the specs. do they provide you with alloy specs with the watch? Bronze is a living alloy unlike steel, we all love some character on our watches. bronze is the chracter and fits dive watches as we all know all ships propelled with huge bronze propellers :)

@AK-pr2nk 3 жыл бұрын

Will that new Tudor clasp be available in steel ?

@lintonhawes1311 3 жыл бұрын

Love them both Beautiful watches

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, they’re both winners in their RRP category - not that the Sub goes for that very often these days 😉

@BY-jp7sg 3 жыл бұрын

The submariner is 2x the price of the bb58 bronze. But is it 2x the quality?? 😊

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

That would have been an excellent alternative headline 👏🏻

@uesugikaru 3 жыл бұрын

Wow that was a lengthy intro.

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Agree, I can ramble 😒

@vincentstephenson2397 Жыл бұрын

What are these 'chew-doors' you speak of? Nice watch mate ;)

@scottfulps2065 2 жыл бұрын

Quick question to viewers: Tudor BB58 in all bronze or the Tudor BB58 chrono panda?? I know they are totally different, but I can only choose 1.

@eahmhelmoa Жыл бұрын

As owner of both, panda for sure. The movement, look, complication...etc on different league

@scottfulps2065 Жыл бұрын

@@eahmhelmoa Thank you, Ahmed!

@rwratne 3 жыл бұрын

Where is Felix?

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Long gone bro, catch him up by searching OT Podcast

@metro2171 3 жыл бұрын

Great video , two lovely watches with great specks , give me the sub any day

@ThinkingAndInkingLtd 3 жыл бұрын

Chewdoor

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Straya

@BobbyDazzler888 3 жыл бұрын

The screws on an AP royal oak are functional. You cant compare them to the functionless rivets on a Tudor.

@DiegoUvence 3 жыл бұрын

They’re NOT functional.

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

They’re not even screws, they’re bolts with screwed on nuts holding them on from the back.

@BobbyDazzler888 3 жыл бұрын

@@Timeandtidewatches yes gotcha. Functional

@BobbyDazzler888 3 жыл бұрын

@@DiegoUvence functional

@irfanbaig87 Жыл бұрын

Only apologies for the video getting over

@alekseyyulchuraev1207 3 жыл бұрын

Noce reviewI did review on the black bay recently on my channel. After watching this video, thinking if I should make Submariner ones as well. What do you think?

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Sure why not, lots to dig into.

@abdulrahmanabdulaziz8742 2 жыл бұрын

So does that mean that Tudor is more accurate than Rolex for these two particular models?

@abdulrahmanabdulaziz8742 2 жыл бұрын

@Silver Fox Thanks for your respons.

@dinamiena6186 Жыл бұрын

Porsche vs Toyota

@mbingham10 3 жыл бұрын

I really rate the chew door also but it makes your wrist green in bronze material, Rolex is also lovely but expensive next to the chew door.

@leonardchevvy6414 3 жыл бұрын

both my damasko dc67 and GS diver bezels are way nicer than my tudor BB and rolex sub ones.....just sayin!!

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Challenge accepted!

@rolexmike 3 жыл бұрын

@leonard chevvy show me some pics of your watches? I wanna see it. Here are some of my watches : Instagram ogmike215

@PocketUau 3 жыл бұрын

8:00 what’s with the distorted text?

@japd7897 3 жыл бұрын

Submariner no date has the best dial layout ever.

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Pre-COSC ND even better!

@michaelriera6277 3 жыл бұрын

Tudor needs to be more thank the Black Bay. All we are seeing are variations of the same watch.

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Pelagos is a decent plan B?

@michaelriera6277 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, you are right.

@BobbyDazzler888 3 жыл бұрын

hey nice gold watch.... oh its bronze....

@celestialtoystore 3 жыл бұрын

The Rolex is not available to mere mortals and the Tudor is to a degree. Not really a comparison.

@sdiver68 3 жыл бұрын

Really? The Tudor is quite rare and only if you happen to have a Tudor boutique around.

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Nah not a comparison, it's half the price! But interesting nonetheless.

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry, way more than half the price, if you're talking what a Sub you can actually buy costs.

@celestialtoystore 3 жыл бұрын

@@sdiver68 try buying a Sub at retail from an AD. You will have better luck finding Bigfoot

@williamstalvey6920 3 жыл бұрын

Rolex Sub ...easy Choice

@jm-pj3ul 3 жыл бұрын

That bronze looks ugly when patina shows up after a month.

@skizzenmusic5025 Жыл бұрын

tudor

@JamesAlexander14 3 жыл бұрын

I’d go with the Tudor all the way. Far less pretentious than the Rolex.

@taehokang2551 3 жыл бұрын

What is the Rolex trying to be?

@josemiravite3289 3 жыл бұрын

You’re still buying a Rolex when you buy a Tudor lol

@Ti-sq8jm 3 жыл бұрын

@@taehokang2551 the watch that every low level drug dealer buys with their shoebox cash.

@taehokang2551 3 жыл бұрын

@@Ti-sq8jm That's their problem really. The brand is still more prestigious than Tudor and the likes of many other brands. (not talking abt haute horological brands tho)

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Hmm, I don't think Rolex watches are pretentious in themselves, it's a case of don't hate the player, hate the game!

@TheEzandy 3 жыл бұрын

If I can't get a "Sub-ma-reener", then I would love a "Tu-door"

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Whose accent is that? Sure ain't Aussie!

@TheEzandy 3 жыл бұрын

Check out the Monochrome watch review on last year's Sub.

@Anonymouslyme1 3 жыл бұрын

Tew-door!? Tudor

@0dyss3us51 3 жыл бұрын

Accents are not incorrect. They are exactly what they are. Accents. Don't be unessesarily rude.

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Going to copy and paste your reply for all the accent commenters, thank you.

@ueppemargot2446 2 жыл бұрын

Maaaa🤔 tutti che spingono a esaltare sto orologino qui,😳 ingrassano le prestazioni la qualità la efficenza ma🧐 per me già se lo si paga 1000€ per quello in bronzo e 1500€ in argento 🧐 è una fregatura 😣.a A quei costi puoi avere ROBBA seria orologi con calibri tosti vedi Oris 400 5 giorni di riserva di carica +5 -4 o Gran Seiko +1 -1 🤔+15 al mese 🧐ho panerai 8 giorni di riserva carica 😳 in somma spendete soldi su quello che vale non fatevi fregare da chi spinge per vendere 🧐 buona serata🤙

@sabani27 2 жыл бұрын

Me dealing with bronze regularly, I believe that Tudor really messed up with that time piece. Just wait and see how ugly it will turn out as time passes.

@mentalplane 3 жыл бұрын

The saddest part for Tudor is that they won't be allowed to make a better/nicer watch than Rolex even if they can.

@BobbyDazzler888 3 жыл бұрын

then buy Rolex. Cheer up.

@jimlittle5769 3 жыл бұрын

No, but they can make more interesting ones...

@Charles-vv3wh 3 жыл бұрын

My Pelagos is better then any of my Subs…

@jimlittle5769 3 жыл бұрын

@@Charles-vv3wh nice watch and very much a true divers watch. Good choice. I went with the Seamaster 300M myself.

@mjinzarli 3 жыл бұрын

Insane how overhyped Tudor is just because it's considered a close relative of Rolex. No doubt it's a great watch but too overhyped now

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Uh, it's a pretty fantastic spec for the money regardless of hype.

@BY-jp7sg 3 жыл бұрын

You have a point. But Rolex is a bigger culprit pricing their watches way above what it was 5 to 8 years back. A decade ago, a no date pre owned sub BnP all in could be purchased for maybe 5 to 6k USD. Now it’s nearly impossible to get one at that price. You’d have to be Ethan Hunt from Mission Impossible to get one from the AD itself 😂

@m.e.p.r 3 жыл бұрын

"Tudoor".....nope

@rumporridge1 3 жыл бұрын

Me needs me date cyclops mate.

@mattboubila4155 3 жыл бұрын

Too long.

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

Haha, gotcha, thanks anyway

@Guenounovitch 2 жыл бұрын

the patina is horrible to me

@brentmorgan8607 3 жыл бұрын

Shield and rose explanation?…. Who told you that bollocks? 🤣🤣🤣….. let’s forget the fact he called it Tudor, had a love for England and English history, lived in England and first formed Rolex as an English limited company, as well being an Anglophile…. Don’t let your Aussie prejudices over bare your history mate….. petty minded muppet

@johnscott4693 3 жыл бұрын

You compared the OLD Rolex vs the NEW Tudor …which you put your own money into! . Dreadful video for that reason alone. Like comparing an old Rolls Royce with a new (BMW engine) Bentley. You cant. They’re not “sisters”. One is a man the other is a child wanting to be a man.

@Ti-sq8jm 3 жыл бұрын

I have worn my bronze 58 24/7 for 3 weeks and my wrist is now grey on the inside of the wrist. Not the outside. The caseback is not bronze, I believe it’s pvc Coated steel, however, I have left the sticker on the case back just in case. Here’s an iCloud link to a photo of my grey wrist share.icloud.com/photos/0IhGF6Qz71RVsq2LlTOypGvow

@Ti-sq8jm 3 жыл бұрын

“Slightly frightened” 😂😂 keep up the great videos buddy

@gmshadowtraders 3 жыл бұрын

Only WINNERS get to wear ROWLECKS

@Timeandtidewatches 3 жыл бұрын

WINNERS WEAR CHEWDA TOO M8!

@francescodurso3006 27 күн бұрын

Hi, Do you think the new model in bronze 2024 will rise the price in the long term although now it seems they have not had all the success that they deserve..

@ueppemargot2446 2 жыл бұрын