The worst part of cheating is how it fucks everyone else over. Once you're caught obviously your team is disqualified, but then every team you beat (unfairly) is already eliminated with no chance of redemption. They don't have time in these tight qualifiers to reschedule, redo and re-seed a bunch of matches. If you lost to a cheater, well it just sucks to be you.

I was the head of CEVO anti-cheat for the first 2 years of its existence. I've watched thousands of hours of demos. What gives him away is reloading his gun while in common spam spots because subconsciously he can see they aren't about to try to spam though a smoke. Like when he reloaded on coffins. You would hide until you are done reloading.

He does a great job hiding it. Most (but not all) of the plays are things you would reasonably do when familiar with the game. It's just the consistent 100% success rate that makes it sus, there's never a false read or mistake

Hey, sometimes your opponent is just having a really good day

It's understandable how some people are defending him. He is really good at hiding it, the reason being he does have some high level of game sense and aim. However, anyone who is decent at the game will know that the way he plays is unnatural and most likely cheating.

The Clara edit 😂😂😂

The thing that makes this even better is that he was playing with 4TAYLOR, the most notorious stream sniper in NA and I believe this is now his 2nd/3rd team mate to get banned for cheating.

The thing that sucks the most about this is the fact that he WAS cheating and it’s so hard to tell, which means that if there were people even better at hiding it, there could be cheaters in professional cs, which would be devastating

I'm surprised they don't have eye trackers at tournaments like this. You'd see someones eyes flicking over to someone they shouldn't be able to see. You could train yourself to not look directly and use your peripheral vision but it just adds another layer of protection and makes it easier to slip up.

No problem man, glad I could help. If anyone is interested, I recorded the whole demo from his POV, on my channel.

I must say the peek at 3:48 was the most blatant, the fact that it’s such a specific corner to check and also the insane speed between spotting him and shooting. (obvious prefire)

The ‘most obvious part’ at 6:05 looks like something Glaive used to do 6 times a map

Some people are cheating for years and they know how not to get banned. I played with a guy like 2 years ago and he said that ever since 2015 he is cheating in the game. He had nice 4-5k inventory and more than 1k mm wins. I always report players that are weird just in case.

I think the thing that is most suspicious is how confident he plays when he knows there aren't enemies around. When hes trying to hide his walls/vision assistance to get a kill, he will clear every corner, jiggle peak and then get the kill. But when hes not around anybody, even in situations where there could be enemies very close, he doesn't bother doing the same routine. Its only when he gets near to the opposing team where he starts doing it again.

The smoke part in 5:58 , could even happen if you get this smoke bug when you can see their shadow after you throw a molly or a grenade in or near a smoke. but still, there are no players in major qualifiers that they peek weird/run and gun without clearing several angles in a 1vX

It's also way easier to hide it on B site and Banana on Inferno since their usually one point of contact for the T's and CT's. If he played on A site it would've been weird how the only times he looked at Balcony was when a T was there.

7:30 i love the BM at the end, emptying the whole clip into his body like they noticed he is bullshit, but yeah this must be (with the smoke clip) the most obvious as a spectator at least.

He isn’t even totally clearing corners. He keeps half assing and walks right when he knows someone is there. His sprays through smokes are easily his biggest giveaway. He is only spraying one part and when he knows someone isn’t there he sprays for a fraction of the time.

Just imagine how many times he has to remind himself to not shoot through smokes or track through walls when you are constantly seeing full body outlines 😂 I would go nuts dawg !!

It's amazing how much shit the Indian comp scene got because of forsaken, but other nations only get temporary team bans or something not that major, every other cheating video starts with forsaken's video. Crazy

This makes you realize just how many people are cheating like this in MM

I think the reason it’s so hard to detect is that he probably has a toggle that he’s using to play mostly without walls but checks it every once in a while. Just a guess though

For the Molotov the suspicious part wasn’t where he threw it, it’s that he waited so long to throw it after having seen the guy behind the smoke before.

Is there any more detail over how exactly he got caught? it seems we are not super clear on whether it was wall hacks or what?

For a while it was a close match even with his cheats. Without it would prob be easy for the enemy team. He slips up and makes some moes that look blatant. cos he is determined to win. If someone was using them to get an edge, but also will to just lose to not give away the fact they are cheating. then it would be much harder to detect or suspect.

He also has recoil control, you can tell his crosshair does the perfect spray control pattern every time.

I've played CS since a kid in 1.3. I'm no pro but was LEM back in the day and did amateur competitive for spell. Thousands of hours. At this point you know intuitively pretty well whether you're getting owned because you're being outplayed or you're being owned because someone is cheating.

3:21 "he hasnt checked this up until this pt" bruh its rifles vs pistols and its a v common 57/mag/cz spot

It is possible that for the clip at 6:20 the molly caused a smoke bug which allowed him to see the enemies. I know he was caught cheating so in this instance its not a case of a smoke bug but IF this was an overwatch case i would always give the person the benefit of the doubt in situations where a molly/HE grenade is behind a smoke as smoke bugs are insanely common, i myself got a smoke bug which allowed me to instantly HS 3 people behind the smoke, got called a cheater by the enemies so decided to rewatch the demo to see if any potential overwatch viewer would be able to see what i saw and the smoke bug did not happen in the demo. Made me look like a clear cheater.

This video is a lot better than the last one. The fact that Tibaw is talking about how the play could have been legit, and how it's more likely to be cheats. More clips that are suspicious, and more blatant cheating than the last demo he watched. He also gives more info about the game like "he usually doesn't check this spot" so a normal banana clear is isn't as innocent as you think.

Give them an eye tracker done and done. But if we're able to spot them without it, then no point, but it's still cool to see what a pro player is looking at while playing.

My giveaway is that he intentionally never looked directly into smokes, he always avoided moving his crosshair over the people in smokes

I have read somewhere on twitter that his custom cheat was made exclusively for FaceIT and ESEA and not for this a/c that was running on this tournament.

The sad part is that you can tell this guy is actually fairly decent at the game in terms of game sense. Takes a lot of knowledge and game sense to hide his cheats as well as he did and to make his kills look as natural as possible.

1:00 It wasn't the first time he checked middle. Since he's the one behind the whole team, this is pretty common 1:18 common pre-fire spot 1:27 he already had the info on that guy, since he was trading bullets with his team mate and the list goes on, but I would like to highlight one more moment: 5:57 he was waiting for the fist smoke to dissipate. As soon as it did, he threw the molotov and start spamming, just in case someone was hiding there and possibly be prepared to take out the molly with a smoke or start running from the flames. I tend to do something similar on Mirage whenever I'm playing CT on B site: as soon as the round starts, I rush to throw a molotov at the kitchen and start spamming the wooden window. But back to Inferno, that spot is very useful for the Ts to take out the coffin player, while keeping yourself somewhat in a safe area out of the CT base players line of sight. I've even seen some lineups that allows the Ts to get a headshot on the coffin player through a smoke there. These plays are fairly common. The second kill that he got, though, was definitely vision assisted. There were many moments that gave out the fact that he was cheating, mainly regarding his movement and reloading, as it was said before on this comments section. I just hope that when the next Chaos EC appears doing blatantly assisted plays, people do a in-depth investigation like they did here instead of saying "welp, the anti-cheat didn't got anything, so since it's absolutely impossible to bypass it, they are 100% legit". MiBR was a really bad team back then, but man, the tracking on Fer on dust2 long through wall and the attempt to get a obvious impossible wallbang at overpass was disgusting. It baffles me how at the time, most of the youtubers purposely avoided talking about the clips that were in fact suspicious, and instead just talked about clips that showed nothing.

the molotov clip is explainable: throwing a molly/nade behind a smoke shows a silhouette of the person behind the smoke. had done it to/from many times in tournaments 🤷‍♀️

Being this good at hiding your cheating is a skill in and of itself

Based moments. Looks like a guardian elite trying to blame big star in cheating. All moments could be explained.

i like how the name says bell on the scoreboard as a way to anonymize the name, but at the end of the game, at the very bottom, it still shows the name not anonymized, and so you can see the name missing is Pawt

Judges - "we saw the third party program on his pc" KZfaq- "nah man hes legit"

I like how seriously you take this topic, and the amount of professionalism you had while breaking down each play. You talked about the player like they are a criminal, and if you talk to anyone who has a few thousand LEGIT gameplay hours, we all talk about “them” the same way. Their sociopathic behavior needs to be noticed and brought into the air, and ultimately banned. For the sake of the community.

That Molly he threw looks a lot like a smoke glitch tho..

I love that scene in Casino when DeNiro catches the 2 cheaters... Ah the good ole days when you could take care of the problem yourself.

Lamo, thought pic of the dude was the CHUD soyjack in the thumb. It's actually him. The memes photoshop themselves. Although it is hard to tell in most of these without context and team callouts. I've heard someone 30s before and been able to guess where the other guy had to be based on the game context and map layout. His natural reactions seem a bit slow but so do mine. But a couple clips look very very sus. I still don't get how there aren't screen recorders on every pro to detect map and visual cheats.

Wooo in game footage!

Hiding hacks is hard. It takes considerable amount of skill to be able to do it. I gotta admit i have cheated before. When i was just starting cs in 2015. You gotta die intentionally, if you check a corner because someone is there now you gotta check it in the following rounds etc. I think the most important reason i never got cought is that as soon as the enemy got close and i knew their position already i turned wall hacks of and only relied on radar. You can unintentionally look at someone through the wall and that really gives you away. Radar alone gives you more than enough advantage while being less suspicious. Not to say you can't look suspicious you still need to sometimes look at the wrong directions and stuff but its definitely harder to get cought. I got so good at knowing when can i actually look somewhere because of clues as to where would they rotate or come from that I've developed game sense that i went on to use without hacks. I unintentionally got gud without hacks thanks to using hacks.

The main way to identify cheaters is through awarness as mentioned here multiple times. It's highly unlikely that a player can know the best time to flank so many times, be able to peek off angles you usually wouldn't peek like that and win consistently and of course not check corners you would usually always check. This is something that is the most obvious even when the cheater in question is able to hide the cheats very well. From what I could see he had a few slip ups here regarding his awarness might not have been enough to convict tho but it's something you can look out for when viewing overwatch cases if something feels off that's usually because there is.

The "hey wtf?! claira" really gets me 😂

the impeccable flanks and timings are one of the most underrated telltale signs of a cheater. Would love to see more of this kind of videos.

and there will STILL be people who say he's not cheating. CSGO's playerbase has the worst case of "battered wife" syndrome i've ever seen in any game. They KNOW there are cheaters and smurfs, they KNOW its a problem but they adamantly REFUSE to acknowledge it and become hostile any time anyone brings it up.

that second clips is all I needed to see! pretracking through smoke and half wall 2:45 if he was higher level, why keep looking at CT with a friendly pushing and actively looking for engagement 2:54 you can see after his spray he was pulling hard to the left like he wanted to try and clear cubby but was surprised by the peek from boiler side instead so he "shook it off" when you were comparing this to forsaken, this guy has the "cod streamer" issue where he knows exactly where and how to clear every angle, and movement doesn't match the aim either 4:09 you know his team mate was shot at by minimum of 2 people on moto, and you know he will call that, so why keep tracking down car? even during the clutch he keeps flicking towards car for no reason even while hearing the awp jump up onto midsite boxes 5:17 yea that movement doesn't match the aim, he doesn't have the experience to make the bot work for him, so instead it just makes him look more suspect by wide swinging most everything 5:33 smallest things are the biggest, if he already has aim on the guys hip/stomach why snap upwards towards center chest, that's more effort than its worth and risks the kill 6:16 agreeing with you on that, reminds me of forsaken when enemies wouldn't peek so he'd just rip their heads off through their cover 7:03 just hold D and swipe it left, let the bot do all the work for you, tap couch a few times to increase "legit factor" 7:34 cod streamer syndrome again

@ 3:20 you can see he is afraid to stare at the CT through the wall. Thing is, anyone clearing that last angle properly *would* be staring right at that corner and swinging fast, not sloppily walking past it and then flicking on the CT. It’s something you’d either see from a noob or someone trying to cover up cheats.

There are things that are explainable but others that are not, for example its perfectly fine to throw a molotov to clear a corner and then spam a smoke to try and catch someone running away but he takes it next level with the timing and then kills a second player randomly which makes it blatant hes cheating.

I hate it that valve don't try to do anything about cheating like make anti cheat better because I keep running into a lot of cheaters

lmao his smoke sprays are so blatant, he follows them as they move through it

Man if he really was cheating, then damn, he is good at hiding. Cuz to me he seems completely legit.

What the worst part about this is that we haven’t had a cheater in a high tier Csgo tournament for quite a few years now, so I guess it was time we were given another. Edit: when I say “high tier”, I don’t mean it’s like the finals of a tier 1 tournament, I mean it’s not some random matchmaking or faceit game.

I just wanna point out that the clip at 1:17 on its own is not suspicious at all, he just adjusted his crosshair for a common pre.

Bell is in pub servers a lot and we have him muted/banned where we can. It's a thing and there's a handful of them that routinely cheat.

Honestly, it's very hard to tell if he is cheating or not based on the gameplay footage. He is very good at hiding it, that's for sure. From what I've read in the comments, he was most likely using some sort of radar hack, probably even with bind key. Also, those 2 kills through the smoke could have easily been the molly smoke bug. The one deag in banana could have been a lineup and lucky timing. What might be a little sus is that he seems to play around the knowledge of where the enemy is (he doesn't check other corners, or checks specifically the corners where the enemy is, etc.)

Shroud used a DMA device or Kernal cheats communicating directly through his mouse, same as many pros. Impossible to detect, especially kernal cheats are plug and play u can go to every tournament with it. He never was that good. Type in Shroud DMA on YT u get 40 mins of clear evidence. Thats the reason why he quited, because of his skill gap compared to the pro scene combined with a risk getting caught sooner or later and destroy his career. CS made him famous and got him a solid income. His whole career based on cheating in CSGO. Wake up kids.

word first one i found start watchign these thanks man

always love when the zeus does 98dmg

I have over 2500 hours in cs:go I couldn't tell that he is cheating by just watching him. That makes me think about how many cheaters there actually might be on faceit/mm where I thought they are legit and just better than me.

he was prolly using a radar hack by the looks of it, since they are hard to detect by anticheats and gives a great advantage thx to seeing all people (enemy and teammate) permanently on his radar. Could also have little bit of backtrack on but thats not sure (simply said: allows you to hit your enemes at a certain point back in time like 50ms for example, or shoot at an older tick on the server) I'd guess no aim assist aswell his crosshair placement looks decent to good when checking angles etc If I'd seen this as an Overwatch case I would've prolly ticked "visual assisntance only" since thats rather obvious at some points, his timings were just to perfect I cheated as a small kid in cs and other games, turned legit when I grew older, I know tons of stuff about cheats for cs cant explain them to well tho since a lack of vocabulary

i love when they turn for a flash before the sound cue 🤣

OG ev0lve V3 framework on your thumbnail 😎

His crosshair placement tells a lot. He leaves the crosshair in bad spots on purpose as if he's waiting for a good opportunity to pretend that he's surprised. It happens too often. Probably because having a crosshair in the natural spot would make it too obvious. the 6:50 clip is the best tell. Who leaves the crosshair there THEN snaps to the right place? not a Major-capable player.

Crazy thing is lately I've been getting in games with cheaters quite a bit. I watch the demo and confirm it. Not sure if I've been put into a low trust factor or what. 6k hours 12kmvps never cheated. I wish valve could do something about it.

7:00 he snaps on to the last guy as he finishes his spray and starts reloading ... that was very very interesting as well.

It's amazing how fast the simps will run to the cheaters defense.

Im not usually comment type guy. But when it comes to cheating, its a huge and hard problem. Thank you very much! You've done a great job mate!

There's a player, droid, who plays for timberman and still has a ban from faceit for "cheating." The team is playing at the rmr qualifier. It might have been a false ban though. Update: after 2 years he's finally unbanned. Update 2: Banned again lol

That smoke 2k part on B and 1v2 retake from short sold it all

You watch any CS pro and you can make a montage where you could swear they were cheating. That's one of those things you pick up when you play thousands of hours in a game, you have great game sense and you know where people are likely going to be. Now I am not saying this guy didn't cheat, he probably did as you don't get vac banned for no reason. I will say though that a decent size portion of the clips don't really make me think "massive cheater". He gets picked often enough and there's times where he isn't aiming anywhere close to the person until I can physically see them on the screen. A lot of these "look at him shoot through smoke" like yeah odds are when you see smoke someone is in it otherwise they wouldn't have smoked it, and when he shoots in it most of the time he waits for it to dissipate and you can see the other team.

They should make it like players need to sign a contract before participating in a tournament which allows the organization to sue the players if they are caught cheating. This way they will not only get banned but get legal actions against them. I think this way many people will not get the balls to cheat in tournaments.

good old Clara :D

That banana rush where he was sandbags; they mow down 4 of 5 guys, so obviously it's a rush, and when he ducks into sandbags and peeks back out, he kinda just half swings out? I would at least peek out and prefire the angle, since you know it's a rush, but he just does a weird swing kinda without a real plan behind it. At least that's what it looks like.

Omg the fact that forsaken was all the way back in 2018 I'd making me feel senile

Been faceit lvl 10 for a few years when i was playing the game, its really hard to see if someone starts cheating after getting really good at the game, what i saw was some lucky sprays and prefires, those happen. So those could happen in a normal game, the only way to check for cheats is to run the computer down. What i am saying there is no way to check if someone is hacking by looking at the gameplay.

I KNOW that having no skins isn't supposed to be a tell. But in reality it is, EVERY player has SOME form of skins. In-game drops, cases opened SOMETHING to that effect. No one just has DEFAULT skins at THIS LEVEL in a major RMR. MM/ESEA open sure, newer players I get it. In a RMR for a MAJOR, you've got some TIME put into the game, and have accumulated some skins. No one just picks up CS:GO and is a absolute unit. There are some cases of anomalies like m0nsey, and such I understand that too.

"Hey, sometimes your opponent is just having a good day."

This is the reason i stop playing pro level back then. The more you climb the more you experience cheating. So many weird shit happened even during livestreaming of the best team.

An above average csgo player can see that hes balantly using wh idu how you guys say that hes good at hiding XD he even aims through the walls and doesnt clear any corners goes straigt to the enemies in clutch situations wtf

How was he actually caught? Was it lan and they checked the PC?

Well, this game shows that there is an Aim assistance method that takes your crosshair position, calculates how far away the reticle is from a target, and when you shoot, uses a combination of aim lock (with some resistance on a vector to make it look like your positioning your mouse onto the target), and Silent aim to make the first few bullets hit but still display the movement towards the target with that resistance added. It makes it look like you are "just aiming" towards the target with human like mouse movements, but masks the fact youre using Silent Aim to land a few shots that "could just be Due to RNG".

Most of it is the same thing like shroud. It's lore of an "info gathering lock" you quickly lock onto someone then wiggle mouse to make look like lifting you're mouse or resetting aim . You have it bound on like weapon switch or on ur utility after u throw it. Karma 2 has a great set of videos on it . Highly recommend. Just a warning ⚠️ you will never look at this games pro scene the same again . Once you know what to look for you will be able to see it immediately in pro games

I've got a few thousand hours and frankly there's NO WAY he isn't cheating. If I got this as an overwatch I would 100% give it a "beyond a reasonable doubt" for wall hacks. I understand that most of us have "crazy gamesense" moments playing CSGO and will sometimes hit a shot through a smoke or through a wall when you didn't know anybody was there. But those are like once every few games AT BEST. If you do it every other round in a game that's beyond insane.

A lot of people refuse to believe a portion of the csgo community is cheating. If im playing matchmaking and we are up 6-0 and they call a pause and 4 people on the other team disconnect and reconnect and suddenly hit all their shots and molleys somehow my teammates just think im bad and they arnt cheating.

The most overlooked thing is how he doesn't counterstrafe ever, unless there's an enemy there.

It's full of them! For the ones that keep advocating for "you're mental/paranoid/bad/skill issue" you're dragging the industry down as much as the cheaters!

First off, the people defending him have a screw loose because he was was literally confirmed to be using cheats by GamersClub admins in the middle of a game on stream. From what i heard, the guy had cheats that are undetectable by FaceIt and ESEA. And he assumed GC anticheat wouldn't detect it. And their anticheat caught him. Hes also still playing ESEA and FaceIt without any consequences at all by the way

I'll be honest, the 'ultra suspicious' moment wasn't that bad. He threw a molly first, and that can easily cause a smoke glitch to occur where you see enemies through smokes. The only thing I'm a little concerned about is some of the plays he makes i.e. the 1v2, but that's still not enough for me to confidently call cheats.

lmao TimeIsButaWindow "I know what ur thinking; no way hes cheating" as im literally asking myself how this blatant shit goes completely unnoticed

Until tournaments standardize peripherals by giving everyone the same mouse and keyboard or atleast providing new ones straight from the manufacturer, Pros bringing their own gear will always be a pandoras box for cheats.

honestly, just by these clips you can tell nothing about this guy cheating or not

he moves just like another 1k account nova 3 with hacks, jajaja I mean not sure some of the highest scenes were not cheating...

One of my biggest fears is, that somebody mentioned it, that there might be people who are way better at cheating and not giving it away. Especially the young prodigies.

Banned for hacking, can’t argue with that. but at 6:00, there is a glitch you can recreate by throwing molotov behind smoke, which create glitching so you can see enemy. it’s learnable and repeatable consistantly.

Holy crap, I would have no idea he was as cheating, very clean at hiding it for the most part