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I reckon the major/Ionian is the absolute key to it all.

@@TheDanification So say we all! ;)

Does anyone really think here comes a Dminor, I should play Dorian and it is leading to a G, I need to switch to my Olympian, what a waste of mental energy, stick with the chords and the melody and yo will be just fine, Modes are BS,

@@waynehicks1969 It's not so much like that. The modes are more like "scale perspectives" that happen during "harmonic events". Yeah you can just improvise in the key that your in, but then you probably won't be considering the chord tones of the chord at the moment. Playing in the modes is kind of like "playing in a different key", only you're still in the same key, but considering everything in a different way. Hopefully, during practice, you won't just be "thinking about" all of this, but also hearing it too. THEN, hopefully, when you're actually performing your ears and hands will respond to all of this muscle memory you've built up. The modes aren't so much a conscious choice, more like in the "peripheral of your thoughts". Does that make sense? Modes are supposed to be "under the hood". Of course, if you can just play and sound awesome all the time, then who needs practice at all, just play! But it's obvious that modes are useful when a guy like Guthrie Govan is endorsing their use in practice routines.

I would like to enjoy anything as much as he seems to enjoy playing.

I was thinking the same thing.

edit: i need to learn the modes....

Completely accurate, yes. It's literally just one scale for all the modes; it's just a matter of placement. E phrygian is A minor over E , E mixolydian is F sharp minor over E, E lydian is A flat minor over E.....and so on.

@@yragnellaable guys, tht is a total misunderstanding of how modes are used. Tim's explanation is also wrong.

@@louiscyfer6944 Do you mean "used musically"? Then I suppose you're right. Otherwise they're completely right. They're parallel modes, just like C Major and A Minor are parallel, which means they're the same notes, just a different reference (bass) note. Of course the use for a C major, A minor or G mixolydian scale is very different, still its the same notes.

@@NormenHansen yes, musically..

@@louiscyfer6944 But musically the meaning of your C Major scale changes when you play an A Minor chord below. It's both right, just looked at from different angles.

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That's exactly how I look at them too, because that's how they sound. If I think of them in their actual key it confuses me because that's not how they sound. He alludes to that when he says that G mixolydian is just really G blues. I look at things basically three ways, pure minor with no major 3, 6, or 7 notes, pure major, with no minor 3, 6, or 7, and dominant/blues, where everything works except the minor 6, and you can use the minor and major 3, and the minor and major 7, with the major 7 over the 5 chord only, because it's the 3 of the 5 chord. But, you can't use the minor 6 in blues, unless it's a minor blues, where it's the 3 of the 4 chord. Like he says when talking about blues, you can use major and minor pentatonic of the root in a major blues over all the chords, and you can also use the major pentatonic of the 4 chord over that chord, and the major and minor pentatonic of the 5 chord over that chord. Because I have limited chops, I play over the chords a lot to give me more melodic possibilities, and you can use a major pentatonic of the chord over any major chord, and a minor pentatonic of a minor chord over that chord, which is basically what Tim is doing here, just changing scales with the chords and playing over the chords.

Thanks I'll check it out!

Saw a great video recently using that very song, that very example

@@kidglove14 WOW, great!! Would you put the link here please? Love to see that. I've watch a Dave Brewster lesson on Alex's style but he didnt mention Between the Wheels (nice lesson btw).

@@glaucosouza1971 You bet bud! Go to the 14:43 mark for discussion on 3rds and Rush "floatiness". Michael Palmisano attempts to learn it live: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/naucq5V9lqjFnXk.html

Also, brief mention of it at 9 min mark and then at 22:10 when he's breaking down solo

Thanks. BTW the Ionian is the major scale.

You da real MVP. 😜

I guessed as much

Thank you

Not getting why the Aeolian is considered to be essentially the same scale. I see the meaning (and I use relative major / minor all the time) but the same applies to all the modes. Or am I missing something 🤔

Ah got it, it's in the masterclass. Definitely getting it.

In the UK graded guitar exams this is grade 5 ( there are 8 ) try learning the CADGED system chord shapes then in each shape learn the C major scale shape in each chord shape. Know your major scale shapes then you will find the modes a little easier. Any problems message me. Good luck. ::)

@@maxmilligan8734 Are the graded exams part of Pierce’s course? I’m also a little confused as to what you mean by caged shapes? I know the caged theory. Do you mean the 5 shapes of the pentatonic? Wouldn’t knowing the major scale give me only the Ionian mode? Thanks.

@@pergolafish Hi, no here in the UK we have graded exams through the London College of Music and learning the major scale in 5 positions inside the the C A G E D chord shapes is at Grade 5 level ( in schools that's A level Music ) So if you can play the major pentatonic in the shapes of the CAGED that's great as you only need to add the remaining scale notes to get the full major scale. So say you play the A shape bar chord of C at the 3rd fret and you know C major pentatonic in that position you are playing C D E G A in your pentatonic scale. Just add the missing notes F and B and you'll get the full major scale. You won't be "just" learning the Ionian mode as all the other modes live in that scale shape. From C to C is as you say C Ionian, D to D gives you the D dorian mode, F to F gives you F lydian, G to G, G mixolydian etc. The confusion i find with all students is where to use them. You need to study the harmonised major scale for that. Know what chords live in a key. In C major you have C Dm Em F G Am Bdim , I II III IV V Vi VII chords in the key. So for instance take "Uptown Funk", it's basically Dm to G ( Dm7 G7 ) although people would say it's in D minor that's ok but in theory it's the II to V in C ( Dm to G ). If I jam with D minor scale ( relative of F major ) D E F G A Bb C D I will get some notes that sound poo poo but if I recognised Dm and G is a II V in C I can jam in C major but as my key chord at the start is D ( Dm) think of C major scale starting on D ( D Dorian ) It's a great choice for a static minor chord (Dorian ). Check out a tune like "So What" Miles Davis jam along to a version by say "Candy Dulfer" nice and funky not too heavy into jazz. Goes from Dm7 ( one chord groove) to up a semi tone Ebm7 , when it goes to Ebm7 just take your ( D Dorian ) scale shape up a fret and hear the mode working over an Ebm7. Then listen to Larry Carlton burn over those 2 chords Live at The Baked Potato in LA to hear what's possible (or impossible :D) Sorry for the long answer. Keep studying . Max

@@maxmilligan8734 Thanks! I get most of that and what I do get makes sense. I am almost at the point to get it all. Basically, since each mode is an octave sequence starting at a different white key on a keyboard, knowing the major scale in a given position and starting it on different notes allows you to jam in any key from that position (?).

@@pergolafish Thanks. :) A 12 bar blues is great to practice your modes. If you chose a blues in G the first chord say could be G7 or G9. You can play the G blues scale over the whole thing but you can create more options using modes. If you play G major scale over a G7 it will sound a bit off but if you know that G7 is the V (5) chord in C major you can play the C major scale but start on G and you will hear G mixolydian G,A,B,C,D,E,F,G the mode for dominant chords. However when the sequence changes to C7 you change to C mixolydian and for D7 play D mixolydian.

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They probably heard it being done in music they listened to especially as they listened to blues, jazz, latin (esp. Santana of course).

that's funny. mixolydian and lydian can be related too. G mixolydian becomes F lydian if the root is transferred to F.