that’s a really good way to put it

lol Jack wasnt likable at all. he lied to his friend, was a thief, the relationship with rose wasnt authentic, no indication he was even from the UK, we know that he wasnt but why is jack American to begin with?

Exactly. I feel like most people don’t realize this. Jack’s death was pivotal for the film.

Yeah, yeah, everyone loves Jack… but that’s only because they haven’t seen his shady side. Like, how every time he plays poker, he cheats. “Just a friendly game of cards” with good ol’ Jack cost my Grandfather Sven and his friend Olaf their tickets to America. They got stuck In Southampton for a year, arguably a fate worse than death.

All that talk of Titanic and you never let it in . . . NOW, YOU GET IT!!!!

Well said

I would like to think that I would sacrifice myself for the woman I love more than anything, my beautiful beloved Alina.

Exactly. In real life Astor really put his wife on the boat. He really wanted to make sure she was okay even if it was a drill. Flat out. Him and their dog died.

Another thing they didn't take into account was not only was the water warmer in this experiment, but the air temp was way warmer. So yeah his temps were pretty good when he kept his torso above water, but only because the air in that room was infinitely warmer than where the titanic sunk

It was freezing cold rose should have died of hypothermia long before they found her but she got lucky

It's the little attention to detail that made Titanic stand out from the other film productions in 1997-98, but also the 90s and beyond in general. Cameron even invited etiquette people on set to teach the cast how people in 1912 would eat in 1st class.

That would be a super unique and fascinating take on the story for sure

This is an amazing idea. We don't need remakes or retellings... let us have a different POV. We could only dream, though. It won't happen, sadly.

carpathia almost ran into an iceberg too, but luckily spotted it on time. rostron later said how it felt like there was another hand guiding him.

Yes but not a movie a ten part HBO TV series with a big-screen budget.

Me lol

Me too 😢

🥲🥲 meee

They didn’t go missing, they died from implosion 90 minutes after being in the water

It popped up in my feed lol

Indeed. Pure science.

Credit to Cameron's professionality.

if you also rewatch the movie, Rose was shivering and Jack really wasn't, which further supports the re-enactment where shivering would have helped you live longer.

@@davidkraft314 Jack is shivering at one point though, but later when he and Rose were already in the water for some time.

I would probably believe him that if he somehow gets proven wrong he would probably remaster the movie and add new scenes just to make them accurate

Of course! It fascinates Cameron this whole discussion. This is also why he left the ending open, rather than make a solid conclusion.

Just as many are just as sick of it too. Just saying. It's a great movie, but it's getting old

People are so interested they die trying to see it

@@EdsterIIIExactly.

The TITANIC sank in 1912, thats over 100 YEARS later

The Titan implosion may deserve a movie of its own.

What journal are the results published in?

Are you naturally slow or is it willful? None of this is published, ideot, Jack didnt exist. We are hypothesizing over things that didnt happen. THE DOOR PEICE IN THAT SHAPE/SIZE DID NOT EXIST. .@@halfsourlizard9319

@maytalacedo20 Last time I checked you aren't suppose to nudge a "science test" in the direction you'd like to see it go....that's exactly what James Cameron is doing

How did they "do him wrong"? They ran the test and found out that it was plausible Jack could have lived. It's that simple.

I agree. And I would say panic, too. The experiment's environment was relaxed compared to what Jack & Rose went through the entire time the ship sank.

And what was the AIR temperature in the test room VS the night she sank. Cold air and evaporation would be much worse to survive.

Excuse! Excuse! From people saying this cause they want Jack to survive so badly. Like James said their only mistake in the movie was not making that door smaller in order for people to see that Jack must die.

Exactly, air temperature. I'm surprised they didn't mention it here. If the water was 28 degrees fahrenheit, the air was either around the same or, more likely, colder, out there in the middle of the arctic, Atlantic Ocean. Plus, at the point of the ship having gone down for good, both of em had been in wet clothes, in and out of water for about 2 hours. It's a miracle Rose made it. Jack wouldn't have survived.

Completely agree with this point...

Her comment around 29:00 about the wool coat keeping her warm makes me think they kept the ambient air temperature accurate to the night of the sinking as well. The ocean was glassy smooth that night (thus the iceberg being missed, because no waves were breaking around its base), indicating that wind speeds were low as well. I think the differences between this experiment and “reality” (as much as you can call it reality when the characters they’re mimicking are fictional) are pretty negligible.

But we see Jim and the test team hanging out in shirts and sweaters with rolled up sleeves, charting casually, no visible breath when talking. I don't think the room temperature was accurate to what it was like in the dead of the night in the middle of the arctic, Atlantic Ocean.

also we are commiting the fallacy of thinking they were fully rational. I barely trust my decision making from my bed, imagine being panicked and suffering from thermal shock

100 percent. Well said.

Yes, exactly. This is something that so many people don’t understand. Of course Jack didn’t survive, that would’ve given a movie about a real life tragedy a happy ending. The movie makes it so we get attached to the characters and lose one just like how in real life people lost their loved ones. It put into perspective what it was like losing someone on that ship

That's such an obvious connection and yet it's one I never made. Maybe it's because of my emotional attachment to the film that I never stopped to try to look any deeper, but also maybe it speaks to the impact the film has in its realism and the connection it's able to create between the audience and the characters. The idea that the obsession with the door comes from wanting to undo the trauma experienced from that scene makes a lot of sense. I feel like because we as the audience know it's a real event, and because the film was excecuted so authentically, that unlike other films that have traumatic events but are completely fictional, Titanic is experienced in a much more vivid way. We truly do experience a real iota of what it was like to live that horrible event, and to lose someone in it, and it's impactful enough that Jack's death has stuck with us for 25 years.

Exactly. People can argue and and down the wall about the raft but at the end of the day if Jack lived and it was a happy ending it would’ve been a disservice to how tragic the event actually was for real people who lost loved ones

Yup

Right, and it was a good way to end the movie considering it’s based on a real life tragedy. Giving it a happy ending wouldn’t have made much sense. The movie allows us to get attached to characters and lose one just like how people lost their loved ones in real life. It made it so much more emotional because it put it all into perspective

What James Cameron did is put everybody who was watching the film towards that ending, in the mindset of every husband and wife who were on that ship. You have to remember that a lot of the husbands purposely and willingly stayed on the ship as their wives and children were loaded aboard the life rafts. Knowing that they were going to die, but that their deaths would allow more women and children to survive. A definite sign of the times, when marriage meant till death, do we part. So Jack and Rose were simply meant as symbols for the husbands and wives, who mostly went through the same thing. Maybe in different ways, but I’m sure there were many that very closely resembled what the movie showed. Which would’ve been even more harrowing, with everybody else swimming around you trying to survive. Not only the motion of the waves that they were creating, but I’m sure many would have tried to get on anything they could have to get out of that water. Regardless, if somebody else was on it or not. Just due to the sheer pain they must’ve been in being in that water. As Mr. Cameron said… Unless Jack would have understood, not only physics, but hyperthermia… There would’ve been no way for him to know how to keep them both alive. Especially in the circumstances surrounding them, and the possibility of somebody else, swimming up and knocking her off. So the only way he could assure her survival was to make sure that he stayed where he was, and balanced the board and made sure nobody else got to her. Definitely a brilliant summation of the entirety of everybody on the ship. Displayed brilliantly in the acting.

@@briellejade._ agreed!

Also even if Jack or Rose found a lifeboat, doesn't mean the others would have picked them up.

Right but it is fascinating that because Rose’s jacket was made of Wool, it still kept her from losing body heat even when soaked

Thank you. The Jack & Rose story was a pointless story that had NO BEARING on the actual true story. The thousands of REAL people who died, froze, drowned, or were thrown around the ship like a rag doll. He showed the story albeit with the goofy and corny love story added, but aside from that he did do a spectacular job on this film.

I completely agree!! I wish there was a way to just get the Jack and Rose parts out of the film and just have the Titanic parts in it!

That Takes All The Romance Out Of It! Without Jack And Rose The Movie Would Be Forgotten! Everyone Remembers The Titanic Film For It's Iconic " I'm Flying" Scene.

​@@ProudBostonian but plenty of those films already exist: they're documentaries. This is just a different type of film, and that's ok.

The love story was bs and pointless. It should have been about a normal survivor story. Maybe a man’s, since it would be harder for them to survive.

Well he knows its not exactly how it sank in the movie

He has always tried to figure out everything the titanic offers as far as stories go. It’s a fascinating thing to watch him talk about ANYTHING related to the ship. He wants the knowledge about the sinking and how the night went, almost like he wants the stories that can’t be told but he wants to know them.

The scariest part is unlike the movie, it was a moonless night with nothing but the stars to light the water. Once the lights went out it was basically pitch black. Nothing but creaks and screams to be heard. The people on the boats go from hearing screams and splashing to an hour later not hearing any noise because everyone was either dead or dying and couldn’t move from being frozen and no blood circulation to the vital organs. The lifeboats waited too long to go back, it took them almost 2 hours to float back and look for survivors.

More could’ve been saved. Hundreds more actually. There was so much room left on those lifeboats.

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@@hildagranados5623 This is true, but we have to remember that we're looking back on this disaster with full hindsight, and as the saying goes, hindsight really is 20/20. But before the Titanic disaster, there had never been a shipwreck of this magnitude, with these conditions, playing out just beyond the threshold of survivability. Plus, there was a real concern about the weight of the lifeboats, whether or not they could hold all of the weight. With every factor that we know now, versus what they didn't know back then, Monday morning quarterbacking things isn't realistic, in this case. Feasible? Yes, but again, the knowledge of the crew is limited to 1912 standards, not 2023 standards.

It's why I always laugh when people talk about how the "Avatar" movies are superior to "Titanic". Whenever people talk about "Avatar", it's always about the box office and nothing more. When it comes to "Titanic", it's a quarter century later and people STILL won't shut up about whether they could have fit on the board to the point that Cameron showed how impossible it was, even with glimmers of hope.

@@AngelofMusic04 It’s also possible to love both without denigrating the other.

@@AngelofMusic04 T2 is my favorite by Cameron

Mejor pelicula de Todo el tiempo!!

still never seen ts

You do realize he used a lot of CG.

@KaraOfTheSea he used SOME CGI. Cameron legit built to near scale models of the ship. For what he couldn't build he created via cgi. He, along with Christopher Nolan, knows how to blend the two masterfully

@AceCoordinatorRibotto 👍. It was pretty good for the time. Rewatching it now in HD, you can reeeally notice the CGI. But when it was still SD, it was really seamless. It is also crazy that the flooding of the sets were all practical effects.

@KaraOfTheSea I dunno I'm still pretty impressed, and it is hard to tell the cgi unless you REALLY know what to look for. Like i didn't even know entire sections of the ship could be removed until i saw a video from Oceanliner Designs. To me, that's part of why this film holds up so well.

@AceCoordinatorRibotto Oh! Don't get me wrong it is still really impressive! The only time it is distractingly noticeable is when the ship is leaving the dock. (The people look goofy, but the background still looks really pretty)

26:30 why couldnt they have gotten Leo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet back for this documentary for the "floating door" segment, and then just made sure they had fitness coaches weeks before to get them to their 1996-era figures?

@@Defender78You say that like it’s easy. You have to remember that they are 25 years older than they were when they filmed the movie. It was probably much easier to get body doubles then have Leo and Kate morph their bodies back 25 or so years.

Between the frigid temperatures and the two hours spent running up and down the ship, the odds of either of them living long enough to be rescued in real life would have been incredibly slim.

Plus all that time they were in the cold water when she was rescuing jack from his shackles down below and later fleeing from her deranged fiancée. They never got a moment to get dry and into warm clothes and always returned to the very cold air on the decks.

You'd get the biggest shot of adrenaline you'd ever have.

And knock the wind out of you

The Titanic museum in Pigeon Forge has 28 degree water you can stick your hand into. It was the coldest water I’ve ever touched. It’s like the cold goes straight down to your bones. I put my hand in it and I only lasted about ten seconds.

..and the darkness...

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Same! 😊

I was 15 in 1997 and can't believe it's been 25 years.Still One of my favorite movies. James Cameron is a genius!!!

@@amandareynolds2781we are the same age!!

@@AH23323 👍

I was 35 and remember it well too. It was sold out continually for weeks and every time I'd go to see it, which was several times, I would be in a line for a theater that was already going to be sold out before I reached it. It was always at least a 5 hour wait to get into see that movie.

It came out in December 1997 with a soft opening, but word-of-mouth grew an organic hype train the likes of which I haven’t seen since. Titanic absolutely dominated pop culture from 1998 into the new millennium. When Britney Spears referenced the song in her 2000 hit “Oops … I Did It Again,” it still felt current, and not like a 2.5 y/o movie. Books about the Titanic were still at the front of bookstores. In 2000, checkout stands at drugstores were selling mini Titanic keychains and paperback copies of _A Night to Remember_ and the official court transcripts. Electronic stores had VHS and DVD copies right at the front of their stores. The idea of 1500 people dying in a single peacetime event was completely foreign to Americans at the time. By the summer of 2000 Harry Potter mania was in full swing with the release of _Goblet of Fire,_ and that fall the presidential election and subsequent fallout dominated headlines. Titanic mania had largely faded by then, and finally, the national shock and pain of 9/11 meant that people didn’t want to revisit a prior mass casualty event like Titanic for many years. Sorry if I typed an essay, but I thought it would interest you.

@@mikeg8276 No need to be sorry, that brought back lots of memories. I remember EVERYONE talking about it, and specifically referencing how sad the ending was. I remember hearing lots of weeps echoing throughout the very full movie theatre. In the mid-2000's the running joke amongst the younger guys was that it was a chick flick due to the love story. Glad it's shaken that reputation, movie is a masterpiece.

@@mikeg8276 No sir, thank you for this essay.

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Everyone owned a copy on vhs.

Absolutely !!!!

Yes! This should have highlight how many more people would have lived if the lifeboats had a been full or at least close to it!

Me too 😢

correction, the scenes of the ship sinking in the movie is the same time the ship took to sink

Neither of those is correct. Titanic took 2 hours and 40 minutes to sink. The movie is 3 hours and 14 minutes long.

@@jake3988 no. the sinking scenes actually run the length of time of the sinking

@@Whygodwhy12 No they don't. The ship sinks 2 hours and 40 minutes into the movie, not that the sinking scenes are as long as the sinking itself. The sinking scenes are maybe less than an hour long, and considering how low the ship was by that point, it all takes place mostly in the last 20 minutes of the sinking.

The running time of Rose telling her story is 2 hours and 40 minutes; the same amount of time the actual Titanic took to sink

Same

Me to

Word is it imploded, but saying prayers for them to be found!

Me too 😢

There's actually a TV movie that came out in 2000 called Britannic, but it's very inaccurate compared to what actually happened during the sinking.

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I’ve always said this in my head when people bring up the topic of Jack fitting on the door. It could’ve been as big as a couch and still not buoyant to sustain them both.

@@chickensoupisapoopieface it wasn’t video recorded. If you have an email address I can send an audio file of what I said. Adapting it for next year to a different audience with KeyNote slides.

There was NO wind that night! Stop it!

​@@Shoprestorationthe It was outside in the middle of the Atlantic ocean. If you've lived near the ocean, you'd know there's always wind and the air temperature was 32 degree. I don't think the air temperature was 32 degrees in that experimental lab. No body was breathing fog.