Titian: Painting the myth of Bacchus and Ariadne

Titian: Painting the myth of Bacchus and Ariadne | National Gallery

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8 жыл бұрын

Curator of 16th-century Italian Paintings, Matthias Wivel talks through Titian's Renaissance masterpiece 'Bacchus and Ariadne', a work inspired by Ovid's Classical poem.
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@glassarthouse 2 жыл бұрын

This man has the longest necktie in the history of museum curation.

@jasonmason2471 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe he's compensating

@MarianMurphy-rz8ej Ай бұрын

A nightmare when exiting car wand elevator doors!

@sharpartstudio 11 ай бұрын

That frame deserves its own lecture.

@gpxavier 10 ай бұрын

An absolutely wonderful talk on a magnificent painting! So informative, and the enthusiasm of the speaker is infectious. Thank you for making these talks available!

@aatt3209 4 жыл бұрын

I cannot agree more with M. Wivel, that capturing the moment, when two figures fall in love at the first sight, was beautifully depicted by Titian - the startledness, the astonishment, and the hazard of forgetting oneself.

@mx1ka_t1 9 ай бұрын

😊

@furdiebant 8 жыл бұрын

Due to Titian's immense productivity we are blessed with some wonderful paintings across his entire life and range at the Gallery.

@doga3641 2 ай бұрын

Thank you to this man, I love walking around National Gallery and listening to his lectures

@sherrylhenning5630 4 жыл бұрын

Why am I SO appreciative of these videos? My art education is so lacking that I had no idea that Titian was NOT pronounced with 2 hard T's and that the second T is soft like in Morticia from the Adams Family. Thank you so very much for making all of this accessible to people like me! Thank you!

@chandlerbattaile5981 2 жыл бұрын

I don't think I would have admitted that I thought Titian's name was pronounced that way. But hey - you do you.

@anahissb 2 жыл бұрын

I've known titian all My life as 'tiziano' so i had no idea until now! Hahaha

@gauriblomeyer1835 Жыл бұрын

This is the English way of pronunciation Italian as well Latin words. Each country varies in writing and pronunciation the name of this genius of painting. In the German language he is written Tizian, both t and z are pronounced very hard.

@nw9209 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you National Gallery and Matthias so much for the opportunity to learn about this beautiful work! Titian is a genius!

@russellturburville8376 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent presentation and Matthias' enthusiasm comes through and adds to the appreciation of the picture wonderfully.

@bendiatho 3 жыл бұрын

Great talk -- I really love Titian, and I learned a lot here. Very appreciative to the National Gallery to make these videos.

@loredanan7975 8 жыл бұрын

great talk! wonderful to hear these insights first hand from the curator himself!

@montsesobraldorado5910 7 жыл бұрын

Loredana Coscotin I totally agree :)

@suellen669 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent! I love these talks. If ones are filmed in the future, I hope, as someone else indicates below, that the camera will spend more time focusing on the painting, including close ups of the painting, while we hear commentary in the background. Thank you for this series!

@Ax18NY 3 жыл бұрын

Titian is my favourite painter. 💙

@stellab598 2 жыл бұрын

I wished the photographer kept the camera on the painting instead of the speaker when he mentioned the specific details or significant parts of the painting.

@bifeldman 2 жыл бұрын

Possibly my favorite painting on this planet. How I wish this had been a finer discussion.

@annelambert9876 4 жыл бұрын

Very informative. Curator’s enthusiasm so evident! great to have these short films while the Gallery is closed

@vawalters318 7 жыл бұрын

LOVE Titian and love this series

@zhanghe01 7 жыл бұрын

Love this painting. Thanks for this informative talk.

@debbiecawley7046 5 ай бұрын

Wonderful! Enjoyed this so much! Loved his passion and knowledge of this painting, one of my favourites in the Gallery!

@mizofan 5 жыл бұрын

thanks- astounding painting by the magnificent artist

@fionaboult7303 8 жыл бұрын

Fabulous thank you but WHY is the camera mostly on the SPEAKER and not the painting????!!!!

@arachnid3297 3 жыл бұрын

Because he is speaking.

@enthusedtosing9655 2 жыл бұрын

Because you have to go to the museum

@michealcurrie8272 2 жыл бұрын

I agree to see the brush strokes are just as important. As it is not always possible for people to visit the museum. The speaker is excellent although the subject is of priority.

@MakeTheStand 7 жыл бұрын

I wish the camera man would actually show us the painting instead of follow the speaker.

@charlesrae3793 4 жыл бұрын

What I did was open another tab and google the painting in images, and looked at it there as I listened to the lecture.

@queenofmoderation7668 6 жыл бұрын

Can't wait to visit this gallery.

@SimonSozzi7258 3 жыл бұрын

OMG! It's huge! I love it ❤👏

@clairepoole7029 4 жыл бұрын

Fantastic.

@rosavella7548 8 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. Thanks.

@johnnyrockets10 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing talk

@nadiafilatoff5940 8 жыл бұрын

Très belle analyse d'un superbe chef-d'oeuvre !

@2slaza250 4 жыл бұрын

Amazing informative talk, vids like this are what makes You Tube great. The speakers tie is ridiculously long though.

@MariannaK94 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for shearing.

@rickh3714 3 жыл бұрын

It's not Jason and the Argonauts. Bacchus and Ariadne. Different myth. 🌟🐏🌟

@johncastle8254 7 жыл бұрын

Amazing colour in painting ,I always thought he was flying not jumping , like he had winged feet and to me she is putting her hand up to show that the group are standing in front of a painted background like in a theatre ,even the cheater seems to be standing in front of a reflection .

@lurch8111 5 жыл бұрын

I love this painting, went to see it today. I am confused by one thing: Theseus' sails seem to be white? Didn't he forget to change them from black and that is why his father Aegeus threw himself off a cliff?

@barbarajohnson1442 5 жыл бұрын

Agreed, the lectures are wonderful, but more voice alone with focus on the painting would be helpful. Wonderful informative engaging, just would like to be able to digest the paintings along with the informative descriptions.

@vgonsalez 4 жыл бұрын

Why is it to me that Ariadne's pose means she is scared (like "suddenly all this crowd? Where did they came from?" or she thought he would fall over her literally) and not turning around?

@lenawarelius4195 2 жыл бұрын

👏👏👏

@SimonSozzi7258 3 жыл бұрын

14:22 😅 I'm sorry but, he's giving himself an award right there! Well deserved. Bravo! 👏👏👏💙 ...Or is that an Urn!? 😳🤔

@evangelist6277 2 жыл бұрын

One of my favorite presenters because he doesn't use notes and is fluid with the history and subject matter, he seemed to have trouble expressing himself here but an interesting talk none the less

@Piribari 3 жыл бұрын

Muy buen comentario, tan sólo, cómo sabe si fue Tiziano quién eligió los temas para las Poesías encargo de Felipe II? Eso es opinión suya personal, no lo sabemos a ciencia cierta. En cualquier caso me ha parecido una magnifica exposición. Muchas gracias

@roniquebreauxjordan1302 3 жыл бұрын

Renaissance 500 years🎨🌏

@stoopidknight4336 5 жыл бұрын

i came here for an assignment but goddamn that was good

@MartianRap 7 жыл бұрын

Why doesnt the cameraman show us the painting in the maintime?

@electrum310 Жыл бұрын

The bronze vessel on the yellow sheet is intriguing, what does it mean ?

@kumaridesilva3992 9 ай бұрын

It's got the signature of the painter on it. . . I think since Bacchus is the god of wine it's something to drink alcohol out of, or maybe to store alcohol.

@MaioParlato 2 жыл бұрын

*there's always a Roman sarcophagus!*

@sarahy4553 4 жыл бұрын

13:20 when you drink, when you party, when you ... yeah ahem.

@Sunlives 4 жыл бұрын

lol, right?

@xyzllii 5 жыл бұрын

Camera should stay with painting a lot more.

@tahiragibson6407 4 жыл бұрын

xyzllii -why don’t you whingers just GOGGLE it?

@RichMitch 4 жыл бұрын

*mr wivel*

@audreydaleski1067 2 жыл бұрын

Does this happen real life.

@angelmorales2241 4 жыл бұрын

Mire ha mi expongo algo sobre hoyente y Pintor claro ke los cliente o gente de mira las pintura es todo un mismo cosa

@vineethnv4420 4 жыл бұрын

us or uk ??

@guppy0112 3 жыл бұрын

@vaneese85 6 жыл бұрын

WGU humanities

@64Alvis 2 жыл бұрын

I find the figure inspired by the Laocoon statue to be jarring. If you are drunk you might well step on a snake, but this is the largest figure in the painting and, while it works compositionally, I feel that thematically it doesn’t; it’s as if the artist is being a bit self-indulgent and saying “look what I know”.

@pratravla7420 4 жыл бұрын

Is anybody a kid watching this

@noway9081 Жыл бұрын

Honestly, any explanation of the meeting of Dionysus and Ariadne must include Prince's "When Doves Cry" playing in the background. The lyrics basically tell the story😅

@MTMF.london 4 жыл бұрын

I wished the video concentrated more on the painting rather than on the curator.

@markoliver5161 3 жыл бұрын

I have a copy of this painting

@rickh3714 3 жыл бұрын

No. You have the original. The National Gallery has the fake. Everyone knows it was painted by Van Meegeren in 1942. Better purchase 300 million Pounds worth of old master insurance. Send your cash to Fulbourne Avery Minit Insurance scheme, Box 3.1415 Sky St, Lagos...

@audreydaleski1067 2 жыл бұрын

If she must die for love why would a God let it happen, the love.

@michaeljohnangel6359 4 жыл бұрын

I hate it when experts talk about things that they don't know how to do. This guy obviously doesn't know how to paint; detail is easy, it's keeping the whole under control that is hard. Titian was brilliant at that: holding the dominant, supporting it with sub-dominants and interweaving all that with tertiary elements. The painting's flow-through lines are breathtaking, as is the overall gesture. Add to that its brilliant value scheme, onto which the maestro has hung a complimentary hue scheme (orange, red-orange, yellow orange and blue).

@FF-so3su 2 жыл бұрын

"Wibble" he has taken the pencils out of his nostrils and his underpants from his head but he still says; wibble🤣😅

@vineethnv4420 4 жыл бұрын

which english is he talking.??

@Sunlives 4 жыл бұрын

The English of a drunkard

@carlabroderick5508 3 жыл бұрын

Lecturer could improve by listening to his own talk. He speaks like a machine gun, punching the phrases after frequent pauses. Don’t want to be mean in the comment section but makes me so nervous I want to abandon the talk. Content appreciated though.

@mrcsanselmo 7 жыл бұрын

someone learned to do the tie's knot with Trump....

@jolesliewhitten6545 2 жыл бұрын

Please let us see the PAINTING-not the speaker.

@Eudaimonia88 4 жыл бұрын

Great talk, but the presenter's palpable nervous energy makes me feel uncomfortable.

@Sunlives 4 жыл бұрын

Yep!

@syddc 3 жыл бұрын

I thought it was just me

@rovshansobirib5793 3 жыл бұрын

qadmiy rasim bor

@johannbrandstatter7419 4 жыл бұрын

Looking at the picture, the bloke who is semi-aerially approaching Ariadne in his overenthusiastic manner, will soon be stepping into a bit of a void. Following through, he will land right on his face... Yes, it's a Titian, but, not even he is above the law of physics.

@janegarner6739 2 жыл бұрын

So relieved to see your comments re the awkward pose of Bacchus! Since I first saw this painting reproduced in an art history text many years ago (as an art & philosophy major), I've been surprised at how Bacchus is presented & further surprised that no one ever mentions this. The Bacchus figure is contorted in an odd pose that is usually interpreted as a naturalistic presentation, as explained by the curator here as expressing Bacchus's complex emotions of instantaneous love for Ariadne as he leaps from his chariot. Although Bacchus is a god & is therefore not confined by physical limits of anatomy, as are mere mortals, he is painted in human form here (the gods as a rule could shift their form to suit the occasion) but his leaping twisting body looks impossible for a human. Maybe a human could somehow manage to imitate this pose but I think it would be very difficult. I'm not sure the pose could be imitated but if so, it would be at best awkward. But of course Bacchus is not limited by human anatomy, nor is he limited by gravity or other such laws, but even so, this figure looks as if he's in danger of falling on his head. To me, he has always looked awkward, off balance, more like a human attempting a difficult leap than like a god who is not bound by physical limitations. Whatever the Bacchus figure is supposed to be doing, however unlimited he is by human anatomy & physical laws affecting mortals, he looks uncomfortably twisted & ungraceful. I wonder what Titian intended to suggest. Whatever he intended, I don't think he meant to suggest the awkwardness I see, but I don't think the usual remarks (as by the curator in this video) explain the artist's intent either. The painting caught my attention as a student partly because of the strangeness of the Bacchus figure. It's certainly a masterpiece & has depths that would take a lifetime to study. But why go denying the oddness of Bacchus's pose? To say that Bacchus was a god & therefore not limited by physical concerns of anatomy & laws--this doesn't explain why Titian painted such a twisted figure in an otherwise very balanced work. (Was it an influence of the rising mannerist movement that influenced his depiction of Bacchus? Who knows.)

@risk5riskmks93 Жыл бұрын

Bacchus is a god. He’ll be fine.

@ronoldomahamid8702 6 жыл бұрын

We can't see any thehg it's very bad

@ORMA1 5 жыл бұрын

TIZIANO, not Titian.... You'd like if we, in Italy, should call your president TRUMPO, GEFFERSONIO, BUSCIO, RUSVELTO, CHENNEDI, GIONSON??? (Or Matthias Wievel= Matteo Vivello??)

@willx9352 4 жыл бұрын

We wouldn’t care - and don’t you live in Italia not Italy!

@dmmw125 4 жыл бұрын

This isn't the American National Gallery.

@martynnotman3467 3 жыл бұрын

This is in London so we really couldn't care less

@ORMA1 3 жыл бұрын

@@martynnotman3467 sure, Martyn, you're right : we should know our chickens

@gabsie7224 2 жыл бұрын

Actually I agree. A Turner's painting doesn't become 'by Turnero' when it's in Italy. So the excuse 'this is in London' is laughable. Durer, Velazquez do not get anglicized for es. Raffaello and Tiziano do, for some reason. Anglophones are often quite self-centered when it comes to language, but these painters are not English. The painting is by Tiziano Vecellio.

@noelgallagher4204 4 жыл бұрын

Great to get some information and to see the painting, but the curator is not a natural communicator and overall detracts more than he adds.

@johnnyrockets10 3 жыл бұрын

I loved his communication style and scandi accent

@gabsie7224 2 жыл бұрын

Michelangelo didn't deliver? He had a long and prestigious career, he left amazing masterpieces, some quite big and which took time and "sometimes he didn't deliver?: Because he did not make a thousand works on top.of what he already did? And he is not even my favourite. Ok, sir.

@crake345 2 жыл бұрын

He meant that Michelangelo took on a lot of commissions that he never completed.

@chandlerbattaile5981 2 жыл бұрын

Wivel wears a necktie in the style of Donald Trump

@anthonyochocki6535 2 жыл бұрын

Informative and somewhat enjoyable; but, this Lecturer is a nervous 'visual distraction'...nearly an annoyance...AND this masterpiece needs a 'cleaning and restoration'....just looks poorly maintained....sad for the public...