80k for a scat is .....i dont think there is a word to describe how ridiculous that is

Car dealers aren't particularly good investment advisors.

You buy those cars to enjoy them, not as an investment.... it's a depreciating asset

New Dodge cars are not an investment, Nobody want's to pay that kind of money for those cars.

The car was only worth 48k when he bought it

Must suck to have more money than brains!!

I laughed nearly 5 mins thinking of how dodge tricked you guys with those gimmicks. lol collectibles are usually rare and have something that makes them stand out. Those cars were produced for nearly 10 years in mass without any updates. With literally nothing but theft and a couple fast and the furious appearances. Lol

Anyone who believed back then that these cars were a good investment, sorry but that was very dumb idea.

Shame on him for paying 80K. He's supposed to be a smart guy.

Another customer that will never again buy a Chrysler/Dodge/Ram product. Well done, Stellantis.

That's not just a slap in the face, that's a kick in the balls on top!! The Scats will never be an investment. They will hold more than RTs but the Hellcats will hold a lot better. They will not be worth more than sticker for a couple decades though.

I think he should keep the car, rather than take a hit like that.

80k and no supercharger! Wow

Mama said life is like a box of condoms, you never know if it will probably break..last call is last joke..

Can you imagine if that person is making payments on that 80K?

I don't think anyone will get sued, I think this is just gonna cause more repos when folks realize they ain't worth half of what your paying

For years there were two rules to live by with new cars. 1-A new car is a terrible investment. 2-That thing is going to lose half its value when you drive off the dealer lot. This oddity of people buying new cars and flipping them for more money 6 months later should never happen in normal times.

I don’t blame dealerships! I blame the customers because they can’t steal anything without us buying it! However, you have a lot of people with money and no brains. You can’t get mad at dealerships!

That is one of the worst lowballs I've seen. Something isn't adding up.....

Got to admit, dodge lovers are loyal. These cars have looked the same for so many years, I can't even remember, you'll get excited over 4 fender flares and a scoop. This to me, is total devotion. I'm not here trying to put dodge down, I'm not. There are so many fans. My problem, they want alot of money, for something I see, everytime I turn my head, there's a challenger, there's a charger. They basically ask corvette prices, and to me, I prefer a full package. But one thing is for sure, straight line, by a dodge.

That depreciation is actually typical on a new car. Especially these really late model software cars loaded with spy devices, driver interference systems, and WiFi. NO late model is going to hold it's value. If he had bought a '70-'74 Challenger, it would still be worth at least as much as he paid for it. That's also where the insurance issues come up. Had that car been totaled in an accident, what the stealer dealer offered him for it is probably what an insurance company would have offered him for it. These things simply have no lasting value, and unlike '70s and earlier cars that also depreciated when new, the new ones will likely never have any value. People are simply not going to invest a large amount of money in a computer. To have value, something must be desirable, and these things aren't. Now that he has thrown his money away on it, he would be better off just keeping it and driving it for as long as he can keep it going. He now has a $32,000 car, and it will continue to depreciate. But so will ANY new vehicle he could trade it in on, and the depreciation would start from the top again.

80 k for a dodge 😂😂😂😂

“Stupid is as Stupid does…”

Everyone should have seen this coming all dodge Chrysler products no matter the model has always depreciated quicker than other brands, even more so now since Stellantis has raised msrps for the same Ole product 35-50 percent in last 5 years, my new ram lost 18,500 I'm the first 6 months, now I'm stuck with the POS for full term 😢

Time to pull out that Gold Meguiars Shampoo and wash your investment while saying it's going back up soon. 😅

That's crazy. My wife just turned in her 22 Widebody Scatpack Charger with 25k miles on it and just got $50k 3 weeks ago for trade in. She only paid $55k brand new. This is a sick depreciation.

I bought a 'Last Call' Charger (widebody -- not a specialty car, though). I did not buy it as an investment, but as a daily. Still lovin' it. 😁

Scat = “poop”…it’s right in the car title

You can thank your attorney general for not enforcing consumer protections on price gouging, bait and switch pricing advertisements, misleading or deceptive tactics (“it’s an investment!”). The state is the real culprit for legalizing white collar fraud.

Where is this person located? I literally just got an offer of $35k for my 2021 Widebody 6 Spd Manual Challenger Scatpack with 35k miles. I'm in southern NC and it was a dealer offer. Although I didn't think my vehicle was an investment. I'm cheap, no new car I can afford is an investment. An investment is a 1967 Corvette 427 especially if it is an L88.

Anybody who thought that the “Last Calls” were anything but overhyped garbage has rocks for brains 🧠. 😂😂😂😂😂

Thanks for all the information you bring us. It is appreciated. See you on channel 2.

Your analysis is spot on. All those folks that bought these wildly overpriced vehicles blows my mind. Since when has a domestic vehicle been worth 100k? Dodge pulled the wool over a bunch of folks heads with those Chargers, Scat Packs, etc. They’re piling up in the repo yards and there’s tons of them in the junk yard after being wrecked

maybe they were thinking to take it to a Barrett Jackson auction in twenty years and triple their money.

“Investment” 😂😂😂

I lost 19k in 3 months on my last call widebody charger in sublime green. I bought it 4/25/23 and traded it in on 8/6/23 on a ZL1. Sticker prices was 63,900 and the sale price was 69,999. I didn’t screwed as bad as others but what the dealers did is criminal at this point.

It didnt lose 40k in value... it was marked up by a dealer... not the same thing. My ordered for me, custom built, wb last call was 60k, fully loaded, and is still worth 53k, id only private sell, fuck dealers. So a 7k or 11% loss, is pretty low honestly, during pre covid times, 15 to 20 percent first year, hell as soon as you sign is and was pretty normal.

I think many of us saw this coming

No snack pack worth 80k

Most of the 'new' last call cars have been used in loaner fleets at this point and have 500-700 miles on them. You don't find out unless you call and ask. The ads online are usually wrong mileage. So basically a used car anyway.

I bought a fully loaded 2010 SRT8 in plum crazy with a manual for 15K still at 22k miles still have yet to see one sell for cheaper give it’s spec

As usual, regular people getting screwed and big guys like Stellantis getting richer and not taking any responsibility. Great video

Scat Packs were never worth more than 40k. I remember back in 2015, when the Scatty first went into production, you can literally get one for 34k. This is what Stellantis gets for trying to fix what was never broken!

Glad I got a 2017 challenger scat pack shaker for $40k two years ago it had 42k miles on it. Now it has 53k miles on it cuz, I drive it to work only everyday. That sucks for that guy. What a punch in the gut.

They woudo try to sale is for 50-60k smh I’m glad I didn’t go for that “last call” bs

I traded an '04 Viper for my 23 SC T/A. I never considered the Viper an investment. Very few cars are investments and to think something like a Last Call would be is a little silly. I bought mine bc I love it and it's a blast to drive. It's an investment in my mental health lol!

"Honey can i buy N $80k scat?" "No" "bUt iTs An inVesTmeNt" 🥴

That's crazy I have seen Swinger editions for 60K. Out of all the special edition cars the Super Bee and the Demon 170 were unique builds.

I bought my swinger charger in march. It had been on there lot since last August. Payed 7k under sticker with 21 miles on it. I’m up side down all most 11k.😡

This is great news for people like me that love to buy on the back end of the initial depreciation.

I am a Ford guy myself. Needed to get a new set of rotors for my 2012 Ford fusion. Walked into the dealer to pick them up and saw a brand spanking new 2024 Bronco raptor in the showroom. They only want $85,000 for it. They can keep it.

How is a mass produced car an investment? I can’t drive 5 minutes without seeing 1 or 2. They all look the same hellcat, scat pack, or demon. Nothing special. They are cool cars but it’s no Ferrari.

I drive a Tacoma V-6 manual transmission, doubt I'll be having this happen but u never kno now days

Interest rates are too high and no factory rebates. I bought my 2020 wb charger for 44k I got 8k off back 4 years ago. I sold it abt a year later for 51k.

If they say "investment", the consumer should be able to sue.

Just picked up a last call loaded scat wb for 50k, did i get a good deal?

Whoa, TK! I spit my corn all over the place! 🤣🤣🤣

I traded in my '18 Challenger (V6) to get a 2023 Frontier PRO-4X. The Challenger (My daily driver as I have an '02 Silverado I use for work) had poor build quality, The Upper Valve train was ticking away, even at only 34K miles and the warranty was set to expire. After all the crap with Mopar KILLING Charger and Challenger, as well as the diminishing build quality, I wanted out. Dodge offered me 18K for my car. I got 28K in trade in from Nissan. I only owed 11K so I had a HUGE chunk of change for my truck! I guess I was lucky when I got out. I miss my hornet yellow coupe...but DAMN this Nissan is soooo good!

I hope OCM keeps his. His car is gorgeous!

I am curious to know what they would price it for if he had traded.

Thanks for your insight and research.

OC Motivater, Gary has bad joo Joo That's why his car,23 swinger is broken.Not to mention that's the cheapest car. Why he bought it? Couldn't tell you.That is what happens when you become a member of the Brotherhood and you flake out. Maybe like his dedication to Dodge. I my drive my fleet daily,4 last calls and my guy superstock jailbreak. All drive and run fine. Good luck out there fellow enthusiasts. Peace and love

Great looking Hot Wheels T-shirt lol. I took a $7k hit on my 2022 Challenger GT 2 weeks ago. The dealership was trying to nail me for $10k being upside down when I bought GMC. Anyone who has bought in 22 or 23 is pretty much screwed

W.C. Fields said it best . There is a sucker born every minute

I bought my Ram I think at the right time. 2021 Ram 2500 Diesel Bighorn and I paid more even then, but far better than after 2021. Now when I go to the dealer they ask if I ready to trade. I just laugh and say they can’t afford my truck. You ought to see the look on their faces.

These cars were never meant to go up in value. Production numbers are WAY too high. Its not just dodge tho. All of these EV owners are having the same issue.

Scat - (noun) the excrement of a wild animal

Everyone forgets about the Luxery Tax. He probably only paid in the 60's but got slammed with all the extra fees. Kinda like 30% tax on Marijuana.

Paying 80 thousand for a Dodge anything over buying a Chevy Corvette is mind blowing. I have a 87 SS Monte Carlo I will keep investing into until I purchase my first Corvette at reasonable price.

So glad I didn't get a Last Call challenger. Way too many red flags. I settled on a 2024 Dark Horse jet black. And no I am not on the whole "its an investment" thought process. Its a depreciative asset, nothing more but I do love driving it. So glad I watched TKs vids and avoided the Last Call BS.

My 2016 SRT392 is holding value very well. Bought it new for about $51k. Still worth $30k 8 years later. So far that is great value retention.

Cars aren't a wise investment. I have a '65 Chevy Impala that I restored. I have more invested than it's worth, but it makes me happy. That's what cars do.

New subscriber especially because of ya views of what happens a couple days ago

Car show guy: “ yeah, this was one of 10,000 built on a Friday during second shift, with this specific paint code and interior color.” “Rumor has it that only 9,930 are still on the road today.” It’s a mass produced vehicle. Just drive it and enjoy. I’ve got several classics and muscle cars. I drive them all cause that’s what they are built to do. What makes it more fun is that my kids come along too, and those are the true one offs

In 2010 I bought a Denali truck new for 60k that’s still what highest price stuff should cost can’t believe people falling for this bs.

The rental I had last month charger had last calltag under the hood

They are lowballing on all their vehicles. I’m stuck in my 2020 Ram 1500 classic unless I pay 20k to get out of it.

Unfortunately that’s all vehicles now my 9 month old Silverado fully loaded is worth a little more than half what I paid for it. Auto market is crashing

Bought 19 Redeye in late 19 for 69,700.. sold it for a ZL1 in April of 2022.. Got $71k for the Redeye with 18k miles, I only had to come out of pocket under $3k for the trade after tax ect.. After 3 years of beating the shit out of that car.. It just got boring to drive, as neither is my daily, but the HC RE is powerful, but you get used to it and it just looks like regular traffic and doesn't feel special.. The Zl1 on the other hand feels like a race car, handles like its on rails, and is 100% more fun for a weekend ripper.. After you take all your friends and family on a ride in a HC, it just feels like a big gas & tire destroying normal car..

Banks are in on it also. How are these banks approving these outrageous loans? I still have my 2012 SRT8 and love it.

The buyer side of market always controls used car prices. You can't buy a new car and in 2-3 years demand collector car prices. You have to wait about 20-25 years.

Hold your head up, '23 Sublime Green SPWB6SP Swinger just sold on Mecum for $83.000.00 plus fees last week, brand new or 14mi.

I went to enterprise today and rented a suburban. There was several jeep wagoneers there to be rented. The lady there said they were having problems with them. I told her with all the electrical problems, no way would i ever rent one.

This is definitely my favorite video u made wow i was thinking around yhise numbers 80 to 30 ,106 to 60 grand for wagoneer, yep sounds about right

They charge Jaguar/Land Rover prices for what should be fun cars for middle class enthusiasts. Yet I hear their service is far below that of Jaguar/Land Rover dealers. And now resell value is dropping like a lead zeppelin, and quality is crap! Smh.

I would never go to that dealership again.

All those "Special Edition" Scats were nothing but a sticker package. I get that they were considered limited and therefore worth a markup but not 81k. I paid near MSRP on my loaded 2022 Scat and I knew going in that it would depreciate but I bought it to drive, not become a garage queen. Tough luck, fellas.

Yup beeen watching depreciation values for years now. My vehicles have lost over half their value throughout the years. I tried to trade in my vehicles all they wanted to offer was a kick in the ballls for both my vehicles and drove off the lot with my investments i already own, no payments, and the dealers are crooks. Those kick the the balls they gave me will assured i wont buy new unless i win some big money because the new vehicles aint worth what they wanna charge. Ive walked out of more dealerships then i can count.

Wide body scat pack swinger as optioned on the dodge website is 67,930. Between the markup, doc fees and tax I can see how the owner is so underwater

Why would any adult believe any new car will appreciate in value? I had not purchased a preowned car since the 70’s. I wanted a Jeep Wrangler just to have fun with it. I shopped new Wranglers decided they were grossly overpriced. I found a preowned Wrangler in like new condition inside and out. Previous original owner was 58 years old. I bought it and saved approximately $23,000 verses buying the same trim level Wrangler new.

That's crazy, got a 2015 jku I bought for 30k, 9 years later I got a quote for 15k

I just picked up a used las call RT Plus, handling package, HK stereo, and more with 2500 miles for 40% off the MSRP. Looks like the one in TK's intro, but not a scat. Dealer near me has a WB Scat just like the one described for $50k. Low mileage used is where it's at peeps.

No way! If I can not make money from my investments. No way, would I spend that kind of money.

Gotta be a maniac to pay anything over 45k for a WB scat and that’s both charger and challenger.

I got an 18 srt with 5000 miles for 40k. Had for 2 years now. Worth every penny. But I bought mine to actually drive it I have no intention of trying to make an investment or profit of this thing. It's a car. And all cars are nothing but money pits.

Actual wholesale dealer money is around 49-50K this week... and retail is about 55-57K this week....

The rental inventory of Stellantis products is being affected by recalls and repair issues.

Stupid is as stupid does… A fool and his money are soon parted… I could keep going on but I think you get the point. I'm sure he's a nice guy but that dealer saw this guy coming a mile away and he allowed them to take advantage of him.

So now we're suing dealers because you paid some ridiculous markup for a wide body, last call, Challenger ScatPack that's really a poorly made Challenger? If you folks bought these thinking they were an investment you were not thinking clearly. TK feels sorry for the guy? Why? The depreciation value is based on the MSRP not the markup sale price of $81k. He was in the hole as soon as he signed the paperwork. Now he wants to trade it in after 8 months. You would lose money on any car even if you paid MSRP after 8 months. I agree this dealer is low balling the guy something awful, but the owner should have used some common sense prior to making the purchase. The only smart move would be to fix the car and keep it.

I wonder what ridiculous amount they would offer us for our 2021 Challenger R/T Scat Pack Widebody Shaker that MSRP $60,519. Which happens to be a one of one with specific optional equipment in the assembly sequenced in 2021. Which could possibly make it more valuable in 70 years when we are no longer around. Our local credit union appraised it for $48,000 after getting a $24,000 loan from the equity. I don’t even think they would give someone MSRP much less invoice after they’ve paid $10,000 or $20,000 above MSRP. Even if someone’s vehicle has less than 2500 miles. Pretty much anyone that paid above MSRP is upside down.